Ever since I rooted my fiances and my phone his battery life is so much better then mine.
Mine right now is at 92% and has 17hrs 30mins
His is at 88% and has 24hrs 48mins.
Is there any way that I can improve mine without having to buy a new battery?
We are both using kaos v39.
Thank you for any help.
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Have you tried calibrating the battery?
Look here for details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816618
labnjab said:
Ever since I rooted my fiances and my phone his battery life is so much better then mine.
Mine right now is at 92% and has 17hrs 30mins
His is at 88% and has 24hrs 48mins.
Is there any way that I can improve mine without having to buy a new battery?
We are both using kaos v39.
Thank you for any help.
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The battery % also isn't necessary accurate.
The phone uses a calculation of voltage (as closely as it can), temperature, and activity, to determine the %. Largely, the figure is just based on voltage.
Sometimes, when your phone is charging, it can say 83%, but be at a solid 4200mV (4.2 volts). It's probably not going to charge any further. If you power the phone off, the light will probably turn green (showing you that it's charged). Then if you boot it back up, the battery % might read 100%.
Is it 83%? Is it 100%? Clearly, in the 2 minutes it took you to turn your phone off and on, it didn't gain 17% battery.
The difference between 88% and 92% could be temperature, voltage of the particular battery at the moment, who just used their phone more in the past 2 minutes before checking, and (due to all the variables) practically 'dumb luck'.
What you really will see is if you let them go for a very very long time (until they get to 0% and auto-shut off), you'll find that whoever had their screen on more often (maybe whoever does more texting), or whoever has more 3g internet doing things in the background (if one of you has an email app that checks email every 10+ minutes, keeping the phone awake, and moving data), or whoever works in a workplace with worse reception (that will eat battery very quickly, as the phone uses battery to get 'louder' so that the cell phone tower can 'see' it), will have their phone hit 0% more quickly.
The difference between 88% and 92% may actually be nothing. It's just your phone's 'guess' at how much battery is left. His phone's 'guess' is different, because the variables going into the calculation are totally different for a handful of minor reasons.
I wouldn't sweat it.
If yours hits 10% when his is still at 40 or 50%, with similar usage, yeah, that's something to pay attention to.
But the battery % isn't THAT accurate, to even sweat 4%.
I promise.
labnjab said:
Ever since I rooted my fiances and my phone his battery life is so much better then mine.
Mine right now is at 92% and has 17hrs 30mins
His is at 88% and has 24hrs 48mins.
Is there any way that I can improve mine without having to buy a new battery?
We are both using kaos v39.
Thank you for any help.
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Alot of widgets can also change your battery life as well. Especially things like Facebook, location based weather, latitude, etc. Ones that are always updating and using data or gps.
pkopalek said:
The battery % also isn't necessary accurate.
The phone uses a calculation of voltage (as closely as it can), temperature, and activity, to determine the %. Largely, the figure is just based on voltage.
Sometimes, when your phone is charging, it can say 83%, but be at a solid 4200mV (4.2 volts). It's probably not going to charge any further. If you power the phone off, the light will probably turn green (showing you that it's charged). Then if you boot it back up, the battery % might read 100%.
Is it 83%? Is it 100%? Clearly, in the 2 minutes it took you to turn your phone off and on, it didn't gain 17% battery.
The difference between 88% and 92% could be temperature, voltage of the particular battery at the moment, who just used their phone more in the past 2 minutes before checking, and (due to all the variables) practically 'dumb luck'.
What you really will see is if you let them go for a very very long time (until they get to 0% and auto-shut off), you'll find that whoever had their screen on more often (maybe whoever does more texting), or whoever has more 3g internet doing things in the background (if one of you has an email app that checks email every 10+ minutes, keeping the phone awake, and moving data), or whoever works in a workplace with worse reception (that will eat battery very quickly, as the phone uses battery to get 'louder' so that the cell phone tower can 'see' it), will have their phone hit 0% more quickly.
The difference between 88% and 92% may actually be nothing. It's just your phone's 'guess' at how much battery is left. His phone's 'guess' is different, because the variables going into the calculation are totally different for a handful of minor reasons.
I wouldn't sweat it.
If yours hits 10% when his is still at 40 or 50%, with similar usage, yeah, that's something to pay attention to.
But the battery % isn't THAT accurate, to even sweat 4%.
I promise.
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Thank you that makes me feel a lot better. I was starting to think something was wrong with my phone but your explanation tells me that nothing is wrong. =) Thank you for taking the time and patience to explain it to me. I didnt realize how little it could take to eat the battery down.
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Ok so Here's the deal
When I flash a rom I charge the phone till it hits 100%. I then reset the battery stats and go on about my day. With in a few minutes of being off the charger my battery has now dropped down to about 96 %. I do realize that batteries do not stay at 100% but this is crazy. I've only deep cycled my battery once for fear that it may damage my battery.
I Am using Teamwhiskeys ultra awesome bionix-v rom with ttabals oc kernal. I know I am to expect a slightly more rapid drain but this is crazy. I have even tried to lower the vcore and I slowed down the cpu to 800mhz. It still drains just as fast.
The odd thing to me is If i turn my phone off and let it fully charge to 100 percent reset stats then turn on phone It will show full for a minute then drop down to to 96 or 95 percent.
I personally think my battery is damaged but spare parts shows that it is ok.
So i am rather confused by this .
I know I should probably use the stock kernal but it seems like its just as bad with that.
I have looked at the threads about battery life and I am not expecting it to be amazing just hoping it will be ok!
Tell me what ya think !
mt battery play tricks on me too when my phone doesent see that im lookin at it it shows 90 when i look at it and phone notice it bounces to 85 like it hates me , lol but dont take my words for it P
Spare parts would show that too. I remember when I had my G1 spare parts would tell me it was fine. But a 3 hour full battery doesn't seem fine does it? Id suggest getting it replaced.
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Ill probably nurse it... but I am having major ocd type problems about it.
I cannot stress this part enough, so I'm putting at the top, do not do the following often, as it can have a negative effect on Li batteries if done too much.
You want to try what is known as a bump charge. With your phone off, charge to 100 percent. You will see the green battery icon with "100" on it once it reaches full. Unplug from the charger for a minute, then plug it back in, phone still off, and let it reach 100 again. If you want you can do this a third time, do keep in mind, bump charging too much or with any type of frequency can have negative effects on your battery, but doing it once in a great great while helps with with what you are experiencing.
thanks Br1cK'd and those who replied.
I have tried the bump charging method. I am affraid that my efforts to repair my battery are causing it more harm than good.
ok i just restored bionix v and had it charge to 100 percent
spare parts says
battery level 100
battery scale 100
battery health good
battery voltage says 4243mv
battery temp 30.0
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Ok so Here's the deal
When I flash a rom I charge the phone till it hits 100%. I then reset the battery stats and go on about my day. With in a few minutes of being off the charger my battery has now dropped down to about 96 %. I do realize that batteries do not stay at 100% but this is crazy. I've only deep cycled my battery once for fear that it may damage my battery.
I Am using Teamwhiskeys ultra awesome bionix-v rom with ttabals oc kernal. I know I am to expect a slightly more rapid drain but this is crazy. I have even tried to lower the vcore and I slowed down the cpu to 800mhz. It still drains just as fast.
The odd thing to me is If i turn my phone off and let it fully charge to 100 percent reset stats then turn on phone It will show full for a minute then drop down to to 96 or 95 percent.
I personally think my battery is damaged but spare parts shows that it is ok.
So i am rather confused by this .
I know I should probably use the stock kernal but it seems like its just as bad with that.
I have looked at the threads about battery life and I am not expecting it to be amazing just hoping it will be ok!
Tell me what ya think !
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There is one thing you are messing up. If you flash your phone on a 100% charge then you DO NOT need to wipe battery stats. You only have to wipe battery stats if you flash when your battery is not at 100%!
hazard99 said:
Ok so Here's the deal
When I flash a rom I charge the phone till it hits 100%. I then reset the battery stats and go on about my day. With in a few minutes of being off the charger my battery has now dropped down to about 96 %. I do realize that batteries do not stay at 100% but this is crazy. I've only deep cycled my battery once for fear that it may damage my battery.
I Am using Teamwhiskeys ultra awesome bionix-v rom with ttabals oc kernal. I know I am to expect a slightly more rapid drain but this is crazy. I have even tried to lower the vcore and I slowed down the cpu to 800mhz. It still drains just as fast.
The odd thing to me is If i turn my phone off and let it fully charge to 100 percent reset stats then turn on phone It will show full for a minute then drop down to to 96 or 95 percent.
I personally think my battery is damaged but spare parts shows that it is ok.
So i am rather confused by this .
I know I should probably use the stock kernal but it seems like its just as bad with that.
I have looked at the threads about battery life and I am not expecting it to be amazing just hoping it will be ok!
Tell me what ya think !
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It's not out of the ordinary for a battery indicator to show a few percent drop rather quickly on a LiIon battery. Secondly you should take a battery indicator with a rather large grain of salt. Expecting precision in single digit percentages from the indicator is unrealistic and nearly impossible to rely on given the nature of discharge of a battery. Batteries do not charge or discharge in a linear manner, and people do not use battery powered devices in a linear way either.
It is a visual guide, not a precise and accurate indicator. Many custom roms have a percent accurate indicator, but don't mistake this with being dead-on accurate. It is merely an attempt to make it a BETTER visual GUIDE.
To evaluate battery life properly is moderately time consuming, though rather obvious. Use your device as you would normally. Pay attention to how long it stays charged. If it's not staying alive for a reasonable amount of time (12-24 hours depending on what you are doing of course), then it's time to dig deeper. Apps that wake up and generate unnecessary Partial Wake usage, a lot of background application syncing or apps with short sync intervals, being in an area with poor data/voice signal....these are the usual culprits.
Apart from situations where people are playing around with experimental kernels (i9000 derived kernels tend to vampirically drain battery a few percent an hour regardless), the things that drain your battery are....things that "use" your phone. The more you do (and the more your phone is doing with your permission while it's in your pocket) the less battery you will have.
In the end it comes down to asking yourself some questions. Do you need to automatically update facebook, myspace, twitter feeds constantly when you can manually update them and be inconvenienced by a 10-20 second wait? Do you really need to update 35 rss feeds in Google Reader?
Most people's power related issues come down to three things.
1). Apps that wake up without your knowledge and waste battery for no good reason (I'm looking at you Media Hub!!)
2).All those other apps and widgets that are updating inside your pocket when your not reading, watching, or caring about them.
3). Being in an area with poor data/voice signal, forcing your phone to "hunt" excessively for a better connection.
Apps that wake up and do god knows what without your knowledge can either be removed, disabled, or frozen. Examining partial wake usage can give you insight into what may be going on in that scenario. Apps can be "Frozen" with Titanium Backup Pro (paid) or App Freezer (free).
The other part that is within your control are all the apps/widgets you actively use, and your decisions about how often (or even if) they update themselves.
With very light usage, I've managed to get my Evo3D to last just shy of 2 and a half days. When actually using it, it's been a bit hit or miss, some days it tanks pretty fast, other days it's done quite well. But one thing I have noticed is that sometimes, especially around the 35% range, it'll spontaneously drop 10-15% (it actually did 43% straight to 14% this afternoon). It's visible in the battery use graph as a sudden nearly vertical line. It's never happened when I had the screen on actually doing something, it just happens randomly after turning the display off. Has anyone else seen this? It's pretty confusing.
First thing is first....
Did you download spareparts and see what is consuming battery? In other words, check for a wake lock.
You have to give the battery time to get conditioned. It gets better the more you go through charging cycles. I'm at 75% after 8 hours of moderate usage and that's pretty consistent for me.
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Darineth said:
With very light usage, I've managed to get my Evo3D to last just shy of 2 and a half days. When actually using it, it's been a bit hit or miss, some days it tanks pretty fast, other days it's done quite well. But one thing I have noticed is that sometimes, especially around the 35% range, it'll spontaneously drop 10-15% (it actually did 43% straight to 14% this afternoon). It's visible in the battery use graph as a sudden nearly vertical line. It's never happened when I had the screen on actually doing something, it just happens randomly after turning the display off. Has anyone else seen this? It's pretty confusing.
