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EDIT: As Michy has asked for graphics requests, he apparently already has something in mind for his 5.2 / 6.0. Yea! So be sure to post with any requests as to what you want the next ROM to look like.
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You have to hand it to Michy. 4.1 and 5.1 are both fast, smooth, and (almost completely) trouble-free ROMs with tons of useful programs. And for both SPLs!
To tell the truth, until I flashed 4.1, I had regretted HardSPLing my device. Most of the ROMs I tried up until then were troublesome and just as slow as my stock WM6.0.
So in a way, this post is thanks to Michy. Gran bel lavoro Michy!
In another way, it is a request for something new. I know I am not the only one on this forum that gets nervous if he hasn't flashed a new ROM this month... I'm feeling the itch! I need my fix!
Anyway, thought it might be interesting to see what kind of ROM people wanted. Give your vote and comments please.
hi,
please just add your graphic-style request, so i can have an idea for a 5.2/6.0.
bye
Michael,
Good to see you are considering a new rom. In truth your 5.1 seems flawless and it's hard to imagine how much better you can make it. Thanks for your great work.
One suggestion I would give to make your next ROM easier to understand is: if you are going to include lots of apps like you usually do, it might be a good idea to put them in folders in the start menu according to their usage.
A Multimedia folder could contain YouTube Player, TCPMP, MP3Trimmer, Camera, Audio Manager, and Album links.
VoipCall, Slick, Messenger, Fring, Flash SMS, Call Firewall and others could be grouped in a Communications folder.
And some things like FTouchFlo, GSen CFG, GSen, GSenToggle, IContactConfig, PDM, PocketScreen, PIM Backup, PsShutXP, QuickGPS, RegEditor, SIM Manager, SynchroTime etc, etc, could easily be put in the Tools folder you usually include.
By doing this, you allow the person using the ROM to have easier access to the programs that they install. Because people are more likely to frequently use the programs that they install, rather than ones that come pre-installed.
Another suggestion is about the applications you include with your ROMs. I think I understand your logic in including lots of apps: the space is there in the ROM, so you might as well use it as long as the apps don't degrade performance. That's strong logic, and I agree with it. My suggestion is to only include apps that have reached a developmental dead-end; i.e. apps that are stable, and are no longer currently being developed. For example TCPMP, VNCViewer, and DotFred's Task Manager aren't updated very frequently - they make perfect additions to your ROM. Other apps, like YouTube, Manila 2D/3D, S2U2, ThrottleLauncher etc, are still in active development and can/should be updated from time to time. It is possible to update and install over the apps in the ROM, but then you have just wasted that space in the ROM.
As far as graphics are concerned, I am of two minds.
1) I have always really liked the touch/kaiser grey-on-white-with-blue-highlights. Very professional.
2) However, recently I have flashed my Hermes with PDACorner's Pro V.25 and I really appreciate the usefulness of the colors he uses in his status bar. Colors like that would really be useful against the flat black bars of the DiamondVGA.tsk you always include... They take a little getting used to, but make it really easy to know what is going on with your phone with simply a glance.
And this is a light and robust little Comm Manager that looks great with the skin in post eight.
And as always, thanks for your consideration. I wish I had the time, patience and talent to build such ROMs.
Not much more to add from my side, thanks larsuck!
- Make it as fast as possible without losing 5.1 stability
- Ahm...make both startup gifs like the ones from AP4.0, just with your name (I know, plagiate, but it looks great)
- Real-VGA, all programs/thumbnails should work and look according to chosen dpi, especially with 128dpi (seems to be the best choice)
- Remove time&date permanently from taskbar, so that all buttons can be seen and clicked without problems
- In short: please make it look like the original x7510 screen
Program wishes: maybe some program for real contacts import/export with edit-function on PC, I'm currently using xmlcontactsbackup but perhaps there are better choices.
Many thanks
just to renew my ROMs, i'm going to make a 5.1 Last Build Edition, with the last build i found on xda (20921). If this build will work well.......you'll have a new rom to falsh
There we go again weare just a bunch of rom addicts,lol, so far I been playing wit 5.1 is nice and respond qick only problems found so far is the bluetooth stack, (if the new build has something as AP4 Ill be in heaven) and Slic if I try to use it will give a BSD with a message saying fatal system exception or something, that was funny because it was the first time I have seen a BSD in WM, no a biggie for my I just do not use the app .
The programs included are useful but I rather get rid of duplicates e.g if you think icontact is better than stock contact manager get rid of the stock one( Im not complaining on that ,you have done a good job there so far).
the graphics just keep them consistent across the rom e.g not a black today a green communications and a white phone screen.
And if touchflow 3D was included working reliably that would be a plus.
Larsuck mention below to add mature apps only to the rom, I do not agree, why, because we will flash to newer roms during the development of the app so if a rom has the latest opera and a newer one appear we will have a newer rom sooner with the newer opera or whatever anyway, and because when a app reach its end of development time usually means that there are newer apps better and so its no point to keep developing the oldest ones ( not always the case) so as long the apps in the rom are solid stable just include what you think is useful.
Great job Michi and many thanks
I ask for two things...but only one is possible me thinks.
If you could get hootgaming working on your next rom, now that would be something. Something tells me it won't be possible as getting hold of the client .cab for winmob seems rather difficult.
Back in reality...I tend to use Claunch on my today screen as it works well but the only buttons that are any good tend to be based on the Iphone. Any app like this with an original button interface would be fantastic.
Keep up the good work.
'LouzeBerry' 6.1 ROM -- Version 060909 (changelog below)
This is my latest 6.1 build. It's done with similar design choices to my 6.5 build, which is also still being maintained. Unlike the 6.5, this does include HTC Dialer and Volume, which have compatibility issues with 6.5.
It uses standard TF3D, and will until a version of TF3D2 that's more ready for prime-time shows up. Think of this like a stock ROM, minus the bloat, plus app and driver updates, plus a never system version, plus tweaks, plus little niceties (like better icons, FuzeBerry theme, Wallpapers, PSShutXP, Configurable button assignments, etc)
Getting to know this ROM:
* 6.1 Build 21046.
* TF3D STANDARD with a slightly customized FuzeBerry theme.
