So my 2yr is reached on june. I got a pre-order for with bestbuy at the moment.
I still have my new every two gimmick from verizon. Will the discount be huge? I don't often wait til the end of the two mark before i get a new phone because i am allowed to upgrade prior to that.
Assuming the tbolt is still $250 instead of $300, I got the $50 giftcard that I paid for when I pre-ordered, I wonder how it compares with verizon pricing.
Obviously i should be asking myself if 3 months is worth the money saved. but I don't know all the variables.
1. will the availability of the tbolt be plentiful by june? i was told that the evo was hard to come by after the pre-orders came out.
2. how much would or might i be saving if i chose to wait 3 months. there was something about no rebates no more with verizon so that is nice.
3. i got an eris with gb on it, so will i be missing that much besides the fire power in tech.
4. and whatever i may have missed
so if you guys can help me out with some actual intelligent answers, that would be awesome. thanks.
The new every two occurs every 20 months (basically 4 months before your contract end date). Once you're in this window, you pay the contract price of the phone. Which in the case of the TB, you'll pay $249. If you have a preorder giftcard for $50, you can put that towards the $249.
However, if you're a primary line owner, either a single line or primary line of a family plan, you'll get another $50 off the $249. This last $50 discount has been terminated by Verizon, but existing contracts are grandfathered in for one last time.
So, if you fit all of these then this is what you'll have:
+ $249.00 TB
- 50.00 giftcard preorder
- 50.00 single or primary line discount at 20 months upgrade
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$149.00 plus tax
As a side note, the primary line of a family plan gets a new every two every year, but not the extra $50. Basically, the primary line gets the contract price every 12 months ($249)
I wonder if I will be able to upgrade early.
I don't get my new every 2 upgrade for another 6 months according to the VZW website, however they offered me the immediate iPhone upgrade. I hope I (primary line) would be able to get a TB as well.
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I wonder if I will be able to upgrade early.
I don't get my new every 2 upgrade for another 6 months according to the VZW website, however they offered me the immediate iPhone upgrade. I hope I (primary line) would be able to get a TB as well.
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The website, I'm pretty sure, doesn't show you your primary line 12 month annual upgrade. Its there tho... every 12 months the primary line, on a multi-line plan, can upgrade at contract price.
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The new every two occurs every 20 months (basically 4 months before your contract end date). Once you're in this window, you pay the contract price of the phone. Which in the case of the TB, you'll pay $249. If you have a preorder giftcard for $50, you can put that towards the $249.
However, if you're a primary line owner, either a single line or primary line of a family plan, you'll get another $50 off the $249. This last $50 discount has been terminated by Verizon, but existing contracts are grandfathered in for one last time.
So, if you fit all of these then this is what you'll have:
+ $249.00 TB
- 50.00 giftcard preorder
- 50.00 single or primary line discount at 20 months upgrade
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$149.00 plus tax
As a side note, the primary line of a family plan gets a new every two every year, but not the extra $50. Basically, the primary line gets the contract price every 12 months ($249)
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I thought I read somewhere that they're (Verizon) doing away with the 12 month upgrade option for the primary line now too.
From what I understand, even primary line holders will have to wait 20 months to upgrade at the contract price. That is of course people who signed up for a new contract after (I think) February 10th.
I could be wrong (and I hope I am), but that's what I read.
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I thought I read somewhere that they're (Verizon) doing away with the 12 month upgrade option for the primary line now too.
From what I understand, even primary line holders will have to wait 20 months to upgrade at the contract price. That is of course people who signed up for a new contract after (I think) February 10th.
I could be wrong (and I hope I am), but that's what I read.
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All the old policies are in effect for contracts done before this new change (Feb, January, whenever) so I think this person is good to go.
I know the extra $50 for the primary line was canned. It could be that the 1 year renew was too, but most people should be able it hit that benefit up one last time if it is true.
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As a side note, the primary line of a family plan gets a new every two every year, but not the extra $50. Basically, the primary line gets the contract price every 12 months ($249)
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Is this still the case? I would like to know if the primary line of a multi-line family plan is eligible to upgrade at contract price every 12 months. I was planning to get a 1 year contract on my primary line but will scrap this idea if the primary line is already eligible for upgrade every 12 months.
Thank You!
(what is the benefit of 1yr vs 2yr contract for the primary line of a family plan?)
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The new every two occurs every 20 months (basically 4 months before your contract end date). Once you're in this window, you pay the contract price of the phone. Which in the case of the TB, you'll pay $249. If you have a preorder giftcard for $50, you can put that towards the $249.
