Sadly enough there is much chat in threads.
Even a comparison about the Arc and X10 in a thread about a mod.
Would it be possible to just remove posts that are really off-topic?
15 pages for a thread with <10 really on-topic posts
that's an awful lot of time spent sifting through threads and threads full of crap...
I completely agree. Please somebody do something about this. Start giving out bans. The ratio of crap to actual development talk is at least 10-1. It seriously hinders the ability of the forum to facilitate collaboration on the projects being done.
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I completely agree. Please somebody do something about this. Start giving out bans. The ratio of crap to actual development talk is at least 10-1. It seriously hinders the ability of the forum to facilitate collaboration on the projects being done.
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i've been on xda for quite some time, and i will admit that the x10 forums are the biggest cluster of useless banter, repetitive topics/questions and un-uniformed threads.
however, this is not the mods faults. there are posts for rules, and outlines for thread title structures and thread behavior. however, it seems that a lot of the x10 owners have a hard time following these rules and guidelines.
i can't imagine how anyone new to the game could come here and follow anything as far as learning how to mod their x10.
Just a hint: This might be more effective if it was in the correct forum.
Hard to ***** when you're part of the problem...
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Just a hint: This might be more effective if it was in the correct forum.
Hard to ***** when you're part of the problem...
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+1 Especially since the same threads are just as full of these type posts and rude people who take the time and space to ***** rather than just answering someone's question or simply moving on.
wait a second...arent you doing that right now?
Let's just end it here,
no *****ing!
we're all nice people
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Hi,
I like stuff.
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wait a second...arent you doing that right now?
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True. I am just trying to make the point that there is a lot of both going on. (It seems you got my point...it's borderline hypocrisy)
I find myself in the middle. The only time I get frustrated is when I'm searching for an answer or it's a guide or tutorial. It boils down to time savings.
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Sadly enough there is much chat in threads.
Even a comparison about the Arc and X10 in a thread about a mod.
Would it be possible to just remove posts that are really off-topic?
15 pages for a thread with <10 really on-topic posts
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Can you please report the threads or posts .
As you may know we are not 24/7 on xda and doing this will help a lot.
I'll move this thread since it's in the wrong section
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i can't imagine how anyone new to the game could come here and follow anything as far as learning how to mod their x10.[/QUOTE]
I must count myself as someone who may not be following all the rules. After following the forums for 6 months and having rooted, xrecovery, tweaked build.prop as well as flashing and bricking two phones, I am finding it hard to move onto a newer rom.
The search function on XDA seems to rely mostly on tags. I get better results trying Google. Only 1 of 5 XDA searches even returns any results at all and often not confined to the subforums I wanted. When posting I do check the suggestions that the system shows as related but again it is inaccurate.
Finally the devs have moved to a short form install which has more steps than in the past. At first we had all inclusive roms which updated baseband and 'firmware'. Now we have many that are parts; baseband and firmware can be independent installs. Dual touch can be separated or not. On top of this we have the roms which have the SE apps or not, other OEM apps or interfaces or themes pre-installed. It's confusion for everyone.
The threads started several versions of some of the roms earlier and many posts do not have a relationship anymore to the current version. It's time to trash the thread and start anew with a locked sticky that has only the instructions and current links.
While the devs have made great strides with the instructions, I believe most of the readers here want as few steps as possible without branches and a return to the all-inclusive roms would simplify life for most people instead of trying to figure out what the baseband or preinstalling dual touch or a newer generic SE rom as a prerequisite is needed to get to the rom that we are trying to install.
JMHO.
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Can you please report the threads or posts .
As you may know we are not 24/7 on xda and doing this will help a lot.
I'll move this thread since it's in the wrong section
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Will do. Thanks, Clown.
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The search function on XDA seems to rely mostly on tags. I get better results trying Google. Only 1 of 5 XDA searches even returns any results at all and often not confined to the subforums I wanted. When posting I do check the suggestions that the system shows as related but again it is inaccurate.
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By far the best way to search is going to Google and using "site:http://forum.xda-developers.com X10 Blah blah blah". I don't even bother with the xda search anymore.
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Finally the devs have moved to a short form install which has more steps than in the past. At first we had all inclusive roms which updated baseband and 'firmware'. Now we have many that are parts; baseband and firmware can be independent installs. Dual touch can be separated or not. On top of this we have the roms which have the SE apps or not, other OEM apps or interfaces or themes pre-installed. It's confusion for everyone.
The threads started several versions of some of the roms earlier and many posts do not have a relationship anymore to the current version. It's time to trash the thread and start anew with a locked sticky that has only the instructions and current links.
While the devs have made great strides with the instructions, I believe most of the readers here want as few steps as possible without branches and a return to the all-inclusive roms would simplify life for most people instead of trying to figure out what the baseband or preinstalling dual touch or a newer generic SE rom as a prerequisite is needed to get to the rom that we are trying to install.
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I'm not trying to be a ****, but this is xda-developers, not xda-"cool **** for your phone". This is a place for development, and while the community is here to help everyone learn, people get the priorities wrong. There is a time and place for questions (In the Q&A section), and it's NOT the dev threads.
Threads in "Android Development" should be just that; It really hurts everyone when the ROM threads get filled with "How do I flash this?" and "Where's the download for X?". It's not the dev's duty to hold the hand of everyone who doesn't know what xRecovery is. I've installed nearly every ROM for the X10, and I'm sorry, but if you can't figure out how to do it, you shouldn't be in the Android Development forum in the first place.
There are a million threads on how to root, JIT, and flash custom ROMs, yet we still see new "HOW TO SPEED UP UR EXPERIA!!!" and "I want this rom, HOW?" threads every day. It's crazy that people can't read the stickies and ask in the correct forum. The post count restriction for dev forums was a start, but I think we see far too few bans for outright disregard for devs and the forum rules.
This is all JMHO, of course, but I'm sure I'm not alone in these sentiments.
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Can you please report the threads or posts .
As you may know we are not 24/7 on xda and doing this will help a lot.
