Hello all, even though i am pleased with the archos updates, I have decided to revert back to firmware 2.0.71 as I had no issues with the firmware, no browser crashes etc. Can someone please explain to me how this is done? I hope I do not have to root the device in order to do this...I tried resetting and then reinstalling the old firmware, but i get the error code when doing this. I am only able to install the latest firmware ..whoever helps i will send them a beer
You should just be able to copy the 2.0.71 firmware to the root of your device and as soon as you unplug the USB cable it should say "Do you want to update blah blah" and you click OK.
If it is throwing and error, then perhaps you need to step back from 2.1.8 to 2.1.4 or something first.
P.S. Send me a large bottle of Baltika 9. It costs like $4.00 but it will knock a brother on his ass.
@Explore, lol..thanx man but i tried the prior firmware n got the same error message about the firmware being too old for the device..the only time the update works is when i update with the same firmware that i already have on my device..which i find odd. Do i need to root my device to get this to work?
Well, Archos does not allow you to downgrade the device firmware... but apparently there is a hack which works... haven't done it myself, but give it a shot if you wish... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905053
@Craig ive seen that link but doing this voids ur warranty. There seems to be plenty of members that have downgraded without rooting the device...if someone could tell me how they got around the 212 error message id appreciate it
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Well, Archos does not allow you to downgrade the device firmware... but apparently there is a hack which works... haven't done it myself, but give it a shot if you wish... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905053
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This only is valid for 2.0.54 not the 2.0.71 There are a lot of people that have donwgraded to 2.0.71
MRCANNADY said:
@Craig ive seen that link but doing this voids ur warranty. There seems to be plenty of members that have downgraded without rooting the device...if someone could tell me how they got around the 212 error message id appreciate it
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You never mentioned what device you have.
Oh, I have the Archos 101 8 gig. I am so confused why this is not working?? Thank u all for the assistance
I was able to go between 2.1.4 & 2.0.71 several times, with and without formatting....
Now that I've upgraded to 2.1.8, I can't downgrade.
I guess Archos "fixed" another non problem.....
fuzzer said:
I was able to go between 2.1.4 & 2.0.71 several times, with and without formatting....
Now that I've upgraded to 2.1.8, I can't downgrade.
I guess Archos "fixed" another non problem.....
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Can you downgrade from 2.1.08 to 2.1.04?
wdl1908 said:
Can you downgrade from 2.1.08 to 2.1.04?
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Nope you can't even downgrade to 2.1.04 I just confirmed it on my A101IT.
Yes Archos again solved a non issue. I wish they stop with that sort of thing.
wdl1908 said:
Can you downgrade from 2.1.08 to 2.1.04?
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I was going to try, but could't find the firmware.....
02/20 - looks like its been tested on archosfans, no way to do it without SDE root...
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Ok so today i was about to sit down and root
after trying to use the flash recovery method it seems my Hero is patched
my Q is ....
am i still able to root this badboy using other methods and if so, can someone post a decent guide or good tutorial to do so
Many Thanks
no takers then? any help would be appreciated
i don't get your question, you have rooted your phone and now you want to know how?
anyway, there is more than enough information on this, you just gotta read it!
No, he is saying that the firmware he is using is patched so the normal way to root the phone doesn't work, in other words, the exploit used to get root access was patched. He wants to know if there are any other ways to root it.
I'm new to Android, but I do believe there is an older firmware version or something along the lines of that that allows you to open a terminal and root it from there.
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No, he is saying that the firmware he is using is patched so the normal way to root the phone doesn't work, in other words, the exploit used to get root access was patched. He wants to know if there are any other ways to root it.
I'm new to Android, but I do believe there is an older firmware version or something along the lines of that that allows you to open a terminal and root it from there.
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thanks for re-explaining that for me, maybe i wasnt clear enough
but again i do thank you .... i guess ill just see how this thread goes
yeah it seems its patched and normal method will not work .... not too hot on ADB and thats why i was asking
cheers
the version of your rom could help
check modaco, there is a thread explaining some "gold card" stuff. i think that is the hardcore method if everything else fails. never looked at it though, got lucky with my hero and got an older rom
Yea I'm having this problem too...