However, if you're a primary line owner, either a single line or primary line of a family plan, you'll get another $50 off the $249. This last $50 discount has been terminated by Verizon, but existing contracts are grandfathered in for one last time.
So, if you fit all of these then this is what you'll have:
+ $249.00 TB
- 50.00 giftcard preorder
- 50.00 single or primary line discount at 20 months upgrade
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$149.00 plus tax
As a side note, the primary line of a family plan gets a new every two every year, but not the extra $50. Basically, the primary line gets the contract price every 12 months ($249)
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bestbuy does not discount the extra $50 for new every 2 since thats a vzw promotion... if you want the extra 50 off you will need to purchase from verizon... but if I can get the extra 50 off from vzw without waiting I'm going to use the 50 gift card to buy a case and screen protector and stuff... also if the bestbuy free buyback is still in effect when the phone is released I'll go to bestbuy so I get some return in investment when I go to get a new phone
I just chatted with Verizon Customer Support and inquired about the 12 month upgrade timeframe for the primary line of a multi-line contract.
This is still in effect and holds true. So much for needing to sign a 1 yr contract on that line
UPDATE: the info regarding 12 month updates for the primary line is false. I spoke with another CSR and this was dropped along with the NE2.
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UPDATE: the info regarding 12 month updates for the primary line is false. I spoke with another CSR and this was dropped along with the NE2.
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Bummer! Coolest thing I didn't know that doesn't matter anymore?
I am the primary line of a family plan. I didn't realize the "new every two" was affected by being a primary or secondary on a family plan.
This is what it says on my verizon account.
"You Are Eligible For An Upgrade on: 6/26/11 Your contract end date is 10/26/11"
So it seems like the most I can get from the Verizon "New every Two" in June when I am eligible. I assume that the discount is in affect at that time, but as of now Verizon says I can upgrade but without the benefits of "New every Two".
At first I thought I may get $100 off verizon phones if I wait til June. Now it seems it is $50.
For BestBuy, the only benefit is getting the phone early because I had to Pay for the $50 giftcard, so the phone will still cost me $250 + california tax. I never heard of Bestbuy giving me a discount because of whatever is going on with me and verizon.
Is what I just said accurate? If so I might as well get the tbolt from verizon if it is only $50 saved if I wait til june. If it is $100 saved, I might just wait.
Also nobody mentioned if the availability of this phone will be like the evo aka small production count so I may not even get the phone in june because they have to go into production for it once again.
Adding more info:
I was going through the motions of upgrading my plan and verizon shows me that I have an online discount of $50 for old phones such as droid x and blackberry bold. The fascinate has no discount except the re-certified one. So the "new every two" means nothing if i am aiming to get the tbolt?
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bestbuy does not discount the extra $50 for new every 2 since thats a vzw promotion... if you want the extra 50 off you will need to purchase from verizon...
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Two Verizon reps told me that Best Buy can give me the $50 New Every Two discount. Of course, they could be wrong, as sales and customer service reps frequently are, but when they told me this, I documented who told me this and when. If they were wrong, Verizon will typically credit my account. They have always been very good about this kind of thing for me as I am a long term customer.
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I am the primary line of a family plan. I didn't realize the "new every two" was affected by being a primary or secondary on a family plan.
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NE2 has always only been available for the primary line on a Family plan or the only line on a single line. Never for additional lines on the same Family plan.
You're right, basically. What you have to realize is, first, VZW has discontinued the NE2 program and the early upgrade (a.k.a. annual upgrade) starting with new plans. But if you have already earned the NE2 and the early upgrade based on your old plan, you are still entitled to use them for one last time. In your case, not until after your NE2 date shown on the website, in June of 2011, can you use the NE2. The "early upgrade" at "2yr new contract" subsidized prices can be used if you want to upgrade prior to your NE2 date.
After you enter into your next contract, both the early upgrade and the NE2, you will not have next time. They are the ones that have been discontinued on new plans.
As for Best Buy... the only thing your gift cert does for you is, well, it's a gift cert. Not really TBolt specific anyhow. Just a come-on to get you into the store and get a $50 sale out of you. You can use it for the TBolt, or something else. Doesn't matter.
The potentially really good thing about Best Buy is their "Buy-Back" program. It usually costs $60 for mobile phones to get this buy-back protection. But, until the 26th of Feb it is free. So... if the TBolt comes out by the 26th you can enroll in this buy-back program for free (i.e. sell them the phone back at 50 percent of full retail in 6 months (approx $375 - depending on BB's full retail price), 40 percent in 12 months, and keeps going down the longer you keep it. This buy-back is based on full retail, even if you pay substantially less due to contract incentives (i.e. $249 with a 2yr contract).