I'll move this thread since it's in the wrong section
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I am glad notice is being taken of the sad trend in some of the xda-developers.com forums. I would humbly like to suggest that a 'report this' tag is included on threads for members to indicate to 'mods' that a particular comment is starting a 'flame war.' Habitual 'flammers' and obnoxious behaviour can then be quickly identified and appropriate action taken against them.
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I am glad notice is being taken of the sad trend in some of the xda-developers.com forums. I would humbly like to suggest that a 'report this' tag is included on threads for members to indicate to 'mods' that a particular comment is starting a 'flame war.' Habitual 'flammers' and obnoxious behaviour can then be quickly identified and appropriate action taken against them.
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I apologise there is indeed a report 'triangle' but it is rather inconspicous and easily missed. It will be great it is elevated to the same format as the 'Thanks" or 'Qoute' buttons
What's even worse than spam in threads? Threads made *****ing about it.
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What's even worse than spam in threads? Threads made *****ing about it.
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And posts *****ing about threads *****ing about it.
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I'm not trying to be a ****, but this is xda-developers, not xda-"cool **** for your phone". This is a place for development, and while the community is here to help everyone learn, people get the priorities wrong. There is a time and place for questions (In the Q&A section), and it's NOT the dev threads.
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Sure, Q&A section. But it IS xda-cool **** for your phone.
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Threads in "Android Development" should be just that; It really hurts everyone when the ROM threads get filled with "How do I flash this?" and "Where's the download for X?". It's not the dev's duty to hold the hand of everyone who doesn't know what xRecovery is. I've installed nearly every ROM for the X10, and I'm sorry, but if you can't figure out how to do it, you shouldn't be in the Android Development forum in the first place.
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This contradicts what you've said the in the first segment, we're here to learn, and you can only do that with all the language differences here when clear instructions are listed. Forums/websites all around the world, such as Android Central, Gizmodo/Engadget etc., all point readers to here for many handsets. XDA is NEWS as much as anything else.
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There are a million threads on how to root, JIT, and flash custom ROMs, yet we still see new "HOW TO SPEED UP UR EXPERIA!!!" and "I want this rom, HOW?" threads every day. It's crazy that people can't read the stickies and ask in the correct forum. The post count restriction for dev forums was a start, but I think we see far too few bans for outright disregard for devs and the forum rules.
This is all JMHO, of course, but I'm sure I'm not alone in these sentiments.
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I do understand your frustration with users both personally and professionally- they're a PITA. Unfortunately users are what programmers have to cater to- as cool as something might be as a developer- if it's unusable in a practical way, it's only instructional. If XDA's only for learning there's no need here for device specific forums or even posting roms, just post the code snippets that needed modification to get version x.y.z to work; then we can all make our own variant, after all the android SDK is free and was one of the original ways to sideload a app onto any phone. All of us devs have an Eclipse IDE, etc. only post code to compile and that will keep out the riffraff.
XDA doesn't have a Quality-Assurance group to validate posts or the qualifications of the devs or the roms they present or the instruction sheet. I'm sort of personally suspicious of just putting anything on my phone, as where better to hide something than in a rom, and Android already (as well as GSM itself) have enough security issues. Some of the install instructions have been very vague, and if you, as a dev, know the files you want everyone to try, are not xRecovery compatible or require a particular version of the FlashTool or root or whatever, say so upfront. While "I" know 435 is LATER than 453, 497 and 504, not everyone is familiar with all the x10 roms or knows to go to PTCRB to check which ones end in those numbers; therefore, post the entire firmware and baseband number and avoid that question. RTFM is a very old catchphrase that doesn't apply here since there is no manual since you're writing the manual NOW.
I personally support the locking of the dev threads with links to roms to anyone but the OP. Maybe there should be a "Enduser Firmware to Try" subforum which is readable by all, but only postable by mods/devs with firmware of a high enough quality and the ability to support end-users. I've bricked two phones before there was a way to debrick them that worked.
If devs want money or beer or free space in the cloud that's in my name, be upfront, be clear, be helpful and some percentage of the folks here will reward you just as they would pay DaVinci Wotan, Unlockitnow, et al.
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Sure, Q&A section. But it IS xda-cool **** for your phone.
This contradicts what you've said the in the first segment...
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No it isn't, and no it doesn't. There can be room for both (development / learning), but people don't seem to understand the boundaries of either.
I'm not here to argue, just stating my opinion.
Related
http://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_vendor_cyanogen/blob/froyo/CHANGELOG.mkdn
Is it testing? Or released?
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Is that really working or is it just "in development" still?
Hyao, gtfo, you are a spammer and/or moron.
Well it says RC so I dont think its fully stable yet
Why don't you do two things:
Add "question" to your thread's title so that forum viewers don't burst in excitement as they see a thread labeled CyanogenMod and think that a release candidate is ready for download.
Post questions in the Q&A section. If a CyanogenMod thread is going to be in the development section, it should be about development.
"Builds for each device are slowly hitting the mirrors. ..and before you ask, there's no Vibrant or apps2ext support."
http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/statuses/28961699673
well, this is what cyanogen tweeted..
"Builds for each device are slowly hitting the mirrors. ..and before you ask, there's no Vibrant or apps2ext support."
so yeah, no vibrant support
it is release now.......there is an instruction on flashing...
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_Samsung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)
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it is release now.......there is an instruction on flashing...
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_Samsung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)
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not to sound rude, but... ummm... can you read?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.p...msung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)#Flashing_CyanogenMod
"NOTE: As of right now CyanogenMod is not available for the Samsung Vibrant. Please check the wiki or the Samsung Galaxy S sub-forum for updates."
It's not available for vibrant right now
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kuhan said:
not to sound rude, but... ummm... can you read?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.p...msung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)#Flashing_CyanogenMod
"NOTE: As of right now CyanogenMod is not available for the Samsung Vibrant. Please check the wiki or the Samsung Galaxy S sub-forum for updates."
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DooooooooooooooooD - I'm telling Mom on you for lying........... Maybe soon eh.
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it is release now.......there is an instruction on flashing...