* Rhodium menu enhancement.
* Opera 9.5 16277, Advanced Config, Google Maps, Total Commander, Weathermaster (all uninstallable).
* HTC Album 2.5, with the social networking uploaders. I'm not crazy about the new behaviors 3.0, or about the fact that the uploaders aren't currently included in that version.
* Newer-style Comm Manager, with a 3G button and HTC settings screens for Wifi, Bluetooth and Phone.
* Available with and without HTC on-screen keyboards.
* Configurable button assignments.
* User Customization compatible.
(See further notes in next post)
Latest changelog / download
060909KB - With HTC Keyboard
060909NOKB - Without HTC Keyboard (makes installing third-party keyboard easier)
- Removed Tachi-style notifications entirely. They were bugging me. Left the cab in \windows (look for HTC Tachi ...) if you want them back.
- Nicer icons on the top bar (by Tsowen)
- NOTE: I've ID'd a conflict with HTC Keyboard's name lookup for the messaging up and Windows' own. Install this cab (originally created for a similar issue in 6.5) to disable Windows' lookup if you're on the version that includes the keyboard.
(Previous changelogs in next post)
MobileMatt, Mr. Fuzeberry himself, is now mirroring the ROM at http://www.fuzeberry.com/ (may not always be the current version).
Many thanks to Da_G for the kitchen, NRGZ28, Captain_Throwback, At0mAng for his own kitchen and patience, MobileMatt for creating Fuzeberry, and all the other usual peeps.
Supporters: deeznuts (really, that's his name, I swear), [email protected]
-Lou
Important Notes:
* After first boot, go to Start --> Settings --> Connections and run Connection Setup (for some users, this may happen automatically if a program in their personal UC triggers it)
* Keyboard configured for the Fuze. Use this if you've got a non-Fuze Touch Pro.
* Removed certain redundant TF3D tabs (where functionality is duplicated elsewhere in TF3D). If you want them back, disable TF3D and unzip this to your windows folder.
* Don't like the FuzeBerry look? Dirty commie. Install this to put TF3D back to the default look. Warning: By doing this, you sacrifice super-awesomeness.
Older downloads/changelogs (see first post for most current changelog):
052909 - With HTC Keyboard
052909 - Without HTC Keyboard (makes installing third-party keyboard easier)
- Updated to 21046
- Comm Manager now has 3G Button
- Start Menu cleaned up
- Removed Welcome Center
- Wait cursor changed
- Minor visual tweaks & enhancements
051109KB - With HTC Keyboard
051109NOKB - Without HTC Keyboard (makes installing third-party keyboard easier).
- Initial 6.1 Build
Suggestions
This rom is pretty incredible. I was really waiting for a chef to release and completely stable yet up-to-date rom. However I do have suggestions that I would really appreciate seeing in the next release:
Organizing the start menu (The rom looks great with the theme but the start menu is super ugly)
Implementing the comm manager that allows you to disable 3G
including gps test, a flashlight program, beejive im, facebook, pimbackup, cleartemp. file explorer plus (most roms include this version), regedit
Possibly re-work some of the ugly settings icons and stuff like that
Bug:
None, as stable as they come so far.
If some of these things could be taken care of, I can't see any rom be better anytime soon. Hopefully you will take some of these suggestions but they are suggestions so keep up the work however that may be.
DrzNight said:
This rom is pretty incredible. I was really waiting for a chef to release and completely stable yet up-to-date rom. However I do have suggestions that I would really appreciate seeing in the next release:
Organizing the start menu (The rom looks great with the theme but the start menu is super ugly)
Implementing the comm manager that allows you to disable 3G
including gps test, a flashlight program, beejive im, facebook, the new notification manager, pimbackup,cleartemp. file explorer plus (most roms include this version)
Possibly re-work some of the ugly settings icons and stuff like that
Bug:
When ever I run most programs (for example advance config,ie) and I press "x" the don't end fully and need to close them with task manager.
If some of these things could be taken care of, I can't see any rom be better anytime soon. Hopefully you will take some of these suggestions but they are suggestions so keep up the work however that may be.
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Running out the door, but quick answers:
Start menu clean-up is on the to-do list. That may include revising icons.
Maybe on the comm manager -- have never checked to see if it can be done on the new rhodium-style one (which lets you get deeper into settings than the old one).
New notifications are indeed included, but as explained as in post 2, you have to disable the stock-style "Large notifications" (it's in Settings-->System-->TouchFlo).
The suggested applications: Maybe some, but I prefer to keep my ROMs fairly spartan, as everyone's preferences are different (for instance, I don't personally use most of those apps), and it's easy enough for people to install their favorite apps with User Customization.
For the "bug" -- it's not a bug, it's a design choice. You can change the button behavior under Settings-->System--Task Manager (the gray one, not the one with the ekg-like reading).
Glad you're enjoying the ROM. Thanks for the suggestions.
Wordsmith9091 said:
Running out the door, but quick answers:
Start menu clean-up is on the to-do list. That may include revising icons.
Maybe on the comm manager -- have never checked to see if it can be done on the new rhodium-style one (which lets you get deeper into settings than the old one).
New notifications are indeed included, but as explained as in post 2, you have to disable the stock-style "Large notifications" (it's in Settings-->System-->TouchFlo).
The suggested applications: Maybe some, but I prefer to keep my ROMs fairly spartan, as everyone's preferences are different (for instance, I don't personally use most of those apps), and it's easy enough for people to install their favorite apps with User Customization.
For the "bug" -- it's not a bug, it's a design choice. You can change the button behavior under Settings-->System--Task Manager (the gray one, not the one with the ekg-like reading).
Glad you're enjoying the ROM. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Thanks for the quick reply. Completely forgot about the task manager setting and I always thought when people were talking about large notifications they were talking about the way it looked when you see receive a message a large box would show up . I completely understand your want for keeping the ROM lite but maybe two different versions would be really cool ( one could be lite and without keyboard, and the other one not loaded but standard). In my opinion its easier to ignore or uninstall a unnecessary program than it is to go out and find these cabs and repopulate the start menu yourself. And I want to thank you again for the quick reply and for being polite on my oversight about the notifications and notifications .