This Best Buy buy-back program is much like Verizon's "old" early upgrade program, which will be defunct with your new plan.
'Course, it's now looking like the release won't make it by the 26th, so maybe this is a moot point. If it does make it by the 26th, Best Buy is definitely where I'm gonna get mine.
-Frank
Ugh. I just called and if I wait til june which would be my 2yr mark I would only be receiving a $30 discount.
Looks like I'll be grabbing the phone from Bestbuy asap unless the delay is reasonably near june.
Philosophre said:
This is what it says on my verizon account.
"You Are Eligible For An Upgrade on: 6/26/11 Your contract end date is 10/26/11"
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Ugh. I just called and if I wait til june which would be my 2yr mark I would only be receiving a $30 discount.
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Yeah, ever since they reduced the NE2 benefit from $100 to the lower amounts ($50 and/or $30 - depending on plan cost) the NE2 is hardly worth waiting more than a couple of weeks for.
Also, according to the above, 6/26/11 is your New Every 2 date - not your "2 yr point". NE2 comes after 20 months rather than 24 months.
-Frank
yea, i misspoke. the october would be my 2yr mark.
i better enjoy my eris now before the time to change comes.
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If it does make it by the 26th, Best Buy is definitely where I'm gonna get mine.
-Frank
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even if its released after the 26th I'm sure I can make them throw it in cause I preordered the phone a month ago... or I can just walk across the street and get the extra 50 from my new every 2 at verizon
two_cents said:
even if its released after the 26th I'm sure I can make them throw it in cause I preordered the phone a month ago... or I can just walk across the street and get the extra 50 from my new every 2 at verizon
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I disused this free buy-back and pre-order thing specifically with my local Best Buy. They told me, for sure, that pre-orders do not count for this free buy-back promotion. They told me that you had to actually purchase the device before it would count. Otherwise, I too would have pre-ordered just to get the free buy-back deal.
-Frank
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The low down is that I have a family plan with 3 lines. One of the additional lines for the family that I have will be able to upgrade on the 29th of March, while the primary line is June. So I have two options right now.
1. The verizon rep at the store says I can upgrade/extend my phone/contract for the primary line right now for 250 for 2yr extension. I would then order the tbolt on march 29th using the other line at wirefly and pay only 175. Then sell the new phone to cover the cost of the first one.
2. I just sit tight and wait til 29th and get the tbolt for 175 by using the family line then swap it to the primary line and hold on to the primary upgrade that is on june for another phone. If I so choose to grab the bionic.
The factors in these choices is will the unlimited 4g end before 29th (most likely not) and can I swap my contracts around and not hurt my 4g contract (something about paying a penalty fee if contract is changed when buying from wirefly).
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The low down is that I have a family plan with 3 lines. One of the additional lines for the family that I have will be able to upgrade on the 29th of March, while the primary line is June. So I have two options right now.
1. The verizon rep at the store says I can upgrade/extend my phone/contract for the primary line right now for 250 for 2yr extension. I would then order the tbolt on march 29th using the other line at wirefly and pay only 175. Then sell the new phone to cover the cost of the first one.
2. I just sit tight and wait til 29th and get the tbolt for 175 by using the family line then swap it to the primary line and hold on to the primary upgrade that is on june for another phone. If I so choose to grab the bionic.
The factors in these choices is will the unlimited 4g end before 29th (most likely not) and can I swap my contracts around and not hurt my 4g contract (something about paying a penalty fee if contract is changed when buying from wirefly).
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if i am understanding these scenarios correctly, the first option would be where you essentially do an early upgrade now on the primary line and then a normal upgrade on the family line on the 29th and get the tbolt each time, and sell the tbolt obtained on the 29th, hopefully covering your costs but using two upgrades for a net result of one new phone (albeit a possibly free phone, depending on what price you sell tbolt #2).
OR, you would wait til the 29th and use the family line upgrade to get yourself a tbolt and keep the primary upgrade open for future options.
if i got that right, i would probably choose option 2. this forum has shown that tbolt launch issues are definitely present and so you could maybe benefit from waiting a little bit (less than two weeks). the tbolt isn't exactly state-of-the-art new and superior to current phones (not sure what you are running right now so cannot say for certain how it compares to your current phone) so it's not as if you absolutely need to have it launch day, and like you noted unlimited LTE probably won't disappear by the 29th.
the only reason i could see for going for option 1 is if you are running some junk phone right now that you hate and must have a new tbolt today or if you are super-paranoid about verizon ending the unlimited LTE option by the 29th. i'm still not crazy for this option because it's a tough deal to lose two different upgrade options for a single phone, even if you recuperate your costs. my $0.02, hope it helps.
