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if the new version of gingerbread comes out, i doubt that the camera would have support on our x10s, i think that sony ericsson will just give up on developing the gingerbread for our devices, cause the apps would be out dated due to the only use of the new.apk files that will have new parsing ways due to the honeycomb app support, i bought my x10 outright for 700 bucks and i would be reallly pissed off if they delay the update to 2.3 as they did to 2.1 when 2.2 was already out, i paid for a high end device and the stopped supporting us untll we heard about the 2.3 generic update that we where receiving, im very angry with them for just leaving us in the dust, when the x8 even has more support than our devices, if this happens, i want the x10 community to make a complaint to make sure that sony ericsson never is allowed to make a nexus device cause it seems to me that they just screwed us over with the x10. and it seems to me when they released the neo, arc and play, that they are wanting something, and if their developers couldnt handle making a device with a single core processor, how are they gonna support a dual core processor in a phone, they screwed up once and if i dont get an update past 2.3 because they started off with an outdated software in the beginning, this phone seems to be just a problem device, and why should anyone support them in the future, lets make sure if that they cant handle our phone, that they cannot handle a developers phone. lets complain as a group to the google developers, cause this is ridiculous, expensive device, problems and hardships = me as a customer very angry at a company, disappointment in the past is always a bad rep for the company, i do believe that google pics their nexus devices with the amount of success with the phone and the arc was like the second gingerbread device released. so most to sell because its a pretty awesome phone, there trying to prove that they can do it, but not support a high end phone, us as the community of x10 owners, can do this if its big enough
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The truth of the matter is that all things in the end die. The X10 has reached that point in the eyes of SE. Unfortunately, support for the X10 will be more than likely dead after the update. SE will be shifting focus on new phones and development. It is sad, but let's face it. Did SE continue updating the Xperia X1 after a year? Nope. I bought that thing for $800 and it broke 3 times on me in less than a year. Your $700 you used to buy the X10 was the price you paid to live on bleeding edge of fashion/technology. It is incredible that the X10 will even get 2.3 update. Also, do you know what is the difference between 2.4 and 2.3 is? Rumors are they are one and the same. With the Gingerbread update, our phones will be relevant for another 6months to a year (probably extended due to new custom roms). So in the end, be happy, enjoy the ride and get bigger better phone once it comes out.
i wanted a bigger phone, thats why i got the x10, the potentials of this device are endless. and with experimenting with the custom roms theres multiple problems. the number one problem is the camera, and then wlod reboots, i try to develop but i cant do it, i remember back in the days with my HTC Dream and Magic that they made them so customizable now sony wont even unlock our bootloaders. but they will unlock their new devices seems pointless, it would make life a whole lot easier if it was unlocked, but no we have to find different solutions, i wanted to keep this phone because it has a developers potential and in my opinion was one of the best phones at the time just before samsung released the galaxy s devices, in all of this, this phone had so much potential, and all that potential is down the drain
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Actually sir... there was two periods and it is therefore 3 run on sentences. Lol.
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Yes, this is a high end device, but in the world of smartphones, nothing lasts forever. I'm actually very surprised we even received 2.3.3. If a smartphone is out today, by tomorrow it will be old news. This is the new generation of smartphones sadly.
im 16 give it up if you look at multiple devices, alot are still receiving updates like the galaxy s devices. they started off with 2.1 and they received froyo, man froyo is the bomb, its my favorite android yet, i even like it more than gingerbread cause i find it more cleaner, i like all of android, but i think my next choice wont be sony ericsson, probably a Motorola atrix cause that thing is purely amazing, just playing with one instore, it makes me drool. Motorola has a really good track record so i think that they will be the next nexus holders, they definatly will be the tablet developer device holder for the first one whatever they will call it, and if they can pull off a huge 10 inch qHD display. peace ipad 2 but then apple will come out with SUPER BIGMASSSIVE RETNA DISPLAY CAN YOU SEE THE TEXT CLEARLY APPLE falling behind slackers
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im 16 give it up if you look at multiple devices, alot are still receiving updates like the galaxy s devices. they started off with 2.1 and they received froyo, man froyo is the bomb, its my favorite android yet, i even like it more than gingerbread cause i find it more cleaner, i like all of android, but i think my next choice wont be sony ericsson, probably a Motorola atrix cause that thing is purely amazing, just playing with one instore, it makes me drool. Motorola has a really good track record so i think that they will be the next nexus holders, they definatly will be the tablet developer device holder for the first one whatever they will call it, and if they can pull off a huge 10 inch qHD display. peace ipad 2 but then apple will come out with SUPER BIGMASSSIVE RETNA DISPLAY CAN YOU SEE THE TEXT CLEARLY APPLE falling behind slackers
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The Retina Display is not as great as you think it is. You will only have no pixels when your letters are very tiny or pictures... I wouldn't buy for that a motorola. Ever a motorola or lg is never a motorola or lg again. Just suckish companies, no support and phones fail. My lg and motorola were in one month gone. My x10 is still looking very new after more then 7 months of heavy use!