I had a rooted Hero but then 'foolishly' installed the update to fix lag, and therefore losing my root.
I have even created a goldcard on my SD card and still the 'One Click Root' doesn't work...
Any other methods?
OGC313 said:
I have even created a goldcard on my SD card and still the 'One Click Root' doesn't work...
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If you've got the goldcard, you need to downgrade your ROM before you can root.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
If you've got the goldcard, you need to downgrade your ROM before you can root.
Regards,
Dave
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Oh I forgot to mention I did that... installed the 2.73? I think t-mobile uk original RUU and it still didn't work.
If you installed T-Mobiles 2.73, you've just reinstalled a ROM that can't be exploited!
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
If you installed T-Mobiles 2.73, you've just reinstalled a ROM that can't be exploited!
Regards,
Dave
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But there is no other tmobile RUU available, or at least I can't find it. The 1.76 one?
google is your friend:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XDXZYP7F
Hey there, im an tired to death of waiting for this 2.1 update for my phone, and so tried to install a custom ROM last night, I have searched and read so many tutorials on how to Root the phone etc, and install a custom ROM, but i seem to be stuck... im Running 1.5.. First off i am following this tutorial androidforums.com/all-things-root-hero/54802-how-root-install-custom-rom-backup-more.html which seemed to be the most upto date and relevant.
I think i have Rooted my phone using Instant Root
And what im stuck on is running FlashRec.apk It Just refuses to work (backup), so im stuck, i cant get passed this stage
I heave read something about GoldCard? or something, is this another method?
And i have come across more threads about using the SDK on windows somehow...
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Hey there, im an tired to death of waiting for this 2.1 update for my phone, and so tried to install a custom ROM last night, I have searched and read so many tutorials on how to Root the phone etc, and install a custom ROM, but i seem to be stuck... im Running 1.5.. First off i am following this tutorial androidforums.com/all-things-root-hero/54802-how-root-install-custom-rom-backup-more.html which seemed to be the most upto date and relevant.
I think i have Rooted my phone using Instant Root
And what im stuck on is running FlashRec.apk It Just refuses to work (backup), so im stuck, i cant get passed this stage
I heave read something about GoldCard? or something, is this another method?
And i have come across more threads about using the SDK on windows somehow...
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As far as i'm aware if flashrec doesn't work you need to downgrade, try my guide in my sig for details.
Thats what i thought :/ I don't get it, i haven't installed a single update, and im on 1.5, and i got the phone when it first came out in the UK, so it wouldn't have been updated, unless over the air updates are automatically downloaded and installed without my knowledge or approval?
jUsT2eXy said:
I am on T-Mobile or 3UK or An Asian Carrier and I can't Root my phone...Help!11!11!!1
As you have found out those phones that have network specific ROMS, namely from the carriers named above will find it difficult or impossible to Root using the methods those with non-branded Hero's have.
The only way to install a custom ROM and or root the phone is the following method. As I have had no experiance with this method I am not going to be able to write out any instrcutions of my own, nor am I going to copy and paste someone else's work and take credit for it. Therefore I am providing you with the following link.
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Is that the case? (he actually links to my guide in this section if it is )
btdag said:
As far as i'm aware if flashrec doesn't work you need to downgrade, try my guide in my sig for details.
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I hadnt installed any updates either but i still had to downgrade, and your tutorial worked pefectly
All newish G2 Touches are loaded with a more recent update (although they're still all 1.5.)
This means if you have a new G2 Touch you'll need to downgrade.
I had the exact same issue as you with the backups failing, after searching the internet and using multiple tabs, i finally gained root access, to make life easier for others I created a guide, give it a try, let me know how you get on
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=662964
hehe too late
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hehe too late
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too late for?
