If the latest rumors are true and we won't be seeing a TBolt for a while .... what else are you guys looking forward to?
I like what we have had in the rootability of the HTC line up, hoping to stay w/them, but just curious to what else you guys/gals have been looking at in addition to this?
I think this was the only phone i was really looking forward too... but now I may have to reconsider after todays news..
The "stealth" looks ok but I dont want another phone with hard keys ( coming from X)
Then there is the Bionic... lol yeah right unless moto goes the route of the Xoom or there is a breakthough in bypassing by then.
The top LG phone is going GSM at first I hear.. will be a while till we see a version.
Same with the Galaxy 2, Gonna be gsm at first...
This really sucks.
I'm not leaving VZW and nothing else that we know is coming appeals to me like the TBolt. Hopefully they will get their crap together sooner rather than later. Sometimes being first (lte phone) is frustrating and disorganized.
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I'm going to hold out for the tbolt. I hate how blur is entirely so no bionic for me.
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I was really hoping the Thunderbolt would be released this month. I guess ill be holding off for the Bionic now to see how they compare...i really like the webtop app and hope that Motorolas statement about it being included in all high end smartphones includes the bionic.
Does anyone know how the modified blur on the bionic compares to the standard blur?
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I was really hoping the Thunderbolt would be released this month. I guess ill be holding off for the Bionic now to see how they compare...i really like the webtop app and hope that Motorolas statement about it being included in all high end smartphones includes the bionic.
Does anyone know how the modified blur on the bionic compares to the standard blur?
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Every review I've read says that the webtop is slow and frustrating with the Atrix. The Bionic is suppose to have half the ram, doubt it will be included at all or we would have heard about it.
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I almost made a thread like this. I have been considering exploring other options since the Thunderbolt release didn't go as expected. The Thunderbolt seems like an almost perfect device, but may have some flaws or setbacks. Possible issues with battery, 4G, Skype, and no Netflix. Granted, I don't believe they ever said it would have Netflix, but it would have been nice. And an HDMI port! I still can't get over that one. Why would you not put one on there, every other powerhouse phone has one.
Some other similar phones coming to Verizon to consider would be the Droid Bionic, LG Revolution, and the Samsung 4G phone.
Here is a video comparing the 4 phones. I think the guy may have some of his specs mixed up, but it is a good side by side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNh3-MsgtMQ
But the thing is just the wait for all these other phones is gonna be that much longer. I doubt another one will be out the gate before TB because it's already been advertised as our first. Don't get me wrong, I'll love HTC and Android forever, but the wait is just making me want to jump ship to the Palm Pre 2. Laugh all you want, but it's pretty much the next option for me from what's currently available.
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I'm going to hold out for the tbolt. I hate how blur is entirely so no bionic for me.
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Is MotoBlur the Moto desktop/launcher on phones? My BF has the DroidPro and when I mess around w/his phone I don't notice anything really different about how it operates - but I think I remember reading someplace that the Pro doesn't have Blur.
If it is a desktop/launcher, can't folks just replace it w/LPro or ADW or something?
I must be way off on what Blur actually is? (and I'm running late and too lazy to search at the moment, lol).
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But the thing is just the wait for all these other phones is gonna be that much longer. I doubt another one will be out the gate before TB because it's already been advertised as our first. Don't get me wrong, I'll love HTC and Android forever, but the wait is just making me want to jump ship to the Palm Pre 2. Laugh all you want, but it's pretty much the next option for me from what's currently available.
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It's not that the other phones will be released before the TB, it's that they will be released not long after now. Since the release dates are now pretty close to each other, would it be worth it to wait for a different phone?
The LG Revolution should be Q2 the last I heard. It has a 4.3" screen, HDMI out, and should have Netflix out of the box. It will also be the first voLTE to Verizon, making it as some people call it, a "true" 4G phone.
While the phone does has a front facing camera, the back camera is only a 5MP and single LED flash. No kickstand. Since it is an LG, it will lack a good interface like Sense, or even Motoblur. LG normally builds quality phones though.
I'm giving up. Going to get a Droid 1, root and customize it. I'll use that and decide if I even want Verizon's service at this point.