Brandon mckinney? From atlanta ga? You the guitar kid?
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im 16 give it up if you look at multiple devices, alot are still receiving updates like the galaxy s devices. they started off with 2.1 and they received froyo, man froyo is the bomb, its my favorite android yet, i even like it more than gingerbread cause i find it more cleaner, i like all of android, but i think my next choice wont be sony ericsson, probably a Motorola atrix cause that thing is purely amazing, just playing with one instore, it makes me drool. Motorola has a really good track record so i think that they will be the next nexus holders, they definatly will be the tablet developer device holder for the first one whatever they will call it, and if they can pull off a huge 10 inch qHD display. peace ipad 2 but then apple will come out with SUPER BIGMASSSIVE RETNA DISPLAY CAN YOU SEE THE TEXT CLEARLY APPLE falling behind slackers
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I dunno. I think that I would go with a new Galaxy SII when it comes out on a ATT frequency. I almost bought a Galaxy the last time, but the ergonomics and the bad GPS kept me away but I hungered for the 16G internal storage and the 1G ram, which are worse shortcomings of the X10, IMHO. I'm on 2.1, and I'm awaiting GB, and we'll see how it goes. Can't be bothered changing roms every day/week. Even with my contacts backed up, the market remembering all the apps I had/have, it's too much of a PITA to keep screwing around with it.
The atrix has some bad tech reviews, but it's certainly a fantastic concept and the second time around, it will be much better (with a quad core ;-) ).
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I dunno. I think that I would go with a new Galaxy SII when it comes out on a ATT frequency. I almost bought a Galaxy the last time, but the ergonomics and the bad GPS kept me away but I hungered for the 16G internal storage and the 1G ram, which are worse shortcomings of the X10, IMHO. I'm on 2.1, and I'm awaiting GB, and we'll see how it goes. Can't be bothered changing roms every day/week. Even with my contacts backed up, the market remembering all the apps I had/have, it's too much of a PITA to keep screwing around with it.
The atrix has some bad tech reviews, but it's certainly a fantastic concept and the second time around, it will be much better (with a quad core ;-) ).
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yeah ill probably wait, i dont need a phone really untill when i can use it as a full laptop, Quad core would be amazing, 1.2ghz How undervolted would that thing be,
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Brandon mckinney? From atlanta ga? You the guitar kid?
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no im from canada, theres alot of people named after the exact same name as me, but i spell mine different from most, with an e before the n instaad of o
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if the new version of gingerbread comes out, i doubt that the camera would have support on our x10s, i think that sony ericsson will just give up on developing the gingerbread for our devices, cause the apps would be out dated due to the only use of the new.apk files that will have new parsing ways due to the honeycomb app support, i bought my x10 outright for 700 bucks and i would be reallly pissed off if they delay the update to 2.3 as they did to 2.1 when 2.2 was already out, i paid for a high end device and the stopped supporting us untll we heard about the 2.3 generic update that we where receiving, im very angry with them for just leaving us in the dust, when the x8 even has more support than our devices, if this happens, i want the x10 community to make a complaint to make sure that sony ericsson never is allowed to make a nexus device cause it seems to me that they just screwed us over with the x10. And it seems to me when they released the neo, arc and play, that they are wanting something, and if their developers couldnt handle making a device with a single core processor, how are they gonna support a dual core processor in a phone, they screwed up once and if i dont get an update past 2.3 because they started off with an outdated software in the beginning, this phone seems to be just a problem device, and why should anyone support them in the future, lets make sure if that they cant handle our phone, that they cannot handle a developers phone. Lets complain as a group to the google developers, cause this is ridiculous, expensive device, problems and hardships = me as a customer very angry at a company, disappointment in the past is always a bad rep for the company, i do believe that google pics their nexus devices with the amount of success with the phone and the arc was like the second gingerbread device released. So most to sell because its a pretty awesome phone, there trying to prove that they can do it, but not support a high end phone, us as the community of x10 owners, can do this if its big enough
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dude! Chill!