DrzNight said:
Thanks for the quick reply. Completely forgot about the task manager setting and I always thought when people were talking about large notifications they were talking about the way it looked when you see receive a message a large box would show up . I completely understand your want for keeping the ROM lite but maybe two different versions would be really cool ( one could be lite and without keyboard, and the other one not loaded but standard). In my opinion its easier to ignore or uninstall a unnecessary program than it is to go out and find these cabs and repopulate the start menu yourself. And I want to thank you again for the quick reply and for being polite on my oversight about the notifications and notifications .
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Some people probably are talking about that with the large notifications. I keep referring to the stock ones that way because the actual package in the kitchen is "Enlarge Title Bar." I'll revise Post No. 2 to be clearer.
Edit: Oh, and I just confirmed in my test -- you can still enable that 3G Button for the comm manager via Advanced Config (it's one of the "more settings" options. You just have to pick which existing button you want to get rid of.
Flashed this yesterday. This is seriously good stuff!!
I like it that you've made a lot of uninstallable stuff on this ROM unlike most of the other chefs who pile a lot of stuff but a lot of is useless, at least to me.
I'll be trying your WM6.5 next!
Keep up the good work!
Best rom (and have tested almost everything , only thing, I would think that "Getting Started" is something you could remove, as anyone flashing roms should already have got started
kahuna0k said:
Best rom (and have tested almost everything , only thing, I would think that "Getting Started" is something you could remove, as anyone flashing roms should already have got started
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Agreed - there's a few things that I left over in there accidentally that I'd usually omit, but nothing that seemed worth doing a new build just to take them out. Will probably be removed from the next version.
New build up. Updated to 21046
Excellent work!!
I think you may very well be the most under acknowledged chef here in the Raphael Rom Dev. I havent posted lately but Ive actually played with all of these roms here and used many of the other chefs roms back when they were cooking for kaisers. I have been flashing and testing ur roms(both 6.5 and 6.1) for a couple months now along with the other chefs here and, not to take anything away from the more popular chefs here, yours have been the most stable and compatible with my device(ATT FUZE). 6.5 is great but im not thrilled with the change in start menu or other little incompatibilities at this point. However, ur 6.1 builds have offered no forming bugs(dailer, messaging, settings etc...); i dont experience excessive device heat when on long calls or using gps; and have had pretty decent battery life. And as Ive said all you chefs offer excellent roms; gotta love the flair and latest NRG brings and definately the completeness and dedication of Arrups roms. I did notice something that may have gotten overlooked with the urge of chefs to cook the latest builds and leave previous behind and that is the battery life and functionality of the original 5.08 20771 after being cooked up without bloatware etc. Im not sure if u have one but NRG actually had a 1.6 rom that was superb with one slight bug in the messaging which is the only reason i do not use it to date as i text a lot. Now dont get me wrong the batter life on this 21046 is good but doesnt compare to 20771. So im not sure if im making a suggestion or request but i do enjoy ur roms and have settled in with this one as my everyday rom until an official 6.5 is released but I dont cook and would love a stable updated 20771 other than the bloated march 1st test release(ive got that). Well, hats off and thank you for your most excellent roms.
Best Regards,
Phantom
Phantom -- Thanks for the kind words.
The reason the ROM is so stable is that I don't do all that much to customize it -- and the things I am doing, I've had some time to tweak and fix. I'm still learning as a chef, but I've tried to only expand and customize the ROM in ways that I'm sure I understand what the implications are. Some other chefs prefer to push the envelope a bit more -- which can mean some great features and enhancements in their ROMs, but also may mean risking complications. So most of the credit for what's good about mine really goes to Da_G for the great kitchen, and to the others involved in creating it. I'm just the guy who's treading carefully.
As far as creating a 20771 -- it's not on my agenda right now, but I never say never. Life's pretty busy at the moment, with some work complications, but I'll keep the request in mind.
Hi WordSmith, just flashed your latest ROM, the Start Menu looks much nicer and neater now and almost as perfect as I'd do it if I did it myself. *thumbs up*
Anyway I just realised that the nbh file became much bigger at 142mb as compared to the 051109 version, which was only 127mb. You added a lot more stuff into this 052909 version that a noob like me didn't notice?
Yahoo mail
I like this Rom. But i have a problem. I cannot set up my Yahoo mail. When I go to Menu -> Accounts -> New Accounts. It goes to outlook email. Can someone help me set up my Yahoo mail. Nice ROM Thnx
edge2861 said:
I like this Rom. But i have a problem. I cannot set up my Yahoo mail. When I go to Menu -> Accounts -> New Accounts. It goes to outlook email. Can someone help me set up my Yahoo mail. Nice ROM Thnx
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I'm not quite sure what you'd expect it to do differently. Any mail account is an outlook account, i nthe sense that outlook is the program being used for it. But you can still set up POP3 and IMAP4 accounts in Outlook. I don't use Yahoo Mail -- is it set up as one of those, or do you normally do something different. Am I just misunderstanding something about your post? Have you had it working on other ROMs, and if so, what was different?
Email
Every Rom I flashed, I always setup my Yahoo mail. I always go to program email set up. Im not using outlook email, I used Yahoo. I'm trying to look for an email steup cab. Anyways, Thnx for your quick reply. I love this Rom.
edge2861 said:
Every Rom I flashed, I always setup my Yahoo mail. I always go to program email set up. Im not using outlook email, I used Yahoo. I'm trying to look for an email steup cab. Anyways, Thnx for your quick reply. I love this Rom.
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Still just not quite understanding what you're asking. When you say you set up your yahoo mail, what are you setting it up with, if not outlook? Where I'm getting confused is that Outlook is the program, but Yahoo is the provider -- so to say you're using Yahoo instead of outlook throws me off, as you can/would use yahoo -with- outlook. Links to "E-mail" and "Messaging" in Windows Mobile are links to the Outlook application.
That is, unless you're usually setting it up in a different e-mail program (one that doesn't come standard with Windows Mobile), or unless yahoo offers some specialty e-mail program for windows mobile that I don't know about (it could for all I know; i don't use yahoo myself).
Were the other ROMs you used using TF3D2? I have limited experience with TF3D2, but I know there's an HTC-created e-mail setup wizard that appears on some ROMs (not sure offhand if this is part of TF3D2 or independent of it; I've never used it). It could be that you're used to that, and that it walks you through the setup for Yahoo mail.
In any case, when you go to set up an e-mail account, the first thing it should ask you is for your e-mail address. I'm 99% sure that if you give it a yahoo address, it will recognize that it knows Yahoo as a provider, and simplify the rest of the wizard to set up your Yahoo account in Outlook. Don't have the 6.1 ROM on the phone right now or a Yahoo account yo test with, but I'd be very surprised if that didn't work.
Hope that helps. If it doesn't, please try to provide some more specifics about what you mean when you say you set it up with yahoo, not outlook.
My problem is How to configure my email account. When I try to setup new email account it always go to Messaging inbox. I click
Menu-> Tools-> New Account. Then it will just go to messaging Inbox. I cannot set up new email account.
Email
I flashed your LouzeBerry - 6.5/21222 Rom & try to setup / configure my yahoo mail, It works fine. I think the 6.1 Rom has a problem in configuring the new email account. Thnx for this Rom, very fast.
Optimal Champious 23568 LITE
Ultimate speed and stability.
Code:
Optimal Champious brings simplicity. Fast. Stable. User Customization. Born with the
requirements of daily useage. A good base to setup your way.
Code:
LITE builds include:
- Created my new Desire Theme!
- Skinned Stock Dialer
- Skinned Lockscreen w/ Slide to Unlock, Slide to Answer, Pin Screens, and Alarms
- Transparent Task Manager
- Stock Comm Manager
- Office Mobile 2010
- New Email Client
- Adobe Reader
- Google Maps 4.1
- EzInput 2.1
- QuickGPS
- Facebook
- MySpace
- FM Radio
- Pandora
- Bing
- Uno
5-4-2010
New 23568 build
LITE BUILD
Downloads:
HTC Hero Wallpaper (480x800): Download
23518 Kitchen (3 Parts): Link
Special Thanks:
BeeGee for his Mirror
Looks very promising..
What segment do you plan to occupy? Stability/speed/bleeding edge, etc?
Allways good to see a new chef When I look at the first beta it is an interesting mix , the windwos version is brand new , the manila packages are a bit old, hey are almost all 1918 packages or lower .. That doesn't have to be bad .. Will try it out when it's online ..
Welcom to the topaz section !
Welcome Player.
Just a thought...
There are some VERY well seasoned chefs already cooking for the TD2 but with all of the new tweaks coming out, i.e. BG for all tabs, 16 icon home shortcut, and some really cool themes with mininimizing manila sliders and customized buttons, it would be nice to see someone focus on the asthetics. Franlkly I find the customizers cumbersome and not very user friendly and a lot of aps conflict with eachother.
It could be a niche.
please put screen shot
@saeid9085001: lol I don't have my Pure yet to take screenshots, thats why its beta
@everyone else: I know the packages will be a little outdated but they are pulled from the AT&T Pure. Since it is my first Topaz rom and without me having the phone yet, it would be a safe bet to use the packages the Pure already uses.
Once I get the device and trial-error some new updated packages, I will.
My Roms are usually pretty basic. I HATE a bunch of junk in a fresh rom. I like my roms to be clean yet keep all of the phones original functionality. Running WM6.5.1 23071, I use Titanium as the default homescreen. The AT&T Manila version is included in this version but will likely go to the Leo one.
I like to include the latest Google Maps, Facebook, Netflix, Pandora, Marketplace, MyPhone, Windows Live, and PocketUno apps because they are small and useful. Of the HTC Stuff, I use the Phonecanvas, EzInput, Notification Manager + Enhancements, Task Manager, etc.
I am a rom-freak and love just customizing and building roms off the latest releases. I usually pump a rom out several hours after a new build is released. I am really picky about my roms and won't upload one unless I feel it is worth it. That said I usually upload a new rom every 2-4 days. My roms won't be bloated with a bunch of crap. It is designed to be a good starting point. I personally don't install anything else after flashing because it includes all the basics.
I use my roms daily, so speed is a big factor with me (which is why it isn't bloated with crap). I personally prefer Titanium, but include Manila.
My roms are also heavily themed, which I will begin once I get my Pure and update the packages. Asthetics is very important to me. I don't want my rom looking like it was thrown together when I show it to other people.
That and I also reply with huge posts!
tried it, it had an error with run fileop
windows/menu_FILEOP_End.txt.
failed
It loaded with windows 6.5 in the background but the above box showed up and froze up the phone.
Thats part of the config.txt file. It was there in AT&T's junk. Does a reset fix it? I'll make note to remove that line of code.
The file calls for an Opera Skin file, which I deleted. This is the contents of the menu_FILEOP_End.txt:
Code:
"%CE2%\Opera9\skin\standard_skin.zip"="%CE2%\_standard_skin.zip"
"%CE2%\Opera9\skin\standard_skin.zip:RS"="RemoveAttribute"
That process is only part of the customization and shouldn't reoccur on a reboot. The line was removed for future reference.
player911 said:
My Roms are usually pretty basic. I HATE a bunch of junk in a fresh rom. I like my roms to be clean yet keep all of the phones original functionality. Running WM6.5.1 23071, I use Titanium as the default homescreen.
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Amen Brother!
Looking forward to flashing this bad-boy.
player911 said:
My Roms are usually pretty basic. I HATE a bunch of junk in a fresh rom ...
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well, it was sounding good for a while, but then ...
I like to include the latest Google Maps, Facebook, Netflix, Pandora, Marketplace, MyPhone, Windows Live, and PocketUno apps because they are small and useful. Of the HTC Stuff, I use the Phonecanvas, EzInput, Notification Manager + Enhancements, Task Manager, etc.
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phew, there's a bunch o junk right there (well, the first 7 or 8 anyways).
Having said that, let's see what happens
player911 said:
Thats part of the config.txt file. It was there in AT&T's junk. Does a reset fix it? I'll make note to remove that line of code.
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Negative - it just goes into a hard reset loop.
chris5s said:
well, it was sounding good for a while, but then ...
phew, there's a bunch o junk right there (well, the first 7 or 8 anyways).