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I'm not leaving VZW and nothing else that we know is coming appeals to me like the TBolt. Hopefully they will get their crap together sooner rather than later. Sometimes being first (lte phone) is frustrating and disorganized.
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metropcs has been selling lte phones for a few months now. but maybe not in your area....
As for leaving VZW i did that and got a galaxy s 4g on tmobile. i loved the price, and the speed when near a 4g tower.. however i still recieved dropped calls.. (the onle smart phone that did that to me on vzw was the iphone) and the 4g coverage is horrible and the speed is erratic in good coverage areas..
I had a falling apart droid 1 that I bought on launch day and needed something new I ended up getting a droid x off ebay and loading a custom rom and done.. now i feel i have plenty of time to wait out a decent lte phone... most of the other lte phones on vzw are scheduled to launch in second QTR so really the next 3 months...
I am going to wait for a little bit now...
I still have my D1 rooted, overclocked, customized, etc. But the thing is so outdated it lags with all the crap I have loaded on it. This puts me in a crappy situation because my contract has been up since january. I was waiting on this as my next phone. If I could find a cheap phone (aka under $50 D2, Dinc or DX), I would use that for the time being for the next few months. I just almost feel like I'm wasting time because I could have started the 2 year countdown for another phone by now.
red, i played with the atrix today, and while BLUR still blows nutt juice that phone had a sex like screen if you will and blur ran buttery smooth compared to the droid x or 2, it never studdered or got choked up and although quadrant doesnt tell you much, i watched the 3d test and the FPS where off the freakin charts sometimes i saw well over 100 and it maintained a constant 60+ easily, given this phone had absolutely no apps running or even installed other than att ****ware. i was truly impressed and downloaded a couple of games while i played with it, the tegra really shines on graphic intensive stuff, i also played with the docking unit and while ive read production units dont have multi touch the display did and i must say that it was impressive. first time i have been impressed with moto that much since november of 09 with the droid 1. Hopefully when we get some rock solid info on the bionic it will have the 1gb of ram and not 512, in talking to some knowledgeable peeps about they seem to think that this could be possible since it will be basically the same as the atrix and they seemed to think that the 512mb of ram was a misprint or just a wrong quote entirely, if so, i may say **** it and go with the locked bootloader just to have such a kick ass phone. the camera was either really impressive or the screen just made it look that good, all around i would say that the the atrix is currently the most dominant phone in the android world. galxy s2 looks nice but ive already fell for that once with the fascinate(btw is still eclair in stock for FYI) but still uses the over saturated SAMOLED with the same resolution something like 800x480 and that is getting to be old news especially after playing with atrix today, if you lose hope on the bolt, the bionic will def be a winner in my book bootloader and all. screw it................well maybe not with the bootloader, depends whether i get a semi when i play with it or not the first time.
No offense to eris owners, but if you really want to give up and set the bar extremely low so you will be satisfied with any new phone you get, i suggest get an eris. lol i laugh at people who say their rooted eris will smoke the DInc, ive owned both, and if i stuck a rocket up the micro usb port on the eris it still couldnt catch the trusty old DInc. Now, back to the search for strippers and cocaine
Yeah the 512 ram on the Bionic is a turn off. I thought it was supposed to have 1gb, but motorolas website says 512. It seems like most of verizons phones always fall short of the other networks counterparts. Even my HTC Touch Pro had less ram than all the other Touch Pros on every network.
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No offense to eris owners, but if you really want to give up and set the bar extremely low so you will be satisfied with any new phone you get, i suggest get an eris. lol i laugh at people who say their rooted eris will smoke the DInc, ive owned both, and if i stuck a rocket up the micro usb port on the eris it still couldnt catch the trusty old DInc. Now, back to the search for strippers and cocaine
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So, if go to a Moto Razr I'll be more satisfied than my GingerTazz Eris?
j/k
I'm almost thinking of the incredible, wondering if I can get one for fairly cheap w/o going thru VZ that way I'll still only be locked into the rest of this contract (up in early 2012).
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So, if go to a Moto Razr I'll be more satisfied than my GingerTazz Eris?
j/k
I'm almost thinking of the incredible, wondering if I can get one for fairly cheap w/o going thru VZ that way I'll still only be locked into the rest of this contract (up in early 2012).
