Hi guys,
I'm really new to this, so please excuse me asking basic stuff.
I am an iPhone user and I am familiar with linux and flashing of a huge number of different devices (Nokia, Xbox360, Xbox, Siemens, PSX...). I am living in the US, but my girlfriend lives in Germany. What I did is, I got her a AT&T locked HTC Aria for x-mas. I am aware of the difference between rooting and unlocking, but still I have some basic questions:
1. Do I unlock the device before or after I root? Does it make a difference at all?
2. As the phone is meant to be used in Germany, which (as unbranded as possible) image should I use? Can I use liberated R012/FR006 or doesn't this work in Europe? Could I use the Gratia Image?
2a.) Shall I go for FroYo or rather stick with Eclair?
3. Does the change/upgrade/renew of the image affect the unlock in any way?
4. Can I unlock the phone with an app or similar, when the device is rooted or do I have to pay for the unlock code?
Thank you so much in advance, I really appreciate your work and your help,
Tim
P.S. I used the forum search and did not find an current answer to my questions
Maybe someone can also give me some advice on what to read, just to understand the basic stuff.
Thanks!
Hi, I'm not an expert, but here is my experience in case it helps:
Diction said:
Hi guys,
1. Do I unlock the device before or after I root? Does it make a difference at all?
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I unlocked first with HTCSimUnlock.com - had to pay the extended search fee.
2. As the phone is meant to be used in Germany, which (as unbranded as possible) image should I use? Can I use liberated R012/FR006 or doesn't this work in Europe? Could I use the Gratia Image?
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I used liberated_aria_R012, then the "update": la_www_update_R002_signed referenced in the first post in his thread. However I can't get Titanium Backup to remove the bloatware social networking stuff like facebook, ppok, etc., as others recommend. I also couldn't remove them using the complicated "SDK" method as the "ADB" can't find the phone. I don't know whether this is anything to do with the version of the ROM (I know there are more recent versions), but I got fed up after 6 hours trying, so now my wife (it's her phone) just has to live with the clutter
2a.) Shall I go for FroYo or rather stick with Eclair?
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The version I have is Eclair - works fine, not noticeably faster or slower than the stock ROM.
3. Does the change/upgrade/renew of the image affect the unlock in any way?
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Don't think so - not for me anyway, I have used many network SIM cards in the UK, US, Poland, Macedonia, Qatar, UAE, Italy (haven't been to Germany recently, sorry!)
4. Can I unlock the phone with an app or similar, when the device is rooted or do I have to pay for the unlock code?
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I didn't find a free way to do it. There is a thread here which lists a few.
Maybe someone can also give me some advice on what to read, just to understand the basic stuff.
Thanks!
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I think I know how you feel. Even after a few years of familiarity with custom ROMs for Windows Mobile phones, this business of android "rooting", "ADB-ing", etc. and commands that look like Unix, it all sounds a a bit intimidating, especially since the "flash menu" entries aren't quite as the guides say in respect of the USB connection, bot following this thread about "unrevoked" is the way I went.
Good luck
I don't think the rom you use will really matter, so I'd recomnd (if you don't mind running on the experimental side) the cm6.1 roms.
For unlocking, just call att and tell them you want to use it for international travel. They'll give you the code for free. I did this with my old blackberry 9000, took a few weeks, but it was basically 0 hassle. My experience was with an off contract phone, but I understand it works with on contract phones as well, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but theres no harm in trying.
hi
i would suggest to wait for gratia in europe (i think it should be released in some days)
i use a aria in austria (ordered a week before htc pronounced that gratia will come to europe ) - works fine but only edge not hsdpa is working for data connection (due to differenze frequences in us & europe)
otherwise no problem with that greate phone
dopsi said:
... works fine but only edge not hsdpa is working for data connection (due to differenze frequences in us & europe)
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I get HSPDA with my wife's AT&T Aria, in all the European countries & Middle Eastern I visited and except rarely when in the UK and she doesn't get an Orange signal (her carrier), and it switches to T-Mobile's GPRS. Not sure if Austria's different, or may be the APN settings are working, but in my experience HSPDA is possible with the Aria phone hardware.
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...For unlocking, just call att and tell them you want to use it for international travel. They'll give you the code for free.
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I tried that but they refused as I wasn't the original AT&T owner (got it from eBay). Maybe you'll be luckier.
There's a helpful looking video on youtube by the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjgg__m-KHc. Although it doesn't look like an AT&T phone, it seems to cover all the steps.