Right, so i have to "Downgrade" using the Goldcard method first? im guessing? Then go form there?
akhtar1817 said:
too late for?
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You obviously missed the joke. NM
GodsDead said:
Right, so i have to "Downgrade" using the Goldcard method first? im guessing? Then go form there?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645253
Follow the goldcard section of that guide then start from the top. Should be fairly self explanatory
ROM downgrade..
These are the "about phone" details of my HTC Hero locked to Tmobile,
Firmware version
2.1
Baseband version
63.18.55.06PU_6.35.15.14
Kernel version :
2.6.29-25-CronosDroid
[email protected]#1
Build number
hero-feeyo 2.1 ERD79 22607 release keys
Software number
CronosDroid-2.0.2
Browser version
Webkit 3.1
I have root access to my phone... Was able to upgrade the radio and ROM to CronosDroid 2.0.2
I rooted as flashed the rom as I expected this to unlock my phone from Tmobile. But it actually didn't. Its still locked to tmobile. What should I do next to unlock this ? Please help..
Thanks,
Raj
rajkumar_iyer said:
I rooted as flashed the rom as I expected this to unlock my phone from Tmobile. But it actually didn't. Its still locked to tmobile. What should I do next to unlock this ? Please help..
Raj
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Rooting & sim unlocking are totally unrelated. There's no free means to unlock, so you'll have to buy a code.
I figured a lot of people want this instead of a nandroid backup so here you go. You're all welcome. Be aware that you will need to upload the fixed build.prop (recommended for US users) and change the boot animation (optional). Unpack the zip file and use stock recovery to flash this update.
My OEM version is GAUSB1A120521-US
Password is streakthis
Thanks and donations are much appreciated.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/tb42d7n3r8cdr4a/Android2.1update.zip
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=RB9E2DJP22JMU
Greenarcher707 said:
I figured a lot of people want this instead of a nandroid backup so here you go. You're all welcome. Be aware that you will need to upload the fixed build.prop (recommended) and change the boot animation (optional). Unpack the zip file and use stock recovery to flash this update.
My OEM version is GAUSB1A120521-US
Thanks and donations are much appreciated.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/tb42d7n3r8cdr4a/Android2.1update.zip
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=RB9E2DJP22JMU
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Is it out? Mine's hanging when I try to update from system update in settings...
EDIT: Also a password would be nice...guessing this is a prank...
NOT a prank. I forgot to post the password lol.
dairymasta said:
Is it out? Mine's hanging when I try to update from system update in settings...
EDIT: Also a password would be nice...guessing this is a prank...
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Can this be used on an O2-UK Dell Streak?
If so can we n00b's have a little guide?
Im desperate to get official 2.1, thanks!
Yup, it's from O2 as you can see in the screenshot.
as simple as dropping it on the sd card then?
No special build.prop adjustments? (<--the scary part for me)
Yup, absolutely. You don't have to edit the build.prop since you have O2 anyway. It's only for US users so it will reflect the US paid apps.
JimmyVD said:
as simple as dropping it on the sd card then?
No special build.prop adjustments? (<--the scary part for me)
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Won't you lose root loading it though?
I might wait until some-one 'plays' with it..
Amdathlonuk said:
Won't you lose root loading it though?
I might wait until some-one 'plays' with it..
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Not really, could just root with Universal Androot after flashing it?
I'm waiting for someone else to confirm this is legit though
Universal root works. I've had this update running for a week now.
Wow, really?
Is it worth flashing over the previous 2.1 rom?
I took the leap for everyone and it does indeed install. I have only had it running for a few minutes but it does seem a little faster than the beta. Hard to believe this is the official as there is still no way to use the front facing camera in the camera app unless i am missing something.
What else do you guys want me to check out?
Let me know I'll try it
I currently have the 6941 build. I have the At&t US version streak. If I update to this will this cause me any issues? I'm also rooted.
Mine's rooted and the front camera still can't be used unless i open fring or qik.
Greenarcher707 said:
Mine's rooted and the front camera still can't be used unless i open fring or qik.
