Hey everyone,
I'm very interested in enrolling in Full Sail's Mobile Development degree program, which is completely online. The cost alone is enough to make me cringe a bit (around $65,000) and I am curious if anyone has any *helpful* insight on the program to help me decide if this is the right direction to go.
Thanks!
I think you're better off hitting up a community college, learn basic programming for cheap, and download the free tools for mobile development (most platforms offer free SDK's) and practice on your own. Seriously, you could go to a prestigious school like UCLA (I will be, starting next year) for HALF that.
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Seriously, you could go to a prestigious school like UCLA (I will be, starting next year) for HALF that.
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Good luck with that. Though as I said before, I'm aware that it is expensive.
Any past or present students that actually attended Full Sail care to share their opinions or experiences?
I too am interested and currently looking at this school for this program. And that is high as hell! Does anyone know of any online programs or schools near Pittsburgh, Pa thats credible but in a more affordable range?
any grads here from Full Sail's Mobile Development degree program? how is you developing skills & have you landed a good job?
I know 2 graduates from Full Sail - different areas of interest, one for audio engineering and one for graphic design. Neither of them work in the profession they went to school for. Full Sail is notorious for over-burdening their students with costs.
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Full Sail is a for profit university. You really, really want to stay away from these. They're far more costly than a non-profit, and tend to not have the best reputation. I also doubt you'd get any more out of it than just going through a regular IT program that allows you to to put some focus in mobile development & java. Do some research on not for profit online degrees if you want to stay online.
^ thanks for your inputs guys!
can you recommend any online school/ org about "Mobile Development Course" ?
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HI,
realise the pocket pc software are quite expensive... Anyone want to share their license copy, games, utility etc. I guess all can benefit right?... Rather we all purchase on our own.
Or may be we can all chip in to buy.... We can use services like Paypal to remittance money to each other.
Me interested in the Age of Empires Gold Edition. Anyone got a full license one. Nyditot Virtual Display 3.01 ?...
Warezzzz
I'm just speaking for myself here...
I have no major moral objections against copying copyrighted software, but I can also see the point of software companies trying to make a buck. I even co-own a small software company that will be trying to make a buck soon. But please believe me when I say that this is not the reason I'm posting this message.
I would hate to see warez being traded on this system. I've seen what frequent warez trading does to the atmosphere of communities like ours. Before long, professional traders will post requests. People will offer to pay for stuff, warez ftp server addresses 'for-the-day' will be posted, etc. etc. etc.
There's plenty of good forums on Usenet that have plenty of (alt.binaries.)warez posted to them. They have much less good productive atmosphere to waste and they work well.
Omigosh...
Well I don't think warezing software is something terribly wrong (it's not a theft usually), but if somebody likes the software, he should buy it. However, nobody can expect a 18 year old czech student to spend 80 bucks for SSH client he uses once a week.
I think those who use software to make money (companies, managers etc...) should buy the software. Those who just "play" with software and install and deinstall applications 5 times a day can get a warez copy. But if I find a great piece of soft I want to keep (forever), I buy it.
(I don't buy software, I'm a poor student and the software fee doesn't repay itself).
And another thing... I would never trade software here - in public, in a tech forum with guest access...
If you can afford an XDA and the phone contracts that go with it, you can afford the software - most programs are only 10-15 USD. A few like AoE are more, and I can tell you worth the extra money.
Regards
Tim
Basically, i find it rather amusing the comments given. Anyway, my intention is not to spread the so called 'piracy'. The intention was to share files with your so called neighhours. If you think my sharing for example DVD - THe spider man to let the neighhour watch or use, then the whole world must be pracitising that, even your neighhouhood video store is spread 'piracy'. I mean people can always rent it and duplicate at their home right?......
Furthmore, forum is more less like a obtaining information, sharing etc. That's why I use the words like sharing. Wanna to charge those sharing information. If you think this kind actions is bad, I think this forum shall stop hacking the XDA stuff..