You got xda! I believe apart from camera, xda will do a wonderful job in making a better rom for it! Chill
you need to calm down lol cant expect se to bring updates out forever im happy with 2.2 personally
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Chill....
Your phone will be out of date....
Deal with it.
I think a lot of angst is created because of the 'mighty 1GHz' processor in the x10, people assume that is is nearly as fast as the current-gen snapdragons etc. It isn't. The graphics are sub-par and the memory is slow. Sure the x10 is fast and can keep up nicely with its own generation of devices but it is not 'new'.
Recently Google have been changing their attitude to releasing honeycomb to tablet manufacturers and guess what, many devices are not going to be compatible. Take the Advent Vega tablet, packing a first-gen Tegra 2 processor, its not going to be officially supported, so there will not be proper hardware acceleration for the interface and probably only sdk builds of honeycomb.
Dang...
Google are changing the way they release their operating systems and changing the requirements for manufacturers to get the latest official build of their software. This is going to help with fragmentation and give a more consistent experience across devices. They are also aiming for a longer release cycle on each version of android. As ice cream is going to be based heavily on honeycomb, I would think that Google would add similar restrictions and it is likely that the snapdragon in the x10 would not be supported, if so, neither would the nexus 1 or the desire etc.
There is nothing Sony can do about this, sure they made mistakes with the x10, but hey, they have promised us gingerbread and have given us dual touch. If you look at the ark, play etc, SE seems to have taken alot of peoples views into account and have realised that if they don't give the absolute bleeding edge version of android people will whine and ***** that they don't have flash or apps2sd or the biggest release number. If you care, root, flash a rom, install apps2sd, whatever you want to do. If you care, you can do something about it.
And finally about the bootloader, the devs have found ways around it and are giving us fresh kernels, I would not completely write off SE's argument that it is licensing issues as these can make a huge difference and complicate the process - A process that is SE's porogative anyway. Even on my Nokia n800, one of the most open devices, Nokia had decided that it didn't want to pay the licence to Imagination Technologies for use of the PowerVR graphics on the SoC's it bought, hence, no graphics coprocessor...
I think Sony gets too much flak, sure it took ages for 2.1, and it is taking a while for gingerbread, but the phone works, solid as a rock in fact and it only crashes because I have seriously fk'd around with the settings, I can deal with that. My phone is out of date, but I don't care, I am a tinkerer and I can make it do everything I need, I am looking forward to gingerbread as I love the camera too much on stock, but I have jit, link2sd, barnacle wifi tether and all sorts of other mods. Gingerbread will be great, and will definitely tide me over to my next dual core Ice cream toting superphone..... when it comes out...
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@tomh235, what a wonderful post man, u just truly explain what android is all about let me explain.
I was once an iphone fiend, stuck with my 3gs, jailbreaked, and it bricked due to mods that i've tryed, I wanted to upgrade to the iphone 4 and couldn't cuz it was reserved for new customers first, I tryied through many ways and it was almost like the contract I was about 2 sign was saying "in exchange of your unborn child". People around me was trying everything 2 get an iphone 4 and when I had a look at this, I was like that's it, what else. The seller was saying "its a revolution in the smartphone world and bla bla bla". When I look at the androids, he couldn't tell me nothing about it. So I dare myself with the xperia x10. I should have read more about the phone before getting one though lol but Ive learned so much bout computers, technology, linux, im no dev but a good tester/user. I will never go back to an iphone promise.
What i wanna send as a statement is that if you are the kind of people that always go to your carrier cuz your phone isn't snappy from time to time or really need regular updates and baby like support,stick to your iOs that works good for most people. If your the kind of user that isn't scare of tweaking, searching for mods, get an android. There so much different phones, OS, features, roms. Nothing 2 bored about. Xperia x10 is okay on froyo, waiting for official gingerbread, no regret about my 3GS that i replaced the screen and sold it 400$ loll iphone fiends.
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I was just reading this article and wanted to see what our community thinks about it...
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247
With them unlocking the newer phones seems like a way to try to keep alive...
Meh. They've been in trouble for a while now in my opinion. Their phones have been alright but none of them really stand out anymore. Even the Play fell far short of what it could have been (seriously, all they needed to do was release with ff7 on there and they would have killed it ).