Thanks. I was leaning towards that option too, the only thing that made me worry was the wirefly policy on swapping the tbolt from family line to primary line.
After they changed the way discounts are applied in Feb, my bill went up $5.
I called them today to complain. They offered me $80 to add on a year to the contract, which would not affect the upgrade I have sitting around on my primary line.
Mathematically, $5 increase for a year is $60, so $80 makes up for it.
Thoughts?
EDIT: I'm in a well covered 4G area, and planning on picking up (assuming it happens) the Evo ONE X phone we think is coming with my upgrade. No other upgrades on my account besides that one.
Nah, you'll end up spending more as your locked in longer.
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drbadass said:
After they changed the way discounts are applied in Feb, my bill went up $5.
I called them today to complain. They offered me $80 to add on a year to the contract, which would not affect the upgrade I have sitting around on my primary line.
Mathematically, $5 increase for a year is $60, so $80 makes up for it.
Thoughts?
EDIT: I'm in a well covered 4G area, and planning on picking up (assuming it happens) the Evo ONE X phone we think is coming with my upgrade. No other upgrades on my account besides that one.
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As long at it doesn't mess with your upgrade date, no reason not to like it.
If you don't plan on leaving sprint anytime soon then do it. I always jump on those offers when they come along because i am perfectly happy with sprint and don't plan on switching anytime soon.
Good luck.
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Yeah I take that deal, unless I plan on leaving. One year, and it shouldn't screw with your upgrade at all...If you're staying, it's free money.
For what its worth, they offered the same thing to me, but @$100
Idk if they have a formula based on your monthly bill or what, but maybe you can get them to do that?
I had the same issue a while ago and got 120.00 been with sprint like 18 years
Is your contract up???
If you have say 6 months left on your contract, plus you tack on a year, then you will be paying 5 a month for 18 months. This would equal 90 dollars. I don't know where you are in your contract, but I just wanted to point it out to make sure that you take this into account.
i just upgraded and they say im eligible for an upgrade may 2013
is this normal?
i thought it was every 2 years?
anyway if u wanna check when you are eligible for upgrade without calling or logging into sprint website
text the word "upgrade" (without quotes...obviously) to 1311
I thought if you had an expensive monthly plan you still got the yearly upgrade? What i mean is isn't there two tiers of premier now? Silver like most everyone with the cheapest plan or those who simply hit 10 years service and gold for those who go for the $100 plus per month plan for a single line? Or was this scrapped and they no longer do any of that?
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I thought if you had an expensive monthly plan you still got the yearly upgrade? What i mean is isn't there two tiers of premier now? Silver like most everyone with the cheapest plan or those who simply hit 10 years service and gold for those who go for the $100 plus per month plan for a single line? Or was this scrapped and they no longer do any of that?
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ohh i see
im a gold premier
i guess thats why
i only pay 70 something for unlimited everything (discount)
So heres my case, after the 12 months would they take my phone back even tho its rooted and bootloader unlocked? just wondering because im gonna upgrade to the m9!!
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So heres my case, after the 12 months would they take my phone back even tho its rooted and bootloader unlocked? just wondering because im gonna upgrade to the m9!!
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yes they will take it back. the reps dont know enough to check for root and unlocked bootloader. all they will check for is if it has "normal" wear and tear as per your at&t next agreement.
freebee269 said:
yes they will take it back. the reps dont know enough to check for root and unlocked bootloader. all they will check for is if it has "normal" wear and tear as per your at&t next agreement.
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chill, ill just make sure i go back to a stock rom. =)
freebee269 said:
yes they will take it back. the reps dont know enough to check for root and unlocked bootloader. all they will check for is if it has "normal" wear and tear as per your at&t next agreement.
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this rep nows well enough :good::good:
just unroot and relock the bootloader lol
Is next worth it? These Damn salesmen keep trying to get my dad to switch and he wants to do it.
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The way Next was explained to me by a customer service rep was this: You get a phone on Next and you pay monthly on it, on the unsubsidized price. As long as you're paying on the phone monthly, you get a discount off of your bill. When you stop paying for the phone, the discount is removed. But you never really own the phone.
So you're stuck constantly renting a phone from AT&T to keep your bill lower. They now have you even more firmly by the balls.
This was how it was explained to me, but not all reps know what they're talking about. So if anybody knows more or differently, feel free to correct me.
Anyway, I used a cross-upgrade to get mine.
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Is next worth it? These Damn salesmen keep trying to get my dad to switch and he wants to do it.