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_Samsung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)
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if you would have clicked on your own link you would realize that you are wrong...wow, I now see why devs leave xda, it's a shame really, us users need to be more aware. the only person (okay not the only) that didn't post his roms here was htc clay for the g1 but someone would post it here "with his permission" not just random post like this one...it's not hard ppl just do your homework before you post something...
Well I got CM7 on mine so booya. I'mma take a real blurry pic and pr0f it for all the cool android sites to be like YAAA new rumor GINGERBRAEDDDDDDDDDDD
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Well I got CM7 on mine so booya. I'mma take a real blurry pic and pr0f it for all the cool android sites to be like YAAA new rumor GINGERBRAEDDDDDDDDDDD
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Sweet...i got mine tooo
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Well I got CM7 on mine so booya. I'mma take a real blurry pic and pr0f it for all the cool android sites to be like YAAA new rumor GINGERBRAEDDDDDDDDDDD
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Daaaaaaaaaaannnnngggggg Anderdroid - will ya post a link? lol........
BTW - Love your AOSP 1.3 - Runs well with Manhattan. d/l'ng 1.4 now.
Thanks for your work!
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not to sound rude, but... ummm... can you read?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.p...msung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)#Flashing_CyanogenMod
"NOTE: As of right now CyanogenMod is not available for the Samsung Vibrant. Please check the wiki or the Samsung Galaxy S sub-forum for updates."
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Before anything else....title of the forum is not Cynogenmod for vibrant....lol....
Actually it looks like there is a RC0 release foor the Vibrant but it is likely only available for the devs:
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/8302-the-state-of-the-galaxy/
It appears a reminder may be in order, about the purpose of the development fora on XDA.
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
For all the Devs in the ASGS2 forum, are you guys finding your rom/kernel threads being clogged up with a bunch of random questions/issues? How would you feel if I made you all each a Q&A thread dedicated to your work in the Q&A forum? Do you feel that would help you/your thread? Please let me know what you think or how you feel, and hit up the poll to cast your vote.
This was done in the Cappy section because they had a minimum post restriction to keep the spoon feeding clutter down in the Dev section. Not sure if that restriction is also in this section. It was only like 10 post minimum though.
I tried to do this manually with Hellraiser, but it hasn't really taken off. To be honest, right now the I777 community isn't the epic cesspool that some other forums are. However over time this could change... But the kinds of users that clutter development threads are the kind who don't bother to go to Q&A threads - so does it really help anything?
we did this over in captivate forums, it worked well.
we did this over in inspire forums, it was met with serious backlash by lazy ass people, and ignorance to change.
tough decision. Entropy has a point, those people wouldnt bother going to a Q&A thread...the Q&A threads should be a place where the users help each other out and raise issues. the dev threads should be there to report ACTUAL issues and request features. what happens is that one person has a problem with flashing the rom and they assume its the devs fault, and the rom is broken, and they report it as a bug....its a vicious cycle that will never end.
Well this forum is for you guys, so if you dont think its needed then I wont worry about it... just trying to help all the great devs out and make things easier if I can.
If you guys have any other suggestions or want to try something out, feel free to say.
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im no developer but ive been around the forums and have come from a forum with less of a following. the problem is that the people who are asking the question's in the threads are 60-70% of the time dont read directions and will end up posting in the wrong forum anyways.... its a novel idea but i dont think it will take off, unless you lock the rom forum to devs and testers only
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im no developer but ive been around the forums and have come from a forum with less of a following. the problem is that the people who are asking the question's in the threads are 60-70% of the time dont read directions and will end up posting in the wrong forum anyways.... its a novel idea but i dont think it will take off, unless you lock the rom forum to devs and testers only
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That sort of defeats the purpose I think, and I also believe that most Devs here like to have people post in their threads.
Alright guys. Ill keep it the way it already is. If your threads seem to get clogged, or you want your own dedicated Q&A thread, let me know and Ill make the adjustment at that time. Thanks for all your feedback.
I would appreciate it, so far most of the users in this forum are above average when it comes to figuring things out own their own (searching). Only thing is I wish there was more ROM choices/themes.
I don't feel the need for a Q&A thread right now. I find it a bit tedious to follow two threads for my ROMs instead of one. Also, I don't really mind a few redundant questions here and there as long as it doesn't get out of hand, which it hasn't yet.
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we did this over in captivate forums, it worked well.
we did this over in inspire forums, it was met with serious backlash by lazy ass people, and ignorance to change.
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I wasn't a lazy ass or ignorant!!!!
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I wasn't a lazy ass or ignorant!!!!
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lol. feelin guilty are ya?
Not a dev, but I do post quite often in both the dev and QA sections. I don't think there should be two threads. It seems it is more effective if there is only one thread dedicated to that rom/modem/kernel, with all bugs and support given out. Of course if you have a more complex issue, it should have it's own thread. But small issues with the rom or questions regarding how something works should be contained in the same thread as the development of the rom.
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Not a dev, but I do post quite often in both the dev and QA sections. I don't think there should be two threads. It seems it is more effective if there is only one thread dedicated to that rom/modem/kernel, with all bugs and support given out. Of course if you have a more complex issue, it should have it's own thread. But small issues with the rom or questions regarding how something works should be contained in the same thread as the development of the rom.
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i agree with this, but there tends to be an influx of people posting the same CRAP over and over and over and over in a dev thread. personally i dont give 2 flips about someone saying "THANKS!" or "CANT WAIT TO FLASH THIS!" or "WHEN IS THE NEXT UPDATE?!", i want to see CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms, requests, or logcats. having to filter through all the BS really makes it difficult to discern actual issues from fluff. there tends to be a lot of fluff that happens.
i see the dev threads as being specifically for requests/bug-tracking/break-fixes. the other stuff belongs in a thread where the users can praise, bicker, ask questions repeatedly (how do i flash this?). it should be peers helping out peers, and let the devs work on their stuff. but alas, we will never have utopian bliss....
we are lucky we havent seen much of that at all here in the GS2 forums, but man some of the other forums are riddled with noobery. lets just try to keep it clean and ask our members to mind the rules and understand whats going on.