It'll be a shame if it happens but it's possible if things don't pick up for them .
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
Well thats the sad part. Play was supposed to be like their ACE under the hand but... Just fell short... I hope they REALLY start listening to us and it looks like they are starting like rolling out the X10 update. If they want to survive there ginna have to adapt...
that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
Just crap xD
Its funny how you can see a video to compare xperia arc and the super duper trooper SGS2 and the experia Arc with single core its basically the same phone xD
SE always got phones that looks at least 1 year older than competence (hardware) but they always do the same and sometimes do better that some ultra super duper phones.
I dont think SE will come down that way =P
Sorry for my bad english! _o/
I think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But Q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, SE had an 8 million euro profit in Q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for Android, I don't think there would be an SE anymore :O
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i think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, se had an 8 million euro profit in q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for android, i don't think there would be an se anymore
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yup... That symbian os was holding them back...
read the article more carefully people, they'll drop the Ericsson name and call it just Sony, they're not going out of business yet.
It won´t happen so many time hearing this rummors i think that SE is upgrading the strategy they went through a very bad year in 2010 but now it seems to be different they are giving the costomers a very good catalog in phones and with verry good quality a little more time and SE will be at the top again you´ll see that
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http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I think when SE will get a lil more profit, they will start releasing better phones. But I don't care anymore I'm moving to HTC/Samsung for my next phone.
I was just reading this and I'm like wtf?
If only HTC makes a better camera and Samsung not mimicking the iOS..
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up.
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agreed looks wise there nice but in terms of performance i can name a few that are better.
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that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
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They say you get what you deserve in life. They have themselves completely to blame for all their troubles.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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A dual core phone is nothing unless the software is designed to take advantage of it, which is currently the case. Google has stated that Honeycomb is the only version of Android that supports multiple threads/CPUs.
So until Google updates the phone OS to support it don't buy into the gimmick.
SE phones are usually Expensive with Not lastest hardwares.watch price of Xperia arc and SG2 .... samsung is much cheaper and have last hardwares.definitely my next phone will be HTC/samsung
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/10/06/sony-close-to-buying-out-ericsson-from-jv/
Sony Ericsson turned 10 years old, and now Sony is rumoured to be about to buy out Ericsson (25,000 patents, major employer)...so...will they keep the name and logo? Sony Ericsson? Or will Ericsson fully disappear and Sony returns to the mobile marketplace? Wow...Ericsson to be bought out by Sony.....
Never heard about something like that...
It would be strange ... Just see "Sony" on my phone...
Do you have any websites that speak of that ?
Check the link! It's a good link! A credible source!
And yes, Sony launched their own phones many years ago, but didn't get much market share.
Seems to be serious the picture let me think we won't have the green logo any more ?
Aw, sad... Anyway i'm waiting the Defy+ in France
This rumour has been in the evening press here in sweden a couple of days ago, seems like the economic journalists that i have read means that it is most logical that sony buys ericsson out, and both will probably be winners if this happens.
I am not so sure, thinking that ericsson has been making phones (stationary and mobiles) for almost an eternity and much of ericssons identity will be lost if this happens, but i am not an expert, more likely a noob
As a Swede, you opinion is very important...I believe Ericsson has been around a long time and is a very well respected company.
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As a Swede, you opinion is very important...I believe Ericsson has been around a long time and is a very well respected company.
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The first phone i remember from my childhood was a ericsson (stationary of course), but this is around 40 years ago
My father was working at the swedish national tele company (televerket was its name at that time, now its namned telia) and the ericsson logo was almost everywere at our home, and on cable drums, cables, phones etc.
So ericsson means a lot for many swedes i think, the only company that is more swedish than ericsson is volvo i guess, and volvo is really close to many hearts in this country
personally i rather drive saab , but the best mobile i have own was ericsson r310s
If they merge and Sony comes into the scene, maybe they are expecting some rise in the market. These guys are not up to the top notch like samsung or moto (or even apple!).
SE had a good chance to show the world who they are but they did not. im sorry to put the fans down here in the forum but i feel they should change.
I wonder if they will still stay the same after they change.....? My goodness! it's time i change to another phone, cause we are history!
(just my thoughts above, not to put anyone down)
Yes, I'm concerned because Sony's previous venture into the mobile market was unsuccessful. They had some OK phones but never got much market share. So they want to try again? What's new? If they try the same things again...it would be a waste.