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For the first week or 2, the phone has a hard time understanding how full the battery is. Try draining it down to 50% or so, and then resetting it. You'll probably see a sudden drop or rise in the battery%. Resetting it will force the issue, but it can also happen while the phone is on. That's pretty normal till the the phone "Learns" the battery.
It doesn't mean you suddenly used 15% of your battery, it would probably explode if you did that... it just means the phone re-calculated the battery's life and changed the number.
Your not alone as soon as mine hits 35 percent ill shut the screen off and here it beep at me and bang its at 14%. lol same as you.
Don't know if it will help you.
I had a similar issue as you, battery would get to around 30ish % I could turn the screen on check an email, set it down and bam 14%, and the low charge noise.
I wasn't trying to fix it, instead I was doing this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1153371
When I attempted this I had about 35ish percent battery left, following the directions my phone restarted when it came back up I got a 1% battery warning, then my phone went into emergency shut down. I thought something happened and I was going to have to return the phone. I powered it back up and it read 33%, from there on out my phone now drops a % at a time, and my battery life is as good as the other people who get phenomenal battery. I'm going on 48hours with light usage and still have 25% left. I've txt'd music, videos, nothing heavy.
Take it for what it's worth, I don't know what happened maybe the data reset, resets the battery calibration, I have no clue, all I know is what happened to my phone and the result.
Sorry to ask a probably popular question but search on the XDA app is very meh.
Phone idle will always be the top battery killer for the average user. That's just because the phone is isle more than awake most of the time.
You can get an app like setcpu and have a custom profile to underclock your cpu while you're not using your phone though
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tight686 said:
Sorry to ask a probably popular question but search on the XDA app is very meh.
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What do you call murdering?
Is your battery dead in 2 hours, or do you see idle as the top user after 12 hours with 70% left?
Why don't you charge the phone while on. When 100%I turn it off. (Don't unplug power in this whole process ) then pull battery. In a couple seconds you will see a battery with a ? In it. Then place the battery back in. It should say 5%. Let it sit for 3-4 hours. Boot to recovery and while battery status. If no recovery, boot to os and wipe battery status. Then phone idle ( the phone only shows "phone idle" to give you will a total of 100% since before your battery once had about 60% of normal battery life. Now that you have alot Battery, phone idle is a much smaller % than you had before.
Not murdering but in a 2hr space 50+% of my battery is eaten up due to Phone Idle.
I'll try that fully charge trick tomorrow. Thanks.
tight686 said:
Not murdering but in a 2hr space 50+% of my battery is eaten up due to Phone Idle.
I'll try that fully charge trick tomorrow. Thanks.
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Before I did that I had ..... 4 hour talk time max. Now im 6+hrs. You'll see. Thank me later
Put your battery in the witness protection program. But seriously if in 2 hours ~50% is gone, I don't think its phone idle. Also something to consider is terrible reception eats battery. And 4g even though its not true 4g those higher speeds come at a cost. I think you can guess what the cost is.
I voided my warranty.
pukemon said:
Put your battery in the witness protection program. But seriously if in 2 hours ~50% is gone, I don't think its phone idle. Also something to consider is terrible reception eats battery. And 4g even though its not true 4g those higher speeds come at a cost. I think you can guess what the cost is.
I voided my warranty.
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Even if I heavy grind on the phone until its dead.. it will not have a whole lot of battery left, nor will idle consume so much of his battery. So he needs to try the basics of battery maintenance first.
Sorry guys I described that horribly.
I mean of OVERALL drain 50% is Phone Idle. Not 50% battery life.
tight686 said:
Sorry guys I described that horribly.
I mean of OVERALL drain 50% is Phone Idle. Not 50% battery life.
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well now that you describe it like that, use the search and read up on the many threads about phone idle. peeps can't seem to wrap their head around it. and read up on display time too.
Phone Idle should be the remainder of everything else draining your battery, basically the minimum power draw. If you add everything up you should end up with about 100%. I say "about" because android rounds the numbers up/down to whole numbers.
If your phone idle is at 50% you're doing bugger-all with your phone. So long as your actual battery life is normal then there's nothing wrong. If your battery life sucks, then possibly your battery is dead/dying or something like the minimum CPU frequency is set higher than normal causing a constantly higher power drain.