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You end up paying more in the long run IF you switch at the halfway point....but if you run the full payment plan then you obviously end up paying the same amount for the phone. That being said, the 2 year contract is ultimately cheaper by several hundred dollars. But of course you have to wait 2 years to get subsidized pricing, and if you're a gadget-addict such as myself then NEXT might be a good deal because you can get a new phone without having to worry about your two year wait period.
Ultimately they make way more money off of you....otherwise they wouldn't offer it
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You end up paying more in the long run IF you switch at the halfway point....but if you run the full payment plan then you obviously end up paying the same amount for the phone. That being said, the 2 year contract is ultimately cheaper by several hundred dollars. But of course you have to wait 2 years to get subsidized pricing, and if you're a gadget-addict such as myself then NEXT might be a good deal because you can get a new phone without having to worry about your two year wait period.
Ultimately they make way more money off of you....otherwise they wouldn't offer it
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Actually, Next is cheaper than a 2 year contract. With Next you pay the full price of $640 plus tax. With a 2 yr contract you pay $800 plus tax... The phone is $200 up front plus you lose the $25/month Next discount and end up paying $600 extra over the term of the contract...so $800 total.
It's win-win for gadget addicts like me. I don't have to worry about losing resale value of I get a scratch or ding...no need to sell it to break even. I can just bring it back and get the new hotness each year.
working for at&t sales for 3 years i find it so awesome looking for phones that are rooted and unlocked. granted when i do see it i let it slide because heck im gonna do the same when i trade mine in lol.
but if they come in complaining about all the stupid issues their having and i find it rooted then i cant help them because theyve got a tmobile phone with an att type rom with tmobile apns and i just sit there and go...if ur gonna root...go learn to read dude.
/gets off soap box
bbunsen said:
Actually, Next is cheaper than a 2 year contract. With Next you pay the full price of $640 plus tax. With a 2 yr contract you pay $800 plus tax... The phone is $200 up front plus you lose the $25/month Next discount and end up paying $600 extra over the term of the contract...so $800 total.
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Not all plans will receive a $25 subsidy. That's only if you pay for one of the more expensive mobile share plans. All plans below, I think 8 GB, only receive a $15 discount. Doing a cursory search of different sites that have done mathematical analysis on NEXT all conclude the two year subsidy is cheaper. Why would AT&T do it if they weren't going to make money hand over fist?
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Not all plans will receive a $25 subsidy. That's only if you pay for one of the more expensive mobile share plans. All plans below, I think 8 GB, only receive a $15 discount. Doing a cursory search of different sites that have done mathematical analysis on NEXT all conclude the two year subsidy is cheaper. Why would AT&T do it if they weren't going to make money hand over fist?
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Ok. Well, I did the math myself and Next is cheaper for my lines on the 10GB plan.
Regardless of plan, you pay $40/mo with a contract plus $200 up front for the phone right now. That is $1160 for one line over 2 years. With a $15 subsidy one would pay $1240 over 2 years and with a $25 subsidy it is $1000 over 2 years.
So, after 12 months on Next, one will have spent either $684 or $564 for the line depending on the plan vs $680 with a contract...but with Next you can upgrade to a new just released phone and likely keep paying the same amount monthly.
If you don't want to upgrade early and don't get the 10GB or greater plan, it might not be as good for you...unless you keep your phone longer than 2 years. If you do, Next is better.
I've been buying new phones every year (or sooner) and selling my used ones to help finance the new one. I've been doing so since the Palm Treo 650 days...about 10 years now I guess. [Wow, I'm old.] I know how much money I've lost doing that over the years...even when hopping carriers to do so when ETFs were cheaper. Since I obviously plan on spending extra money to get the latest technology more frequently, this option helps spread out the costs and minimizes risk of not being able to sell a phone for the price I need to keep the ball rolling.
Again, it may not be for everyone.
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Ok. Well, I did the math myself and Next is cheaper for my lines on the 10GB plan.
Regardless of plan, you pay $40/mo with a contract plus $200 up front for the phone right now. That is $1160 for one line over 2 years. With a $15 subsidy one would pay $1240 over 2 years and with a $25 subsidy it is $1000 over 2 years.
So, after 12 months on Next, one will have spent either $684 or $564 for the line depending on the plan vs $680 with a contract...but with Next you can upgrade to a new just released phone and likely keep paying the same amount monthly.
If you don't want to upgrade early and don't get the 10GB or greater plan, it might not be as good for you...unless you keep your phone longer than 2 years. If you do, Next is better.
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I'm really not trying to start a pointless bickering match here, but for the sake of someone trying to make an informed decision here is my math:
Individual 2 GB Plan: $40 per month for the plan + $25 smartphone charge (includes $15 Subsidy off of the $40 fee) + $25 per month for a premium smartphone. Multipled over 12 months = $1,080
2 Year contract: $65 per month for a smartphone plan, 2 GB data + one time $200 fee, multiply the plan cost over 12 months = $980
The cost of the 2 year contract is cheaper in this case by $100, for an individual, for 2 GB of data.
