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So I am probably asking out of ignorance, but why hasn't this been attempted. It seems like the best way to get rid of SquashFS would be to rewrite the firmware to not use it. I'm sure it would be a huge undertaking if it's even possible.
i think the biggest problem is the .aos file.
That's what I would think. These files surely aren't hack proof.
I would imagine that they used a similar system to the PS3. Signed files etc and without some master key, I think backwards engineering and creating your own aos files will be impossible. Guessing though. I haven't looked into it and wouldn't really know where to begin.
Thanks for the reply!! I suspect you are probably right here.
And you are sure you looked into http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=877
I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to link to fzelle, but as far as I know actually creating an aos update file to flash to the devices (which is what I took this topic to mean), rather than making a custom firmware running in dev mode has not been broached over in the android dev forum.
I absolutely agree that to get full read/write and root on your device the ONLY way to go is UrukDroid. It's great.
You were only talking about reverse engeneering, and that is not needed if you have the full sourcecode and a possibility to install your own making.
This is the first time you are talking about aos.
AOS is just an automatic installation environment on the Archos,
something like MSI on windows.
Everything you get with uruk could than be done with an aos.
BUT ATM Uruk is far away from being usable by the normal "MOD User".
So ( my2cent ) we shouldn't do an AOS until uruk ( or any other rom ) is installable
by those non techies.
And you can install Uruk internaly.
Orly?? Forgive my ignorance.
Does the kernel or initramfs change on the stock OS ever? If it does, is it updated with the aos update file?
I only ask, because if that was the case and we can pack aos files to flash to the archos devices, then what is the need for the SDE at all?
What I took the OP to mean in his original post was, could we edit the aos file to get full read / write access to the stock file system. I don't think we can, but again I am not sure as I have a limited knowledge of the subject.
I probably stopped making sense a couple of posts back (if ever), but I just want to get everything correct in my head.
The Archos Kernel is flashed by the AOS and the SDE flashes another one.
But as the AOS is just an Installer without any knollage of the device, the software inside has to manage the flashing, so yes you might be able to do this but as the internal version are probably signed you would not be successfull.
Thats why the SDE allows to install an unsigned kernel.
So you then have 2 kernels on the device and they can coexist.
It is possible to update the orginal Archos Kernel when having for ex. an Uruk installed.
They can have diff kernels, so everything is possible.
But feel free to browse http://www.openaos.org/ for more infos ;-)
fzelle said:
The Archos Kernel is flashed by the AOS and the SDE flashes another one.
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Correct the /mnt/rawfs/init is the standard kernel and the /mnt/rawfs/custom is the sde kernel and /mnt/rawfs/recovery is a third one.
fzelle said:
But as the AOS is just an Installer without any knollage of the device, the software inside has to manage the flashing, so yes you might be able to do this but as the internal version are probably signed you would not be successfull.
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Signed yes, I doubt that it's an installer because of the things i found in the recovery. That kernel and boot filesystem contains everything to flash custom kernels and standard kernels and also can process aos files. There could be some kind of scripting included in the aos to do some specific tasks but the recovery is probably doing all the work.
fzelle said:
Thats why the SDE allows to install an unsigned kernel.
So you then have 2 kernels on the device and they can coexist.
It is possible to update the orginal Archos Kernel when having for ex. an Uruk installed.
They can have diff kernels, so everything is possible.
But feel free to browse http://www.openaos.org/ for more infos ;-)
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I think the sde enables the flashing through some kind of flag because on the stock system the file /mnt/rawfs/custom exists but is 0 bytes long.
wdl1908 said:
Signed yes, I doubt that it's an installer because of the things i found in the recovery. That kernel and boot filesystem contains everything to flash custom kernels and standard kernels and also can process aos files. There could be some kind of scripting included in the aos to do some specific tasks but the recovery is probably doing all the work.
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There are a bunch of binaries in initramfs of recovery and init as far as I remember called "abcbox", "cramfschecker" and "aosparser", and THESE are doing the hard work like check whether it's signature is valid or not or even sign it, update the files, etc..
AOS files
If you google around you can find some information.
Without the private key the problem is repacking the AOS file and getting the device to load it.
Some interesting details on the AOS files in this page over at OpenAOS:
http ://dev.openaos.org/wiki/SettingUpMultiRootGen7
I've been thinking: In order to use UrukDroid or Churli's quick-root method, we have to sacrifice using the other, as well as giving up on Angstrom (not a great loss...).