@kc1: are you sure?
i would be happy it it would work!!!
when you look at the specification at htc.com for aria and gratia you will find
gratia
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
and aria (us)
Dual Mode UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (1900/850MHZ) &
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (Quad band 850/900/1800/1900MHZ);
and i tried at with different carriers (orange, t-mobile, a1) - no change to get even a connection when changing into WCDMA mode...
dopsi said:
@kc1: are you sure?
i would be happy it it would work!!!
when you look at the specification at htc.com for aria and gratia you will find
gratia
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
and aria (us)
Dual Mode UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (1900/850MHZ) &
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (Quad band 850/900/1800/1900MHZ);
and i tried at with different carriers (orange, t-mobile, a1) - no change to get even a connection when changing into WCDMA mode...
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@Dopsi:
Like it says in the Aria specs you've quoted above: "HSDPA". When I'm roaming in Europe & UAE, etc. I get an "H" and a fast connection if I turn the data on in most cities/countries. In other places sometimes "3G". I don't know what frequency Austria uses for it's networks (Due to be back in Salzburg after x-mas so will try it next month.), but I do know that in the past when I've only had a "G" or "E", it has been if I had the wrong APN settings. e.g. with O2, if you pick the "MMS" or "Wap" APN instead of the o2web, and similar for T-Mobile
thanks
Hi everyone!
First of all, I want to thank you for all of your advices. I have not been around for the last days, so I couldn't reply earlier. I read your answers and they were really helpful to me!
As I mentioned before, I am a total newbie when it comes to Android OS or HTC handsets. The HTC homepage and many other forums say, that the aria won't operate on the European UMTS standard. Is this due to a hardware limitation or might this be fixed by using a different rom (like the one of the gratia)?
If this won't be working, is it possible to use skype on mobile with Edge?
Thanks again, have a great day!
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@Dopsi:
Like it says in the Aria specs you've quoted above: "HSDPA". When I'm roaming in Europe & UAE, etc. I get an "H" and a fast connection if I turn the data on in most cities/countries. In other places sometimes "3G". I don't know what frequency Austria uses for it's networks (Due to be back in Salzburg after x-mas so will try it next month.), but I do know that in the past when I've only had a "G" or "E", it has been if I had the wrong APN settings. e.g. with O2, if you pick the "MMS" or "Wap" APN instead of the o2web, and similar for T-Mobile
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I would also like to know how you got HSDPA to work in europe. I have a AT&T Aria wich I'm trying to get to work with 3G/HSDPA in Sweden. It's unlocked through the same site you used and has the "liberated_aria_R012" rom with the "la_www_update_R002_signed" update. I have tested several different APN settings but I'm still stuck with Edge. I've read that the Aria's hardware doesn't support the 2100/900MHz band but your experiences says otherwise. Please bring some light to this problem
Any updates on that? I really would like to operate the phone in europe using full 3G speed!
Maybe it's possible to reflash the radio image?
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I would also like to know how you got HSDPA to work in europe. I have a AT&T Aria wich I'm trying to get to work with 3G/HSDPA in Sweden. It's unlocked through the same site you used and has the "liberated_aria_R012" rom with the "la_www_update_R002_signed" update. I have tested several different APN settings but I'm still stuck with Edge. I've read that the Aria's hardware doesn't support the 2100/900MHz band but your experiences says otherwise. Please bring some light to this problem
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The AT&T branded Aria does not support the 900/2100MHz bands for UTMS. Only 850/1900, so you probably won't be able to get 3G. Flashing a new radio will not work because the frequencies are in the hardware, not controlled by software.
*grml* Stupid USA!!! Can't they just use the standard of the rest of the world?
Thanks anyway, maybe Edge is fast enough for my girlfriend's needs.
Do you guys think it is possible that some major cities have installed some antennas for the US standard to make the mobile internet faster for visitors? This would explain the experience of @Dopsi.
Thanks for your replies!
Tim
Diction said:
*grml* Stupid USA!!! Can't they just use the standard of the rest of the world?
Thanks anyway, maybe Edge is fast enough for my girlfriend's needs.
Do you guys think it is possible that some major cities have installed some antennas for the US standard to make the mobile internet faster for visitors? This would explain the experience of @Dopsi.
Thanks for your replies!
Tim
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I just reread Dopsi's replies and he said he only gets EDGE, not HSPA despite all of the different settings he has tried.
Ah, right, it was kc1 saying:
I get HSPDA with my wife's AT&T Aria, in all the European countries & Middle Eastern I visited and except rarely when in the UK and she doesn't get an Orange signal (her carrier), and it switches to T-Mobile's GPRS. Not sure if Austria's different, or may be the APN settings are working, but in my experience HSPDA is possible with the Aria phone hardware.