I got my new 02 XDA 64MB at US$500 only.... Spend so much $$$ on electronic stuff for what?........ Earniing money is not an easy task. and for you info only a few program is US$10/= Most are more that U$20/=. IF you get 10 how much will it be, and the money is only for 1 version. don;t forget the accessories thats comes with it. If you think u have extra $$$ to spend on this software. Share with it someone who is not as rich as u.
there is loads of free stuff out there if you want it a forum like this is brillant for info but there is a wide range of others out there
My two cents in what seems to become a long thread.
First to answer mac's orignal question. I can't help you (currently :lol: )
In response to XDA developer Peter Poelman's response I want to submit that in order to keep this forum alive we certainly don't need the professional traders.
As for software licensing. I have been/am on both sides. User and author. It's annoying if people just copy whatever they like, especially if they make a lot of money with it.
My justification so far has been. I use 'evaluation copies' for 2 or 3 weeks or so and if it is still in use I buy the software. Is it legal? Probably not? Is this wrong? Probably yes, but I can sleep at night.
We all invent 'our rules' for the world. If you want to be safe, stick with the rules. If not just be prepared to have your [email protected]# kicked every now and then.
Although I sympathise with the argument of being a student, etc etc, that doesn't justify it (nor do my own 'rules' do that). What would you charge someone with 5 children and being a single parent?
And most of the times there are alternatives. For instance in the windows space there is a lot of free software around and some of them are real jewels. If you are curious: www.nonags.com.
Industry responds with free software containing banners and adds, we all hate them, install cracks/patches to get rid of them. Wake up guys. They give it away for free and still we whine. (yes, I hate adds and banners to and I kill them whenever possible). I think we shouldn't whine about initiatives like Palladium if we copying everything we can get our hands on.
Overall my advise is: don't use THIS forum for conducting that behaviour and for the rest live and let live. In my opinion its a forum for undertanding the XDA and its technology. I don't even have one yet ( :evil: ) but I have learned a lot already. One could argue about some of the things tht could be done with the XDA (un-simlocking of accidently locked phones) but it's mainly discussing the device, software and accessoiries.
Being nosy is not a crime.
Having knowledge is not a crime.
But using knowledge could be a crime.
And even the first 2 can be a crime depending on where you live.
Pfffffffffft, I must be PMS'ing. Sorry people :wink:
Robert
I think games should be paid for....
but as far as tools etc goes I think it would be fair to follow the GPL...
You pay for what you make money with.
I'm a frequent visitor to alt.binaries....pocketpc and I've probaly downloaded 700mb or so in pocketpc warez since I bought my XDA...
I have an easynews account which archives newsgroup posts from the last 30 days.
That software I downloaded because I thought it looked interesting; not because it was there. Out of those god knows how many programs I have 12 programs that I keep on my xda at all times... these I have registered:
Battery Pack 2003 <<< really good
Resco Explorer 2003
Lextionary <<< prolly the best dictionary tool
Snails
Marble Worlds
Diamond Mine <<< addictive as hell
Speedball 2 << we love the Amiga !!
Pocket C64 <speaks for itself>
Dockware
Small menu <<< damn good btw
Rhinostats
Truefax
The others I played with for a while and then dumped because they were errr CRAP ? or there were other better alternatives (atleast in the power monitoring area)
Diamond mine I downloaded months ago... and only registered yesterday.
I dont believe in buying stuff I dont need.. and downloading them gives me more time to decide whither I'm going to keep it... or fire it onto a DVDRW and forget about it after a month.
I also have a wares copy of Autocad Studio Max 5 on my computer... $5k to buy in the shops...
most people dont learn this program at Uni (atleast the good ones anyways). Most of them pick up a copy when they are in their early teens and continue to learn with it till they master the techniques. After doing so they go to Uni and get the bit of paper... later on they get a job with a company which has bought a license to the application.
Autocad arent missing out on my license... I'd have never considering paying the $5,000 in the first place.
Some people say that 3D Animation is a craft. I've known people who have been 'learning' it for the past 7 years. Where would Autocad get its budding new business licenses if the 3D warez market dried up and only the large software houses could afford them?
Games are different, you cant make money from them.
I bought StarScape the other day for the PC.
http://www.moonpod.com/English/about_ss.php
download the demo and give it a go
I normaly run games in 1600x1200 or above... but the fact this runs in 640x480 makes no difference.