I don't think all the innovation in SE today is coming from Sony. Some things yes, they are obvious e.g. Bravia, Walkman etc. but Ericsson has been doing this for decades, and they have frequently put out unique phones and earned good money and market. But I guess something's not working well in the joint venture today. SE might be selling well in Europe (3rd biggest Android seller in the 6 biggest markets) but global market share I read a few days ago is at about 1.5%. So indeed...something's not working well. And I still can't figure out what SE did when the iPhone came in 2007 and changed the marketplace. SE's share just died, like Nokia is today.
I am hopeful too though. Maybe they will do it well. Who knows. But, Sony products are quite expensive...
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But, Sony products are quite expensive...
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Then thats the time we will do the new transition of changing to another phone!
i dont own a ps3 or psp, but i like the hardware and stuff Sony uses in them. we expected the same with the phone industry and nothing new came. the new phones come to mock the devs or the rivals. look at the samsung galaxy 2, something that had lot of pep power with dual core 1.2...etc. at the same time our guys released the Arc which is just a updated version of the X10. Meaningless! SE is still in their rock ages while all the rivals are in the 21st century!
It's always sad whenever i read articles by Eldar Murtazin from mobile-review.com, i have to put thumbs down for SE because they are not upto the top notch.
but even through all these negatives i have to agree i have a lot of experience with SE. dad first had a K700i, then a P1i, now my W705i. I had a Moto V3i, then upgraded to W705i then i passed to my dad and got this X10 Mini Pro.
i loved the easiness of the software. even through all the negatives, i liked it.
Still, they would have improved all these years.....
Really sad about these guys...
well, we will wait and see.
Evolve or die and i guess it's se time to die. It's a shame because their phones had a great design but it's kind of expected because their mid and low range phones were pieces of ****. They had some great phones like K800i the x10 mini with great specs and value for money but with zero respect for their supporters as we saw on the X10, mini, pro support, they had us stuck at 1.6 and they gave us an 2.1 when the rest of the world had 2.2.
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Evolve or die and i guess it's se time to die. It's a shame because their phones had a great design but it's kind of expected because their mid and low range phones were pieces of ****. They had some great phones like K800i the x10 mini with great specs and value for money but with zero respect for their supporters as we saw on the X10, mini, pro support, they had us stuck at 1.6 and they gave us an 2.1 when the rest of the world had 2.2.
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Could not agree more. I was really angry about lack of support on this and even locked bootloader so nobody could make custom kernel.
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Could not agree more. I was really angry about lack of support on this and even locked bootloader so nobody could make custom kernel.
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Why is it that a company, joint venture of course, but a company none the less that did quite well up until the smartphone era, failed so badly when it came to the new generation of tech? I mean its not even about their hardware, its more about the support they gave us, mainly on the 2010 xperia range? How did they benefit from anything they have done in the past say 2-3 years?
Personally i love my mimmi, its a great phone, but i think that its time to let go of the past and look to the future, maybe HTC.
Just my 2 cents,
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i think this is great news actually!!
when one company takes over another sizable company, usually they leave their identity and work culture etc independant.. they only replace the badge on the front door of the company... so we'll probably still get SE phones... just with "Sony" written on the front
For sony it's great cause they now can stand up to the mighty iphone (possibly even fight back).. for Ericsson, I dunno their financial situation but they should now have full Sony backing... they will not have an identity in the smartphone region... hopefully sony doesnt meddle too much with the ericsson development office and they should be fine.
the only people affected will be the swedes... suddenly they'll be out of Ericsson phones!!!
It has been announced, Sony is buying out Ericsson in the mobile joint venture.
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...ire-ericsson-s-share-of-sony-ericsson-1036892
Yes, and i think that i sucks...
But hopefully Sony starts to make really great phones, i believe that ST-ericson will stand behind them......
M.v.h bomrk44
It must be said though that Sony used to make phones too, about 10 years ago. They were relatively slick and some unique features, but they did not get much market share. So, I'm not convinced they'll do a better go the second time.
However, in their new statment Sony talked about connecting the whole family of Sony products. This is exactly like what Apple has done (and has more planned) and Microsoft is doing (connecting Windows, Windows Phone 7, Xbox) etc. so just maybe Sony will pull it off this time.
Two things about Sony phones that I don't look forward to:
1. Proprietary 'closed' formats
2. Typical Sony high prices. I read a recent article pointing out that you should never expect a cheaper Sony laptop - it doesn't fit in with their brand portfolio, place in the market etc.
In my opinion Sony can try to connect Playstation with smartphones like Microsoft connect Xbox Live with Windows Phone..
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Hi all,
I ask this question now as I wait for a dev. of ICS for my phone to progress.
Before I bought my phone, I read a review saying that it was one Android version behind but to the reviewer, the version numbers are over-hyped and in reality the phone was great. I should say I bought the phone in August 2010 and it was released May/June that year.
Even reading this, being in this forum, we're a part of a very small per centage of people who understand anything that goes on here, or even the title of this thread. I don't mean that in a -we're brilliant- way, rather that most of us are a little tech-crazy. But do we take it too far? Does 4.0 make your mouth water but 2.1 bores you?
Are there some real benefits to the newer versions? Yes, sure. A few more features, sometimes faster UI, better battery times. I have heard of a few phones out there which had significant benefits and very popular new features e.g. tethering, some camera stuff etc. But beyond this? There is a LOT of gimmicks, crap people like to show off to their friends and all of that, which bored me beyond the age of 20. I got my first phone aged 11. I've been getting phones a few times a year almost every year since. One mega-problem I have with these 'smartphones' is that there have been largely missing basic features which were in the 'feature phones' before them. They've been selling us half-featured phones and dribbling back the rest on 'updates'.
I mean this in a philosophical way - not a critical one. I'm not questioning the validity of this forum (or I wouldn't be here ) and I hope that's clear. What do you all think?
Well?
your parents let you have a phone at 11? and then bought you more then one a year since? wow!
Now don't get the impression I'm desperately wealthy!!! My uncle worked in international business and gave me his old one. I remember even at 11 he mentioned things like 'it's not public yet but Ericsson and Sony are going to merge their mobile business' and I was already hooked on business. I bought I think every phone after that myself, no parents!
Every major release usually has an overall system performance improvement.
But other than that it seems to be a hyped up gimmick.
^^^^ That's precisesly what I've been coming to think. Who doesn't want slightly better memory management to improve battery, some features you use etc. but beyond that I'm afriad it's gimmick-central.
I have to add the psychological aspect of this and marketing particularly.
i agree since samsung swcred t-mobile with sidekick 4g with a subpar camera ,froyo , weak processor 1ghz(alot of lags), and no support , meanwhile 3 or 4 months later a bunch of phones comes with better specs at the 99 price range
Bought my phone with 2.1 installed. Used it like that for a week or so then updated to official 2.2. No difference at all.
Then came the 2.3.4. Everything is the same. Then 2.3.7. Same again.
I use my phone as a phone and a navigation device. So these updates do me no good. Release of Navigon for android was big news for me. I can't say the same thing for the 2.3.
Yeah that's pretty the same for me. The few updates I've had have at least speeded boot time and UI lag is less. It actually came with 1.6, upgraded to 2.1 and nothing since. There's a 2 year support for updates says Sony Ericsson, this was before the Google agreement. Like the guy above, an updated version of the phone was released 1 year later with incredible specs for much cheaper, but I paid a lot for it first time around.
I suppose people are used to upgrade their phones without really using them often.
Samsung Galaxy S III is a mighty beast? Agreed. Does it have the meanest specs? It does. Can it be upgraded to Android's latest when it comes? Might not be.
S III reviews are coming out and here's a quote from The Verge's review-
"One thing that goes consistently overlooked with respect to Samsung’s phones is the company’s ignominious track record with Android software updates. There may be worse offenders out there, but Samsung’s chronic failure to update its devices on time (or at all) is a significant black mark for a brand looking to lead the way in almost every other respect. Thus, as much as I may enjoy the Galaxy S III today, I have to temper that enthusiasm with the knowledge that its long-term future may not be as rosy as that of a stock Android device"
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/25/3042640/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review
The Galaxy S II ICS update hasn't come to India yet where Sony is almost ready to release ICS updates for their low-end range in a week, despite S II being a flagship. People in this forum are constantly doubting Sony's commitment to their customers. I don't know why but they should never. For a company which is willing to support the developer community for the greater good, nothing speaks more trust than that. So if you worried about the ICS update or future updates about your XPERIA S, never worry. Just wait for a couple of weeks more and you will get it.