Yeah... I think as long as things don't become like the Infuse forums where some of the ROM threads became utter nightmares we'll be fine. But let's keep it in our back pocket in case we need it. I may even discontinue my Hellraiser Q&A for the time being.
If there's anything we may need, it may potentially be to split the development forum like the I9100 forums were in order to differentiate ports of other developer's ROMs from actual development. It isn't too bad here yet, but the Infuse forums are chock full of integrated Hellraiser ports and it's difficult to find original development among all of the ports.
I think the definitions for "Original" vs "not original" in the I9100 forums seem to be a bit arbitrary, if we DO ever go that route here I think it needs to be clearer.
"Original" - You yourself have taken a stock ROM (may be stock for another device) and modified it from scratch on the I777. All kernel development can remain here in my opinion. Discussion of actual porting techniques used by the other section can be here.
"Not original" - Another dev creates a ROM for another device, and an I777 user ports it to the I777 via Hellraiser or another technique. e.g. Hellraiser-integrated ROMs and such.
We don't need this yet here but we may - and honestly the Infuse forums need it.
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For all the Devs in the ASGS2 forum, are you guys finding your rom/kernel threads being clogged up with a bunch of random questions/issues? How would you feel if I made you all each a Q&A thread dedicated to your work in the Q&A forum? Do you feel that would help you/your thread? Please let me know what you think or how you feel, and hit up the poll to cast your vote.
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I did this in the forums that PG mentioned. While yes it was a bit of a headache in the inspire forums ( they are getting used to it) and the captivate section went off without an issue I would say to go for it and if needed ill help where I can. I have to admite the 2 forums that I did this for once it was gotten by most needs less cleaning now for sure. Mainly when other users back you on it.
Personally I think it would be really helpful if individual posts could be categorized and/or sorted within a thread. That way all posts relating to a specific rom/development topic could remain in the same thread, but you could then filter out the garbage, sort through the questions, and find posts that are truly relevant to the topic or project or whatever. It would still depend on the users to label posts properly, but I think we're all in agreement that there is no perfect solution to the issue.
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Personally I think it would be really helpful if individual posts could be categorized and/or sorted within a thread. That way all posts relating to a specific rom/development topic could remain in the same thread, but you could then filter out the garbage, sort through the questions, and find posts that are truly relevant to the topic or project or whatever. It would still depend on the users to label posts properly, but I think we're all in agreement that there is no perfect solution to the issue.
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I'm not a Dev myself but I do feel two threads isn't an ideal solution... Most ignorant people who can't find an answer in five second's or just don't feel like even trying to search will always head to the source of their ROM issues. Now if the method 10tonhammer described seems like an okay idea as long as any average person takes the task upon themselves to tag their post properly. Either way I'm not exactly the prime example of good manners on XDA (Feel's Guilty)
I am learning at least <3
Lastly Thank you to all Dev's and Mod's who make this the most pleasant interaction between Developer and User possible.
Hey,
So I have been a regular visitor to this site for about 2 years now ever since I first rooted my HTC desire.
I have downloaded and tested many custom ROM's for the desire and the SGS2.
My recent favorite ROM is resurrection remix which i have been using various builds of since xmas. And only now do I have a question that no one has asked and I cant find an answer to.
Of course since I have never needed to post before when I tried to ask my question it wont let me because i have not made 10 useful comments. The only place I find useful comments is on the development forums. There is nothing specifically that I need from the other ares of the site and so I cannot offer any feedback that would be helpful to others there... the only place I can make useful comments is on the development forums, which is exactly where Im not allowed to make them.
So how does one get around that?
Luke
Probably not, but you can try contacting a moderator, the rule is there to avoid people joining and spamming the dev section with crap, if that isnt your plan they may be able to help you out.
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Ok thanks!
I will do that
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Hey,
So I have been a regular visitor to this site for about 2 years now ever since I first rooted my HTC desire.
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So how does one get around that?
Luke
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Exactly the same situation for me (even down to the 2 years and HTC Desire ).
Do what I did and make yourself useful by answering others questions. You'll be surprised how much you actually know
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Exactly the same situation for me (even down to the 2 years and HTC Desire ).
Do what I did and make yourself useful by answering others questions. You'll be surprised how much you actually know
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I'm in the same boat bud. Hopefully we will get one day to ask questions in the normal thread. Can't wait.
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Personally and apart from the spam issue the ten post thread in dev section is far to low a number one only has to read the inane posts from users with more than ten posts in many dev threads .
But how do you overcome the problem of a large amount of idiots posting who cannot be bothered to read the rules read the faqs or instructions and repetitively ask the same questions .it reflects badly on those who like the OP have taken time to read and learn as they are treated the same .
jje
That rule also stopped me in my tracks. But I can see the point on the development forums.
After the "no you can't" it encouraged me to look harder for answers and ask the (dum) questions on the general forum.
I realize the point is to avoid opening new threads for questions that might be better served in the appropriate development thread, but if you've searched and haven't found your answer I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem to post one in Q&A or General, but make sure you exhausted all search options before you do.
Same for me...To be honest I wanted to answer questions and help members, not to ask myself but... I see the point of the rule, there are too many people that will ask (dum) Q without even bothering to use the search tool and filling the threads with crap when there is no need to...
Solution:
make thread about it.
Answer all who replys
Profit
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Also have same problem, I just posted a question here that I feel would be better suited to go in the Dev thread of the ROM I use.
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Unfortunately, there will be some people (a minority) affected by this rule who probably shouldn't be (those who wouldn't post crap to dev threads from the get go), but at the end of the day it goes some way to reducing the mountains of crap which get posted to dev threads every day (at least 75% of posts in my experience. I'm probably being generous).
Again unfortunately (for the people who would do the right thing if this rule wasn't in place), no system is perfect in this regard. Frankly, I'd rather have the current system in place as opposed to making things open slather. Changing the current rule would make an already bad situation even worse IMHO.
Edit to add - As was suggested on the first page of this thread, you can always plead your case to a mod if you think the rule shouldn't apply to you for whatever reason.