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Which is why I question if this is the official update. Any reason for you to think it is? Or just guessing?
Any thing else that doesn't work from 1.6 to indicate it may not be official? I only used 1.6 for about 5 minutes so it is hard for me to compare.
its official from 02
Check the screenshot. It's official from O2. How many times do i need to repeat that? I got the notification as well.
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Which is why I question if this is the official update. Any reason for you to think it is? Or just guessing?
Any thing else that doesn't work from 1.6 to indicate it may not be official? I only used 1.6 for about 5 minutes so it is hard for me to compare.
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There were others at Modaco that got update notifications for the 7546 package but that didn't make it official. I am just asking how you are confirming this is official or what about the about screen makes it official.
And I like I said I upgrade to it and it for sure is an update and seems to be running fine.
On the leaked update there is no trace of any brand support whatsoever. This one had a link to the O2 support site. I had to confirm it from an O2 rep. Yup, it's legit. Funny how they still didn't fix the front facing camera. In 2.2 perhaps? By the way, don't look at my about screen.. I'm talking about the screenshot on my first post.
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yup today the day man! we us sony user get to see ICS!! the day before ACER!!!! Wooohoo
http://blog.sony.com/icsforsonytablets
Nothing in Europe!! How instal US firmware??
Great!
I'm looking forward to have here a tutorial on how to upgrade from other countries and without losing root )
Thanks guys!
nothing yet for Canada
I'm currently changing my region with Condi's tool. Here's hoping that works to download and crack the update...hrm..
edit: It's now telling me the update is to 3.2
Seems odd. Thinking maybe I should wait until Condi or someone can confirm that this will work alright...
rimsilva said:
Great!
I'm looking forward to have here a tutorial on how to upgrade from other countries and without losing root )
Thanks guys!
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Yes, definitely I will make one
I'm at work right now, will start making ICS for every region
today evening.
vnqshr said:
I'm currently changing my region with Condi's tool. Here's hoping that works to download and crack the update...hrm..
edit: It's now telling me the update is to 3.2
Seems odd. Thinking maybe I should wait until Condi or someone can confirm that this will work alright...
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Its correct behaviour. Thats because of sony.ro.build.incremental lowest valu ('1'). You can update (downgrade) to 3.2, then again update to 3.2.1,
and then to 4.03
Or change value to higher to get ICS update.
OR BETTER - wait for me (or other users) and we will give proper,
easy, step by step instructions.
I want to make ICS rom capable to use for every region
br
condi
Thanks for the quick reply Condi!
If that is normal behaviour, I might just carry on, and move through all of the firmwares, keeping them rooted along the way.
Will let you all know how it goes!
If someone can upload US firmware with is tablet.
EDIT : I wait for your tutorial condi ! You have time today?
i have a 16gb 3g italian tablet, if i change the region to us, and upgrade, and the change back the region to italian, will i lose the 3g support?
I'm in India, so I'll let you know if anything shows up over this way.
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Nothing for me yet... USA
I see they have added direct access to files on the SD card.
Can anyone convince me of a good reason to wait for a root version? I can't think of anything I really need it for on this, unless someone finds a way to run Sky Go somehow through a hack.
Why cant I access this yet? USA rooted.
Bojanglez said:
I see they have added direct access to files on the SD card.
Can anyone convince me of a good reason to wait for a root version? I can't think of anything I really need it for on this, unless someone finds a way to run Sky Go somehow through a hack.
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Bojanglez, I'm thinking the same as you - the only reason I rooted 3.2 was for the init.d support to run scripts for SD cards. Now that ICS supports that, is there any reason to root?....
Probably, there's always a good reason for it - CPU Master is as good excuse as any!
Anybody know if the Hotspot is disabled in ICS as in Honeycomb?
pretty sick
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Bojanglez, I'm thinking the same as you - the only reason I rooted 3.2 was for the init.d support to run scripts for SD cards. Now that ICS supports that, is there any reason to root?....