You might also want to check this site out for some more quality game play... and best of all they are free 8)
http://www.tierraentertainment.com/ (reworked kings Quest I&II)
http://www.back2roots.org/ (shtuff from eons ago)
games from the era of when gaming had gameplay, hand drawn graphics and not just a billion polygons fired at it.
Strange comment from a 3D artist.
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hi mac
try bear share there is loads of software on there i dont think we should trade games on here i used to use another site for my nokia communicator and it started to trade software and now it gives very little free and has turned into a business venture about selling software and not the product which it was originally meant to help promote amongst fellow users
Well, we'll be relasing a game soon aswell and i would like to think that if people download the demo and they are happy with it, that they would then go on to buy the full version. Its not like the average pocket pc game costs a fortune.
The way I look at it is if people dont buy software, people will stop writing it, I have purchased many games/apps, and am glad i supported the writers of such software. As a result newer and better versions are released, i prime example is Battery Bar along with Journal Bar, fantastic bit of software.
http://online.fullsail.edu/
http://online.fullsail.edu/degrees/mobile-development-bachelors - direct link
Online Full Sail Mobile Development Bachelors
WOW!
I might be happy doing this for myself, what are the pays, anyone know yet? I don't mean greediness, but I'm also loving it.
Interesting. I teach at fullsail and was unware of such a program. If anyone is interested in it let me know and If there are any questions about the program that you can't have answered let me know, and I will see if I can find anything.
--Shadd
Edit: Yea that came off as a sales pitch and thats not the case. If I can be of any help I would be more then happy to, but I will also give you my personal opinion
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Interesting. I teach at fullsail and was unware of such a program. If anyone is interested in it let me know and If there are any questions about the program that you can't have answered let me know, and I will see if I can find anything.
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Very nice. I will probably take the online courses for Mobile Development next year.
As an alumni of EBBS I'm quite happy to see Full Sail to offer more courses focused for this market!
My buddy went to Full Sail for Show Production and Touring. i went down several times to visit him. the Full Sail staff is awesome. everybody was just cool and easy to get along with. good to see they're branching out into mobile development!
For any of those who end up deciding to enroll, here is something that might end up being useful...
[APP] Full Sail Online Mobile
@alekosy
did you enroll & grad? how is it?
i was thinking about going here for Audio Production/engineering..but thats too far from my home state
i think i'm going to enroll for the online mobile development...i spoke to an admins rep and shes helping me get going with fafsa and all that stuff...i've heard mixed reviews about the course..saying it's out of date and its too specific, but i've done research..i have an associates in graphic design and i think this bachelors will make a world of a difference
I am currently a student of the online Mobile Development program living in California trying to complete it. I can tell you it is pretty hard if you are working full time.
I am currently in my second year and I am struggling. I really enjoy being a Full Sail student, but you have to be prepared to have a TON of information thrown at you super fast. That is probably the biggest challenge. Imagine never once having worked with a language such as Javascript, and have it thrown at you in a single month while working full time and having a family. Its difficult.
Each course is only a month long, and the amount of stuff you have to absorb is overwhelming. But again, this is what we sign up for. I struggle a lot and I am under constant pressure, but there is a sense of accomplishment when you actually see your projects come to fruition.
Hello I appreciate the time you are taking to read my thread!
I have a background in real estate development and no programming experience. I already have a bachelors in Business (emphasis Finance). I am currently getting my MBA in an evening program at one of the top 20 schools in the world. I don't want to go back into real estate and want to get into the tech industry.
What I really want is to become a mobile applications developer (ios/andriod).
I can financially support my existence with a part-time job and the MBA really isn't that hard because I have an undergrad degree in business. These activities will take about 35 hours of my time a week, 45 hours during finals week.
So, I want to go back and get a degree so I can break into this field. So I am looking for recommendations.
Looking at the local state college it looks like the program is really outdated and I won't learn much practical knowledge. Having already done a bunch of college I don't really want to spend my time getting a degree to have another degree. I want to be at least relatively work force ready at graduation.
So it looks like my only option is to do an online degree.
I have identified a few options.
Full Sail, this was the only program I could find where you can specifically study Mobile development. I like that its completely project based because I will learn practical experience. Having a completed app by graduation will certainly help find a job I would think. It is however expensive and I have seen some complaints about the school online. However these complaints seemed to be mostly from people pursing a recording arts degree. IMO its crazy to pursue a degree where thousands of people graduate for only a few new openings a year. Could probably graduate in about 2 years.
Western Governors University. Has lots of good reviews online and is quite inexpensive ($6000 a year). Also you get 18 tech certifications as you go through the program. I am worried it will be less practical and it will certainly take more time. Also, its in "software" in general. So I would need to spend additional time after graduation getting more certifications and building an app to get hired most likely.
Baker College, I haven't heard much about it. It's also pretty inexpensive. Looks like it could take a while.
I have also seen Mobile development certifications from Champlain College and University of Washington Online
I would love to hear of what tech professionals think about these degrees/programs. Also, if you have heard of any other options please let me know!
Sorry I'm not a tech pro but I did enroll into Full Sail Mobile App program. I am starting on the 30th of this month. I did 3 months of extensive research including some of the schools you mentioned, and from what I have found is that Full Sail offers the best Mobile Program you can find. The applications they teach you to use is future proof. What I mean by that for example is once you learn Adobe CSS 5.5, it will be easy to transition into CSS 6, or 6.5 when it does come out. The only down side I see to it is that you are going to pay for it. The program is expensive $57,000 total for a B.A.S. From what I see is its worth it, if your serious about pursuing this career field, Full Sail is the way to go if you can afford it. Its either this or learn old soon to be outdated tools at other schools only to end up trying to catch up even after you graduate.
breaking in to the mobile dev industry
I have a similar interest in getting started in the mobile app development industry. i agree with the initial poster that going to a brick and mortar school to learn will soon be outdated once you graduate. It's hard for them to keep up with the changing nature of the industry.
I have zero experience in programming and mobile app development. As I learn about the field, I have more questions.
I haven't looked into the different programs available, but I would imagine there are some free resources to learn some basics without having to go through a degree. What does a degree even mean? I feel that being able to create something tangible is more valuable than a piece of paper. I'm sure there is a benefit to the degree as it gives you the necessary background information. W3schools offers free online training in a plethora of disciplines...html, css xml...and so on. I just need to find out which ones I need to focus on, and how to put it all together.
60K for a degree is a lot. Hope you are able to find a job afterward to pay off the loan, or if you're lucky to recoup the investment of the tuition.
hi Gurus of XDA
my son will be graduating from high-school & he was wondering what is the best course or action plan to becoming a full blown Android Software Developer?
Are there any online course that he can take & how many years do i have to spend for his tuition
many thanks.
Android is the Future
hmmmm i guess no one went to 'formal' Andy school here lol
I'm sure some people have. But for the most part I believe a lot of people on here have gone to the school of hard knocks. They've learned by doing things hands on. Lots of reading, and asking a ton of questions.
yeah I guess so, so much info on the Net.
I guess I'll ask him to take up Java First
Learning to code in Java/C would be your best bet
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hi Gurus of XDA
my son will be graduating from high-school & he was wondering what is the best course or action plan to becoming a full blown Android Software Developer?
Are there any online course that he can take & how many years do i have to spend for his tuition
many thanks.
Android is the Future
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Wondering the Same, Thanks for asking the question...
I too am interested to make that one "Lucky App" that would change the world hahahahaha
Got time will code if I really knew how
Well I did a bit of looking around. Actually found some interesting options to learning Android. The links are below. Hope these help .
http://training.oreilly.com/androidapps/
http://marakana.com/training/android/android_bootcamp.html
http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
http://www.ledet.com/courses/1451-G...pment course&gclid=CInb7aen468CFbMEQAodvTQxAA
http://www.netcomlearning.com/produ...tml?advid=65&gclid=COrL3pun468CFSQCQAodd3ZjDg
@prboy1969
thanks. i'll try too look into those
soooooo much to read so little time
Check out the video lessons at thenewboston.org he has java, android dev, c++ etc etc.