So will you trust Sony?
i owned an xperia x10->ray and now xperia s.
the xps is a very good phone i can say is fantastic, i played some howers a go a game made by qualcomm it self (snapdragon) the game is Desert wind still in very very alpha and not even completed and i can say that game completly destroys all tegra 3 games i ever seen!
but lets be honest the galaxy s3 is a better phone in many aspects, is a newer high end phone is normal to be better, not only for the futures he comes with but for the hardware to, if i should buy a new phone right now i'll wait for the galaxy s 3!
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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Even my X10 MP could run ICS. But that's marketing. It has been like that and always will be.
Xperia for life..
Sony simply love the aftermarket developers, users need.
They are social company, not some kind of competitor like apple or samsung, they aiming only for money..
Sony aim also on money, but taking in mind care of users, satisfaction of user, being reliable, accepting if they mistake in something (arc case, xperia s screen) and wiling to repair it for free...
what do you need more?
great phone poor support
i cant think of many reasons, and i have the xperia s,
it has a better screen (ppi) and i prefer the look of the xperia s, when ics comes to the xperia s i might be able to find more however with the s3 having a much larger battery, current reviews(benchmarks) say it has twice the standby time of the htc one x,
although samsung have fallen in the update area, sony have been far from good with theres with something as small as firmware and ics, three, tmobile and orange have all released there version of the .73 firmware to fix the battery drain issue and there is no generic version released as yet and wont be for some weeks, i developed the yellow tint on my first xperia s and had to wait 6 weeks for my phone to be returned, not sure what samsung are like at this but from my point of view i paid £400 for as phone that went dead after 42 days !!!! i should have had a replacement set to me not a repair
then there is ics which has a big stamp on the box saying its upgradable, the one x comes out with it, the 2011 range get it and still another month or two wait for there so called flagship to recieve the update when samsung s2 recieved the upgrade before sony got it to the 2011 range aswell,
sony were once the best in the market but now there one of the worst for it,
as much as i love the phone to pieces and wouldnt swap it for anything else on the market at the moment the support from sony and the timely updates are appalling,
i even had a chat with sony support and asked when the 73 firmware update will be released for generic uk users and his response was "do you mean ics" further training needed too i think,
plus on the xperia s
screen
camera
playstation certified
panorama 3d photos,
hdmi support
styling (see thru cap at bottom is a very good touch esp in a dark room/club)
plus on the samsung
processor
lte version to be released
additional micro sd slot ( i know 32gb is enough but what about when you want to print photos direct from the phone in store) micro sd does come in handy
ics already pre installed,
better browsing due to ics
better multitaksing due to ics the list can go on
when xperia s gets ics i still think the xperia s will be the better phone as you dont need a quad core nowadays but it has to be listed as a pro for the s3, i doubt you will get the use of it for another year or so until some advanced apps come out,
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
Sent from my FONY Xperia S using XDA premium!
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The Samasung track record for updating is much much worse than Sony. Sony is one of the best when it comes to updating for Android. Also I would rather have them wait and release an almost perfect version than push out a crummy one. Go test the HTC One series which have lag issues in ICS and you will see what I mean.
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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You should try owning a Motorola if you think Sony have done you a disservice.
Fanboi threads are fail. Sony lost alot of good will with the fiasco that was the x10. Samsung ran rings around them and to be fair, and speaking as an S user, they still do. Updates? Sony vs Samsung? It's a no brainer. The S2 didn't get to where it is by shoddy after market support, quite the contrary. If it wasn't for the vast number of pissed off customers the x10 would still be running 2.1. Sony lovers devs? The lols just keep coming. All the aftermarket devs have done has been to show just how incompetent Sony are, how they try to hoodwink their less tech savvy customers by spinning utter bull**** about hardware limitations etc... And the list goes on. 3 months down the line im still waiting to be able to have some fun with my S. Silly me, should have held on to my brilliant S2 and waited for a proper phone by a manufacturer that knows how to please the masses.
Well, I would never, ever consider the Xperia S over the S3. Never. Xperia S in my opinion is a competitor of the GNex. S3? No.
The Hayabusa will be that phone.
And about the updates, remember that Carriers are the biggest problem, specially in these cases of "not in my country!"
And didn't Sony just said they won't update the Xperia Play? I mean, seriously?
lol where is the update for the original flagship arc? They updated the mid end neo V and ray but not the arc how wonderful!! And did you hear they cancelled the update for the xperia play despite "promising" it?
Wait wait where is the update for the xperia S for that matter? Are you even serious making this topic? So what if the S2 update hasnt reached india yet? It's pretty simple to put another country firmware, you really dont need indian firmware just because one lives in india. There is hardly any difference.