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I'm really not trying to start a pointless bickering match here, but for the sake of someone trying to make an informed decision here is my math:
Individual 2 GB Plan: $40 per month for the plan + $25 smartphone charge (includes $15 Subsidy off of the $40 fee) + $25 per month for a premium smartphone. Multipled over 12 months = $1,080
2 Year contract: $65 per month for a smartphone plan, 2 GB data + one time $200 fee, multiply the plan cost over 12 months = $980
The cost of the 2 year contract is cheaper in this case by $100, for an individual, for 2 GB of data.
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I don't want to keep going back and forth here either.
Your math is correct if a 2GB $65 on-contract plan exists, but I don't think it does. They advertise 2GB plans for $65 but that doesn't include a subsidized phone. 1GB on contract for $65 is a possibility and would be slightly cheaper over time if you can live with 1GB per month.
Everyone has different needs and requirements. I am just happy that the US is starting to transform their policies to separate phones and service like many other countries where the cost for mobile data is much more affordable. I've lived places where they dish out data on the cheap and it was glorious. BYOD pricing is getting reasonable and isn't just for MVNOs anymore which is nice.
Bottom line is that AT&T wouldn't invest money in creating and implementing the Next plan if they weren't going to see more profits from it. More profits means the customer pays more or more customers pay more. They aren't doing this as a convenience to their customers - it's about making more money.
Right. Businesses don't make changes to decrease their bottom line unless it is to attract more customers. I believe this is an attempt at gaining more customers and more market share while trying to remain competitive in this changing space. At the same time, I imagine it doesn't hurt them financially.
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Right. Businesses don't make changes to decrease their bottom line unless it is to attract more customers. I believe this is an attempt at gaining more customers and more market share while trying to remain competitive in this changing space. At the same time, I imagine it doesn't hurt them financially.
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AT&T makes record profits every quarter, I bet they're willing to take a hit for a quarter or two to stop customers from fleeing to T-Mobile.
Me having 5 lines and the 10 GB mobile share it is significantly cheaper for me to do the Next with that $25 discount. When I first converted I didn't had the discount without the Next, but when my contract was up for me to upgrade it was cheaper to do Next than the 2 year contract.
I'll probably pay it off before the year and sell it myself and do another Next when my next phone i want comes out.
edit: ATT doesn't necessarily need to make a killing switching to these plans. If they keep their profits the same, but keep people under contract ( 2 year/or owing money on the Next) longer it makes sense. Carriers fear losing customers more than anything.
TheEmpyre said:
2 Year contract: $65 per month for a smartphone plan, 2 GB data + one time $200 fee, multiply the plan cost over 12 months = $980
The cost of the 2 year contract is cheaper in this case by $100, for an individual, for 2 GB of data.
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2 year contract price for 2 year is $80, $40 for the 2GB and then $40 for smartphone charge.
So AT&T Next with an iPhone 5S on the 20 month plan is $32.50 a month.
Next: ($25+$32.50)20 = $1150
2year: ($40x24)+$236 =$1196
That $236 is including the upgrade or activation fee, which is waived on Next as well.
Edit: I guess this is assuming you do the full ride for each the Next agreement and the 2 year contract. Although with Next you have the CHOICE to turn it in sooner and upgrade sooner, you don't HAVE to, which many people are misinformed about.
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HRodMusic said:
So heres my case, after the 12 months would they take my phone back even tho its rooted and bootloader unlocked? just wondering because im gonna upgrade to the m9!!
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If you're going to be upgrading to a new phone release(which is every year) then "Next" is a great option for you.
Reason why is you going to be stuck in a contract with AT&T for two years. And when the M9 or whatever device you might see next year come out you won't be able to upgrade for the new/upgrade 2 year price tag, you would have to pay full retail($600-$800). Most likely you are going to stop using the older device once the new come out so why not just sign up for Next and keep upgrading every year. If you wanna spend $1,000+ a year for phone service + $600+ every time a new phone comes out then thats up to you.
You can also pay off your phone before a year. you don't have to keep paying $35 a month for the device.
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AT&T makes record profits every quarter, I bet they're willing to take a hit for a quarter or two to stop customers from fleeing to T-Mobile.
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I doubt T-Mobile is a threat to AT&T or Verizon. they're service is still useless unless you live in one of those "Markets".