Further edit - Poster above me. Your recent post in Q&A is a prime example of the type of post which should not be cluttering a dev thread. It is a general question, and not specific to a particular rom.
MistahBungle said:
Unfortunately, there will be some people (a minority) affected by this rule who probably shouldn't be (those who wouldn't post crap to dev threads from the get go), but at the end of the day it goes some way to reducing the mountains of crap which get posted to dev threads every day (at least 75% of posts in my experience. I'm probably being generous).
Again unfortunately (for the people who would do the right thing if this rule wasn't in place), no system is perfect in this regard. Frankly, I'd rather have the current system in place as opposed to making things open slather. Changing the current rule would make an already bad situation even worse IMHO.
Edit to add - As was suggested on the first page of this thread, you can always plead your case to a mod if you think the rule shouldn't apply to you for whatever reason.
Further edit - Poster above me. Your recent post in Q&A is a prime example of the type of post which should not be cluttering a dev thread. It is a general question, and not specific to a particular rom.
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A great example of the mountains of crap that spew out of many of the users (if you look in there I'm sure I'm guilty too) in this forum, check out the CM9 discussion thread, imagine if that was in the dev thread, how would codeworkx and the others ever find anything that might be relevant?
Find 10 noobs to help in Q&A section, help said noobs, done.
It's not just about taking.
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Find 10 noobs to help in Q&A section, help said noobs, done.
It's not just about taking.
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This is true too, when I started I felt handcuffed by the 10 post limit, but I spent a little time reading posts and using the knowledge I gained to help out others and my post (and thanks) count quickly increased well beyond the limit. Helping others also gave me more understanding to be able to troubleshoot my own problems.
Yep that's exactly right Thracemerin, a perfect example.
I dread getting home from work & having to scroll thru 18 hrs worth/sometimes up to 40 pages of posts in the CM9 discussion thread & 90% of them are utter crap.
You're right, if it were in the dev thread, I think Codeworkx, Xplodwild et al would have given up ages ago.
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A great example of the mountains of crap that spew out of many of the users in this forum, check out the CM9 discussion thread, imagine if that was in the dev thread, how would codeworkx and the others ever find anything that might be relevant?
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Apologies I stand corrected, I thought it would be ROM related as the only info I could find through search was about adding poweron.ogg to system/etc and making sure permissions are set correctly and this is not working for me.
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Fair points
I can see the point to it cutting down a number of people who would make useless comments, although the development forums are still littered with idiots who type before they think or even look around for a solution.
OK I'm off to trawl the forums to see who I can help!
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Fair points
I can see the point to it cutting down a number of people who would make useless comments, although the development forums are still littered with idiots who type before they think or even look around for a solution.
OK I'm off to trawl the forums to see who I can help!
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Very simple 99% of posts just need a reply read the f4444 instructions first .
jje
In the stickies on this forum is help for rebooting prooblems and so you think you've bricked your phone. Yet there constantly appears postings about phone rebooting and Please Help I've Bricked My Phone, and by far most of these it is the poster's first posting.
Maybe the rule should be that you cannot start a new thread, in any forum, until you have 10 posts. Every forum has a FAQ thread that they can post on if they have searched on here and can't find anything.
Hey all, new to the forums. I was glancing around the general/Faq sub forums for info about what/where different releases are posted (whether in the "Original Android Dev" sub forum or just the "Android Dev" sub forum).
What is the difference? I see ROM's/Recoveries/Kernels posted in each and they all appear to be similar in design.
Could someone tell me how retarded I am for not knowing this and then kindly tell me? Lol, appreciate the help. Just trying to make sense of the two sections differences.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
Since I am below the required post count to "thank you", doing it with this post. Sorry to be misinformed about the forum features. The article made it very clear. Thank you!
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Since I am below the required post count to "thank you", doing it with this post. Sorry to be misinformed about the forum features. The article made it very clear. Thank you!
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If you find them too "similar" sell your s3 and move on to a different device otherwise quit your whining....
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If you find them too "similar" sell your s3 and move on to a different device otherwise quit your whining....
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Sorry to miss anywhere I'm "whining". You must have me confused with your girlfriend. Get some counseling or move on brother.
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Sorry to miss anywhere I'm "whining". You must have me confused with your girlfriend. Get some counseling or move on brother.
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I'm sorry, I'm not the one *****ing about roms and kernels being too similar....be grateful for what you've got
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Dude seriously? That was conceived as *****ing? You need some help man. That was a request for clarification. I wasn't complaining or *****ing.
Go take some PMS pills. It'll help you from making rage comments that make no sense.
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I'm sorry, I'm not the one *****ing about roms and kernels being too similar....be grateful for what you've got, and I'm not your brother!
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Why are you whining he asked a simple question help or do not say anything, You are wasting your time and the person who asked. Why bother just because you have a higher post count doesn't mean you should bully people. This question has not been asked before not in the S3 Threads anyway. Just answer the question and move on and stop acting like a 10 year old.
Anyway back to the topic in hand. Original is what it says in the box it is an original not a copy. So if you were to build your own rom for example from the android source and compile it and add your own made mods like Cyanogen mod do then that is regarded as an original ROM and Development. Or like chainfire he makes apps and recoveries that he made and no one else, like for example Tringle Away or CF root. These are his original mods and recoveries they are original and his own creation. Those are ''ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT''..
Android Development is taking an already made Rom that Samsung has already made like XXDLJ4 it is already made by the company. Developers from the XDA community then take this rom and tare it apart and make it smaller or add their own mods to an already built rom. This is regarded as android development.
I might be wrong but at least that is what i believe what it is. If someone else can explain it better please do.
Thanks Meemo, that's kind of the jest I got from the link above as well. I appreciate the clarification. Sorry a request for clarification and even being humble about it is considered "*****ing" by some people.
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Thanks Meemo, that's kind of the jest I got from the link above as well. I appreciate the clarification. Sorry a request for clarification and even being humble about it is considered "*****ing" by some people.