Samsung has bad support for their mid end and low end phones yes thats true but it doesnt apply in the slightest bit to their flagship. The galaxy S was one of the first phones after nexus S to get gingerbread. Galaxy S wasnt updated to ICS but neither was any other phone from it's time.
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
jonmorris said:
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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If you cut down the SGSII variants that are a problem of the carriers, the number of devices goes down.
Plus, they should be working in the update of the Xperia S even before it's release. I dunno why they did this the way they did. They screwed up big time IMO.
jonmorris said:
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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HTC is updating most of it's phones as well, even the desire HD which was launched in 2010!! You cant expect them to update something like the wildfire S with a 600mhz CPU and 512MB ROM. The minimum xperia phone getting updated is 1Ghz CPU and 1GB ROM.
Samsung did mess up yes but not on their flagship, do you even know the S2 has started shipping with ICS out of the box? The verge reviewer has no idea what he is talking about.
I never recommend the cheaper samsung phones to anyone but to try to put the S3 in a negative spot because of how samsung treats it's cheaper phones is ridiculous.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii_in_india_is_now_shipping_with_android_40_ics-news-4273.php
The reviewer of The Verge is the guy who got his heart broken by Samsung in the release of the S3.
I'm just pleased to see that he did gave a 0 to the phone.
Another plus for the S3, the dev support it will have will likely be unprecedent. It's already the most preordered gadget in history (sure, the number is much higher than the real purchases because some people have pre ordered different collors and memory amount just to be safe).
Motorola sucks. I hope that with it's new CEO things will change there and they get back on the right track of producing great phones. My Motorola Milestone (2009) is able to run CM9 with it's OMAP3 550mhz (overclocked at 1ghz) and 256mb of RAM, pretty impressive for a device with a locked bootloader, IMO.
I agree with you that Xperia S is better, but your reason isn't right. The thing is everyone's impressed with the s3's specs like qead-core processor although it is something you definitely don't need these days. You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
Long story short, Samsung is putting a lot of effort on over mighty specifications you don't need, maybe just for the once who compare it to the S by specs only. The ICS delay is annoying I must say, but it is not that terrible.. Another month is not THAT much.
Xperia S is sexy, awesome display and camera, and very fast. Sony is my choice.
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MasterLinuxer said:
You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
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They said the same thing about 1Ghz single core CPU's, they always say xyz will always be enough forever but it is never the case. The biggest limitation of xperia S is actually the GPU which really could have been better for 720p resolution. 1.5Ghz dual core CPU and 1GB ram would not cause any issues for a long time.
Xperia S camera is not better just because it has more megapixels. I would think the camera is just about equal on both, the great feature the xperia S has is camera button.
And xperia has faster processor? lol wut?
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
Sent from my FONY Xperia S using XDA premium!
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Did Samsung Galaxy S get ICS? And mind u, Samsung sold a butt load of those.
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To a few people here, easy guys. Let's have a constructive discussion and not a bashing one. I for one am not a Sony representative and am quite an objective gadget lover - have many devices including an iPod touch (because I love Apple's OS fluidoty), a Galaxy S2, the Xperia S and the Ray. It makes sense to love everything
Now to the point I wanted to make. Companies should sometimes care about customers too. The fact that X10 got 2.3 is huge. Do you remember Samsung's first galaxy having anything more than 1.6? Do you remember the HTC Hero with more than 2.1? Sony never left these customers in the lurch. Asking for ICS when you bought the X10 is like wishing for lifetime ice-cream supply.
I will tell you another case which I think everybody should know. Samsung quietly replaced the S2 I9100 with I9100G a couple of months ago in the Indian market. What do you say is all the fuss eh? The chipset inside is not a dual-core Exynos or Mali GFX chipset. It's replaced by Cortex A9 and PowerVR SGX540. The processor was underclocked. The GPU was inferior. Asked Samsung on Twitter and they said that chipsets have been replaced but they have similar performance. Benchmarks around the world suggested otherwise. So is Samsung being very clever? Would you like to buy something that is a lie and a false promise in the first place? They just released this model in developing markets because there was a Exynos shortage for European markets so they realised why not fool the mindless buyers of lowly markets!
And I have one question at the end of this - WOULD YOU HAVE ACCEPTED SUCH MANIPULATIVE MARKET PRACTICES?
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Hardware debate again. The only valid argument for GSIII is its hardware.
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