Probably, there's always a good reason for it - CPU Master is as good excuse as any!
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I can't get the update here in the UK yet anyway, so I will wait and see how it goes here.
If I can get a rooted version as quickly as the official I probably will, but I'm not sure I can resist the temptation just to upgrade if it becomes available before.
Bojanglez said:
I can't get the update here in the UK yet anyway, so I will wait and see how it goes here.
If I can get a rooted version as quickly as the official I probably will, but I'm not sure I can resist the temptation just to upgrade if it becomes available before.
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Likewise - the temptation to just go for it is great - BUT - we should be aware of the kernel situation (.10) that stopped some users from rooting. Best not to be too hasty, Condi might well present something to keep root. He usually presents something awesome!
Does anyone actually have this yet?
Friend, now that our tab is finally rooted.. thanks again to all who did this for us
Now, anybody have tried to downgrade to honeycomb after rooting?
How was the procedure, simple or tricky?
PS Procedure is suggested by Cat McGowan here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31723451&postcount=194
I tried but when I boot in recovery It sais E: /sdcard failed to mount can't found such directory
and when I put an SD card in it sais E:/sdcard failed to mount invalid argument
So don't know what to do?
mani16985 said:
Friend, now that our tab is finally rooted.. thanks again to all who did this for us
Now, anybody have tried to downgrade to honeycomb after rooting?
How was the procedure, simple or tricky?
PS Procedure is suggested by Cat McGowan here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31723451&postcount=194
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Xperia tab??? There is no honeycomb update for them, correct? It may be possible to use AIO to change to a org tab s region. However this has not been confirmed to work. May brick device from changing region.zip though
stifilz said:
Xperia tab??? There is no honeycomb update for them, correct? It may be possible to use AIO to change to a org tab s region. However this has not been confirmed to work. May brick device from changing region.zip though
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No bro, mine in tab S
mani16985 said:
No bro, mine in tab S
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OH, just thought you were new here lol. Look in dev for AIO tool, downgrading has been around for 6 months lol. Use version 4.0 not version 4.1 (bit buggy) check out my old FAQ in signature for details, Which is where Cat McGowan redirected you, Piece of piss really, can't mess it up, semi-automated.
Cheers
stifilz said:
OH, just thought you were new here lol. Look in dev for AIO tool, downgrading has been around for 6 months lol. Use version 4.0 not version 4.1 (bit buggy) check out my old FAQ in signature for details, Which is where Cat McGowan redirected you, Piece of piss really, can't mess it up, semi-automated.
Cheers
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I am getting version mismatch error, I think I need to have 3.2 with region india. Bro do u have backup file, as link is removed from ur faq topic
mani16985 said:
I am getting version mismatch error, I think I need to have 3.2 with region india. Bro do u have backup file, as link is removed from ur faq topic
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There is no India 3.2.(1) anymore, removed from Sony servers. Change region to US (WIFI ONLY). Then you can downgrade to 3.2(1). Then you could change back to India. Use AIO too custom update to Downgrade to 3.2.1 with root (to be safe) even though the US 3.2.1 online here is rootable with the old method.
Good luck
Stifilz
Okay bro, i will try by changing region.
Bro, with AIO how can i get the pre-rooted version of 3.2.1, where i can i download prerooted 3.2.1. files? sorry for asking too noobish question bro
mani16985 said:
Okay bro, i will try by changing region.
Bro, with AIO how can i get the pre-rooted version of 3.2.1, where i can i download prerooted 3.2.1. files? sorry for asking too noobish question bro
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Run aio, change region > 25 > 1 for 16gb, 2 for 32
Download from my update links in signature, scroll down to US and download, copy to external sd card
Run AIO, 3 > 1 > hold vol up and turn on tab while still holding up, > let update run, when it stops AIO says select update, on tab choose update 0042 (you downloaded) > on pc y
Follow screen prompt, tahdah lol
Stifilz
Perfect, i'll try that soon.