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Not a problem my friend just be warned that this forum used to be friendly before but now all people do whine about everything. I mean i can understand that people constantly ask the same question and what not. But it doesn't mean you should whine and raise your post count. If it is getting to you just ignore it.
Anyway i found this in the link he provided,
The following are most likely “Original Development”:
Official releases of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them
Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
A significant “first” in development for a device. Significant is subjective, but it is likely something which took considerable time/effort, and is generally accepted by developers to be significant and non-trivial.
Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available. Some element of original work is expected.
Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to users of the target device. The port should be beneficial (a port from two virtually identical devices isn’t original development, it’s winzipping, and nobody really benefits from this, as it’s not development)
The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already.
Minor derivatives of other ROMs with little or no changes, or ROMs consisting of “placebo” features as a main constituent or claim.
Renames or rebadges of others’ work – these don’t belong on XDA at all! Refer to rule 12 for more information.
Reposts of existing ROMs with small changes (i.e. kitchen work, such as adding a couple of apps). If you could realistically distribute your changes as an “addon pack” above and beyond a ROM, you should do so. In addition, your “ROM” would not be original development as it would be substantially identical to the original ROM.
A thread created with unrealistic goals that are clearly unachievable by those starting the thread. This is not intended to discourage high aspirations, rather to prevent threads porting Windows Phone 8 to the HTC Wallaby. This is pretty much common sense.
A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)
No, I understand. That's still no reason for a member who's been here for a year+ to call someone looking for information in an honest way *****ing.
(I welcome any mod to reset my post count to 0, as I am not here to raise that, it is simply one of the two forums I'm permitted to post in). I'm not *****ing. I'm also not whining.
I also didn't start (edited: crap) with anyone here and don't plan too, but I would also appreciate those attacking me to at least make sense.
Thanks again for the info. Duly noted, and in the future I will make greater efforts to discover information on my own instead of putting myself in a position that could be labeled as *****ing, although I'm clearly not.
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I'm sorry, I'm not the one *****ing about roms and kernels being too similar....be grateful for what you've got, and I'm not your brother!
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Take your chill pill seriously, read the topic again and understand it then go insult somebody else not in this forum.
Being aggressive to 'noobs' is against the rules.. you know that right?
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No, I understand. That's still no reason for a member who's been here for a year+ to call someone looking for information in an honest way *****ing.
(I welcome any mod to reset my post count to 0, as I am not here to raise that, it is simply one of the two forums I'm permitted to post in). I'm not *****ing. I'm also not whining.
I also didn't start sh*t with anyone here and don't plan too, but I would also appreciate those attacking me to at least make sense.
Thanks again for the info. Duly noted, and in the future I will make greater efforts to discover information on my own instead of putting myself in a position that could be labeled as *****ing, although I'm clearly not.
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Don't worry lol i wasn't directing that one on you mate was for the other guy you're good..
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Take your chill pill seriously, read the topic again and understand it then go insult somebody else not in this forum.
Being aggressive to 'noobs' is against the rules.. you know that right?
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Failing to bother to read the rules is against the rules .
Right at the beginning of the first post the rules .
For more information on the Original Android Development section check out this portal post
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1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
So absolutely no excuse for someone noob or not to navigate past the rules past the stickied FAQS and GUIDES and past the search button to post a repetitive question .
jje
Sigh. Thinking this forum isn't for me. Lot of ppl too butthurt over those asking questions THAT FORUMS LIKE THESE ARE ESTABLISHED FOR. Christ ppl.
I did search. That's all the "rules" state. It doesn't say how many times, or how long I should do it, but that I should. So I did. Rule not broken.
Also, I didn't circumvent ANY sticky to this sub forum or neglect to read the guides posted HERE.
Once again, I'd appreciate it if those that, even passively suggest, that I violated rules, *****ed, or whined would at least make sense.
Both of you viloated the rules. You didnt look very hard even if you searched. He didnt read and got snappy with you. You started using language which isnt allowed.
JJEgan isnt butt hurt. Dont even say i am when you read this either cuz i am not.
These forums arent to help noobs or their laziness to find what has been placed right in front of them. I wonder why it is called XDA-Developers???
**Cough**Cough**
I'ts a developer forum not a support forum. While we do help people that need it and actually try and hold them selfs up, we only do it for the ones that try first. Not the ones that want everything handed to them.
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Failing to bother to read the rules is against the rules .
Right at the beginning of the first post the rules .
For more information on the Original Android Development section check out this portal post
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1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
So absolutely no excuse for someone noob or not to navigate past the rules past the stickied FAQS and GUIDES and past the search button to post a repetitive question .
jje
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Thanks JJE
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Both of you viloated the rules. You didnt look very hard even if you searched. He didnt read and got snappy with you. You started using language which isnt allowed.
JJEgan isnt butt hurt. Dont even say i am when you read this either cuz i am not.
These forums arent to help noobs or their laziness to find what has been placed right in front of them. I wonder why it is called XDA-Developers???
**Cough**Cough**
I'ts a developer forum not a support forum. While we do help people that need it and actually try and hold them selfs up, we only do it for the ones that try first. Not the ones that want everything handed to them.
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Developers huh? What have you developed? Probably 90% of the members of this forum have never looked at a line of code. Give me a break.
Laziness is a very subjective term. I take it that you've searched for hours on end on every subject you seek knowledge on before creating a thread? No. You haven't. No one does. Or has the time too. If you can find the answer to my initial post in a sticky to this sub forum, you let me know. I'll stand corrected.
I don't want anything "handed" to me. I've been a productive member of society for more than 30 years and I didn't get there by people "handing" me anything. I asked for information in a forum. If no one wants to answer because it's physically challenging, or don't have the time, or feel like they are "handing" me something, then they don't have to answer. Get it? It's a free country. Someone else can answer, or not answer. I'm not hurting anyone or anything typing on a keyboard in a forum.
So stop acting like I rewrote The Constitution. I never violated a "search" rule.
Eek it's a flame war, run away run away!
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Developers huh? What have you developed? Probably 90% of the members of this forum have never looked at a line of code. Give me a break.