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yeah.. that is what i did ... except I went to the droidX so that I could get familiar with the 4.3inch size... I am very happy with this ... I have it rooted and am running the fission rom which is fast and stable. I came from a droid 1 that i purchased on launch day ... and it was starting to fall apart.. (no more sliders for me).... although I like the samsung galaxy s 4g i was concerned it did not have a message indicator light. I also stopped by an att store and played with an atrix and it was pretty sweet for the few minutes i spent with it...
either way it does look like another 3 months before we have any real phones from vzw ... I still think they are delaying these phones until they have there new lte pricing laid out... I don't think for a minute they will have unlimited lte on anything.
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yeah.. that is what i did ... except I went to the droidX so that I could get familiar with the 4.3inch size... I am very happy with this ... I have it rooted and am running the fission rom which is fast and stable. I came from a droid 1 that i purchased on launch day ... and it was starting to fall apart.. (no more sliders for me).... although I like the samsung galaxy s 4g i was concerned it did not have a message indicator light. I also stopped by an att store and played with an atrix and it was pretty sweet for the few minutes i spent with it...
either way it does look like another 3 months before we have any real phones from vzw ... I still think they are delaying these phones until they have there new lte pricing laid out... I don't think for a minute they will have unlimited lte on anything.
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It'll either be a DInc, stay w/my Eris and keep working w/Tazz's fine ROM's or buy a B&N Nook Color and hack it (because I CAN! lol). I feel the need to spend $$ (I don't have) for no reason
EDIT: Out of curiosity, why would somebody buy a phone on eBay w/a bad ESN? I see phones FS on there w/bad ESN's and wondering what you would do with one? Just use it for development or parts?
You can usually use those phones on cricket and other services like that. Some people also buy them for parts.
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Hey everyone,
I'm currently planning on upgrading from my Samsung Captivate. I haven't dealt with custom ROMs (I would have with the Captivate if I weren't switching), but am definitely planning on using them with the next phone I get.
When reading about the Inspire v. Atrix I've seen a lot of support for the Inspire due to the fact that it can load customs ROMs and therefor run faster, while Motoblur slows the Atrix down.
I'm a bit hesitant to buy the Inspire because I'm worried in the next couple of years the dual cores in the Atrix will be useful (and I like the better battery life).
And so my essential questions are this:
What are the major issues with Motoblur?
Does Gingerblur fix the lag issues with the Atrix, or does the Inspire still run more smoothly?
Does anyone expect full custom ROMs to be run on the Atrix at any point?
Thanks a lot for you help!
MotoBlur slows down all as hTC Sense does the same.
I LOVE hTC and I'm writing from my blazing fast G2 @2GHz but...I've bought an Atrix, at least it's dualcore...Tegra2.
And remember that it's an interesting device so...I hope that someone will trick the Tegra2's security chain.
Another thing: nothing is uncrackable.
Ouh, synthetically, I'd go on the Atrix choice.
I have had all three phones and my choice is the Atrix. Battery life on the inspire was horrible and didn't have a front facing camera. Currently I am running Gingerblur 6.5 and it is smoking fast. The Inspire was not even close to this fast! Also, this is the best battery life I have ever had on a smart phone.
So I would recommend the Atrix 4G!
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First off this is the wrong place for this thread.
I have an atrix and I love it. Yeah blur sucks, but I never used sense either. That's the beauty of android your not stuck like ios. If you want a big screen then go with the inspire, but keep in mind you have far less memory and only a single core and no tegra. The only thing really holding this phone back right now is the fact that development for apps and games don't fully utilize all of the power it has to offer. But that'd about to change bowe that the bionic is about to come out on verizon, it's pretty much the same phone. The catch is there are more devs on verizon phones. So inevitably there will be a butt load more support coming for dual core phones, especially moto.
That's my 2 cents.
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I've used Both. I loved the inspire. From HTC sense to the screen size everything was right. Then the reality started kicking in. I would use the phone for 20 minutes with the screen on checking twitter emails ect and the battery would loose 25%. Even when I didn't touch it it would drain about 10% an hour. Its an awesome phone but it would always have to be on yhr charger for me and this got really annoying. Now with the atrix I do miss the bigger size of the inspire screen but I get thru all day with this thing. And it has HDMI out and if you install the webtop hack like me you get hulu or whatever on your HDTV and you know what? Webtop is great for videos. It completely replaced my need for Google TV. That being said I do miss sense UI and the large screen but at the end of the day when you look at what's most important and a better long term investment atrix wins hands down.
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Yea, I agree, this probably belongs in the general area.
But a few quick words from a former Captivate user. Yea, they are super simple to hack, and that was cool. Especially since the phone had so many bug when released. Hacker/devs really cleaned it up and made it a good phone. But there are many things the Atrix can do that the old captivate cant, and the Inspire as well. For me, HDMI out is a huge deal, and webtop (with hack) is the icing on the cake. I love playing Emus on this while its hooked up to my TV. Its like having a NES,SNES,N64,GBA,Sega,PS1 in my pocket at all times.
The potential of this phone is HUGE. Hopefully as things progress more things will come, and be developed to put all this power to good use. I am sure that the badass Devs that are dedicated to this phone will come up with some very exciting things (as they have already!) If I had the know how, I'd certainly be in that ring coming up with cool things to do with this sucker.
Just out of the box, simply using a different launcher like LauncherPro will solve most of the motoblur issues. I used it that way for the first few weeks with no problem, and no lag. I just recently got the courage to flash gingerblur (I flashed the HELL out of my old Captivate) and so far it is awesome, and even faster. I am very happy I made the switch to Atrix. But if I had the $$ I'd prpbably have kept the Captivate too just to play with custom roms and tinker with.
Anyway, I would probably choose the Atrix over the Inspire just because of features and power potential.
Well if your worried about which phone will be more usefull in a couple years don't get either one. With the progression we've seen lately both phones will be considered dinosaurs by late summer.
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That's true. The price of the Atrix is already dropping, and with word/specs of the HTC Sensation 4G (Pyramid), as well as the EVO 3D, the Atrix will be old hat very soon it seems.
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That's true. The price of the Atrix is already dropping, and with word/specs of the HTC Sensation 4G (Pyramid), as well as the EVO 3D, the Atrix will be old hat very soon it seems.
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Looking at the ATT site, the price has not dropped. $199 for new contract is still normal.
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Well if your worried about which phone will be more usefull in a couple years don't get either one. With the progression we've seen lately both phones will be considered dinosaurs by late summer.
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d1nonlyhogfan said:
That's true. The price of the Atrix is already dropping, and with word/specs of the HTC Sensation 4G (Pyramid), as well as the EVO 3D, the Atrix will be old hat very soon it seems.
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Dont know what inside info u got but i dont see any phone smoking atrix this year... Apart from slightly better camera, screen or 3D (which are personal tastes), i dont see any specs that atrix can't match .. and when u throw in the accessories (which no one else is even working on), atrix becomes a unique phone solid enough to last till the Quadcores come NEXT summer.
Here is post comparing atrix & sensation and most users still prefer atrix. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032403
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Looking at the ATT site, the price has not dropped. $199 for new contract is still normal.
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You can get it for $129 or $99 from Amazon.com as well as Costco (if you are a member).
Ok today Verizon call me and asked if I would like to renew my plan and replace my phone with new every 2 years.
Now I really really like my Eris. It's size is wonderful the speed is not great from all the development from XDA developers and thank you all for the support over the years.
Yes the phone could use more ram but adding sd cards and tweaking this done the job for me.
So the question is should I be looking to to an LTE4 phone before it is a limited data plan right now I tether my phone to my computer when on the road and I use the GPS so much with google maps.
The TB looks like a great phone however I hear the battery life stinks and duel cores are the next big thing.
What would you do?
There's always going to be a newer, faster, more of this or that coming out soon.
I would wait it out. If your Eris does everything you need then why bother to change into a new plan now?
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The TB looks like a great phone however I hear the battery life stinks and duel cores are the next big thing.
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I haven't seen the battery life on the TB yet, but the argument of not getting it and instead waiting for a dual core phone is crap. I've seen the speed of the TB on stock and it's amazingly fast, I don't see a dual core processor giving you any advantage over the single core in the TB.
I agree with sir_eagle. If you always wait for the next big thing, when Do you stop waiting? The thunderbolt looks pretty awesome. That's what I am wanting right now. I can't see the battery life being any worse than what the Eris was a couple of years ago. That's just my $. 02.
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I was just having the same issue, and when I looked up that I have 4g all over my lil back country area, I decided to go ahead and upgrade.
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I was just having the same issue, and when I looked up that I have 4g all over my lil back country area, I decided to go ahead and upgrade.
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After looking at the map at network4g.verizonwireless. com I see where I live at is covered with 4g but my work only has 3g.
I do agree with everyone the TB will most likely get better with time, as for waiting one side of me says wait for a smaller phone because I like the size of what I have but the other says go for it... Coverage will come with time and the phone specs are great.
idk maybe I need to sleep on it more.
Thanks everyone for the different views
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I'm glad to know I can agree with you about something! Everyone's comments regarding this are spot on. There'll always be reasons to wait. IMHO it sounds to me the OP is itching for an upgrade, so I would say go for it.
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I haven't seen the battery life on the TB yet, but the argument of not getting it and instead waiting for a dual core phone is crap. I've seen the speed of the TB on stock and it's amazingly fast, I don't see a dual core processor giving you any advantage over the single core in the TB.
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I agree with sir_eagle. If you always wait for the next big thing, when Do you stop waiting? The thunderbolt looks pretty awesome. That's what I am wanting right now. I can't see the battery life being any worse than what the Eris was a couple of years ago. That's just my $. 02.
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I just bought an old school Moto Droid off ebay, lol...
Verizon will have to kiss my ass and wash my feet before I lock into an other contract
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Get an incredible. I belive they are free through amazon and tigerdirect. Super fast and the size is perfect.
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get an incredible. I belive they are free through amazon and tigerdirect. Super fast and the size is perfect.
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Yea, but they are End of Life, why replace one outdated phone with another?
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Yea, but they are End of Life, why replace one outdated phone with another?
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Could be the right price
The 149.99 I got the TB for was the right price, I don't know if verizon is still running whatever that was, but it was the major factor for me along with the desire to have a 4g phone before the move to tiered data
yeah but the incredible will still be supported, will get gingerbread officially and is still a pretty kick a*s phone even though it is a year old and EOL.
i really don't want to give up my incredible ever. it really is the perfect phone for me.
I actually still love/have my eris as well. I am rocking gsb and I use it as an mp3 player and to stream audiogalaxy over wifi while at work.
EOL is the way to go. Then I have no hesitation getting a XDA upgrade.
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I really wanted the TB, but now with running GSB on my little Eris it is totally revived and does what I need it to do.
Sure it is not an Inc or TB in regards to specs, but atm I'm quite happy.
Also hesitant to sign up for another 2 year contract, so for my next phone I might go the e-bay route as well should my Eris die.
4G is not in my area yet and won't be till at least next year, so no need for a 4G phone yet.
I'm in the same boat. I'd love to get the latest and greatest, but my Eris is running pretty well on GSB 2.8. I fear the TB might be a little big, and I'm worried about these rumors of unrootable HTC devices. If the Incredible 2 is unrootable, I guess I can look into the LG Revolution, or fall back on the TB, which may prove to be the last great dev phone on Verizon.
Or... if the gloomy predictions about Android becoming more closed end up being all true, I'll get the iPhone 5 and sit this generation of Android out until they pull their heads outta their asses. Maybe I'll wait for a device that runs Jellybean.
I have 2 family share lines w. nice discounts, both eligible for upgrade - with the last of NE2 and the disappearing annual/VIP upgrades - line 2 to be out of contract in 3 months/line 1 out in 10 months. Going to wait & I'm holding it out and might just ditch CDMA handsets and join the fun with GSM - more rooted device to pick & choose. VZW has NOT been consumer friendly, doing away with 1 year subsidized pricing plan as of 4/17 - yes, next week (in case, anyone missed the leaked news now plastered all over CNN, et. al.) Not sure if I wanted to renew another 24 months with them (been w. big Red since the mid 90's although I have backup lines with other carriers) - tired of their high ETF and capped unlimited data pricing, etc.
Was @ local Target/VZW kiosk looking at the TB along with Moto's & LG/Samsung's - while glancing at AT&T's sibling offerings and prices. TB is nice with a big screen, but I asked myself do I really want to hang a "brick" in a pouch on the belt and deal with an oversized battery (or, keep a spare ones with me at all times?) Prices will drop sooner & faster than the remaining lifespan on the contract while resale/trade-in values will fade even faster with the dual core's releases.
EOL or not, I picked up my ebayed Eris for under $100 (excellent condition 9 - 9.5 out of 10) including 2 SD cards & batch of accessories after researching. This is ideal for my use and still undecided between 3 or 4 top ROM's - Froyshedyo, XtrRom, XTRSense & GSB 2.8 - having fun & getting acceptable battery life, enough to last a full 15 to 18 hours extended work day if necessary. Sure, I could use a bigger screen (eyesights not what it used to be as one aged, LOL) but this was a step up from the HTC Ozone/Q series' 2.4" screens. Faster CPU's, more memories & bigger SD card will always be in the race for us to catch - depending on one's priorities & preferences - might as well go the extra yard & get a tablet ?? with a 7" screen so that I can really see FB, YT and use Navigation ....
This "little" nicely sized Eris is as good as we can root it - why mess with it as between DW and I, we CAN make the best use of it in the coming year with continued XDA development & support here, thanks to all.
Hello forum,
I've read about 9 hrs worth of info on here in 2 days. I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I will try and keep this short, I might fail.
I came from an org d1 with cm7, great phone. Its old hardware and I was due for an upgrade.
I just got the HTC Thunderbolt 2 days ago. I'm not very impressed with it AT ALL. I realllllly hate the HTC SENSE gui. I've never liked HTC to begin with. But the TB had 4g (which I just found out I wont get untill 2013) and a FF Camera. I don't really care about 4G anymore, any good crap I do over WiFi anyways. As far as the FF Camera, it was fun, im over it.
I have 14 days (12) to change my mind and was told I can switch phones. I really wanted the X2 in the first place, but I went with the TB. What I really want is just a beast phone that can last 2 years with upcoming tech. Everyone I hear talking about the dual core stuff says its over rated because no OS or APPs use it yet. I've been watching some Videos on the X2 and Im liking it more.
What I wonder is if its going to have any development? The HTC TB already has tons of custom ROMs and CM7 is about there. Do you guys think the X2 will get any attention? Will there be custom ROMs? I really dont like MOTOBLUR but I would be able to put up with it for 6 months over the sense.
How is the battery? Without 4G even turned on I cant even get a full day off this TB.
Is it pretty smooth and fast? I'm a little worried about the RAM .... 512 vs 768? I mean coming from the D1 512 should be fine..... but does it feel smooth?
Are there ways right now (I know you can root) to debloat it and take off MOTOBLUR ? I really just want a clean AOSP, but I'm very willing to wait for development. I just wonder if the X2 will get any attention.
Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Sorry so long.
If you want custom roms then stick with the Thunderbolt. Until the Motorola bootloader gets unlocked you won't be able to fully flash a custom rom.
Also the X2 does not have MOTOBLUR on it. And yes it is possible to root using gingerbreak and remove any bloatware.
I just got my X2 yesterday and the UI seems to be a lot smoother with the dual core processor compared to my old X. If you don't get 4G coverage then I would definitely go with the X2. Also in my experience Motorola phones tend to have better battery life over HTC.
The X2 does have MOTOBLUR but it is the updated version they use normally with gingerbread which is not as bad as the version they had before.
As for development like the previous poster said, until Motorola unlocks the bootloader and an sbf is found/created. ROMs are out of the question at the moment..
Personally I came from the TB and although the TB had all the custom ROMs th X2 has made me happy with the smooth UI, after some tweaking, and the battery life is alot better.
It's going to be a trade-off. If you like to root/ mod you're going to have to wait on the X2 for a while. I read they just cracked the Droid X for CM 7, so there's hope but no idea on when we might have a full range of option for the X2.
On the other hand, the DX2 works great out of the box and my only major complaint is no Gingerbread yet. I've used both and, given the TB's battery life sucks and I'm not around a 4G area at work or home and won't be for a while, the X2 is the better option in my opinion. The TB is not a bad phone over all, but without the 4G it's not a compelling device to need right now IMO.
I'd recommend you go with the X2 and wait until 4G LTE is both widespread and all the bugs are worked out in the system.
I've tried all of Verizon's 4G phones within my 14 day return period. (I'm paying full price, so I didn't just want to settle with playing with a floor model for a few minutes to make a decision.) Anyway, it was something about each one that made me not want to keep them. (Although I saw the Charge received an update that made the phone 2-3 times better from what I'm reading from users across different forms.) But I settled with the DX2. Far better signal than any of the others I had. Much better battery life. Better build quality by far. As smooth as the Thunderbolt, even with 512 of RAM. And it has the Dual Core processors, which will eventually be beneficial once more phones get them and more developers start working around them, software and app wise. I get 4G in my area in 2 months and I still choose to go with a 3G phone, because a page loading a few seconds faster on 4G than mine does on 3G, has absolutely no importance in my life. I think ffc's are kind of overrated right now, but will be the norm in the future when almost everyone has a phone with a camera on it. We can only hope Motorola will unlock the bootloader. I doubt Verizon would approve of that, but still, the original Droid X received some pretty good attention from dev's. As you can see, it was thought of enough that someone worked hard to get CM7 on there. So the dev attention will be there.
Thanks for all your help guys..... still a tough choice...
But since the X2 has a "locked bootloader" that means there will never be custom ROMs untill MOTO themselfs release an update to unlock it or what? Did the ORG droid X have a locked bootloader? Wasnt there custom roms on it?
I had a thunderbolt but the battery life was just to bad for me to keep it when i was near stl and had 4g it went from 100% to 25 in no time flat so i couldnt handle that. the droid x2 with all the bloat ware ran decently fast but once u take off bloat ware its great phone with much better battery but if you want 4g id say go with lg revolution it seems to be better i only played with in store but i liked it also
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Thanks for all your help guys..... still a tough choice...
But since the X2 has a "locked bootloader" that means there will never be custom ROMs untill MOTO themselfs release an update to unlock it or what? Did the ORG droid X have a locked bootloader? Wasnt there custom roms on it?
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No, Yes and Yes. The bootloader on the original X is still locked. That just means that you don't have complete control over the kernel. Custom roms can certainly still be added once root is established. Also, if anybody's been watching the blogs, CM7 has been release for the original X. It's a bit of backwards magic of loading overtop and after the original kernel, but it's reported to be working great.
Indeed, I'm really keeping my fingers crossed that CM7 on the DX means we're in line for it on the X2!
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Haha, me and you are both in the same place
I'm leaning towards returning the X2 and getting the Tbolt, but the extra $135 I'll have to pay is making me unsure..since I have no income.
The good thing is, is that I read earlier today that the new Nexus phone is supposed to have a LTE radio. (Verizon maybe?!) Either that or the Galaxy S 2..both seem like good choices.
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Haha, me and you are both in the same place
I'm leaning towards returning the X2 and getting the Tbolt, but the extra $135 I'll have to pay is making me unsure..since I have no income.
The good thing is, is that I read earlier today that the new Nexus phone is supposed to have a LTE radio. (Verizon maybe?!) Either that or the Galaxy S 2..both seem like good choices.
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Have you played around with a charge at all?
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Have you played around with a charge at all?
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I would, but I can't afford $300 for a phone .. I mean after trading in my X2, I'd have to pay like $150 dollars, unless its "lowest promotional price" is less than $299.
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I would, but I can't afford $300 for a phone .. I mean after trading in my X2, I'd have to pay like $150 dollars, unless its "lowest promotional price" is less than $299.
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Besides, the Charge is still a single core phone.
OMG ! Some of you people are so picky! If I could have my X2's babies I would! I love this phone and I'm in the same situation as the OP. I won't get 4G til around until 2013 and I'll be eligible for an upgrade in January 2013. By then, I'm hoping to get whatever new multi-core, 4G, 3D display, FFC phone they have because I'm sure all of that will be more of a standard *AND* hopefully there will be better battery life for those kinds of features. Until then, gogo Droid X2!