Thinking of the future, is there a way we can insert a bootmenu (something Grub-like) at the beginning of the SDE boot process that could allow us to have multiple OSs on the Archos. This way, for example, we could install Uruk on the SD while still having Angstrom available. We could then potentially install Ubuntu, Honeycomb betas, etc. in additional partitions we create.
I'm hoping to inspire someone...
strongergravity said:
I've been thinking: In order to use UrukDroid or Churli's quick-root method, we have to sacrifice using the other, as well as giving up on Angstrom (not a great loss...).
Thinking of the future, is there a way we can insert a bootmenu (something Grub-like) at the beginning of the SDE boot process that could allow us to have multiple OSs on the Archos. This way, for example, we could install Uruk on the SD while still having Angstrom available. We could then potentially install Ubuntu, Honeycomb betas, etc. in additional partitions we create.
I'm hoping to inspire someone...
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Yes and no.
The no.
The problem is that the real boot loader (equivalent to grub on a linux box) is still not accessible. That boot loader is what does the choice between the custom, init and recovery images that are place in the /mnt/rawfs.
The Yes
It would be possible to create a zImage and an initramfs.cpio.gz with a special init script that asks what root filesystem to mount and then complete the boot.
The thing is that the kernel will be shared between all the custom boot solutions.
wdl1908 said:
It would be possible to create a zImage and an initramfs.cpio.gz with a special init script that asks what root filesystem to mount and then complete the boot.
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That is what I was thinking about. I guess it was too early in the morning when I posted...
The thing is that the kernel will be shared between all the custom boot solutions.
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So, did the Angstrom that came in the SDE run on the same kernal as the Android on the Archos? I assume not. If not, this would mean we could only pull this stunt for different Android builds only, right?
strongergravity said:
So, did the Angstrom that came in the SDE run on the same kernal as the Android on the Archos? I assume not. If not, this would mean we could only pull this stunt for different Android builds only, right?
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I don't think so. Installing the SDE gives you the possibility to install a secondary kernel and to uninstall the default Android kernel.
So I can give you a No for your first question and a 'Yes, at the current state of development ans research' for your second question.
strongergravity said:
That is what I was thinking about. I guess it was too early in the morning when I posted...
So, did the Angstrom that came in the SDE run on the same kernal as the Android on the Archos? I assume not. If not, this would mean we could only pull this stunt for different Android builds only, right?
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There can be 3 different kernels.
custom
init
recovery
The custom is the only one that can be replaced when the SDE is flashed to the device, init is the stock android and recovery is just a kernel with some scripts that give you the ability to do stuff like reformat check disk etc.... Also the recovery is the part that is used to flash the custom kernel.
What about kexec, seems to be the perfect choice for this problem.
Unmensch said:
What about kexec, seems to be the perfect choice for this problem.
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Sounds good to me, someone should definitly do some research and testing. Unfortunately it won't be me as I already have a bunch of project going on
I am sorry. I just cannot quite understand the partitions for gtablet, explained here
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/repartition.htm
When you do a nvflash, do you need to re-partition? Do you need to remount these partitions manually before reformatting before a flash? Do you need to remount before flashing a rom? a kernal?
Why do the default instructions suggest making one of the partitions 0 size?
klaberte said:
I am sorry. I just cannot quite understand the partitions for gtablet, explained here
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/repartition.htm
When you do a nvflash, do you need to re-partition? Do you need to remount these partitions manually before reformatting before a flash? Do you need to remount before flashing a rom? a kernal?
Why do the default instructions suggest making one of the partitions 0 size?
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No need to repartition just for NVFLASH. Repartitioning normally necessary only once (unless you get a corrupted data area like I did).
The repartitioning is done within CWM. It only repartitions the user data area. No remounting necessary. Just follow the step by step and you will be good to go.
Do you need to remount these partitions manually before reformatting before a flash? Do you need to remount before flashing a rom? a kernal?
klaberte said:
Do you need to remount these partitions manually before reformatting before a flash? Do you need to remount before flashing a rom? a kernal?
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When you do the reparition using the option within Clockwork Mod (CWM), nothing is unmounted and there is no need to remount anything.
If you read the Dummies site by 'good intention', it says there is a incompatibility between the stock partition and the software & that repartitioning is recommended once (sooner rather than later) to prevent a problem in the future. So, assuming your gTab is new, you would first install CWM, then install the ROM you want & then Repartition (see Code Green).
As long as you do not have corruption in the user data area, that would hopefully be the ONLY time repartitioning is needed.
In my case, I had corruption (all directory/file entries were random characters & attempts to run any app resulted in app no found), so I had to reparition mine a second time.
Al
still not getting it...
Thanks for your timely response. I have read the dummies web site several times, as well as several guides from xda-forums. However, there are sometimes inconsistencies with these different sets of directions. For example, please see Part 2, step 8 of
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
This clearly instructs you to (re)mount these partitions before flashing a new ROM.
However,
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/rom.htm
makes no mention of checking or mounting these partitions.
I can certainly follow a cookbook set of instructions, but I am trying to actually understand the "why" behind these instructions.
Specifically, which partitions are changed when you do a nvflash? reflash a ROM? flash a new kernel?
klaberte said:
Thanks for your timely response. I have read the dummies web site several times, as well as several guides from xda-forums. However, there are sometimes inconsistencies with these different sets of directions. For example, please see Part 2, step 8 of
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
This clearly instructs you to (re)mount these partitions before flashing a new ROM.
However,
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/rom.htm
makes no mention of checking or mounting these partitions.
I can certainly follow a cookbook set of instructions, but I am trying to actually understand the "why" behind these instructions.
Specifically, which partitions are changed when you do a nvflash? reflash a ROM? flash a new kernel?
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The first post was back in Dec 2010. That was back when the only bootloader was the 1.1 branch. Part 2 Step8 is flashing the ROM, not repartitioning. It looks like they are having you unmount /system & /data before flashing the rom & then remounting it after you flash the rom. Don't know why thy did it that way back then since you aren't running on those paritions (/system & /data) while in CWM. Maybe back then they thought it was safer to do it that way.
What I can tell you is that I have flashed roms/configured four gTablets (everyone in the family wanted one) using the dummies instructions & they work correctly & are up to date for both bootloader branches.
Read through these 2 posts where I've gone into some detail regarding the partition and SD card structure and contents on the gTablet:
SD card on gTablet
Android partitions on gTablet
Hello guys,
Is there a possibility to update the "archos 10.1 (gen8)"
from android froyo 2.2 to android 4.4??
And if it is possible would it be worth it to do that ?
Will speed and so increase the tablet?
Greetings Avanox
Absolutely not.
Mavasilisk said:
Absolutely not.
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Hello again, thank you for your reply.
And not possible to install another version that's higher than 2.2 on that tablet?
Greetings Avanox
Avanox said:
Hello again, thank you for your reply.
And not possible to install another version that's higher than 2.2 on that tablet?
Greetings Avanox
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2.3 or 4.0 but that's the highest u can go, did u even have a look in the gen8 android development section?
Ranomez said:
2.3 or 4.0 but that's the highest u can go, did u even have a look in the gen8 android development section?
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Waw great. Thanks for the information.
Yes I did check this section but probably not good enough.
Avanox said:
Waw great. Thanks for the information.
Yes I did check this section but probably not good enough.
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Here is the link to ICS (4.0.x): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1941377
And here is the link to GB (2.3.x): http://dev.openaos.org/wiki/AndroidInstall_CM7_Gingerbread (there is also a thread on this forum)
Unfortunately the openaos site seems to be down right now (was up in the morning and last night when I answered you) but anyway I did find cm9 (ics) to be more stable and "usable" (less bugs than actually affect usability) than cm7 (gb) although no doubt quite a bit slower than cm7, but again that's me that has at least 300 apps installed on each android device and that goes back to since I had a HTC Touch Pro 2 and turned it from an windows mobile device to an android one and the specs on that were way lower than the ones on the gen8.
Also feel free to ask any questions you may have related to our gen8 tablets, I am one of the "lost souls" still using this tablet and I can say that judging by the fact that I bought this quite soon after it was released (at least in my country) I can say it has served me well since then and I still think it is a decent device (although I do now have a much better and much more powerful tablet device too, my 101it is still a fun thing to play around with).
Hello again I will give it a try now.
Any idea where I can download the kernel ?
Because the download link doesn't work on the link you gave me for android 4.
I just posted for it.
Would you still have it or could you reupload this for me?
Would be awesome.
Greetings Avanox
Ranomez said:
Here is the link to ICS (4.0.x): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1941377
And here is the link to GB (2.3.x): http://dev.openaos.org/wiki/AndroidInstall_CM7_Gingerbread (there is also a thread on this forum)
Unfortunately the openaos site seems to be down right now (was up in the morning and last night when I answered you) but anyway I did find cm9 (ics) to be more stable and "usable" (less bugs than actually affect usability) than cm7 (gb) although no doubt quite a bit slower than cm7, but again that's me that has at least 300 apps installed on each android device and that goes back to since I had a HTC Touch Pro 2 and turned it from an windows mobile device to an android one and the specs on that were way lower than the ones on the gen8.
Also feel free to ask any questions you may have related to our gen8 tablets, I am one of the "lost souls" still using this tablet and I can say that judging by the fact that I bought this quite soon after it was released (at least in my country) I can say it has served me well since then and I still think it is a decent device (although I do now have a much better and much more powerful tablet device too, my 101it is still a fun thing to play around with).
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Avanox said:
Hello again I will give it a try now.
Any idea where I can download the kernel ?
Because the download link doesn't work on the link you gave me for android 4.
I just posted for it.
Would you still have it or could you reupload this for me?
Would be awesome.
Greetings Avanox
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The link that you are talking about that isn't working is the kernel source link (which is actually very unfortunate) and not the kernel itself, the kernel can be downloaded from the attachments of the first post in the thread (a zimage and the initramfs.cpio.gs files)
Hello again ,
I will set it on a row:
1. Cm9 image download (ok)
2. Initramfs.cpio.gz download (ok)
3. Kernel download
(which files are the kernel to download zimage and the initramfs.cpio.gs??)
I can't see a link to the zimage ?? Can you give me the correct link?
4. Data.img.tar.gz download (ok)
Install kernel by SDE menu
(ok I know how to get in the SDE menu but what steps I have to do there?)
Where to configure menu.Ist (is that the one I downloaded in the attachements downstairs?
What about the terminal ? How to enter the terminal to activate Bluetooth?
What is the swap configuration??
Ok and one last question, at the moment my Archos 10.1 gen8 is running on Urukdroid must I remove the sd card for this procedure and reinstall the SDE firmware or not?
Or is this method for cm9 (android4) not like urukdroid method??
Sorry for all my questions but I don’t want to make mistakes.
Greetings Avanox
Ranomez said:
The link that you are talking about that isn't working is the kernel source link (which is actually very unfortunate) and not the kernel itself, the kernel can be downloaded from the attachments of the first post in the thread (a zimage and the initramfs.cpio.gs files)
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Avanox said:
Hello again ,
I will set it on a row:
1. Cm9 image download (ok)
2. Initramfs.cpio.gz download (ok)
3. Kernel download
(which files are the kernel to download zimage and the initramfs.cpio.gs??)
I can't see a link to the zimage ?? Can you give me the correct link?
4. Data.img.tar.gz download (ok)
Install kernel by SDE menu
(ok I know how to get in the SDE menu but what steps I have to do there?)
Where to configure menu.Ist (is that the one I downloaded in the attachements downstairs?
What about the terminal ? How to enter the terminal to activate Bluetooth?
What is the swap configuration??
Ok and one last question, at the moment my Archos 10.1 gen8 is running on Urukdroid must I remove the sd card for this procedure and reinstall the SDE firmware or not?
Or is this method for cm9 (android4) not like urukdroid method??
Sorry for all my questions but I don’t want to make mistakes.
Greetings Avanox
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There are a few files starting with zImage, chose one of the 3 of them and rename it to just zImage (no extension and don't extract it although when youu will download it it is an archive, just rename it to zImage and I can't really tell you which one to choose cause I do not know which of the 3 will work best for you, I personally use the 35% one.
To flash it you will use the same procedure as for urukdorid but you will loose access to urukdroid, though you don't need to remove your card and also AFAIR the OpenAOS multi-boot menu does not have the ability to boot at tablet boot (or I am wrong, not sure) so you might have to reboot in recovery and run developer version each time you want to boot it.
You could also use kboot for even more multi-boot and being able to still use urukdroid, I think I posted a mirror for the files on it's thread, or at least I wanted to, if I didn't I will. BUT if you do want this first backup the urukdroid kenrel and initramfs, I can tell you how to do it if you intend to do this, if loosing access to urukdroid is ok for you then I'd say don't bother, uruk isn't that great, you can get the same things on stock after getting root on it, though I could still recommend using it as that's the only way to have rooted stock using the kernels here on the forums or being able to boot also GB and/or debian/bodhi/whatever other linux distro you fancy.
For the OpenAOS boot menu you indeed need to download that menu.lst and put it on the storage, it is already setup for booting CM9 so you don't really need to do much more here.
Swap is already configured so you don't really need to do anything about that or worry about it, it's just info and for the bluetooth I think terminal emulator comes preinstalled so you do the commands in there but I would recommend creating a bash script and downloading SManager from play store and using that to create a homescreen shortcut to your script (I could also share you my script if you would like later after I charge my archos.
Also there is no initramfs.cpio.gs that was a typo, it's actually .gz so you have the right file and the kernel is the zImage.
In the SDE menu just do the steps you did when you flashed urukdroid but only place the initramfs.cpio.gz and zImage without a 3rd file (if I remember correctly the steps for flashing urukdroid), I can't really tell you what steps to do in there as I don't really remember, it's something like go in the repair menu and click flash developer firmware or something along those lines I think.
EDIT: Also if you intend to edit the menu.lst file for whatever reason (if you want to use kboot to add the CM7 kernel and use that to boot CM7 and/or debian for example) don't use windows notepad, instead install notepad++.
Ok this makes some things clear to me
Yeah is also a long time ago urukdroid installing.
I found the guide from it but it seems idd similar to your explanation.
https://code.google.com/archive/p/urukdroid/wikis/Installation.wiki
ok I Installed Kernel and initramfs.cpio.gz
But what about installing cm9 image?
1. I did extract "CYANOBIZ_BETA2.6_A101.img" and copyd it to the root.
2. I did uncompressed data.img.tar.gz, I choosed one of the 3 images and renamed it to data_ICS.img
3. I did copy the 2 files to the root.
But what now how to install it? That's not specificly said how you must do it.
Can you help me ?
Greetings
Avanox said:
ok I Installed Kernel and initramfs.cpio.gz
But what about installing cm9 image?
1. I did extract "CYANOBIZ_BETA2.6_A101.img" and copyd it to the root.
2. I did uncompressed data.img.tar.gz, I choosed one of the 3 images and renamed it to data_ICS.img
3. I did copy the 2 files to the root.
But what now how to install it? That's not specificly said how you must do it.
Can you help me ?
Greetings
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You need to also drop the menu.lst file on the internal memory and have the cm9 image named as CYANOBIZ_BETA2.6.img then just got to recovery and boot the developer edition firmware and you will be greeted by a boot menu with just one item, click power and it will boot and that's it.
You don't really install anything, the tablet will boot from the img file and use the data.img file as the data partition, that's all (and if you decide to move any apps to the sd card aka internal memory don't boot in an other android os like stock because the android_secure folder will be wiped, though I am not sure CM9 allows you to, I know CM7 does).
Also I have uploaded kboot and it is on the thread in the development section if you want to use that for more flexible multi-boot (or at least to have the multi-boot menu loaded at every normal boot without needing to enter recovery to boot ics), although now it will be a bit hard to obtain the uruk kernel in case you still want to boot that, it is possible, you just need a linux computer or the ext2fsd driver in windows, I can't really give you the kernel from my installation of it since I understood yours is on the sd card and mine is on the internal memory.
And if you would like I can give you kboot already set up with the stock root kernel and all the 3 ics kernels to make it easier for you.
Ow ok will try tomorrow.
Euhm yeah urukdroid is no more on tablet I think I installed last sde firmware.
The kboot is that for switching between then Linux similar system and android 2.2 and android 4 and maybe urukdroid if I reinstall it (not necessary for the Moment?)
Yeah I will try out that kboot you may send it to me if you want. Maybe it's cool feature
Thanks in advance
Greetings
Ranomez said:
You need to also drop the menu.lst file on the internal memory and have the cm9 image named as CYANOBIZ_BETA2.6.img then just got to recovery and boot the developer edition firmware and you will be greeted by a boot menu with just one item, click power and it will boot and that's it.
You don't really install anything, the tablet will boot from the img file and use the data.img file as the data partition, that's all (and if you decide to move any apps to the sd card aka internal memory don't boot in an other android os like stock because the android_secure folder will be wiped, though I am not sure CM9 allows you to, I know CM7 does).
Also I have uploaded kboot and it is on the thread in the development section if you want to use that for more flexible multi-boot (or at least to have the multi-boot menu loaded at every normal boot without needing to enter recovery to boot ics), although now it will be a bit hard to obtain the uruk kernel in case you still want to boot that, it is possible, you just need a linux computer or the ext2fsd driver in windows, I can't really give you the kernel from my installation of it since I understood yours is on the sd card and mine is on the internal memory.