Well as long as he followed the steps. Phone idle will not take such a high % of battery usage on the battery manager. If he talked on the phone for an hour and did pandora for an hour. You would see idle would take a small % vs the talk time and pandora streaming combined/separate.
My wifes x2 display is using 59% battery. Weve changed the timeout to 30s and brightness down really low. But her. Battery still dies very fast. Its only 2 months old. We ha e disabled bt wifi and gps. Any other tips?
One other question. When her phone dies she cannot plug it in and turn it on or it gets stuck on the motorola logo. Qe have to wait till droid boot animation to plug it in. Any ideas?
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If you plug it in from off do you see the charging screen? Try plugging it in and holding the power button simultaneously if the phone is off.
Is the phone rooted and romd or stock?
Is it running 2.3.4?
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Its running 2.3.4 rooted but not romd. I had the phone for about a month and had no issues with it. However i never allowed it to die. Shes not a heavy user but my main concern is why the display uses 59% where my d4 uses only 26% on the same settings as hers. Can i unroot the phone in case i have to return it under warranty?
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when the phone dies you need to plug it in and wait until the battery on charge only screen shows at least 10% before the system will, allow you to turn it on
if you have BSR installed tho, as soon as it dies you can plug it in and when BSR comes up you can just choose reboot system now.
and the reason you d4 uses less battery on screen it's because I believe it is an amoled screen, which consumes much, lower power levels than an LCD screen
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Have you tried recalibrating the battery too?
No. How do i do that? Thanks
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First, make sure the battery is completely charged, then boot into custom recovery (BSR). Go to advanced options (towards the bottom of the list) and there should be an option that says 'recalibrate battery'. Once you recalibrate it, reboot back into android. I usually always let my battery run completely out after doing a recalibration before recharging it after a re-cal. If you find on your first discharge after recalibrating that your phone tells you you've only got 20% left and it would normally only last an hour before, depending if it needed the re-cal it may last 2 hours. Those numbers are just hypotheticals. Point is, recalibrating lets android know it's for sure 100% full at the start, but it doesn't necesarily know the end point until it gets there by allowing a full discharge. Also, the lithium batteries our phones use do best when recharged around 15-20%. It's actually bad to let them completely discharge all the time. And if you have multiple batteries and one may be sitting for a while, it's best to store them between 30-40%. Let me know if you need any more clarification.
Im going to try that thank you
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More importantly, if you are already rooted and such, why not run a custom ROM? CM7 and/or Eclipse should give you a good boost in battery life. Running CM7 my standard battery lasts 18-24 hours with light ish usage. And that's with my original battery from when the DX2 first came out. I also have an extended battery I am running right now, but don't have data on that one yet since it's still discharging now. I do know that swapping between batteries of different capacities pisses android off sometimes though lol. Aside from custom roms, there are scripts and apps/software-based mods that can help it significantly too. Namely, wifi vs 3g usage, turning 3g data off when your phone is not being used, etc... I started off with an original DX but VZW gave me a free upgrade to DX2 after my 6th warrantied DX. I miss Rubix's ROM and being able to overclock and undervolt... My DX would last 2+ days sometimes when I had it all dialed in.
Its now my wifes phone. Since she already has had time getting used to stock i doubt she'll let me put a rom on it lol. But ill try
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Well fortunately you've got a Blur-based and AOSP-based option for it. I know what you mean though, my gf likes her Sense-based UI, but had to give it up for a semi-funtioning Eris. I think she is getting a Bionic sooner than later... HTC is garbage.
Maleko48 said:
First, make sure the battery is completely charged, then boot into custom recovery (BSR). Go to advanced options (towards the bottom of the list) and there should be an option that says 'recalibrate battery'. Once you recalibrate it, reboot back into android. I usually always let my battery run completely out after doing a recalibration before recharging it after a re-cal. If you find on your first discharge after recalibrating that your phone tells you you've only got 20% left and it would normally only last an hour before, depending if it needed the re-cal it may last 2 hours. Those numbers are just hypotheticals. Point is, recalibrating lets android know it's for sure 100% full at the start, but it doesn't necesarily know the end point until it gets there by allowing a full discharge. Also, the lithium batteries our phones use do best when recharged around 15-20%. It's actually bad to let them completely discharge all the time. And if you have multiple batteries and one may be sitting for a while, it's best to store them between 30-40%. Let me know if you need any more clarification.
