I didn't install any big s/w,game.
I think its the dalvik cache.
I cleaned it yesterday after rooting my X10i.
Should i clean it regularly ?
If not then is there a method to move my "installed apps" to SD Card and will it have any effect on performance ??
don't worry about it.. it's not a problem.. that's how android works...
During the day and using your phone your memory gets less and less.....
I use Advanced Task killer (free, in market) to kill tasks/apps I don't need, and that stops the dropping of the memory a bit, it takes care about losing your memory not too fast...
Then sometimes I use Fast Reboot (free, in Market) to reboot my phone (just the software, pretty fast working) once in a while when my memory is < 100. Then my memory is back at about 150 - 180 again.
And I use Startup Manager (free, in Market) to take care of apps that I don't need (e.g. Moxier Mail) don't start at booting my phone. Works also.
Hope I helped you a bit with this...
Greetz, good luck,
kwarkje
PS I'm on X10i, 2.1 SE Firmware
download "link2sd"
kwarkje said:
During the day and using your phone your memory gets less and less.....
I use Advanced Task killer (free, in market) to kill tasks/apps I don't need, and that stops the dropping of the memory a bit, it takes care about losing your memory not too fast...
Then sometimes I use Fast Reboot (free, in Market) to reboot my phone (just the software, pretty fast working) once in a while when my memory is < 100. Then my memory is back at about 150 - 180 again.
And I use Startup Manager (free, in Market) to take care of apps that I don't need (e.g. Moxier Mail) don't start at booting my phone. Works also.
Hope I helped you a bit with this...
Greetz, good luck,
kwarkje
PS I'm on X10i, 2.1 SE Firmware
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I think ur talking about RAM... the create of this thread seems to be talking about internal phone space.....
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btw guyz is there any method to move the apps to sd card...??
@mrljlamon: if that's true, forget about it... coolsid8 should buy a larger SD-card, then....
@coolsid8: if you are on 2.2, you can use "Apps2SD" (Market) to replace your apps to your SD-card, but you have to have a larger SD-card first.... 2.1 can't run that app..
Success,
kwarkje
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I see a lot of talk about the memory and how much is available. but I was wondering about installation of apps-
1, Where are they installed to?
2. How much room is there for them?
3. Is this shared with the RAM memory?
I'm keen to upgrade to an Android phone, but if the app storage is small then this would put me off.
So far app storage for me has not been a problem and I have been downloading a few. I have 102MB still free. Not sure how much was there to begin with though...
The memory for app storage is separate from the RAM - like it should be on WiMo and Symbian handsets.
If you root the Hero you can store apps on the SD card, though I have not done this.
I think unless you go on a download frenzy, you will be fine.
Most apps will allow storage of their cache / data on the SD in their settings menu - such as FeedR (RSS feed app), Twidroid (Twitter app) etc.
it really is nothing to worry about...i had to test a magic for my work a few months ago and one of the tests was to fill the internal memory and then try and use the phone...they'd had issues with windows mobile obviously....and it took over 130 apps installed before it got anywhere near full and still it worked fine for standard use.
seriously, unless you are installing EVERYTHING, then you'll be fine!
That puts my mind at rest. Thank you.
If you do run out of memory, you could always root it. Not that im advocating that or anything ;P
I have installed RAM Booster and ZD Box(task killer) to help free up RAM, however i feel that the RAM usage on my x10 is still too high.
On average the free RAM on my phone is between 40MB -60MB, is that normal?
My question is how else can i free RAM on my phone? will installing apps to SD Card help? Also my internal memory widget is reading "414MB used out of 465MB" thats sound too high. my phone feels laggy and ive even stopped using live wallpapers, sumtimes the phone would even reboot on its own but hasnt done so in a while.
if u install too much apps without using app2sd, its normal to have that amount of ram.. i recommend u to use link2sd, u can manually select apps to move to sd. bt make sure that dont move any widget apps to sdcard or else it will stop functioning and appearing in ur widget list
I use Advanced Task Killer, from the market.
That being said, Android naturally will kill processes and apps. It waits for a certain amount of time, or until the resources are needed elsewhere. You shouldn't have to wory about how much free ram you have available... Unlike Windows, Android will manage it all on it's own!
khakhi said:
I have installed RAM Booster and ZD Box(task killer) to help free up RAM, however i feel that the RAM usage on my x10 is still too high.
On average the free RAM on my phone is between 40MB -60MB, is that normal?