Hands down the absolute best tutorials on the internet. He explains things in a way that even a child could understand. Highly recommended, he taught me
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daml said:
Check out the video lessons at thenewboston.org he has java, android dev, c++ etc etc.
Hands down the absolute best tutorials on the internet. He explains things in a way that even a child could understand. Highly recommended, he taught me
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Thanks guys for the Suggestions...
No problem, always here to help. Actually thinking about attending one of these myself . Checking into it has me interesred in maybe getting some formal schooling.
TEAM MiK
MikROMs Since 3/13/11
Yeah, not a problem
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Also found the links below in the Portal
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/want-to-learn-how-to-program-for-android-start-here/
Rathi
developers.android.com is the best website to learn, there is no course for Android that can cover this variety of topics.
Still after doing hours of research, (only to learn quickly) I recommend wingnity.com/android. This is a paid online course with the following benefits over others.
1. Live classes via GotoWebinar tool
2. 24x7 support to answer technical queries
3. Certificate and a project for CV
4. Cheap - $79
Enjoy.
To become an android developer
Becoming an android developer is purely depends on your son. I know lot of developers who have been working as android developers without completing any course. The mindset of a programmer is completely different from all other professionals. But building a foundation in programming will help him to get stay stronger as a developer. There are a lot of online and on campus courses on android development. I would recommend some introductory courses on java programming rather than directly joining to an android development course. This will help him to get an idea about programming concepts. Then you can choose a course on android development. It will be helpful if you can buy a laptop or PC for him. According to me, I have completed three courses on mobile app development from Cestar college of business, health and technology in Ontario.
Hi i am interested in becoming a developer. I have been researching schools that have bachelor degrees in mobile operating systems. The most clear cut program i have found is through full sail university.. However they font have the best credentials. I had wondering what some of the developers and mods might think of full sail and any recommendations they might have for other programs
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Others can correct me if they disagree, but I think that the reason that you're not finding much in the way of "mobile operating systems" degree programs is that there just aren't that many schools that have a program that narrowly focused, especially in an area so (relatively) newly booming. I'm interested in a career in mobile developemtn and I'm nearing the end of a Computer Science bachelors program, and I feel like I've been very well served by it -- I think you're much more likely to find long-term success if you look more towards a general Computer Science degree at a reputable college or university rather than some flashy super-specific program at a for-profit school like Full Sail University. I'm not inclined to say that their program would hold up.
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Hi i am interested in becoming a developer. I have been researching schools that have bachelor degrees in mobile operating systems. The most clear cut program i have found is through full sail university.. However they font have the best credentials. I had wondering what some of the developers and mods might think of full sail and any recommendations they might have for other programs
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What you want is a BS in computer science because you need to learn the languages, not how to do one specific thing. The main idea behind it all is learning how to think like a programmer. I've seen mobile app dev classes at my university, but they normally require pre req computer science classes and they aren't part of a degree program.
- In reality though many programmers never go to school. Everything you need to know is on the internet. It will be a long road but well worth it, the hardest part is getting started, and sticking with it. I'd suggest starting here:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/want-to-learn-how-to-program-for-android-start-here/
I agree with the other two posters. Dont pursue a degree in mobile developing. Who knows, maybe within 5 years the next big thing might be here and render all this mobile stuff useless. However, all this programming and how to think like a programmer stuff will still be around, not to say that things you learn from mobile development wont be relevant though. When you fully decide to go this route, stick with it and be dedicated. You will spend many, many, many nights trying to do the simplest things. You will need plenty of time to study and code. If you have kids, it'll be even tougher but still doable if you are dedicated, you'll just simply sleep a lot less. There will also be many night when some strange errors will seem unsolvable and that's when it'll push you to your limits. At that point, it makes or breaks a lot of people and I have reason to believe it breaks a lot of folks. Anyway, its a long road ahead. It took me a very long time to create my fist app and it was the simplest app ever. If I had to build that app again, I could probably do it in less than a hour and it'll probably be better than the first one, haha. Also, most developers know that its something like 90% of the code is already written for you, its the 10% of what you code that make it unique and yours. Good luck.