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Or you can download the app battery calibrator (haar a red Android as the pic) and follow the directions
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letting your battery die completely is not recommended no matter what you've been Told
Li-on batteries were designed to last longer when you don't let it die completely
start charging around 15%-10%, 5 is pushing it cuz its most likely gonna shut down before you see 5, trust me, it's bad for the life of tour battery to let it drain completely, just Google Li-on battery life, recommendations and u can read for yourself lol
ashclepdia said:
letting your battery die completely is not recommended no matter what you've been Told
Li-on batteries were designed to last longer when you don't let it die completely
start charging around 15%-10%, 5 is pushing it cuz its most likely gonna shut down before you see 5, trust me, it's bad for the life of tour battery to let it drain completely, just Google Li-on battery life, recommendations and u can read for yourself lol
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Yeah I know you're not *supposed* to let them discharge all the way but sometimes you have to and sometimes it just happens. For instance, my extended battery that I just did a re-cal on the other day has been sitting at 1% for the past few hours and is currently reading 1day 12 hours of uptime. (I shut it off the other night though and it is still discharging from its initial charge that I did the re-cal on.) So if I would have recharged it at 5% or whatever, I would be losing a decent chunk of available battery because android thought it was empty when it really wasn't, thus skewing the battery's voltage window.
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Yeah I know you're not *supposed* to let them discharge all the way but sometimes you have to and sometimes it just happens. For instance, my extended battery that I just did a re-cal on the other day has been sitting at 1% for the past few hours and is currently reading 1day 12 hours of uptime. (I shut it off the other night though and it is still discharging from its initial charge that I did the re-cal on.) So if I would have recharged it at 5% or whatever, I would be losing a decent chunk of available battery because android thought it was empty when it really wasn't, thus skewing the battery's voltage window.
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that will only happen with extended batteries or one of those "Chinese", aftermarket batteries
regardless, battery life of Li-on batteries will decrease from letting it completely discharge, the more times you do it, the less your battery health will be.(BTW when do you "have to" let it discharge completely? , I'm not "calling you out or trying to "make you look stupid" or anything, I'm just curious what you meant by that?)
when I say 15-5% don't look at it as when Android reports that percentage, the x2 will, NEVER show an extended battery percentage correctly no matter how many times you "calibrate" that's just how it goes, it doesn't realize there is a higher capacity battery in the device larger than 1500mah, what you wanna do is use a battery voltage widget to monitor battery left, when it starts to get around 3500mV is when you are gonna want to charge I believe, (I think that 3200 is completely dead, and 4200 is topped off)
also,, wiping battery stats is a useless practice, not long ago I believe a Google developer wrote about why it's useless, apparently battery stats only has to do with the battery use settings stats about which apps have used which amount of battery. the battery stats gets reset/wiped EVERY time you get to a near fill-full charge (hence why the battery use graph resets itself when u almost fully charged, if you stop charging around 60-70% it wont reset)
reference:: http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/wiping-battery-stats-is-pointless-says-google-r316
ashclepdia said:
that will only happen with extended batteries or one of those "Chinese", aftermarket batteries
regardless, battery life of Li-on batteries will decrease from letting it completely discharge, the more times you do it, the less your battery health will be.(BTW when do you "have to" let it discharge completely? , I'm not "calling you out or trying to "make you look stupid" or anything, I'm just curious what you meant by that?)
when I say 15-5% don't look at it as when Android reports that percentage, the x2 will, NEVER show an extended battery percentage correctly no matter how many times you "calibrate" that's just how it goes, it doesn't realize there is a higher capacity battery in the device larger than 1500mah, what you wanna do is use a battery voltage widget to monitor battery left, when it starts to get around 3500mV is when you are gonna want to charge I believe, (I think that 3200 is completely dead, and 4200 is topped off)
also,, wiping battery stats is a useless practice, not long ago I believe a Google developer wrote about why it's useless, apparently battery stats only has to do with the battery use settings stats about which apps have used which amount of battery. the battery stats gets reset/wiped EVERY time you get to a near fill-full charge (hence why the battery use graph resets itself when u almost fully charged, if you stop charging around 60-70% it wont reset)
reference:: http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/wiping-battery-stats-is-pointless-says-google-r316
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Thanks for pointing that out. I regularly swap between my standard and extended batteries (both straight from VZW) because I'm always out and about and have used re-cal's to keep the perceived percentages from being skewed since I like to know how much life I have left in my phone so I know if I am gonna be able to find my way home or not, lol. (I ride my bike far and wide.)
I remember reading a while back that every time you un-plug your phone from a full charge that battery bin file gets re-written as 100%. So regardless of what android reports, yes, you will always get to use your battery until it is fully dead, but when swapping between two different capacities of batteries the reported percentages get skewed. And as I mentioned before, more often than not I am far from home on a bicycle in a city I only know a fraction of, and many nights somewhat inebriated, haha. I <3 my android, but it can certainly be a lot of work to keep up with.
Maleko48 said:
Thanks for pointing that out. I regularly swap between my standard and extended batteries (both straight from VZW) because I'm always out and about and have used re-cal's to keep the perceived percentages from being skewed since I like to know how much life I have left in my phone so I know if I am gonna be able to find my way home or not, lol. (I ride my bike far and wide.)
I remember reading a while back that every time you un-plug your phone from a full charge that battery bin file gets re-written as 100%. So regardless of what android reports, yes, you will always get to use your battery until it is fully dead, but when swapping between two different capacities of batteries the reported percentages get skewed. And as I mentioned before, more often than not I am far from home on a bicycle in a city I only know a fraction of, and many nights somewhat inebriated, haha. I <3 my android, but it can certainly be a lot of work to keep up with.
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trust me, I know exactly what you're talkin bout
except mostly riding buses/trains for mE
I have two standard and one extended, I always use the extend first since it will never report correctly when I'm out, then I switch to the standard ones so when they are running low, I KNOW when they will die lol
same here, wifes x2 battery last 2 days..awesome
I accidentally found a way to over come the unsual battery drain. This method may not work out with completely worn out - old batteries. A month after I bought my s3, my battery started to drain excessively. I had installed no new apps..
Phone Usage was almost the same. Before the battery drain I got almost 26~30 hours of battery at normal use... after the battery drain I got less than 12 hours for the same usage.
So here is the method.
Put the phone on charge. After puttting it on charge, switch off the phone... u can restart it after twenty seconds... ideally wait till the phone cools down, if it feels hot... don't use the phone till it reaches 100% charge. This method works for any initial charge. I.e. it works when the battery is at 98% or at 1%. But if u try this method when u have 1% and u keep using the phone while charging, this method may not work... so ideally don't use the phone while charging.
So now I do this everyday and my phone lasts for 26~30 hours on normal use.
I used gsam battery monitor pro to monitor my phone's temperature and battery usage.
It also gives the average number of hours the battery will last.
For those who dont know : Ideally charge the battery when it is leas than 10%. This will increase the overall battery life.
P.s. it works for me. Don't complain if it doesn't work for u!!
Cheers,
Kraadhagaa aka sivakannan
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_calibration
You basically calibrated your battery. Typically only needs done about once a month at most to keep your battery gauge accurate. Any more than that hurts your battery.
t1n0m3n said:
You basically calibrated your battery. Typically only needs done about once a month at most to keep your battery gauge accurate. Any more than that hurts your battery.
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Calibration is draining the battery till 0%, phone switches off and charging it till 100% when the phone is switched off.
This did not do the job. Battery drain was still bad.
After trying out my method, i charged the phone for two or three cycles without this method. Then the battery drain got horrible till the method was repeated.
I have been testing this method for a month. It hasn't caused Any harm. My battery life is good.
Its in effect the well posted bump charge method .
jje
stop playing games!! :silly:
sivajikannan said:
Calibration is draining the battery till 0%,
No its not calibration is using the phone .
Basically many just talk a load on nonsense when it comes to battery's .
jje
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I don't know a lot about batteries so I don't know how much of this is true.
I read that the phones chip, if it regularly see's the phone's battery going no lower than say, 15% over time (i.e, user always charges it once it hits 15%) that it will start to use this 15% mark as the "empty" level and that the best thing to do is to "remind it" every now and again, that there are battery levels below this 15% by letting it drain to 0%
Anyone got any comments on that?
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Once you get above 90%, I would stop worrying about it. I think most if not all devices need to go through charge/discharge cycles while fully charged to keep the battery life good, so when it is "charged" it will actually be ramping up and down to do that. How this is shown to the user varies across manufacturers, and there is really no clearly right solution -- if you show them the actual changes in level they start complaining and getting concerned about their battery not being at 100%, so it is good to just show it at 100% at this point but then you are giving a little white lie about the actual level.
NOTE last line 100% is not really true .
As to the 15% all i read is that continual dropping below 15% / 10% is bad for the battery's overall life .
jje
JJEgan said:
As to the 15% all i read is that continual dropping below 15% / 10% is bad for the battery's overall life .
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The other thing with Li-On batteries is that (as you say) using the last 10-15% of charge is damaging to overall battery life. If the battery reaches "True 0", it would be irreparable. That said, this last 10-15% of "Danger zone" (as I will now call it) is inhibited by an EPROM setting so a user cannot actually get below that.
Essentially, what I am saying is that the 10-15% "danger zone" is not included in the 0-100% that we perceive to be the "battery life" as the user.
So in the 1st attached image, the Red area represents the "danger Zone" or EEPROM protected charge. The Green area represents the 0-100% that we use as a user.
But in this case, I am asking if the EPROM sees the 15% remaining charge of the green area (forgetting the danger zone exists), if regularly not dropping below that, it becomes the new 0%, losing the last 15% of the green area as per the second image?
The phone only sees a reported voltage value, which it compares to a table giving an approximate % remaining - based on a fixed battery capacity.
The 15% danger/red zone you refer to is below the minimum voltage the phone will allow the battery to ever reach, as below this value the battery itself will act to disconnect - giving unexpected shut down and data loss/partition corruption. You would also be unable to recover a battery in this condition with a normal charger.
Best advise is still to recharge before the battery reaches 10 to 15% of the phone's indicated remaining value - you can safely go down to 0% indicated but will lose a little battery capacity each time you do this, as the electrodes inside the cell are being worn away. It's no big deal, hence why the phone permits it to happen, you'll just need to replace the battery earlier.
Similarly charging to 100% and holding the cell there is just as bad, remove from the charger and start using it right away.
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The phone only sees a reported voltage value, which it compares to a table giving an approximate % remaining - based on a fixed battery capacity.
The 15% danger/red zone you refer to is below the minimum voltage the phone will allow the battery to ever reach, as below this value the battery itself will act to disconnect - giving unexpected shut down and data loss/partition corruption. You would also be unable to recover a battery in this condition with a normal charger
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This I know but it's not related to my question.
boomboomer said:
Best advise is still to recharge before the battery reaches 10 to 15% of the phone's indicated remaining value - you can safely go down to 0% indicated but will lose a little battery capacity each time you do this, as the electrodes inside the cell are being worn away. It's no big deal, hence why the phone permits it to happen, you'll just need to replace the battery earlier.
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I'm not sure I agree with this but again, it's not related to my question.
*shrug* Sorry, I read your post about 10 times last night and figured you were talking about calibration. I then posted accordingly. Tonight, after I read your reply, I tried reading your post again a few more times. Finally, I came to the conclusion that your post makes no sense, so I give up trying to decipher what your post was trying to say. I surrender.
The best answer to the battery drain issue is a application called "GREENIFY". It closes all the background applications.. Try it n thank me if u feel it worked.. It increased my battery life more than twice..
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Lol... e=mc^2 doesn't make sense to a lot of people either
t1n0m3n said:
*shrug* Sorry, I read your post about 10 times last night and figured you were talking about calibration. I then posted accordingly. Tonight, after I read your reply, I tried reading your post again a few more times. Finally, I came to the conclusion that your post makes no sense, so I give up trying to decipher what your post was trying to say. I surrender.
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