i gotta say with our excellent eris devs we should have it in no time
right?
Holy hell...stop the madness.
i hope they are able to port it and get it stable honeycomb looks awesome on the g1!
I don't want honeycomb. I want Ice Cream. In fact, I scream for it.
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I scream, you scream, we all scream for Ice Cream!
(Can we drop the "Sandwich" thing now?)
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i gotta say with our excellent eris devs we should have it in no time
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Doubtful, it's a lot more work than you think.
Also I just watched the video on that and he never even shows what version of the Android OS he has. Not saying it's a lie, just saying i'm skeptical because he never goes through the settings and shows the Firmware Version or any Software Information for that matter. Could very well just be a rom that's themed to the Honeycomb OS.
I have faith that every single version of AndroidOS in the foreseeable future will have a compile or port for the Eris, and in relatively quick fashion since devs put a quick compile or port out first just to show that it can be done, and then work to see if they can work out the kinks. I assume that the reason Gingerbread has been developing on the Eris so much faster than Froyo did because some of what was learned from work on Froyo is applicable to GB, as far as getting certain things working: Wifi, BT, Camera...
So, I have no trouble believing that someone will make a Honeycomb ROM for the Eris sometime sooner rather than later; it's just unknown if it'll really be worth it because of all the things that might get "broken" with it on the Eris. Especially since Honeycomb isn't meant for phones at all, just tablets.
I don't know if this is accurate; it's confusing if it is but it's a WIKI so it might not be, but at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) it says that even though Honeycomb is 3.0, that a 2.4 is still planned for April, and that it's only sometime after that, 2.4 and 3.0 will be recombined into Ice-Cream Sandwich about mid-2011.
I further guess that the reason that Google had this split in their Android OS was to get a major new Android OS onto new tablets, but that they won't allow this split to get abused and continued for long at all, so 2.4 will be for phones and then Ice-Cream Sandwhich will probably be for both phones and tablets.
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if this really happens...will it be possible to port it to Hero??
is ported but is beta now...it will be a while until will see it on hero with the final form
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=688523&highlight=froyo =>i've tested this and wifi,bth and some things doesn work because is a beta
VillainRom (plus others?) are developing a froyo release right now, and from what I have been told its not far from a version 1 release.
Only one thing left to fix apparently.
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VillainRom (plus others?) are developing a froyo release right now, and from what I have been told its not far from a version 1 release.
Only one thing left to fix apparently.
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Yep, I think the VillainTeam are trying to get the mic working, then I believe it should be ready..!
ooh, thats really good to hear! Knowing our luck if HTC ever decide to give the Hero 2.2 it will probably be sometime in 2012
Well word has it that Google will be putting an end to phone manufacturers skinning Android when they release Gingerbread (3.0), as they plan on improving the interface. If so, that means no more Sense. It also means updating to newer versions of Android will be much quicker (as HTC don't have to make all the changes to Sense etc.) So if the Hero has the technical ability to take Android 3.0, we will most likely go from 2.1 to 3.0, and miss out 2.2.
Gingerbread is scheduled to be released Q4 of 2010. Either way, I'm due an upgrade in October/November anyway, so hopefully I'll get a new device sporting Gingerbread from release!
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Well word has it that Google will be putting an end to phone manufacturers skinning Android when they release Gingerbread (3.0), as they plan on improving the interface. If so, that means no more Sense. It also means updating to newer versions of Android will be much quicker (as HTC don't have to make all the changes to Sense etc.) So if the Hero has the technical ability to take Android 3.0, we will most likely go from 2.1 to 3.0, and miss out 2.2.
Gingerbread is scheduled to be released Q4 of 2010. Either way, I'm due an upgrade in October/November anyway, so hopefully I'll get a new device sporting Gingerbread from release!
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Meh. HTC will still need to add drivers etc. and that will give them a good excuse to take forever
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Well word has it that Google will be putting an end to phone manufacturers skinning Android when they release Gingerbread (3.0), as they plan on improving the interface. If so, that means no more Sense. It also means updating to newer versions of Android will be much quicker (as HTC don't have to make all the changes to Sense etc.) So if the Hero has the technical ability to take Android 3.0, we will most likely go from 2.1 to 3.0, and miss out 2.2.
Gingerbread is scheduled to be released Q4 of 2010. Either way, I'm due an upgrade in October/November anyway, so hopefully I'll get a new device sporting Gingerbretad from release!