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Hello guys,
actually there are two types of HTC Aria:
HTC Gratia (HTC Liberty):
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
HTC Aria A6380 (HTC Liberty):
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
HTC Aria A6366 (HTC Liberty):
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
So you want to use HTC Gratia or Aria A6380 in Europe and I guess AT&T is selling Aria A6366.
Btw, you can find all 3 of them in the Device Database of this site.
I am not sure where you can verify which version you have. If you figure it out please let me know...
Mage
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I would also like to know how you got HSDPA to work in europe. I have a AT&T Aria wich I'm trying to get to work with 3G/HSDPA in Sweden. It's unlocked through the same site you used and has the "liberated_aria_R012" rom with the "la_www_update_R002_signed" update. I have tested several different APN settings but I'm still stuck with Edge. I've read that the Aria's hardware doesn't support the 2100/900MHz band but your experiences says otherwise. Please bring some light to this problem
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Hey may actually have the Aria sold in Asia, which is compatible with euro HSDPA.
CMage,
my Aria from ATT via Amazon shows Model number "HTC Gratia A6380" from Settings>About Phone>Phone Identity. It was shipped in Aug. Thought this was interesting based on the list of available models.
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CMage,
my Aria from ATT via Amazon shows Model number "HTC Gratia A6380" from Settings>About Phone>Phone Identity. It was shipped in Aug. Thought this was interesting based on the list of available models.
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Interesting indeed. HTC didn't even announce the Gratia until October 2010. So does your Aria have the AT&T logo on it?
Hello to everyone
I am considering buying the Dell Venue Android phone from Dell US site, and it's giving me the option to choose from 3G-Optimized for PCS networks (AT&T, etc) and 3G-Optimized for AWS networks (T-Mobile, etc). The problem is that I would be using it in Europe, with European SIM cards. The phone is unlocked, so no problems there. I just want to ask which version is better suited for European 3G networks, some say neither, some say either...
Could somebody here shed some light into this? It would be much appreciated
Thank you
Link --> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...1&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&model_id=mobile-venue
Ask your provider. In Russia, 3G runs at 2100MHz and both models working fine.
Sent from my Dell Venue using XDA App
Thanx Samver
Here in Serbia 3G also runs on 2100 (or so I'm told), but my service provider couldn't or wouldn't help me with purchasing Venue, I think they're just clueless.
Which version of Venue are you using? Are you able to use HSPA/HSDPA in Russia on your phone?
my phone is the AWS version, from Hong Kong, HSPA/HSDPA working
My connection right now http://internet.yandex.ru/informer/horizontal/718-983.png
Sent from my Dell Venue using XDA App
Get the AWS version if you dont plan on using it with At&t in the US or rogers in canada.
PCS = US model: 850/1900/2100
AWS: 900/1700/2100
Most european carriers: 900/2100
As they both support 2100 you'll still get 3g whereever 2100 3g is available. But in the unlikely chance that only 900 is available only the AWS model can recieve 3g on it.
Thanx Manii, thanx Samver, you've been most helpful
I guess I'll go with AWS version, can't wait to get my hands on it!
Can you do me a favor when you recieve it?
When you get it on and booted can you go to settings -> about phone and tell me the:
Baseband version:
Build number:
I will, no problem, it'll just take some time until I receive it.
Just got my Venue, looks wonderful
@ TheManii
Baseband version: GTOUB1A130730-AWS
Build number: 13505
I bought it unlocked from dell.com few weeks ago, as AWS 3G optimized version.
Thanks for responding, that sure took a while to ship.
I was hoping to see a new rom that i dont have, but as it has 307 i already have that rom
Well, it arrived after about a week, I was waiting for a friend of mine to bring it to Europe.
Hope we'll see new ROM soon...
Just a quick question - any ideas where I could find the drivers for my Venue, for Win XP? Wanna use USB tether, but it keeps asking me for Dell Venue driver, and the tetherxp.inf from Google is not functioning...
Thanx
Anyone? Still can't use USB tethering, tried tetherxp.inf, tried ADB tethering driver from sd card from my Venue, tried Dell Connection Manager, Dell Control point etc.
Thanx
Found a solution, easytether.
http://easytether.blogspot.com/2010/10/easytether-drivers.html
Works ok for now.