Having said that, let's see what happens
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lmao. Half of that stuff I'd rather not include, personally. All I really use is Google Maps. Facebook, Pandora, and Netflix are all Widgets, nothing fancy about them. I think Windows Live is just a widget too. Trust me, all my included apps are little guys. I don't cook in Opera, Youtube, and I'd rather not cook in Manila if I didn't have too.
I've always been one to like a mostly stock rom with just the basics. It'll be good. Unfortunately my Overnight delivery has been ongoing since Friday? FedEx says tomorrow though. We'll see. It's still on the other side of the states.
In the mean time I can try to find some updated packages.
Cool, I'm looking forward to seeing some screenshots and hopefully giving this one a whirl when it's stable (-ish )
The diversity of talent on this site is great and I hope this rom has something to distinguish it - good luck mate
Peace
My Pure is due today, Tuesday, and looking forward to testing my latest rom. Having a device to flash is key.
I remember what it was like waiting for my pure, it was pure torture, got it delivered on columbus day weekend so it took 4 days instead of 2. I like the idea of using the pure stuff without bloatware, I liked how it ran, was just slow with everything added with it.
Yea just got home and turned on my Pure. It is pretty sloppy.
I think an AT&T rom without the bloatware was just recently released. I've been collecting leo stuff and the official WM6.5 Rhodium build that was just released has some really new packages. So I think I'm gonna go in that direction.
We'll see. I do like the Pure though. Good thing is that I've been testing the Pure's Keyboard on my Fuze and I thought it was really responsive and worked well. Glad to finally be aboard.
welcome aboard! if you're down, i'm open to working on some themes and overall polish for customized roms. let me know. i'm still getting my kitchen straightened out, although it'll all be redone when the official htc td2 wm6.5 comes out.
OH man I'm doing some finishing touches on my OC build for the Topaz. Wow it screams. The larger screen of the Topaz makes the start menu look a little bare compared to my Raphael... but it's welcome.
The only thing I can't figure out is how to load the SDconfig.txt from the Storage Card. In the Raphael we used UC, but these use RunCC. Doing research the only way to get RunCC to load a config.txt from a storage card is to trick it by using MortScripts. So at this time I just left it out. I never loaded anything at startup anyway. Its actually nice to boot up with a fully working phone without screwing with it.
I'm still testing, but I'll upload some pics... running at about 37% memory usage. Man it flies
nice! i just got my kitchen up and running. which leo dump are you using to source your newer stuff? i'm doing a hybrid leo 1.26 (with manila core from 1.28) and rhodium wm6.5 + a few topaz packages in there if they're newer.
let me try your rom!
For NEON 400 users only!
Please do not even consider flashing this rom unless your device is a NEON 400. That's the Canadian Telus/Bell version of the HTC Touch Dual. If you don't know how to find out the model number... then I suggest you do some more reading before you consider flashing any roms.
Hey All,
My old phone died so I recently became the proud owner of the HTC Touch Dual NEON 400. Long story short I unlocked it (Thanks to jockyw2001) and found that there are no Chefs out there with this device. There's a couple dedicated dudes out there trying to help all of us NEON 400 users (Talking about you Rataplan, deepankerjha), but since they don't actually have this device it's pretty tough for them to prepare and test a rom for us.
So, I took the plunge. With Rataplan's help (thanks a lot buddy, couldn't have gotten this far without you're help) I've been cooking away and have a solid WM 6.5 ROM here for us. It's based on the Telus stock ROM and WM 6.5 build 21914. I haven't yet cleared all the extra's (so it's a bit fat) but in my testing so far it's 100% functional and bug free (well, as bug free as WM can be )
I can't guarantee how well it'll work on the Bell NEON 400's, but if you have a Telus device, this should do the trick. I'm using it right now on mine.
Please leave feedback if you try this ROM out. I am still a novice chef, but I'll take feedback to heart, and I'll continue cooking and optimizing roms for the NEON 400 as I learn more and get better.
Happy Flashing!
I'll post updates as they come.
UPDATE:
Sorry all, but in my quest to migrate to the Android OS I've ditched my Neon in favour of the Vogue. I'll upload the Lite ROM I was working on for those who want it. The only thing I was having trouble with was the GPS, apart from that the ROM runs very nicely with the extra weight of the cube and other fat removed. Feel free to PM me if you have questions, I'll do my best to help if I can.
Give me a few days to do a fresh build of the Lite ROM and to take one more stab at getting the GPS working.
Okay my final roms are up. Hopefully Rataplan will have the links posted below shortly.
Lite Version: 1.01 - 1.03
-WM 6.5 Build 21914
-TouchFlo Cube removed
-A bunch of other bundled HTC/Telus packages removed
-GPS is still flaky
Version: 2.01
-WM 6.5 Build 21914
-Nothing removed, All stock HTC and Telus packages remain
EDIT I can't post links just yet, so Rataplan's going to help me out with that, check his post below for the download links.
Here are the links:
NEON400_201 Added 19th August
NEON400_Lite_101 Added 9th November
NEON400_Lite_102 Added 9th November
NEON400_Lite_103 Added 9th November
Loaded on my Bell NEON400. Took a while to get to setup and made a few bleeps along the way, now it's at the "Customization" part. Will update as I finish setup and test it out.
EDIT: Finished installation, looks pretty good, will test calling and texting as we go. Any chance we can strip the Telus crap out of it though? Hate seeing "Telus" everywhere when it's not even a Telus phone.
EDIT 2: Trying to set up ActiveSync to sync with my Google Account - it freezes every so often for a short while and won't respond to taps or key presses. Seems to be common in all applications. Also, the keys operate but the backlight never turns on for them (disregard that - they do work, see Edit 4).
EDIT 3: Hitting the X to close a window doesn't kill the app like it did in WM 6.1. Not sure if this normal behaviour or not (first time flasher).
EDIT 4: After a reboot the key backlight is working again. When I try changing the keyboard however to a full QWERTY layout the setting never saves and always reverts to the "touch keypad" or whatever it is (same problem in WM 6.1 so it's a setting issue not a ROM issue - disregard please).