Laziness is a very subjective term. I take it that you've searched for hours on end on every subject you seek knowledge on before creating a thread? No. You haven't. No one does. Or has the time too. If you can find the answer to my initial post in a sticky to this sub forum, you let me know. I'll stand corrected.
I don't want anything "handed" to me. I've been a productive member of society for more than 30 years and I didn't get there by people "handing" me anything. I asked for information in a forum. If no one wants to answer because it's physically challenging, or don't have the time, or feel like they are "handing" me something, then they don't have to answer. Get it? It's a free country. Someone else can answer, or not answer. I'm not hurting anyone or anything typing on a keyboard in a forum.
So stop acting like I rewrote The Constitution. I never violated a "search" rule.
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Well just use some common sense to realise the difference between android development and android original development. We're not here to babysit you. And if you looked closely, the difference is....AOSP for android original development and Sammy based roms for android development....
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First, this is not a post to bash the mods, keep that BS elseware as I would like this to be actually read and taken seriously.
Second, to the mods, I understand this could have been sent as a PM but I am not willing to speak for everyone else so I am hoping this gives us an open mature forum to discuss this.
On to my point.
I just read a thread that was closed as "useless banter" because people should "read the threads" about roms before they install them. While I agree with the sentiment I can tell you I nearly always read these threads as they are sources of information that only someone who has read the whole thread, and or run a certain rom may know. This is how I narrow my search for a rom that is good for me. Once I have a feel for what is out there, then I pick a few roms, read about them, and finally try them.
When I first bought my galaxy S3 the first thing I did was to search for "best rom" threads, and from there narrowed down what I wanted. I quickly learned which roms were AoSP and which were stock etc. From there I was able to narrow it down to a couple roms, I wanted stock so I lost no functionality and stability. Over and over "cleanrom" was very clearly what I wanted, so I read about it in the original thread, and checked a couple roms, eventually I did in fact go with cleanrom.
When I bought my note 2 I did the exact same thing, even though Cleanrom was already established I found Beans was pretty similar and read about it.
Later I installed Beans and it just was not for me, so to this day I am still on cleanrom, however I have been "shopping" for a new rom for a while (Scott is no longer developing for the Note 2 after all) and to my dismay I find these threads being closed.
My point is this, there is no way I was going to read more than a couple rom threads with over 3 thousand bloody replies. I have owned the Note 2 long enough that now and then I get around to reading about some of the other roms, but I still have only scratched the serface. As I quoted before the "best rom" threads have been noted as "useless" however one of the first things I look for in a rom is one that is actually based on Verizon's firmware. I do this because not one international rom is fully functional. This is not a dig on them, it is just fact. No one has gotten MMS or signal extenders to work right. You can go through any thread and this question is asked on so many roms so many times it is ridiculous. Personally I much prefer to come to a "best rom" thread and find out what kind of roms are based on stock VZW than have to search through 10 roms looking for the answer... this does not even take into account that half the time I come to XDA lately the search box is missing (does that happen to anyone else?)
Again, I would really like this to be a flame free thread, if you agree with me, well state your reasons nicely, if you don't, please do the same. And on a side note, If the mods feel this thread is inappropriate they will let me know and or close the thread they really don't need your help telling me so
Well Said. While agreeing to show full respect for the Mods and their way of doing things, I could not agree more with you. I find "best rom" threads to be incredibly helpful and have never tried a rom that I didn't get pointed to from one.
They don't have them because it's not a ROM competition nor a site for users. It's for developers. If you've been around the Android game, you have to know how minor group MMS and network extender bugs are, almost not worth mentioning compared to even trying to run CyanogenMod on some phones (including ours!). If you want to be a user on this site, you're expected to do the research. The ROM's built on our SCH-I605VRAMC3 base make it clear they're built on it. Even if the base isn't clear, this stuff is all open-source! Dive into the github and figure it out. If that isn't something you feel you should be expected to do, don't use a development site.
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They don't have them because it's not a ROM competition nor a site for users. It's for developers. If you've been around the Android game, you have to know how minor group MMS and network extender bugs are, almost not worth mentioning compared to even trying to run CyanogenMod on some phones (including ours!). If you want to be a user on this site, you're expected to do the research. The ROM's built on our SCH-I605VRAMC3 base make it clear they're built on it. Even if the base isn't clear, this stuff is all open-source! Dive into the github and figure it out. If that isn't something you feel you should be expected to do, don't use a development site.[/QUOT
While you make a couple good points, I think to box this site (XDA) in as only a "developers" web sight is stupid. There is so much more in these forums. I've been part of XDA since 2009, and I see you've been a member for a few months now. While I am sure you have contributed a truck load in your time and I have just really been on the outside looking in, I have been reading these forums far longer then you have and the majority of posts in these forums are people like me looking for help from people like you. And I will continue to say, that while I respect the decision to ban these types of posts, I think it's a mistake, when you can simply say "what kind of rom are you guys using" and all of sudden it's ok. IT's the same thing. I guess we'll just agree to disagree in the usefullness of these types of posts.
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You can tell by my low post count im a search button junkie. I too enjoy some of those best rom threads.
The biggest problem I guess I had with that threads closing was the reason.
Yes this is a Dev website, but thats a General discussion section. And thats about as general a topic as you can get. I guess if its worded like "I really like ROMxxxx" and a discussion starts comparing or recommendations for other roms is okay. But blatantly asking what rom is your fav isnt acceptable?
Also.. if those thread's are killed, ill be reading about how great v1 of beans is and nothing about v21.
Love the site.. mods will run it how they see fit.. just wanted to chime in, back to lurking.
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joshm.1219 said:
They don't have them because it's not a ROM competition nor a site for users. It's for developers. If you've been around the Android game, you have to know how minor group MMS and network extender bugs are, almost not worth mentioning compared to even trying to run CyanogenMod on some phones (including ours!). If you want to be a user on this site, you're expected to do the research. The ROM's built on our SCH-I605VRAMC3 base make it clear they're built on it. Even if the base isn't clear, this stuff is all open-source! Dive into the github and figure it out. If that isn't something you feel you should be expected to do, don't use a development site.[/QUOT
While you make a couple good points, I think to box this site (XDA) in as only a "developers" web sight is stupid. There is so much more in these forums. I've been part of XDA since 2009, and I see you've been a member for a few months now. While I am sure you have contributed a truck load in your time and I have just really been on the outside looking in, I have been reading these forums far longer then you have and the majority of posts in these forums are people like me looking for help from people like you. And I will continue to say, that while I respect the decision to ban these types of posts, I think it's a mistake, when you can simply say "what kind of rom are you guys using" and all of sudden it's ok. IT's the same thing. I guess we'll just agree to disagree in the usefullness of these types of posts.
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I've been doing this since the OG Droid, I didn't feel I knew enough to have input until a few months ago. I could really care less if there is best ROM threads or not, but I'm not going to complain about it because they are absolutely not needed. They only serve to reveal subjective opinions and limit new users from using ROM's that might not be as popular or are from newer developers. For example, MIUI-TW is a great great ROM but requires APN edits and more set-up to work compared to something easy like Beans, so it will never be as popular. Now for a new user to come in and never even bother to look at it because of this limits the appreciation that that developer deserves for even getting MIUI ported to our model. It also limits the learning on the side of the new user because they won't try that ROM assuming it sucks rather than it's simply not as easy to set-up as an aroma rom is. All I'm saying is that it's called XDA developers for a reason, it's a great source of information for everyone, but don't expect it to be catered to anyone outside of the development community or complain when it isn't. I'm more than happy it's public, the devs make their work public & free, and then most of the time go out of their way to help the rest of us. I don't need to ask for anything else.
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joshm.1219 said:
vballrkc said:
I've been doing this since the OG Droid, I didn't feel I knew enough to have input until a few months ago. I could really care less if there is best ROM threads or not, but I'm not going to complain about it because they are absolutely not needed. They only serve to reveal subjective opinions and limit new users from using ROM's that might not be as popular or are from newer developers. For example, MIUI-TW is a great great ROM but requires APN edits and more set-up to work compared to something easy like Beans, so it will never be as popular. Now for a new user to come in and never even bother to look at it because of this limits the appreciation that that developer deserves for even getting MIUI ported to our model. It also limits the learning on the side of the new user because they won't try that ROM assuming it sucks rather than it's simply not as easy to set-up as an aroma rom is. All I'm saying is that it's called XDA developers for a reason, it's a great source of information for everyone, but don't expect it to be catered to anyone outside of the development community or complain when it isn't. I'm more than happy it's public, the devs make their work public & free, and then most of the time go out of their way to help the rest of us. I don't need to ask for anything else.
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Your reason is also a good reason to have such threads. A new person not very experienced probably wouldnt want to start with an advanced rom install. However reading about it in a new thread might also help that person decide to try it because someone posted how easy or worthwhile it was to go through the editing or additional steps to install.
And by posting questions of this nature here, in the general section allows us.. the users of those roms, these forums, to answer those questions for devs, and moderators.
Cheers
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boomerbsg said:
Your reason is also a good reason to have such threads. A new person not very experienced probably wouldnt want to start with an advanced rom install. However reading about it in a new thread might also help that person decide to try it because someone posted how easy or worthwhile it was to go through the editing or additional steps to install.
And by posting questions of this nature here, in the general section allows us.. the users of those roms, these forums, to answer those questions for devs, and moderators.
Cheers
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That's what the threads are for lol. I mean you just listed exactly what they are. There's an OP with installation instructions. then a bunch of users praising or criticizing the ROM along with answering questions for the devs.
How would jumbling up all of that into one thread be better than separating it into a thread for each ROM?
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joshm.1219 said:
That's what the threads are for lol. I mean you just listed exactly what they are. There's an OP with installation instructions. then a bunch of users praising or criticizing the ROM along with answering questions for the devs.
How would jumbling up all of that into one thread be better than separating it into a thread for each ROM?
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check this thread out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2382148
Its someone talking about how much they like the stock rom, but want features from other roms on the stock rom. in the first page theres 2 rom makers pimping their roms.. and for good reason, their good roms. And do what the OP wants.
Then I actually learned something I didnt know about Beans and Xposed from that brief thread (that is nearly identical to what goes on in "Best rom" threads.
I didnt know about the Xposed framework, and that there are modules for it, theres no link nor real info on Beans main forum post here and Beans thread is 1900 pages deep.
So I got some good info from a small thread that by the very standard that killed off Best Rom threads, I probably would have gone much longer without knowing had it too been closed.
I get the need to maintain the standard on a forum, but thats the heart of any forum.. discussion, and much like life it gets repetitive in nature but its out of those that people new and old can learn things they didn't before. Someone may not be as experienced in Google-fu like us.
cheers
boomerbsg said:
check this thread out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2382148
Its someone talking about how much they like the stock rom, but want features from other roms on the stock rom. in the first page theres 2 rom makers pimping their roms.. and for good reason, their good roms. And do what the OP wants.
Then I actually learned something I didnt know about Beans and Xposed from that brief thread (that is nearly identical to what goes on in "Best rom" threads.
I didnt know about the Xposed framework, and that there are modules for it, theres no link nor real info on Beans main forum post here and Beans thread is 1900 pages deep.
So I got some good info from a small thread that by the very standard that killed off Best Rom threads, I probably would have gone much longer without knowing had it too been closed.
I get the need to maintain the standard on a forum, but thats the heart of any forum.. discussion, and much like life it gets repetitive in nature but its out of those that people new and old can learn things they didn't before. Someone may not be as experienced in Google-fu like us.
cheers
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Xposed is talked about all the time in beans thread. it's a long thread but it just repeats itself over and over. Search is your friend. idk how you expect a best ROM thread to be able to give you more detailed definition about a single ROM. you're assuming that because you happened to catch something basic (Xposed has been on the front page of this site for months and is one of the biggest things to happen in the rooting community this year) in a small thread rather than a big one that it would be easier for you to gather information from a best ROM thread that instead of containing info for one ROM, contains info for all of them and would be a hell of a lot longer than beans ROM thread.
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