I am currently looking at purchasing a used Dell Streak, it is in Australia (so am I) but the seller says it was originally from the USA. Looking at a few different sites, the spec for American Streaks says UMTS 850. (Eg.: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dell_Streak )
The network I would most like to use here is Australia is Telstra's NextG network; it is described here: http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/3g_for_network_engineers
thus:
""3G" is a broad category of standards and services around "broadband" mobile wireless voice and data. Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) is part of this family and is the standard used for 3G services in Australia. Telstra's NextG product is a UMTS implementation using a Wideband CDMA (W-CDMA) radio carrier in the 850 MHz band. There are "legacy" pockets of 2100 MHz used in some areas. Most modems are capable of automatically switching between the two bands, though not always of making the best choice. Some Telstra technical staff recommend sticking to the 850 MHz band."
I know that the Dell Streak version sold here by Optus (Telstra didn't sell them)
was NOT usable on the NextG network, but the info above from the links seems to imply that a Streak built for the USA would be?
Am I correct, or am I missing something?
Thanks, Bernie.
Yes, the US Dell Streak will work on Telstra's NextG.
Currently using it. Getting around 2770kbps down and 1339kbps up.
so um.... hardware should be the same, so a baseband / radio flash + custom mod should enable it?
you running a custom rom or a us standard?
cheers mate
blues
Thanks bluhound,
I'm also interested to know if you can update an Aussie or UK version like live_blues suggests. Any idea?
Thanks, Bernie.
You don't have to flash anything. The US firmware will work with NextG out of the box.
I don't think you will be able to flash an Aussie ROM as only Optus has the Streak and that model operates on the 900Mhz freq, not Telstra's 850Mhz.
I am currently running on StreakDroid 1.9.1 with DSP v360.
Dell Streak FAQ - xda wiki
See the last two lines, roms do not determine/affect your 3G freqs or lock status, it's determined solely by the configuration applied to the device when it was manufactured.
Roms do not care what submodel/lock status you have, you can install any rom and it wont change anything here.
There is also no concept of a AUS rom as the only roms loaded on devices sold there are unbranded/retail (unless they changed it some time during it's lifetime)
thx Manii, so its a manufacturing thingy... interesting... im sporting a UK Streak in Oz, guess I would just have to try
Can someone tell me the model number for the AWS streak 5, ive been looking but have been getting conflicting amswers, Are the model numbers unique to the AWS band ones and the non AWS band phones? and also which country do the AWS ones come from, thanks in advance
I dont think there is a particular model #...just has umts on the spec decal on the box
Sent from my AWS Dell Streak
Vinsane said:
I dont think there is a particular model #...just has umts on the spec decal on the box
Sent from my AWS Dell Streak
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damn, alright seems Im going to have to wing it while looking and depend on the common sense of the seller
Just check the baseband version, it's at the end. But that requires the device to be bootable, though i'd imagine there's no point of buying a non working device except for parts
Well i have a AWS Streak From Cincinnati Bell Carrier locked, i bought the phone from a guy that said he put the Power_Rom on its the 1.2 Build
Its
2.3.4
GAUSB1A134934-EU It should say aws at the end
2.6.35.7-perf
ASK's Power_Rom
1.2
Is their anyway i can change the baseband back to an aws version so i can get 3G or is their no way to do that i did some searching and could find any certain aws baseband versions. And this phone is an aws version phone i had check and verified with cincinnati bell.
Is it unlocked now? that's the only thing that really matters.
Its not unlocked i check when i got home i put in a tmobile sim att sim and and a international version sim and they all say carrier locked and ask to put in a code but it works fine on the cincinnati bell sim but only gets edge
I also checked the apn settings and everything is correct
Well unless you happen to have a cincinatti bell in your area then, it wouldnt matter as it's still sim locked
I dont think you get what im trying to do
I live in cincinnati and have a cincinnati bell unlimited plan 4G/3G
Im just trying to know if i can restore the baseband back to normal to get the 3G back
and if so what baseband could i use? Right now the phone is acting like its an EU
European model on my Streak box it has UMTS900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100 And its the
M01M002 so its AWS
Is their a way for me to do this are am i screwed
Oh, I guess I misred it then, as I figured you lived in europe from the title.
You cant change the sub-model, it's physically impossible. BUT 349 is the cincinatti bell rom.
If it were a different rom i'd suggest reinstalling 349, but that isnt an option as that rom has never been dumped (i have no information at all on it except the version number)
When in doubt, install 360 and work your way form there, the files and instructions are on the xda wiki.
If your device is truely GAUSB1A134934-EU then something went terribly wrong somewhere.
I did as suggested and everything went smooth but it still says eu
Is their anyone with an aws update pkg?
And is their a such thing as an aws amss.mbn?
Any help would be great, but I might just sell it and get another streak after tonight.
Basebands dont care about whichever submodel you have.
I cant say what you should do, if you were the original owner i'd say take it to CBell and ask them, but who knows if they'll support a 2ndhand owner.
Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
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