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sence isnt a skin, if anything its a modification to android, also google stopping manufacturers doing anything would defeat the object of android being open source lol
pretty cool to hear some peeps are already working on porting Froyo to our beloved Hero
keeping my fingers crossed...
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sence isnt a skin, if anything its a modification to android, also google stopping manufacturers doing anything would defeat the object of android being open source lol
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Well, it's a UI overlay, which to me is the same as a skin! Lol! Either way, I can;t wait to see how it turns out.
I'm relatively new to the custom ROM scene, but I'm every bit as geeky as anyone on this forum. After a bit of ROM hopping and trying to find a good solid stable ROM I'm left wondering - is it simply going to be more of the same when the Honeycomb (and eventually Ice Cream Sandwich) source code is released and ported to G Tablet? Of course the newness of HC/ICS will lure me in but it feels like it'll just be a different toilet with the same ish. Is this scene just about sustaining "the chase" or does it actually get better?
P.S. - I'm not ishing on custom ROMs and I mean no disrespect to the ROM developers at all - I'm a developer myself and I would not do anything to hurt my own. Do not take my words the wrong way
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is it simply going to be more of the same when the Honeycomb (and eventually Ice Cream Sandwich) source code is released and ported to G Tablet?
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Yes, it will still be Android. No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd
What do you mean, more of the same?
I fail to see the point above me, as android is clearly not a turd. I also think that things will change. New APIs are released with each version of android, and these APIs in theory could have great effects on which apps can run etc. Just look at the Hero which was updated to 2.1 from 1.5 the difference the the amount of apps it can run at each version is amazing.
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I'm relatively new to the custom ROM scene, but I'm every bit as geeky as anyone on this forum. After a bit of ROM hopping and trying to find a good solid stable ROM I'm left wondering - is it simply going to be more of the same when the Honeycomb (and eventually Ice Cream Sandwich) source code is released and ported to G Tablet? Of course the newness of HC/ICS will lure me in but it feels like it'll just be a different toilet with the same ish. Is this scene just about sustaining "the chase" or does it actually get better?
P.S. - I'm not ishing on custom ROMs and I mean no disrespect to the ROM developers at all - I'm a developer myself and I would not do anything to hurt my own. Do not take my words the wrong way
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Huh? You weren't here when thy started developing the froyo custom rom and eventually ginger. There were a lot for them to hammer out. We now have very stable roms to use. HC will eventually be stble once they hammer out the bugs.
So I don't know what you mean by the same. Yes it will still be android. No it will never sing and dance. Yes the roms will be more stable. No its not an ipad.
Again I have no idea what you're asking.
I think he wants to know when we're getting iOS.
also seems to think you can't get honeycomb on a gtab yet....when we all know the alpha build been somewhat stable for a week now.
It almost sounds like you're looking for them to create something that exceeds what is sold as stock on other tablets, like the Xoom. For me, it's not even about that. While the devs do their own things to improve functionality and experience on the ROMs they cook up, ultimately the goal here is to provide the same functionality as stock ROMs at the very least to hardware that it wasn't originally designed for. With the GTab, for me it's about getting the equivalent of a higher priced product for less, with the same functionality, and experience.
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I think he wants to know when we're getting iOS.
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QFT
If the OP isn't into flashing and enjoying finding a ROM that suits their needs and just wants something that 'works out of the box' they are best suited to using IOS which makes things much easier and requires no thinking/experimentation/learning.
Some people buy these devices for the sheer fun of playing around, as annoying as that may sound.
Until the Android Market is updating with new apps regularly people arent going to be fully happy. I love my Tab for what it does but an app a day keeps the ios away.
I couldn't have said it any better. Its about getting the same experience from a device at half the price. I fully appreciate the hard work put into these roms and I think viewsonic would have sold half the amount or less gtabs without them.
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Yes, it will still be Android. No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd
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Well this seems to be the consensus. Makes sense and answers my question a little.
I guess this custom ROM scene reminds me of projects like XBMP - it went from mplayer to XBMP to XBMC and then to Plex & boxee. It evolved. It matured. Or like car enthusiasts - you have your collection of cars but you have one or two that you've put together that is solid. The thrill of practicing your craft is always going to excite you but at some point something becomes of the hard work that is put in. ROM hopping with Froyo and GB was fun, but knowing the same thing is going to happen with HC/ICS leaves one yearning for their trophy ROM after all that flashing.
Or maybe its out of ROM developers' and flashers' control. Maybe too many manufacturers are releasing too many damn Android devices that ROM developers are stuck in a perpetual state of "adding new device support" and bug fixing instead of innovating and truly polishing. Maybe "the fragmentation" hinders any substantial maturity in this scene and keeps ish more of the same. I may have just answered my own question there.
Oh well.
P.S. - I'm not a fan of iOS, love flashing/ROM hopping and all about getting the same if not better experience from a device at half the price.
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Well this seems to be the consensus. Makes sense and answers my question a little.
I guess this custom ROM scene reminds me of projects like XBMP - it went from mplayer to XBMP to XBMC and then to Plex & boxee. It evolved. It matured. Or like car enthusiasts - you have your collection of cars but you have one or two that you've put together that is solid. The thrill of practicing your craft is always going to excite you but at some point something becomes of the hard work that is put in. ROM hopping with Froyo and GB was fun, but knowing the same thing is going to happen with HC/ICS leaves one yearning for their trophy ROM after all that flashing.
Or maybe its out of ROM developers' and flashers' control. Maybe too many manufacturers are releasing too many damn Android devices that ROM developers are stuck in a perpetual state of "adding new device support" and bug fixing instead of innovating and truly polishing. Maybe "the fragmentation" hinders any substantial maturity in this scene and keeps ish more of the same. I may have just answered my own question there.
Oh well.
P.S. - I'm not a fan of iOS, love flashing/ROM hopping and all about getting the same if not better experience from a device at half the price.
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Actually, your points are extremely valid. I fully expect to be running a Bottle of Smoke beta (or alpha) when Ice Cream Sundae is released and the devs will be jumping all over the place. I think that is the natural order of this "scene" - that as newer code/features/support comes out the older stuff falls by the wayside and resources go to the new kid in town.
I too love to mess with things in general, betas, alphas -pretty much anything.
When I got my Gtab, I had already lurked here and decided I would try TnT lite and VEGAn and see which I liked more. I preferred VEGAn and stuck with it through several versions. I was constantly installing apps that looked interesting and alternative kernels (hello overclocking!) and ended up removing the vast majority of them.
Once the Notion Ink guys (and Roebeet) brought in the HC, my course was changed easily. Since I loved the new UI, I knew I would have a HC device soon. Through the various early alphas to the latest (3.3 last night) I have tried them all, NVFlashing sometimes 5 or 6 times a night to get back to functional. Lately, I keep coming back to version 2.4, which is most stable for me, but I will absolutely be sticking 3.4 and beyond on here even if it is just for a few minutes testing before I go back to 2.4.
If you are going to do any of it, go ahead and NVFlash to the base with the 1.2 bootloader for compatibility down the road. I get props almost daily for being so "cutting edge" and having the newest flavor first among my friends and coworkers/employees. They are always asking what OS I am running today.
will this software upgrade eventually make its way to the TB?
Im sure this has been covered before.
Don't hold your breath. Updates seemed to be few and far between. You will see a fully functioning ICS from one of the fine developers here long before an official release comes out OTA.
Sit back, relax and soon.. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow.. but soon...
WE WILL HAVE ICS! MUHHH HAAH AHAHA
We could hope that ICS makes it to the Thunderbolt.
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Im sure this has been covered before.
Don't hold your breath. Updates seemed to be few and far between. You will see a fully functioning ICS from one of the fine developers here long before an official release comes out OTA.
Sit back, relax and soon.. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow.. but soon...
WE WILL HAVE ICS! MUHHH HAAH AHAHA
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Well said.
I doubt we will ever see an OFFICIAL ICS build for the Thunderbolt. I just don't see HTC and Verizon spending the time on it with all the newer phones coming out.
I am confident we will get a full ICS ROM from our developers. There is already a booting port of it. No connectivity, but it boots!
Not offically
I'm sure we'll get a good working AOSP rom, CM9 is slated to fully supported the thunderbolt, as far as from HTC is concerned, it's seems very clear that the only announced supported devices from the big manufactuers, Samsung, HTC, Motorola are the dual core phones that were made recently, theirs no doubt in my mind the thunderbolt can handle ICS very well, but it'll probably get too laggy once they throw memory and resource intensive sense on top of it. I would bet money on the fact that the thunderbolt will never see official ICS
You'll notice that the Nexus S runs it fine, and other manufacturers like Sony Ericsion that have very light skins or none at all, can upgrade to ICS, they've vowed to do it for all Xperia devices launched this year at minimum.
I so wish they would drop the skins from Android devices. ICS don't need a skin, maybe older android versions needed skins to clean it up and make it user friendly but not any more.
I find it interesting how an update hasn't been issued in months, and the leaked update (198_7) never ended up being officially released. I wonder if that means either Moto has given up updating the phone or they are waiting for a newer GB or ICS build to release?
I'm very happy with my Photon with 198_7, although I have received the muted auto issue a few times that I thought Moto had fixed.
This is typical behavior. Updates don't typically happen every couple of months with android. There's a huge gap between them and its always been this way where have you been? Moto isn't focusing on updating gingerbread anymore there aren't major issues with our phone just minor. Their main focus is ice cream on newer devices including the photon. Again, manufacturers have always been silent about updates unless its a pure Google device i.e nexus, nexus s. Moto is hard at work right now to bring us some official ics real soon. My guess is some time before spring break (March-ish) not to forget stupid sprint still has to approve it which could take a month or two :rolls eyes:
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This is typical behavior. Updates don't typically happen every couple of months with android. There's a huge gap between them and its always been this way where have you been? Moto isn't focusing on updating gingerbread anymore there aren't major issues with our phone just minor. Their main focus is ice cream on newer devices including the photon. Again, manufacturers have always been silent about updates unless its a pure Google device i.e nexus, nexus s. Moto is hard at work right now to bring us some official ics real soon. My guess is some time before spring break (March-ish) not to forget stupid sprint still has to approve it which could take a month or two :rolls eyes:
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Sprint won't be stupid if they wait a month or two testing ICS before an offical OTAP. They've learned from past OS OTAPs that careful QA/QC of OS upgrades are manadtory for the best customer experience.
I for one am not worried whether not we get any updates of gingerbread. The only problem I ever had with this phone with random restart in that was cured with 198_7. As for ice cream sandwich I'm not worried whether not moto pushes out a build. I think ice cream sandwich itself is flawless and should not be skinned. I will be happy with a fully functional cm 9.
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idk but i hope sprint and moto send out ics, or someone builds it here. i really want it. dont get me wrong i like what i have now just ics is sooo nice
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idk but i hope sprint and moto send out ics, or someone builds it here. i really want it. dont get me wrong i like what i have now just ics is sooo nice
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Lol? Builds it? We already have a damn good working ics rom where have you been? As the great joker said "I think its safe to say the photon has ics" lol
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idk but i hope sprint and moto send out ics, or someone builds it here. i really want it. dont get me wrong i like what i have now just ics is sooo nice
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Yeah we have a build that works better than most of these other phones that have a build.
You know I love how motorola builds it's own homes not based off release blah I can't think... Everyone should know waht I mean the gingerbread interface google released was way different from waht we got which I think is way better than googles!
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And didn't joker say a while back they stopped bug fixing gingerbread to work on ics
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I know ICS is on the way but I am not particularly excited about it.
I was using honeycomb on my gtablet for a few months and was constantly frustrated by the laggyness and broken features. I am not ungrateful because I know the developers are working with what they have, which is next to nothing. But that doesn't stop it from being true that the honeycomb roms were not very stable.
I recently switched down to froyo, trying to get skype working so I could maybe give it to a friend for that purpose, and i was blown away by the stability and speed! It is amazing and I have actually used it to accomplish a few things in my daily life which I can't say I was able to do before. It really left an impression on me that just because an OS is old it doesn't mean it can't be better than the latest.
So now my concern is that ICS will be the same. Is there anything developers can really do to make ICS good without the source code/drivers? Or will it be another ROM that is just there to say you have the latest android on your device, no matter how many compromises there are with it.
I've got ICS on my droid incredible and on my galaxy nexus, and it would be cool to have it on all 3. But I have no problem keeping froyo on my tablet if it is simply better at accomplishing a task.
Haterade disclaimer
This post is not meant to bad mouth the developers or the community. In fact I am constantly amazed at what they are able to accomplish with so little. I don't mean to imply what they do is easy. I also don't think I could do any better. I wouldn't be able to do it in 10 years.
The gTablet actually has pretty decent specs. As a developer on ICS I can tell you that I can boot my tablet in 20 seconds and it operates great. Obviously there are still bug fixes but the build is progressing well. HD video and HW accel all work. Flashback or whatever HC build was laggy because the lack of proper drivers/kernel. We now have all of that for ICS. I'm guessing that by the time our build is done/tweaked it will be more stable and faster than froyo. Keep your head up and watch for the release sooner than later.
You have to take into account that the versions of Honeycomb on the gTablet were hacks of other device versions. It wasn't a true build for our devices, which is why some things wouldn't work. With FroYo, everything is working since all the pieces have been available.
What makes things look better with the ICS development (compared to Honeycomb) is that they are developing a kernel specifically for the gTablet. This, in itself, should make it a lot better than the pieced-together Honeycomb ports. Already they have hardware acceleration and HD video working, things that were only present in FroYo ROMs prior to this new kernel. Personally, I think the ICS build is looking stronger than any Gingerbread or Honeycomb version ported to the gTablet.
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The gTablet actually has pretty decent specs. As a developer on ICS I can tell you that I can boot my tablet in 20 seconds and it operates great. Obviously there are still bug fixes but the build is progressing well. HD video and HW accel all work. Flashback or whatever HC build was laggy because the lack of proper drivers/kernel. We now have all of that for ICS. I'm guessing that by the time our build is done/tweaked it will be more stable and faster than froyo. Keep your head up and watch for the release sooner than later.
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This is exactly the response I was hoping to hear.
I wasn't exactly sure if we would get HW accel and HD video with ICS. I knew we didn't have it on HC.
I'll stay optimistic though, thanks.
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You have to take into account that the versions of Honeycomb on the gTablet were hacks of other device versions. It wasn't a true build for our devices, which is why some things wouldn't work. With FroYo, everything is working since all the pieces have been available.
What makes things look better with the ICS development (compared to Honeycomb) is that they are developing a kernel specifically for the gTablet. This, in itself, should make it a lot better than the pieced-together Honeycomb ports. Already they have hardware acceleration and HD video working, things that were only present in FroYo ROMs prior to this new kernel. Personally, I think the ICS build is looking stronger than any Gingerbread or Honeycomb version ported to the gTablet.
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Thanks for that. Now I am excited lol.
If we can get a 1.5ghz ICS build as fast as the Froyo ROMS and as stable then that is fantastic. That was exactly what I was unsure about... since Gingerbread and Honeycomb were not so strong, would the same be true with ICS? I guess the answer is no, ICS should be awesome for our tablet.
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This is exactly the response I was hoping to hear.
I wasn't exactly sure if we would get HW accel and HD video with ICS. I knew we didn't have it on HC.
I'll stay optimistic though, thanks.
Thanks for that. Now I am excited lol.
If we can get a 1.5ghz ICS build as fast as the Froyo ROMS and as stable then that is fantastic. That was exactly what I was unsure about... since Gingerbread and Honeycomb were not so strong, would the same be true with ICS? I guess the answer is no, ICS should be awesome for our tablet.
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Don't worry we have a great team working on it, and as fosser says when it is released everything will run fast with HW acceleration, there will be no reason to ever run froyo again, unless you like running retro stuff for fun
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Don't worry we have a great team working on it, and as fosser says when it is released everything will run fast with HW acceleration, there will be no reason to ever run froyo again, unless you like running retro stuff for fun
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Camera will likely be working right?
Nevermind, I saw the DRH rom and it says no camera atm. I hope that could be added soon.
Hello all! For my first post, I'd like to say THANK YOU tohat all the developers that have worked so hard to bring us all these great ROMs. I have currently rolled back to the stock ROM, and will likely suffer with froyo until this ICS ROM comes out. While I am looking forward to it, I also know that nothing happens in a vacuum. If you devs are willing, I would be eager to volunteer my time and experience (close to two decades of using and building Linux systems and troubleshooting kernel problems, as well as configuring and building kernels) towards this project as a start. If there is any interest, any of you can PM me from here. And again, thanks!
Oops! Got my threads switched. The above was for the ICS ROM thread. Sorry for the confusion.
drizzt5, the beta links are live over on SD if you wanna check the speed and stability of ICS.
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drizzt5, the beta links are live over on SD if you wanna check the speed and stability of ICS.
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I actually had it downloaded and installed last night and have been playing with it for most of today.
It is fast, but unless I flashed it incorrectly or something it doesn't appear to be nearly as stable as froyo.
Yes, it is in beta and has just been released so it would be foolish of me to expect it to instantly be as stable as the froyo roms. But this is just not there yet. Browser crashes often for me.
Like I said before.
I've got ICS on my droid incredible and on my galaxy nexus, and it would be cool to have it on all 3. But I have no problem keeping froyo on my tablet if it is simply better at accomplishing a task.
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I can see the hard work that has gone into this ROM, and I can see the benefits from working from the ground up for just this tablet. I love what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work and it might eventually get to that level.