My question is how else can i free RAM on my phone? will installing apps to SD Card help? Also my internal memory widget is reading "414MB used out of 465MB" thats sound too high. my phone feels laggy and ive even stopped using live wallpapers, sumtimes the phone would even reboot on its own but hasnt done so in a while.
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Use auto memory manager free from market
Requires root and when set to aggressive free ram great
Doesn't eat battery as it isnt a task killer
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to OP i wish i am a mod so i can move your post to Q&A thread.. geezzzzz
Eddie_Brock said:
I use Advanced Task Killer, from the market.
That being said, Android naturally will kill processes and apps. It waits for a certain amount of time, or until the resources are needed elsewhere. You shouldn't have to wory about how much free ram you have available... Unlike Windows, Android will manage it all on it's own!
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then y does my phone feel laggy if u say android will manage processes on its own? im going to try "link2sd" now and see how it goes.
Free RAM is wasted RAM, why don't people get that?
theskeptic said:
Free RAM is wasted RAM, why don't people get that?
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not if it's causing his phone to reboot and have problems because he is using it all...
xcxa23 said:
if u install too much apps without using app2sd, its normal to have that amount of ram.. i recommend u to use link2sd, u can manually select apps to move to sd. bt make sure that dont move any widget apps to sdcard or else it will stop functioning and appearing in ur widget list
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link2sd is telling me i need to partition my sd fisrt and im not sure how to, im going to try apps2ds
First i don't this is a place to post such question, there is a section called Q&A.
Second, i recommend using AutoKiller Memory Optimizer, it's super amazing and very essential app for me. I get usually more than 100 MB free RAM most of the time, and it's easy customizable, after your read the help section.
Give it a try
it wouldnt be a lack of memory causing a phone to reboot but the app w memory leaks causing the phone to reboot. the apps youre killing werent designed for you to kill them unexpectedly. they were designed to run any necessary cleanup routines on exit. if the app youre killing doesnt have an option to exit, then you should replace it w one that does or ask the author to provide an exit/close for the app to free itself from the list of running processes.
you're introducing dirty unintended states for the apps and the os by killing them unexpectedly. you will have immediate gains in performance and will gain unexpected problems when those same apps go to run later. lost widgets, widget data, duplicate widgets, or maybe even break an app that wasnt designed to open from a dirty state.
keep an eye on the tasks, but leave them alone if you can.
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First i don't this is a place to post such question, there is a section called Q&A.
Second, i recommend using AutoKiller Memory Optimizer, it's super amazing and very essential app for me. I get usually more than 100 MB free RAM most of the time, and it's easy customizable, after your read the help section.
Give it a try
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Thanx guys will try it...
to op, i think u better try the autokiller 1st. because the link2sd and app2sd need to make partition.
1st make a fat32
2nd make a ext2
size of partition 2 put less than 1gb, i assuming u having a 8gb class 2 sdcard
the rest of it goes to fat32
ps : this require u to format ur sdcard. so make sure u backup it up in ur pc
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link2sd is telling me i need to partition my sd fisrt and im not sure how to, im going to try apps2ds
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Apps2sd needs partition as well... try a partitioning program and make a main fat32 partition and then a second one ext2 partition (i suggest 1gig max should be more than enough)
You don't want to free up ram. It messes with your phone. Your suppose to use ram
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Get rid of the task killer and get AutoKiller Memory Management. I went from ~35mb free to ~135mb by changing the last 3 settings to 150, 200, 250 and never need to kill anything
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i use automatic task killer and it works pretty good for me...
Hi, i recommend the app "Taskiller Full" from AxDroid LLC ( i dont know if the free version is the same ) when i kill apps get a 150-200 free ram
do NOT use task killers. all you will succeed in doing is to use MORE battery. Andoid (which is linux based) is designed to have very little free memory. The way android handles application and memory use is it keeps frequently launched apps in memory so they launch quicker. if a task comes along that requires resources android will simply ditch the reserved memory (that is reserved in case you launch a particular app that is in memory) and will allow it to be utilised for the new app. as has been said 1000's of times before, free ram is wasted ram!
all a task killer will do is to fight against the native android instruction set, each time android attempts to launch a process into ram the task killer will kill it, and each time this happens it will chew a bit more battery life.
having a lack of ram is not necessarily the reason your handset is lagging.....the perceived lack of ram is only because it is earmarked for potential use.
my advise to you? just leave it be, maybe reboot your handset a bit more frequently, and remove some of the apps that you have installed that are fighting against android!
good luck!
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Free RAM is wasted RAM, why don't people get that?
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+++ exactly, let your phone do the thinking! (bump)
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Hi all,
recently i have this problem....i will explain one by one and someone can check out this matter.
I was running previously GingerDX v17 (the last version) and i had few apps to use. i did not use much apps and it was about 15-20 apps incl some games and more tools. and i use to perfectly switch from one app to another and if i return back i will get it correctly.
Ex: If i use Opera Mini and change it to PowerAmp and come back to Opera Mini i will fairly get my pages back and i can still listen to music at the same time...
Then yesterday (and two days ago) i installed lots of apps from the market. now after that installation my phone doesn't do the switching matter good.
Stats: (using Flame.E 0.4v now, apps moved to SD card [.android_secure] using Titanium Backup)
1. Currently there are about 60 apps listed in TB
2. 35-40 MB RAM is available
3. VM heap size is set to 32M (i dont know what that does so i don't touch it, keep in default everytime)
4. Most of the large and every app that is movable is moved to SD card.
5. Internal 34MB is free (total 222MB)
6. System ROM 22MB free (total 216)
7. SD card has 1.4GB free space (total 4GB)
8. At the moment i am using GO Launcher EX and some useful widgets and clock
Now i can't play music using PowerAmp and use Opera Mini at the same time.
It automatically closes and goes on using the foreground app.
So if i have to listen to music i have to keep the screen with PA and don't use any other app/game.
[ok i found the word now, multi-tasking]
i see this is not a custom rom matter so i will never blame anyone.
This is a U20i X10 mini pro, running Flame.E 0.4 by Eyama, have Kernel Zombie Panic 1.63.
Is this due to the apps im running? what shall i do?
Kind help is needed.
Thank you!
Tim
I am using nAa kernel 10 with MiniCM7-2.1.8 on my X10 Mini Pro with System theme. I use a PIN code for my SIM card. My SD-card is 16GB class 10 with 15.5GB FAT partition followed by 0.5GB EXT4 partition (for apps 2 SD)
My favourite apps that I have running most of the time are Swype, Keyboard Manager, TouchPal Dialer and MortPlayer. These all appear in my Running Services.
I have noticed that MortPlayer has been getting killed recently and I have noticed that Facebook and Maps are running all the time.
I think I am running out of memory and Android is killing MortPlayer. I have frozen Facebook and Maps with Titanium Backup to reclaim the RAM but this now means I have to unfreeze them to before I can use them. This is inconvenient.
At times I got down to 1.2MB RAM free. I had turned on CompCache to 18% but this did not solve all of my problems.
I read somewhere about moving the /data to /sd-ext (cache memory?) - this post is for an Arc but does the same principle apply? (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1333379).
As my SD card is a fast one can I make the SD card appear as extra RAM? I realise this would slow things down as a fast SD card still cannot beat RAM speed.
Is there any benefit in keeping my /sd-ext partition on my SD card? I thought it would enable me to store more apps on the phone and still be able to plug the SD card into my PC as a mass storage device (seeing the 15.5GB FAT) to copy music while still using the phone (apps being on the 0.5GB EXT4 partition).
I would appreciate any advice.
Thanks
Darren .)
In my opinion phones with EXT are much slower than normal phones, I talk from my experience. My phone was much slower after i created EXT particion.
To heve more free memory I recomend RAM Manager Pro and 256 swap and of course reformat the SD card with no EXY particion;]
adrianjos said:
In my opinion phones with EXT are much slower than normal phones, I talk from my experience. My phone was much slower after i created EXT particion.
To heve more free memory I recomend RAM Manager Pro and 256 swap and of course reformat the SD card with no EXY particion;]
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RAM Manager bricked my phone after setting it up and it caused major FCs after installing every app.
RAM manager doesnt/cant brick phones.
ayhow, its not very effective. The most effective app for RAM conservation, after alot of browsing i can say, is Auto Memory Manager.
I get about 75+MB RAM with MiniCM7 2.1.8 with just the launcher running.[Adw ex]
The minimum ive seen with ALOT of multitasking is 40Mb. [Ive set it in such a way that when my RAM goes less than 35Mb, it starts killing hidden/empty/secondry server apps.]
th3discodancer said:
RAM manager doesnt/cant brick phones.
ayhow, its not very effective. The most effective app for RAM conservation, after alot of browsing i can say, is Auto Memory Manager.
I get about 75+MB RAM with MiniCM7 2.1.8 with just the launcher running.[Adw ex]
The minimum ive seen with ALOT of multitasking is 40Mb. [Ive set it in such a way that when my RAM goes less than 35Mb, it starts killing hidden/empty/secondry server apps.]
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i must say i tried both and i stay with ram manager pro! its amazing how smooth my phone is now! with over 40 mb free with different apps in the backround... i use balance(more free memory) settings which its more recommended to phones like ours... its even better than supercharger,and by now no forced closes or issues... i must say i use last kernel 10 minicm 2.1.8 ondemand 122/691 mhz and no more tweaks or scripts to improve performance,just thus wonderful ap, but ram manager pro,not the free one which does not have all availanle settings... one suggestion to the buddy who open this thread is to reboot the phone after appling the new setting im sure u will feel the difference ..hope to help!
I'm using minicm 2.1.8 with nAa kernel 10,and with ram manager pro 2.1.1. I always have 60mb or more of free ram. Just awesome apk.
Hi all ! + 1 Auto Killer Memory Optimizer ! I use it with miniCM 2.1.8 with nobodyAtall's Kernel and have , if only 360 launcher runs, around 70 free Ram. For me it's the best so far.
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I use the Advanced Task Killer in Agressive mode and no have problem!
th3discodancer said:
RAM manager doesnt/cant brick phones.
ayhow, its not very effective. The most effective app for RAM conservation, after alot of browsing i can say, is Auto Memory Manager.
I get about 75+MB RAM with MiniCM7 2.1.8 with just the launcher running.[Adw ex]
The minimum ive seen with ALOT of multitasking is 40Mb. [Ive set it in such a way that when my RAM goes less than 35Mb, it starts killing hidden/empty/secondry server apps.]
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Problem is that when I used it for first time on rooted stock and minicm7pro, it caused bootloop at least, and I couldn't manage to do anything, didn't meant to say brick actually. On StornMix, it works normally.
I use 200MB swap file and 98 swappiness setting in Urukconfig.But it use RAM in most time and seldom use swap.Is this because the Swap file is in internal storage but not in a fast SD card ?I`ve got a micro SDHC (class10) 4GB and I want to format it into 2parts.One is used as swap partition.The other one is a FAT or NTFS filesystem.But I don`t know What is the name of the 2 parts in /dev.One more question,can swap partition be a EXT3 or EXT4?
Thank you for reply.My English is not good.Sorry~~
What did u use to "measure" the free memory? How does it affect u?
In general u have to know that android does not have the windows like "free memory" as it tries to keep as much apps in "background" as possible. To load em faster at next startup.
Many programs have the strange behaviour to have several listeners to startup every once a while or they even load at startup. You can check this with "Autorun Maganger"
With "Task Manager" you can see what apps are currently running. You will be surprised what apps are loaded right after startup - even u never started em
Anyway having "low" memory at runtime isn't to bad normaly - as android will kill unused apps to free memory if needed. Just if the value is permanent under about 35MB the system will get sluggish.
Regarding your swap: "I use 200MB swap file and 98 swappiness"
Sounds heavily wrong to me. As the CPU will be permanently use for swapping apps and will slow down your device meanwhile...
The problem of android and swap is that active processes (like widgets, services, the running program) can't be swapped. Swap just gets u the ability to hold inactive apps in memory to load up faster at next startup. (if u want to know more about it read about the "life cycle" of android apps on google) But since they are on a VERY slow memory compared to RAM the reload process actualy isn't that much faster...
Try reading the Tweak guide in my signature to learn more about memory management.
Before, I got the same issue like this so I used Autorun Manager to manage some auto startup and backround running apps but It didnt work. Now I find an other solution. That is TiTan Backup Pro. I use TiTan to freeze some apps that always appear in backruond running apps like Market, Fring, Textfree...
Although It takes more time but It may save the battery and ram. Dont worry about the next time when u need to use these freezed apps because every times u freeze an app, u can defrost it immediately. So that app will not run at backround until u run that app again.
That the way Im using to save battery and ram
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Before, I got the same issue like this so I used Autorun Manager to manage some auto startup and backround running apps but It didnt work. Now I find an other solution. That is TiTan Backup Pro. I use TiTan to freeze some apps that always appear in backruond running apps like Market, Fring, Textfree...
Although It takes more time but It may save the battery and ram. Dont worry about the next time when u need to use these freezed apps because every times u freeze an app, u can defrost it immediately. So that app will not run at backround until u run that app again.
That the way Im using to save battery and ram
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Yeah thats what i use to do - but u have to check with autorun manager before to know wich apps to "frost"
Thank u very much
256MB RAM is too little.