If you could get rid of the Telus branding everywhere and see what's up with the freezing this ROM would be perfect!
Nice job.
got_milk, Thanks for testing on your Bell device. Like I said in the post I wasn't sure what to expect on a Bell phone. I'm working on a lite version right now with the Telus stuff stripped out. I'm also trying to remove the added weight from HTC like the touchflo cube (I really hate that thing...)
I've noticed the problem with the X button not closing apps. It seems in WM 6.5 it just sort of minimizes them. Although if I recall there's a setting somewhere that lets you set it so you can close an app by holding the X instead of just tapping it. I'll look into that some more.
In regards to the responsiveness one thing I've noticed is that when memory is low I sometimes have to tap and hold the buttons for a moment before they register. I initially thought it just wasn't reading the hits but found by accident that I could make it work by holding it for an extra moment. Hopefully this won't be a problem once I get my Lite version working.
I highly recommend downloading and installing Finger Keyboard. It's my favourite by far. I can't post links yet, but the thread where I found it is titled:
\\\\\\\\\ F i n g e r K e y b o a r d 2 ///////// v2.1 - NOW ONLINE - all resolutions
One other thought: If you could hook me up with the ROM you're using as the stock Bell ROM I could recreate this 6.5 ROM using it as the base. This might solve some of your problems too.
Thanks again for testing!
Not a problem, thank you more for doing this! I really hate how we're limited to WinMo 6.1, when we clearly have a 6.5 capable device.
I'm using the stock Bell ROM from jockyw2001's HardSPL post (stickied at the top of this forum).
Looking forward to the lite edition, I will certainly test it when you release it.
So, I couldn't stay away (Software Engineering student...lol). I set up my own kitchen and started to cook using a stock Bell ROM. I've managed to strip all the Bell crap + the HTC cube and make a nice clean ROM.
However!
I've encountered one bug so far. On the home screen, where "Text" should be, it's simply blank and clicking it gets me to the main Outlook menu (where I choose Text Messages or Outlook E-mail). I can also not create text messages or reply to them. I know we've hit this roadblock before but no one's said how they got around it.
I also don't have data working at all - it's not being configured automatically (I think the Bell customization wizard does this, but it's disabled).
EDIT: Okay, it's as I suspected. There's a connection.xml file that's part of the Bell scripts that is added to handle data access. Anyone know how I can add data as part of the ROM package?
For sms take a look at this post from 88fingerslukee,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6961719&postcount=49
Regards,
That registry edit is just enabling/disabling threaded SMS...in my case SMS doesn't work at all (I can receive and view SMS') but I can't create any new ones or reply to them.
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That registry edit is just enabling/disabling threaded SMS...in my case SMS doesn't work at all (I can receive and view SMS') but I can't create any new ones or reply to them.
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Okay, did you select webview in the sys-part of your kitchen.
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Okay, did you select webview in the sys-part of your kitchen.
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Yes, it's essential anyway so I get prompted if it's not included. It's not part of WM build 21914 however...
So I've tried with a bunch of different WM builds, new kitchen setups, and everything I can think of under the sun.
Data works out of the box - it's just not enabled by default. If you go into the comm manager and enable data it seems to work.
SMS is still broken. When it's not highlighted right above the text 'Text' it displays 'No notif...'. Highlighting 'Text' gives you absolutely no text at all and your option for that is 'View', which takes you to your call list.
I've cooked all day and yet I cannot get this to work at all. I'm rolling back to WM 6.1 until I can find a solution.
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So I've tried with a bunch of different WM builds, new kitchen setups, and everything I can think of under the sun.
Data works out of the box - it's just not enabled by default. If you go into the comm manager and enable data it seems to work.
SMS is still broken. When it's not highlighted right above the text 'Text' it displays 'No notif...'. Highlighting 'Text' gives you absolutely no text at all and your option for that is 'View', which takes you to your call list.
I've cooked all day and yet I cannot get this to work at all. I'm rolling back to WM 6.1 until I can find a solution.
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got_milk, way to go bud! Glad to have another new chef in the kitchen. I wont bother cooking a Bell ROM as you're already on track. My Lite ROM is gonna be a while anyway. Between wife, kids, job, and house... I just don't have a whole lot of time to tinker.
In regards to your SMS problem, I might be able to help. I too had problems getting SMS to work when I started working on my Lite ROM. After some trial and error what I found fixed it was to include two files from the OEMAPPS pkg.
Strip out all the crap from OEMAPPS you don't want and make sure that these two files remain, then include the package in your next build:
234f3319-55a2-46a3-be32-24530a643a0f.dsm
234f3319-55a2-46a3-be32-24530a643a0f.rgu
I'll be honest, I didn't do any research on the significance of these files, I just happened upon it by chance.
Good Luck!
Aha! I shall do another cook tonight and see if that does the trick.
EDIT: You sir, are a brilliant genius. I didn't have the .rgu version but the .dsm was there. Deleted everything out of OEMAPPS but that, cooked and flashed, and texting works now.
Thanks a ton!
Excellent! Glad I could help
So, my two bugs I've noticed so far...
No data. EV-DO is available, looks like it has to be set up manually. Anyone know how we can incorporate this into the cooking? I've tried ADC but it doesn't work, says it's not a valid Pocket PC application every time the phone boots up.
Also, the buttons along the top (sound, data, etc) work normally in the home screen, but enter any app and while the icons remain the same their functions have now been shifted one to the left. (Volume becomes Close, Data becomes Volume, etc).
When I first started a Lite ROM I stripped my Operator EXT packages. That killed my data. I put'em back to work on the OEM pkg's. I haven't had time to dissect the EXT packages yet to find the pieces we need for data. Whichever one of us figures that out first will have to share it with the other
For now I'm still picking through the OEM packages finding all the pieces I want/need to keep.
Not sure about your taskbar buttons, might be related to that handy tasks dropdown item that's usually on the far right (like a quickview task manager you can use to close running apps) I don't know if that's a WM feature, or something HTC bundled in.
That's an HTC bundled application (TaskManager.exe in OEMApps). I removed it and the bug's still there. You don't have this problem?
Data is handled via Connection.xml which is injected - somehow - during the "Customization" process. You CAN do it yourself manually - simply add a new connection and have it dial #777.
There's not much in the EXT packages - and what's there is impossible to tell for now, I'll dissect more and see what's there.
Strange, when I hit any of the buttons along that top taskbar it just opens up a bubble with icons for each of the options available, and then select an item from the bubble. Individually the icons along the top don't actually do anything for me, they all just open this bubble.
Right, which is the normal behaviour - it's when you actually select an icon from that bubble that everything appears to have shifted one position to the left.
Try it at the home screen and then in an application.
Also, looks like data is handled via "Connection.xml" which is placed inside the Windows folder (I'm back to stock 6.1 to check file locations). If I try to put that inside OEMApps or whatever and have that copy over though it doesn't end up in the Windows folder as far as I can tell.
I'm also trying to strip out the more unnecessary stuff, however, the camera always breaks and says the app is missing files to run. I can get rid of the cube, and everything else, but I'd like to leave the camera function behind (strips 30MB off the ROM if I clean everything else out). But the camera doesn't work.
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Right, which is the normal behaviour - it's when you actually select an icon from that bubble that everything appears to have shifted one position to the left.
Try it at the home screen and then in an application.
Also, looks like data is handled via "Connection.xml" which is placed inside the Windows folder (I'm back to stock 6.1 to check file locations). If I try to put that inside OEMApps or whatever and have that copy over though it doesn't end up in the Windows folder as far as I can tell.
I'm also trying to strip out the more unnecessary stuff, however, the camera always breaks and says the app is missing files to run. I can get rid of the cube, and everything else, but I'd like to leave the camera function behind (strips 30MB off the ROM if I clean everything else out). But the camera doesn't work.
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Ok it seems that you found each other, hopefully it will result in a perfect NEON400 rom, whish you guy's all the best and if I can help, just ask.
Some usefull links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=564130
http://winbreak.com/winmo/voguegoodies/
Greetz,
just curious if anyone switched back to WM6.5 after trying android on HD2 ? any particular reasons ?
After being an exclusive Windows Mobile user from the Pocket PC days in 2001, I tried Android on my HTC HD2 with great fear and trepidation. After 2 months i am VERY satisfied with Android and can't imagine ever going back.
Good luck with your decision.
never left WM, just run android on SD card
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I only tried one rom, it didn't work that well, and I hated not being able to customise it how I liked.
I absolutley hate sense/titanium/spb mobile shell... none of them work as well as my setup, I have my phone doing exactly what I want, when I want, and everything I use or need to see at all times is on my today screen. No other UI can currently give me that.
Every OS upgrade has brought less usability at the expense of 'looking nice', I hate having to go through multiple screens to do something as simple as turn on bluetooth and start a media player, one click for me and it's done. Same for many things.
I tried American Android on my HTC HD2. Battery life on all android sucks, so I am back on WM6.5. I am very sad Microsoft switched to WP7 after 6.5 is so cool.
Android must take care of battery management before releasing OS as now it just ruins the pleasure of Android OS. My WinMo6.5 lasts more than 4 days on one charge. I wanna see Android doing this
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I only tried one rom, it didn't work that well, and I hated not being able to customise it how I liked.
I absolutley hate sense/titanium/spb mobile shell... none of them work as well as my setup, I have my phone doing exactly what I want, when I want, and everything I use or need to see at all times is on my today screen. No other UI can currently give me that.
Every OS upgrade has brought less usability at the expense of 'looking nice', I hate having to go through multiple screens to do something as simple as turn on bluetooth and start a media player, one click for me and it's done. Same for many things.
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I particularly like Spb Mobile Shell. But if you've got something that works better for you than it does, I'd be interested to know what that might be. Can you tell me what makes your WinMo 6.x work so well for you?
FWIW I've never tried Android and don't anticipate doing so for quite awhile. Same for Windows Phone. I have too much invested in Windows Mobile Apps to move off it, especially since they do what I need them to do so well.
I came from using the original HTC Touch for nearly 4 years with WM6.5 and promptly went to try Android when I first got my HD2. The 2 most important thing to me on my phone is the email client and the web browsing. I couldn't get used to the native email app or K9 in Android and came back to WM6.5 for about a week.
I then took the dive to go to WP7 Mango and I love the email integration there. The web browsing is not very nice and Microsoft pushing the use of Bing is very frustrating, but the browser itself is decent. So while the battery life is absolutely horrible in WP7, it can still get me through the day on light usage.
So, I tried coming back to WM6.5 but there certainly are many things to like about the current generation operating systems. WM6.5 just feels sluggish comparatively because everything seems several more clicks away for me. There are various things I miss though. Apps I had purchased are a big one, but I can live without it for now. The other is the task manager. The automatic task management concept is a nice idea in Android but I like quick access and control over it (something ICS possibly has addressed). WP7 its not an issue for now because non-native apps don't run in the background.
Overall, I think you at least owe yourself to try Android since it can run alongside WM6.5. Give it a real shot because there are only going to be more and more things that are available to current gen OS that won't be ported to WM6.5
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I particularly like Spb Mobile Shell. But if you've got something that works better for you than it does, I'd be interested to know what that might be. Can you tell me what makes your WinMo 6.x work so well for you?
FWIW I've never tried Android and don't anticipate doing so for quite awhile. Same for Windows Phone. I have too much invested in Windows Mobile Apps to move off it, especially since they do what I need them to do so well.
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I guess that to me the essence of these new OS, and SPB Mobile Shell is that it puts form over function, to perform any action with those requires a lot more effort than it does with how I've set my phone up, it also seems to work slower.
For a start, I have on my Today Screen the things which I want to use or see most often. SPB Diary, easy today launcher, and alarmToday. I also use wkTask task manager for the tabs. My two soft keys are also customised, one runs WM5NewMenu (which is also run by long hold of the send key), the other runs a script I made with mortscript which closes all open programs, and resets the system settings to my default preferences, such as screen orientation and brightness.
In my WM5NewMenu popup menu, I have shortcuts to all the other things I use most frequently, such as messaging, not to open my inbox, but to open a text or email with the person I'm sending it to pre-defined. So for example if I want to text my wife, it's only 3 clicks from any screen. Note that WM5NewMenu is as quick as pressing right click with your mouse on your desktop, and each submenu is just as quick. I also backup my PIM data every day automatically have a script which sends it via email to myself, so if I have lose my phone or have to hard reset and my storage card get corrupted (or any other worst case scenario) I'll never be without the information I really need.
I also have google mobile in the launch menu, a couple of scripts to start/stop my media player, which will turn on bluetooth, allow me to connect my headset, then set the volume to maximum, offer a playlist selection and then lock the screen etc.
There are quick links to toggle WiFi and BlueTooth and start menu (the hardware buttons are too low for one handed use). I have one which opens my file explorer (apparently missing on WM7) to my IE favourites folder, and after I pick one it will close the file explorer again.
My lock screen is customised with the slider exactly where I find it the most comfortable to use, and the message is my phone number, in a different font, so I can show people easily when they ask and I've forgotten it.
A few other things without dragging on forever -
A Script which programs my work schedule into my diary with as little as 2 clicks for each day's work.
And I don't profess anything but a superficail knowledge of other OS, but the ability to use the same .LNKs and parameters as on my PC is extremely useful. For example, I can make a .LNK to the messaging .EXE, and include any or all of the following, To, CC, BCC, Subject, Content, and attatchments. Examples of use can be if you text the same thing each day, like 'I'm on my way home' would take a maximum of four clicks to send from any screen.
A coreplayer link which also sets the sreen brightness to max.
A lot of my .LNKs have different icons to the default program's
I've removed as much of the HTC customisations as I could find out how to, such as the HTC messaging.
I have a basic keylogging system in place (not a true keylogger, but it logs every time I use any program) so I can check when I did things. This sounds really anal or obsessive but, for example, it's usefull for when I take a break at work and forget when I started my lunch hour, I can just check what time I turned my phone on.
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Gastaroll said:
I tried American Android on my HTC HD2. Battery life on all android sucks, so I am back on WM6.5. I am very sad Microsoft switched to WP7 after 6.5 is so cool.
Android must take care of battery management before releasing OS as now it just ruins the pleasure of Android OS. My WinMo6.5 lasts more than 4 days on one charge. I wanna see Android doing this
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I have an external battery charger and have often managed to deplete one battery before the other has been charged, but this is while watching a film with a bluetooth headset and the screen brightness at maximum.
Tried Android on HD2 & native device, HD2 soon went back to WM6.5.3 because:
-Better battery life & charging control
-Customization of WM is unbeatable
-Every icon, position, text, background can be what I want
-Fast access to all daily tasks (wifi,tethering,BT,SIM switching,email) all handled within 1 or 2 touches & all status easily viewable
-Better Asian language support
-Better Language suite applications
-Better Office applications
-Excellent Video & music players.
-OS file system is easily handled & integrates & shares better with my Notebook files.
-Stability of my WM custom rom is faultless & backup/contact/file integration to Windows applications I use are not wanting replacing due to cost & time of setup.
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A coreplayer link which also sets the sreen brightness to max.
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How do you do that? I haven't checked, but does Coreplayer have command line options that will allow you to start with max screen brightness?
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How do you do that? I haven't checked, but does Coreplayer have command line options that will allow you to start with max screen brightness?
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mortscript.
I thought that might be it. I haven't messed with mortscript for a couple of phones now. I once wrote a long script I used to report on calls, minutes and data, but it's been awhile.
Thanks
u can always boot Android from SD card and be certain that it won't mess up your WM...i've successfully ported gingerbread, froyo, honeycomb and ics on my HD2 and i'm very satisfied...have fun!
though, NAND versions are faster, more stable and have better development
no , but we wish that we can boot wm6.5 from nand / dual boot winmo and android like wph7 and android in that way maybe we boot winmo because i miss some apps there
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When I able to do this from my HD2 on android will switch on it until then wm 6.5 is my love hehe. Stupid microsoft and metro sh...t!!!!!!!!
Do not want to miss my tethered sync with Outlook
rabilancia said:
After being an exclusive Windows Mobile user from the Pocket PC days in 2001, I tried Android on my HTC HD2 with great fear and trepidation. After 2 months i am VERY satisfied with Android and can't imagine ever going back.
Good luck with your decision.
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I keep with WinMo6.5 because I want to do everything locally. I just don't like the buzz about putting everything on third party servers and airtime communications.
My mails are on my own servers and those of my company. When I sync my mails& contacts I use only my own electrons flowing through my private USB cables.
Neither Apple, nor Google, nor Microsoft need to know what I am doing, who i have as contacts and where I curently am located.
Additionally I am traveling frequently abroad and don't want to pay horrid sums per MByte on roaming fees.
I don't like androids behavior to start applications without asking me and there is no way to stop that, so I will keep using WM. Suck it android!
Yes and No
I got my phone in July 2010 and loved it. Battery life was bad and a lot of tweaks had to be done (thanks XDA). I got the courage to flash a custom WinMo rom by November 2010. Heard so many things about Android and tried it in 2011 and hated it. It was still shabby with Gingerbread and I missed Microsoft Office on the phone and exchange services. I ran back to WinMo after some days and didn't look back.
The world seemed to pass by and with no interest in Winmo, app development ceased (except here). WP7/7.5/8 just looked like a giant leap backwards and never tickled my fancy. Blackberry was a no. Iphone seemed overpriced. Ubuntu not out yet. That left Android, the most like the WinMo we all love. I don't like being stuck in the past, and my phone will be changed as soon as I see a decent one. The great phones now are all android. Why not seize the opportunity the HD2 afforded us to try everything?
Feb 2013, I flashed Android on NAND with Jelly Bean 4.1.2. It really has matured as an OS and I found out the best things about my Winmo UI are almost all incorporated into the ROM without much modding/tweaking. Since then, I have been happy with the phone. It can once again do things 95% percent of phones can't do. Battery life is still bad, thanks to Google syncing the lives of millions needlessly.
I really prefer avoiding storing personal information on Google servers like someone noted. There should always be options for offline methods as a backup. Maybe I am getting old and should follow the trend?
This ended up quite long, but bottom line is Android on my HD2 is a necessary step in the evolution of technology for me. Thank you and God bless.