PS i was thinking why i am downgrading to HC? lol
Actually i am just having microphone issue after ICS update, and i have heard its not in honeycomb?
What else, what are the benifits of HC over ICS
mani16985 said:
Perfect, i'll try that soon.
PS i was thinking why i am downgrading to HC? lol
Actually i am just having microphone issue after ICS update, and i have heard its not in honeycomb?
What else, what are the benifits of HC over ICS
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More stable from what i have heard, but duna. I use ICS with no problems
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More stable from what i have heard, but duna. I use ICS with no problems
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Okay thanks, i think i will stay with ICS for now and enjoy root :fingers-crossed:
Downgrade to Honeycomb is VERY EASY
crack the ver num in prop files
then flash stock 3.2.1 rom by sd card
every thing will be done in 10 mins
but since you have not 3.2.1 rom of your regain,change regain is need
some good of 3.2.1
battery is more long life
more app and game
better ui
I somehow managed to downgrade to HC from link proved by condi in his all in one topic but it (hc) turned out to be kernal 10 which is unrootable
how can i root this baby now?
i think i need to upgrade first to r2 update then it will change the kernal so i can root it.
guys, anybody have this file please share it signed-nbx03_011-ota-0042.002.zip http://info.update.sony.net/ST003/nbx03_011/contents/0008/signed-nbx03_011-ota-0042.002.zip
thanks again guys for your kind help
mani16985 said:
I somehow managed to downgrade to HC from link proved by condi in his all in one topic but it (hc) turned out to be kernal 10 which is unrootable
how can i root this baby now?
i think i need to upgrade first to r2 update then it will change the kernal so i can root it.
guys, anybody have this file please share it signed-nbx03_011-ota-0042.002.zip http://info.update.sony.net/ST003/nbx03_011/contents/0008/signed-nbx03_011-ota-0042.002.zip
thanks again guys for your kind help
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You will be very lucky to find that file. You should go up to ICS then preroot the HC update and then flash using AIO.
Hence giving you HC rooted.
Stifilz
THAT 3.2.1 rom is not easy to find
suggest you upgrade to 4.0.3 use ota
root it
then change to us 3.2.1 r2 rom,(Or china rom,i have it
last root it again
PS:not all ver#10 HC is un-root able!,my china 3.2.1 r2 is rooted by aio!
Yea bro, i have again upgraded to ICS but not with ota.. but downloading req file from stifilz bro's update thread. It all went just fine.
Yesterday, rooted it too. All well right now.
Now regarding HC, i have few doubts in mind. Can you guys please suggest:
-I have not yet understood how to install HC that is with kernal 10 which is rootable. stifilz suggested to install with aio to get the root on HC but i don't really get the steps. Can you please elaborate how to install HC and get it rooted step by step?
-In ICS, there is patch in aio to make it enable "Use sd card 2 as USB storage ", is there something available like this in HC?
-I sometime get microphone issue on ICS, has somebody else face similar issue and on HC microphone work well?
Thanks again guys for your help
Yea bro, i have again upgraded to ICS but not with ota.. but downloading req file from stifilz bro's update thread. It all went just fine.
Yesterday, rooted it too. All well right now.
OK,you back to the start point
Now regarding HC, i have few doubts in mind. Can you guys please suggest:
-I have not yet understood how to install HC that is with kernal 10 which is rootable. stifilz suggested to install with aio to get the root on HC but i don't really get the steps. Can you please elaborate how to install HC and get it rooted step by step?
normal HC is rootable,just use aio,make sure ver is 3.2.1,not 3.2
by now,only china #10 version is rootable,i 'am lucky chinese
maybe u can make a pre-root hc rom by aio,just like pre-root ics (just in theory)
-In ICS, there is patch in aio to make it enable "Use sd card 2 as USB storage ", is there something available like this in HC?
USB storage is ics ONLY
-I sometime get microphone issue on ICS, has somebody else face similar issue and on HC microphone work well?
i'am no care about that
go go go,DIYER:laugh: