Hi All,
I came across a few articles online that suggest that the task managers/killers actually do more harm than good. As far as I know, the Android OS is pretty good at multitasking and managing apps when it is needed to free RAM/CPU.
Would like to hear input specifically regarding the X10 and how these apps affect the system and/or phone specially after the 2.1 update?
Thanks!
Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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I've read online about how closing some apps such as mediascape will affect your other media applications cos these services are tied together. But I've always killed all of the ones I don't see myself needing in the next hour or so, and nothing's ever really crashed for me heh.
But I do make it a point to close all apps before running quadrant. Very very pleased with my 730 score
som3noob said:
Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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Dumb question, how do you check the RAM?
Best get something like autokiller memory optimizer.
You generally don't need much ram free and if you don't use apps that will eat the hell out of your system in the bg then there's no problem at all.
I haven't used a task killer since switching to 2.1 and there's no performance problems.
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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gaolinde said:
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
By automatism, after I updated to 2.1 I installed advanced task killer, and at one point I noticed that, whean I had killed apps ammount of free RAM decereased ? So at that point, I uninstalled task killer to check will I notice any change in performance, and there was NONE I could notice, together with same battery duration.
So, so far I vote for no task killers.
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Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
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come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
gaolinde said:
come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
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Yeah I know we have custom ROMs. I was referring to the official update from SE. I know we will get the UXP update sometime in the future but, not sure if they will go as far as releasing a 2.2 update for the X10?
I don't use it anymore since on 2.1, when using it on 2.1 there's a lot of glitches and it DOES do more harm than good. I get better overall performance without it.
I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
alankstiyo said:
I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
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Yes but, according to Android developers, 2.1 automatically closes these idle programs to prevent that. They claim that android is capable of handling this and that any task manger apps are useless.
Read this article http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Since upgrade to 2.1, I installed Task Killer. It cleaned my memory to have available mem from 80MB to 150MB. However, it got some weired behaviour such as
- X10 got lag for a moment when the screen is just back on.
- when the screen is just back on, Wifi cannot reconnect. I have to disable and enable it again.
So I read to post of Android multitasking and I try it by disable AutoKill but keep the widget on the sceen to see the available mem.
My mem keep available around 70-80MB and X10 performance is increase. No more lag or have to re-enable wifi after screen is back on.
I already remove Taskkiller but installed Watchdog instead. Because there are some bad coding software out there which comsume the battery and CPU even you've exited. In such a case, I have to kill those apps manually.
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X10i Generic Android 2.1, rooted, JIT enable.
You want the memory to be as full as possible!!! This means that those often used tasks are there, waiting. This is not Windows! Stop forcing Android to reload everything from scratch! No wonder things are lagging for you.
I've done many experiment about it.
Here's few conclusion, everything you guys claims are all true.
Android is nix base, fulfilling ram mean more cache, more speed.
However, more process mean more CPU usage in some service.
Some softwares are not properly coded, it, unfortunately, doesn't release the resource when it exits
And it's also true that force killing it, will eat more battery because without properly closing, it will eventually open up again
I suggest, instead of killing a task using ATK.
try this one.
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller
It teaches android how to deal with the memory, so it's android who do your dirty job.
Hmm.... I take a look at at autokiller. I think it's better to let Android handle the mem for me. What I'm looking for is an apps that monitor backgound processes/apps that consumes CPU and memory which they should not.
Once identify those apps, I need to kill them individually.
Watchdog paid version suits me well on this purpose. I can put those apps in the blacklist. If they consumes more CPU in the background process, Watchdog will kill them automatically.
I may consider autokiller when I have of low memory warning from my X10 which is currently I have not.
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X10i Generic Android 2.1, rooted, JIT enabled.
I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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Try install these app
1. RamDroid
2. Advance Task Killer- set the killing frequency to 'switch screen off'
3. CpuTuner (setcpu)- i prefer use the 'ondemand' frequency cos i wan to conserve battery.
all free app.. and need rooted phones. it quite user friendly. jus play with it awhile, u'll know how to use.
PollPixx said:
I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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I'm using minfreemanager from market with aggressive option, what gives me ~70MB free RAM by the Android's native taskkiller. It's the best choice as of the 2.1 have a lot services running in backround and nobody should harm them.
Trust me, minfreemanager is your weapon against slowness
Hi, I run the latest Miui and in the morning when i unlock the phone it's freezed and
many apps are opened. The first one is Opera mini, dialer, mesages, gps software
and many others witch i've opened during the day.
I kill apps about every hour but the problem persists.
if anybody encountered this problem before. THANKS!
Android open the apps to keep them in RAM memory, to start them faster (they dont have to be loaded into RAM every time you want to use them). It's different from the Windows working, where the smoothness of the system depends on the free Ram. You should not worry about the opened apps, it's normal, don't kill them because it will cause those freezes it's difficult to explain, read about it, it was mentioned about million times
only kill apps when system is freezing
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Android open the apps to keep them in RAM memory, to start them faster (they dont have to be loaded into RAM every time you want to use them). It's different from the Windows working, where the smoothness of the system depends on the free Ram. You should not worry about the opened apps, it's normal, don't kill them because it will cause those freezes it's difficult to explain, read about it, it was mentioned about million times
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i'm not shore i made my self understood. The problem was that when i unlock the phone in the morning all those apps are really opened and to use the phone i have to kill all. The phone freezes.
I removed miniOpera and the phone was ok in the morning. I'll see the behaviour in the next days and i'll let you know. THANKS!
sadly, the apps whare oppened again in the morning.
Nothing to worried about it
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I should try to wipe cache and dalvik cache. I solved so many problems this way, but the truth i have never similar as you.
Or it cannot help, reinstall the rom the last stable one (2.4.6 maybe or Wiui 2.3.30 I used the last one without any error)
OK I have a milestone x2 on eclipse 2.2.1 that has started to lag alot lately RANDOMLY. It's mostly when I wake the phone it's like a complete crawl can hardly do anything an if a app does open it force closes. Something times it will get so bad until it reboots. Is there anything to look for? I clean the cache daily an it just started this bad lag
If if it is just unbearable, sbf. Then take it and run.
And btw- who????? MIKE JONES!!!!!!
Couple of things.
1, You might be overclocked too much which can cause instability or have the wrong governor choice or CPU speed settings.
2. You might be low on memory or have too many apps or active widgets, or a mis-behaving app. Try removing a few things.
cant overclock x2.. and how do i find out if i have misbehaving apps? i only have one screen with widgets. and memory sometimes is in the 80mb range is that too bad?? and how would i help with that problem?
Have you tried running the v6 supercharger or the mashup? And about the apps, what did you install right before this started happening?
Edit: also check your RAM status... go to settings --> applications --> running services and it will tell you at the bottom how much is used and how much is free.
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Hi all,
I thought that maybe others would benefit from my hours trying to find the reasons for my Rezound lagging. I am sure that many here know much more than I.
So this group of issues each helped improve my speed to now it feels like a fresh install again. I am running stock flyhalf kernel
1) Use LagFix to fstrim my partitions. I do a great deal with news apps and added/removing apps. Things got so slow in general especially when updates occurred in Play store. New installs now work great. Trimming made a big difference. Not all kernels support this. Be careful to have a backup before trimming--some have had bad results 1-2% of the time. 4.3 supposedly has trim built in. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2104326
2) Delete and clear accounts settings, contacts/calendar storage and cache. It seems that because I restored from nandroid or for some reason after being on the rom for a long time. Things got slow and some of my contacts would not sync. Also it seems that Exchange services even though not showing much usage in betterbatterystats was slowing down my Rezound. I think a sync was not occurring. So I did everything in this thread and again a big difference occurred and the entire device was more responsive. I cannot emphasize what a difference this made. The device would seem to lock up sometimes and then unfreeze. After this step, thinks were so much more fluid.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2310348
3) Apex 2.0.6 was having awful redraws lately. Seems it is this software release. So switched over to Nova for at least awhile. Now things are snappy again. I see that Apex 2.0.10 is out now so perhaps that fixed it.
I am using the original flyhalf kernel in 2.9.1 and have my clock at 96/1512.
A person may consider using Rom Toolbox or another tool like V6 Supercharger to modify OOM settings to a more aggressive stance as well. I tried this but then reverted back after 1-3.
Also it seems that some in the past have reduced redraws by using these settings in build.prop. I did not try this method either but was about to....
ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=1
ro.HOME_APP_MEM=40960
I hope this helps get rid of pesky lag for some. 1,2,and 3 each really helped my situation.
Hello all! I have searched XDA for a similar issue but can't seem to find anything. I find it hard to believe this hasn't been asked before, so I must be using the wrong verbiage.
For some reason, certain apps are getting killed off when they aren't the foreground app. I could be playing a game, hit the recents button and switch to hangouts to type out a text, switch back to the game, and the phone reloads the entire game. This is extremely frustrating as you can imagine, but games aren't the only apps this happens to as pretty much any app does this, with the exception of Hangouts and a few others. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it either, because it's not limited to only apps that take up large amounts of ram like games. I've checked my free ram available while running Hearthstone, and it never drops below 500 it seems. I am running SKyDragon's version 9.0, Sense 7, LP 5.02. I know LP had a memory hole issue when it first came out, but I thought the version of SkyDragon I have fixed it long ago. Thanks for any help!
Well Ok then. Does anyone know if this inherent to LP with the known ram issues or is this something else?
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Well Ok then. Does anyone know if this inherent to LP with the known ram issues or is this something else?
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Don't know if its a problem with LP in general. But Sense ROMs have always been notorious for high RAM usage, as well as aggressive killing of apps. You might try a GPE or AOSP ROM, to see if it helps.
Thanks for the reply. Is there any way to modify the phone's inherent management of apps and memory? The only thing I could find was changing the minfree values. I'm not super familiar with how exactly it works though. I've read a brief overview of it, but when I changed Empty App to a lower number (200), it doesn't seem to make a difference. I have a feeling I'm not understanding it correctly though. Like I said in my first post, the free RAM amount never dips below 500, so it's not killing apps because it's running low on RAM. smh
Can try a different kernel,memory is usually controlled there.