Update: as of earlier today Best Buy was out of Silver and you could only order the Black one if you had a Best Buy location within 250 miles of a zip code you entered so that you could physically pick the phone up. i.e. They weren't offering shipping them any longer.
Speculation: Best Buy is dumping their remaining inventory of all regular Pixels (they only carry the 32GB models) and they they already sold all the ones in their warehouses.
Thanks to @xdabbeb for making me aware of this.
I bought two.
You may have to retry website buttons multiple times to get the deal to work if their website is still being slammed. Also even when it says sold out on Slickdeals, you can still order it. This morning when I ordered mine, the get by date was Dec 6th for silver and 7th for black.
In my case I also had to order one at a time and the second one I had to use incognito mode in Chrome even though I upgraded a different line on the same Verizon account and both times I logged into the same Best Buy account.
I attribute all site weirdness to the Black Friday internet traffic.
$9.99 /mo. for 24 months
without having to pay the full monthly price and waiting for credit. Less than $240 total.
https://slickdeals.net/f/9417827-be...-32gb-memory-cell-phone-9-99-mo-for-24-months
@45Wheelgun I saw your post in the other thread but this deal is so good I wanted to make sure it wasn't buried.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
Thanks to @xdabbeb for making me aware of this.
@45Wheelgun I saw your post in the other thread but this deal is so good I wanted to make sure it wasn't buried.
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Kevin - could you contact me via PM or email? I had a couple of questions I wanted to ask you concerning this deal. We are both in Columbus and I would value your insight.
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In addition to this already great deal - for Cyber Monday (Sunday?) BB is now offering a $100 BB Gift Card on top of the $240 Price. Making your total cost $140 Make me wish I had waited.
45Wheelgun said:
In addition to this already great deal - for Cyber Monday (Sunday?) BB is now offering a $100 BB Gift Card on top of the $240 Price. Making your total cost $140 Make me wish I had waited.
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I just found that out too, wow! Me too, but oh well, one of mine has already shipped. I could cancel the other since it hasn't shipped and do the deal but there's a chance Verizon wouldn't consider me able to upgrade that line, at least for a day or so.
Can you really buy the Google Pixel, cancel with Verizon and use it with T-Mobile without having to deal with Verizon legal (early termination fees, etc) ?
Read a few comments in the thread. There are people that say "No problem", others say "Check the fine print, they will make you pay the full price".
This deal makes sense for Verizon if people open a new account/line and stay for 2 years. But in this case it is how the ol' phone subsidization model look in 2016.
I doubt that Verizon has left room to buy the phone, cancel the line and bring it to another network without charging fees and screwing your credit.
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Here you go: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/clp/ver...at748301462624.c?id=pcmcat748301462624&rdct=n
Activation/Upgrade Fees
Activation Fee: $40/line.
Upgrade Fee: $40/device.
Early Termination Fees
The early termination fee is up to $175, or up to $350 if your contract term results from your purchase of an advanced device (e.g., a smartphone).
There's no contract if you pay the phone off, it's not a two year contract, it's merely a contract to pay $9.99 a month for 24 months and once you pay it off, that's fulfilled. If you're creating a new line to get the phone, then whatever costs Verizon imposes to create the line, if any, in addition the activation fee which would happen for a new or existing line (Verizon seems to sometimes call the activation fee an upgrade fee lately) would be the only thing additional besides the tax for your overall cost.
I believe it was @45Wheelgun in the other thread who said he paid the phones off as soon as they shipped.
It *shouldn't* be any problem, but I don't believe anything until I see it for myself, and I might try it and see what happens to get a third one this time with the $100 gift card deal, but not sure yet.
FYI, my "upgrade fee" was $20 per phone, and the same "upgrade fee" was referred to as "activation fee" elsewhere, so I believe they're one in the same, although Verizon is less than transparent about this and has caused me confusion before. I'm on the most recently available Verizon Plan.
@45Wheelgun references this walkthrough for how to do it:
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=92290907&postcount=1562
His original post is at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69793678&postcount=45
And "Proof", which is pretty convincing but in the end is merely "strong evidence": https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=92266531&postcount=1419
I just tried to add a line, all looked good, of course it said there would be a $20 a month smartphone access charge on the new line but once I paid the phone off I'd be able to cancel the line. However, the main Pixel page on Best Buy's site says 1) Silver isn't available at all and 2) Black "Shipping:Not Available". I went through the process as far as I could take it anyway and indeed it won't let me do the final checkout without selecting a store, but it tells me there are no stores within 250 miles to pick one up at, so it seems we're at an impasse, and basically maybe Best Buy is trying to dump what little remains of local Pixel stock, wherever they are.
Same issue here. Currently in CA visiting family but also checked my zip code in Portland, OR. No stores within 250 miles.
Also stopped by the local Best Buy and they had no Pixels in stock.
MyRCode said:
Same issue here. Currently in CA visiting family but also checked my zip code in Portland, OR. No stores within 250 miles.
Also stopped by the local Best Buy and they had no Pixels in stock.
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My friend who was the one who made me aware of both the original and the new deal said that this morning it said he could still pick one up locally but that now they're just not available. I checked a few zip codes I was familiar with as well just out of curiosity.
so If I find it in store, sign up for a new account, pay first month, pay off device, can I then use it with my T-Mobile line?
There are no early termination fees if you pick the 24 month Device Payment Plan (DPP). You will have three choices to purchase the phone:
DPP: 9.99/month 24 months
Contract: $199.99 + 24Month Verizon Service Contract
Outright purchase: $650
Any text you see about contracts or ETFs are in reference to the Contract option and have nothing to do with the DPP option. When you get to the purchase agreement you will see it states you are paying the "full price" of $239.76 for the phone and that is the installment agreement you are "signing". In that contract it clearly states there are no penalties for paying it off early. Only penalties it speaks of are if you DON"T pay your installments on time.
DPP is nothing but a 24 Month 0 Interest load. Think 24 months same as cash with the purchase price being $239.76 +TAX
I purchased 2 on Thursday as 2 separate transactions, one as an upgrade and the other as "add a line". Billed for Sales tax on $239.76 (~$17) As soon as they shipped on Friday I paid them off. That immediately restored my "upgrade" account and I will not need to "add a line" as the phones have been paid in full. I received an Email from Verizon notifying me that my DPP contracts were "Paid in Full" and Closed.
My phones will be delivered tomorrow. There has been no change in my plan, all discounts and extras accrued over the years as still in place. I'm unclear at this point if I will need to activate them. If so there will be a $20 activation fee. I'll know sometime tomorrow.
I went back today when I saw the additional $100 and was able to walk through the entire process as an "upgrade" so as far as my account is concerned "it never happened". I even had Verizon offer me $330+ to use it as a trade in!
I do not think you will have any problems if you just add a line but if you create a new account they may want you to either return the phone, paying the full price for it or $350 EFT.
Whatever... it would not be worth it considering the additional fees.
People were mentioning this after looking at the fine print that you agree on and talking with sale managers.
There is also a hard pull of your credit for a new customer, so I do not want to do that and end up reading in the fine print that I must stay with Verizon for 2yr in order to get the Pixel for $130.
Not sure what to do. Did somebody look at all the things that they ask you to sign or can post screenshots?
Camicia said:
I do not think you will have any problems if you just add a line but if you create a new account they may want you to either return the phone, paying the full price for it or $350 EFT.
Not sure what to do. Did somebody look at all the things that they ask you to sign or can post screenshots?
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Did you look at the link I gave a few posts up (first page I think) with the link to the "proof/evidence" that there will be no ETF if you pay off the phone. I believe it, for what it's worth, but can't take advantage of it any more than I already did since there are no stores within 250 miles of me to pick it up, which is the only option now. I'll add that to the OP when I can.
Yeah... I saw a bunch of posts of that guy, DEEE. He has been active on that thread for 3 days no stop. There are some funny flames He wants to be the "go-to person". He also does everything to shut up who contradicts him. Either he needs some attentions or somebody must pay him to be there and do the promotion.
A few people keep saying "check the contract. It is just $240." but a few others found something off. Check the posts related to this one:
https://slickdeals.net/f/9417827-be...es-100-bb-e-gift-card?p=92444587#post92444587
What I got from that:
- At checkout you sign both DPP and the https://www.verizonwireless.com/legal/notices/customer-agreement/
- The DPP (that is titled "RETAIL INSTALLMENT CONTRACT") says you are subject to the Verizon agreement too. So you need to interpret them together.
- The conclusion seems to be:
1) If you leave Verizon before 14 days then you have to return the phone (or pay full amount for it)
2) If you leave after 14 days you have to pay other $350.
Verizon lawyers are not dumb.
Either somebody that studied law can interpret those contracts and tell me that everything is fine or I will stay out of this deal. It is not $240 vs $250, it is $240 vs $700.
Updated the OP: as of earlier today Best Buy was out of Silver and you could only order the Black one if you had a Best Buy location within 250 miles of a zip code you entered so that you could physically pick the phone up. i.e. They weren't offering shipping them any longer.
Speculation: Best Buy is dumping their remaining inventory of all regular Pixels (they only carry the 32GB models) and they they already sold all the ones in their warehouses.
Completely sold out of all the Best Buys in Portland, OR
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