And if you would like I can give you kboot already set up with the stock root kernel and all the 3 ics kernels to make it easier for you.
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Avanox said:
Ow ok will try tomorrow.
Euhm yeah urukdroid is no more on tablet I think I installed last sde firmware.
The kboot is that for switching between then Linux similar system and android 2.2 and android 4 and maybe urukdroid if I reinstall it (not necessary for the Moment?)
Yeah I will try out that kboot you may send it to me if you want. Maybe it's cool feature
Thanks in advance
Greetings
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If urukdroid was on the internal memory and you just installed the sde firmware it was not removed and I can send you my uruk kernel, if you first went to recovery and did a full format and then installed the full firmware and then the sde then it is no more on the tablet.
If it was on the sd card then nothing affected it unless you put the card in the pc and used something like minitool partition wizard to delete all partitions and I can not give you the kernel.
Yes, kboot is a chroot based multi-boot menu (think GRUB but unable to boot non-linux kernels, I think) and it allows booting android 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and linux distributions as ubuntu (although the ubuntu for archos files are gone but you can still use it to boot the kernel from OpenAOS and boot debian from that bootmenu, which will be the same boot menu you will get from android 4.0 though you can not boot stock or debian from that as the kernel is different, well you might be able to boot it but most things won't work, like wi-fi and the likes).
Ok, I will send you my already set up kboot but first tell me if your urukdroid instalation was on the sd card or internal memory and what you exactly did to the tablet cause then I might be able to throw in my uruk krenel and thus you will also once again have access to that as well.
Hello first of all I wanted to say I just got into android 4.4.
But when I start it up I get a lot of messages that are saying.
This application doesn't work anymore.
Any idea what this could be?
Hmm after looking I restarted it and now it works better the android 4.4
But how do you put something on the internal memory if I connect them with usb to laptop I can't acces the root with all my files.
Greetings
R
anomez;65030979 said:
If urukdroid was on the internal memory and you just installed the sde firmware it was not removed and I can send you my uruk kernel, if you first went to recovery and did a full format and then installed the full firmware and then the sde then it is no more on the tablet.
If it was on the sd card then nothing affected it unless you put the card in the pc and used something like minitool partition wizard to delete all partitions and I can not give you the kernel.
Yes, kboot is a chroot based multi-boot menu (think GRUB but unable to boot non-linux kernels, I think) and it allows booting android 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and linux distributions as ubuntu (although the ubuntu for archos files are gone but you can still use it to boot the kernel from OpenAOS and boot debian from that bootmenu, which will be the same boot menu you will get from android 4.0 though you can not boot stock or debian from that as the kernel is different, well you might be able to boot it but most things won't work, like wi-fi and the likes).
Ok, I will send you my already set up kboot but first tell me if your urukdroid instalation was on the sd card or internal memory and what you exactly did to the tablet cause then I might be able to throw in my uruk krenel and thus you will also once again have access to that as well.
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Avanox said:
Hmm after looking I restarted it and now it works better the android 4.4
But how do you put something on the internal memory if I connect them with usb to laptop I can't acces the root with all my files.
Greetings
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It is clearly stated that you can't access the internal memory via msc on the ics thread, only the sd card, and that is also true for any firmware that boots from an img file since the img is on the internal memory and that would mean cutting the system's access to itself=crash.
Ranomez said:
If urukdroid was on the internal memory and you just installed the sde firmware it was not removed and I can send you my uruk kernel, if you first went to recovery and did a full format and then installed the full firmware and then the sde then it is no more on the tablet.
If it was on the sd card then nothing affected it unless you put the card in the pc and used something like minitool partition wizard to delete all partitions and I can not give you the kernel.
Yes, kboot is a chroot based multi-boot menu (think GRUB but unable to boot non-linux kernels, I think) and it allows booting android 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and linux distributions as ubuntu (although the ubuntu for archos files are gone but you can still use it to boot the kernel from OpenAOS and boot debian from that bootmenu, which will be the same boot menu you will get from android 4.0 though you can not boot stock or debian from that as the kernel is different, well you might be able to boot it but most things won't work, like wi-fi and the likes).
Ok, I will send you my already set up kboot but first tell me if your urukdroid instalation was on the sd card or internal memory and what you exactly did to the tablet cause then I might be able to throw in my uruk krenel and thus you will also once again have access to that as well.
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Hello again,
Owkey now if I start up my tablet android 2.2.1 startsup
(firmware version: 2.4.83)
I did set the iso file from cyanobiz_BETA2.6.img on my internal memory.
So cm9 boots nice on the tablet but I must go first to the SDE (by pushing volume + ) then a see a white menu -> developer edition -> and chose cyonade and it start good
Urukdroid was installed on my sdcard but that doesn't start anymore as standard at moment. don't know why?
Before I started with cm9 I installed the latest SDE firmware for archos 10.1 gen8. (and the procedure to runb cm9)
Would it work with your kboot file so I can choose between:
android 2.2 (Archos),
Android 4 (CYANOBIZ)
Angstrom (openAOS)
urukdroid 1.6 (not in the menu)
Greeetings Avanox
Avanox said:
Hello again,
Owkey now if I start up my tablet android 2.2.1 startsup
(firmware version: 2.4.83)
I did set the iso file from cyanobiz_BETA2.6.img on my internal memory.
So cm9 boots nice on the tablet but I must go first to the SDE (by pushing volume + ) then a see a white menu -> developer edition -> and chose cyonade and it start good
Urukdroid was installed on my sdcard but that doesn't start anymore as standard at moment. don't know why?
Before I started with cm9 I installed the latest SDE firmware for archos 10.1 gen8. (and the procedure to runb cm9)
Would it work with your kboot file so I can choose between:
android 2.2 (Archos),
Android 4 (CYANOBIZ)
Angstrom (openAOS)
urukdroid 1.6 (not in the menu)
Greeetings Avanox
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Kboot will make it load at boot so it will go to the boot menu instead of stock 2.2 from where u can choose what to boot or (after a period of time) it will just boot your last selection.
Yes from Kboot you can choose to boot any of those though I really wouldn't recommend Angstrom (I don't even think you can still find a rootfs.img for it, if you still have it on your internal memory please upload) cause it is really limited and also I don't think OpenAOS made a kernel for Angstrom and it'll be quite hard to get the kernel from the SDL aos package (though I do have a kernel that can boot it directly, compiled from the stock 2.2 sources, NOT by me). In theory you can edit the menu.lst to launch Angstrom for it but remember you must edit it with Notepad++ and not any other windows text editor (notepad, word, etc) and you will need to know the format for booting a linux image file (I can tell you what that is) and just add the OpenAOS CM7 (gingerbread) kernel also and use that to boot Angstrom, never boot ANYTHING ELSE when loading the boot menu with the ICS kernel, you will have the same options but you must always remember you CAN'T launch anything else than ICS when launching the OpenAOS boot menu with the ICS kernel. But if you are actually interested in running linux I'd say just go the debianlxde way (download from OpenAOS site) as it is so way much better than Angstrom.
To boot UrukDroid you will need to either have linux installed on your PC/laptop or boot a live cd, put the MicroSD Card in a card reader and connect it and then search the uruk partitions to find the zImage and initramfs.cpio.gz (they might have some slightly different names) and put those in a new folder in the kboot os folder, of if you want I could probably unpack the UrukDroid install and update packages to find the right kernel for you but as I can't really remember what tools I need for doing that you will have to wait about 2-3 weeks (I have exams and also bought myself a Nintendo New 3DS XL that I plan to hard mod after I finish with the exams and do a nand dump and try to edit the firmware and flash it back to see what I can obtain so that's gonna take me about 1-5 days as I am not the best with soldering things on motherboards). You will also have to wait that exact same amount of time if you want me to tell you from where on the UD partitions to find the kernel files as I do not know myself and will have to search for them.
Not sure my question in subject is clear, so here's the thing...
I have dual-boot tablet with Android 5.0.1 and Windows 10 installed, and the model is Onda V80 Plus (32GB), if that matters at all.
I'm really having hard time rooting this device using standard methods (even with much of background knowledge and experience), so I was about to take a different route.
I installed Paragon ExtFS windows app which gives me read/write access to /system and /data android partitions (which have ext4 filesystem).
I was wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to gain root access in Android just by copying some files and changing some permissions or whatever from within Windows OS?
Basically, for those not familiar with ExtFS app, I can assign a drive letter to /system and /data partitions, and do whatever I want with them just like with any other drive or volume.
I'm aware that modifying ext4 partitions can render my Android OS unbootable, but I have a backup and would like to try it anyway as this is my last option.
When I look into SuperSU.zip file (which I always flashed through CWM/TWRP recovery to gain root access), I see many files which some lengthy script is copying all around, so I stopped after analyzing about hundred lines of code lol.
I really didn't find any method like this on the internet, so I wonder if that's even possible, and if it is, how would I go about it?
Thanks everyone.
Burs said:
Not sure my question in subject is clear, so here's the thing...
I have dual-boot tablet with Android 5.0.1 and Windows 10 installed, and the model is Onda V80 Plus (32GB), if that matters at all.
I'm really having hard time rooting this device using standard methods (even with much of background knowledge and experience), so I was about to take a different route.
I installed Paragon ExtFS windows app which gives me read/write access to /system and /data android partitions (which have ext4 filesystem).
I was wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to gain root access in Android just by copying some files and changing some permissions or whatever from within Windows OS?
Basically, for those not familiar with ExtFS app, I can assign a drive letter to /system and /data partitions, and do whatever I want with them just like with any other drive or volume.
I'm aware that modifying ext4 partitions can render my Android OS unbootable, but I have a backup and would like to try it anyway as this is my last option.
When I look into SuperSU.zip file (which I always flashed through CWM/TWRP recovery to gain root access), I see many files which some lengthy script is copying all around, so I stopped after analyzing about hundred lines of code lol.
I really didn't find any method like this on the internet, so I wonder if that's even possible, and if it is, how would I go about it?
Thanks everyone.
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Root needs a custom kernel. Not something you are gonna do with a Windows setup the way you have it. Also you will most likely not find anything as that is most likely not an official version of Android as Google doesn't allow dual booting.
Thanks for a reply. But I don't see what does custom kernel have to do with what I try to achieve? If I could, in my Windows environment, replicate the modifications that script inside SuperSU zip does to /system partition, I should gain root access, right? In theory that is, since I'm aware lots of things can go wrong. I was hoping someone could explain a bit what SuperSU script is doing when run inside custom recovery, so I try to do the same thing. Again, if it's possible, and if it's worth the time spent. But I have time, and I'm always willing to learn something new.
Burs said:
Thanks for a reply. But I don't see what does custom kernel have to do with what I try to achieve? If I could, in my Windows environment, replicate the modifications that script inside SuperSU zip does to /system partition, I should gain root access, right? In theory that is, since I'm aware lots of things can go wrong. I was hoping someone could explain a bit what SuperSU script is doing when run inside custom recovery, so I try to do the same thing. Again, if it's possible, and if it's worth the time spent. But I have time, and I'm always willing to learn something new.
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what su is doing is pulls the kernel and patches it. root access is defined in the kernel. what itnis doing in system is flashimg just the apk
Ok, I see. So if I ask someone who rooted the same model successfully to send me patched kernel, I could easily flash it in fastboot mode (my bootloader is unlocked). So only thing left to do would be to copy apk inside /system/app, and cross my fingers? I'll post my findings if I manage to do something worth writing about. Thanks.
I have same problem with you. I can't root my Onda V80 plus. I unlock bootloader, flash recovery for my device. Then, i put it into recovery mode and install supersu.zip over recovery. When i reboot this onda, it has stopped in onda logo.
bahuy2003 said:
I have same problem with you. I can't root my Onda V80 plus. I unlock bootloader, flash recovery for my device. Then, i put it into recovery mode and install supersu.zip over recovery. When i reboot this onda, it has stopped in onda logo.
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I managed to root my Onda few days after my last post, but forgot to post my findings, sorry. I didn't used any of my hacker's skills lol, but I researched a bit more and found out what I was missing. The same issue is with you, so you have to disable verity before flashing recovery by typing in these commands:
Code:
adb root
adb remount
adb disable-verity
adb reboot
After rebooting install supersu.zip, and the next boot won't hang on Onda logo anymore. Hope this helps you.
btw, note that not just any adb version has verity command line switch. You have to download newer adb version!
Thank you! I trie a lots times, but i can't make successfully!
Basic root procedure would be: unlock BL -> disable verity -> flash (temp) recovery -> install SuperSU
Here are the links containing all the files neccessary for rooting Onda V80 Plus: Mega | MediaFire
Note the ReadMe.txt inside archive. It contains list of adb/fastboot commands needed to be executed in order to successfully root the device.
Thank you very much! I download your file and root successfully my Onda V80 plus! It works well for me.