FFC isn't all that great without 4G anyway and even if it was great on 3G, I still don't see myself using it until video calling becomes much more popular. I don't even know anyone else with an FFC for video calling, so how useful is that?? You gotta ask yourself: Who do I know with FFCs? and: Are we really gonna video chat a lot? Unless you're a hardcore SKYPEr or you are on business trips away from your wife and kids a lot, why not just stick to the casual video chatting you may or may not do on your PC?
Minus the custom ROM this is still a great phone and handsdown a top choice if you're gonna be outside the 4G bubbles for a while! Just sayin'.
You won't see any custom development until both an SBF file and the first update to the phone release. For the record, I'm quite surprised neither have leaked yet. Usually the SBF leaks in the first week or two and there is an update within the first couple weeks to fix stability issues. The X2 has so many stability issues that I think they're just going to push GB to the device rather than try to fix all the Froyo problems. That being said, it could still be a while before we see GB. I also wouldn't own this phone without being willing to root it. Too unstable without being able to fix the memory allocation problems.
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That's a good point. Now that I think about it, a single core phone isnt worth $300 dollars , even if it has 4G... I just rooted my X2, and now I going to try to uninstall the bloat, but it already feels faster.
lol, i have a brand spankin new dx2 i am willing to trade for a tbolt!!
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OMG ! Some of you people are so picky! If I could have my X2's babies I would!
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I'll second the comment that nearly all the VZW phones involve compromises of some sort. The compromises on the X2 are the lack of 4G, the not-quite-top-tier screen, and the fact that we might not see custom ROMs for a very long time.
That said, my phone is my lifeline, and the X2 meets my need for good build quality, good reception, a loud speaker (I'm a little hard at hearing), and that can get me into and out of my work-related apps quickly.
I feel like I got a good PHONE that's solid, loud, reliable, and pretty quick. Good enough for me for now. If I get Cryogen on it, then all the better, but it won't kill it for me.
Chris
I had the TB and it was a POS. Bad gps, light leaks, horrible battery, terrible speaker, kickstand started peeling after a month. I'm not saying my DX2 is perfect, but it kicks the TB's ass. Love my dual core monster.
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So i called in about the issues with phone calls and I got offered an Droid X2, Droid Incredible 2 and an Droid Charge if i go in store. The tech said he'd personally go with the Droid Incredible 2 as a different brand since Sammy Fascinate was giving me issues and that coverage for 4G LTE was a little spotty due to it being a new technology and all, so he'd personally wait about a year more till he would get anything 4G related. Which makes sense.
So just wondering for the people that have made the switch to either the droid charge or the droid incredible 2 due to missed calls and text (which were utterly annoying... especially when the said calls got somehow forwarded to someone else(?!)), which ones did you guys decide and why?
I'm wondering is the droid incredible 2 has better hardware wise and snappier due to the extra ram or would the droid charge beat the droid incredbile 2 because of the hummingbird processor after changing it from an rfs filing system to ext4? Though from what I've heard and talked to, the charge is the same overall GPU and CPU as the fascinate just with updated 4G LTE radio and an Super Amoled Plus screen... and is the SLCD screen any good???
I can't quite decide which one to get as I'm kinda iffy on getting another samsung product.. especially if it were basically the same as the fascinate. I love my fascinate but having multiple missed calls without notification and forwarded ones is just plain bad.. . I have (or so says the coverage map..) 4G in my area but realistically I highly doubt its applicable since apparently I'm on the EDGE of 3G coverage radius so 3G is horrible for me. Though if 4G actually is covered much better than id have to go with that since coverage is better than no coverage.
Please help me decide which one to get and also which one are most of the devs from the Fassy team getting-for the ones with the same issue as others?
Thanks.
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So I went ahead and got the Droid Incredible 2 and I say I couldn't be happier with it because HTC Sense looks really nice for usability but also the fact that the launcher looks and acts good!! I'm so glad, done with TW! I will miss my SAMOLED screen though.. but I can still upgrade and I'm sure by that time HOPEFULLY they'll have something along the lines of Galaxy S2! That would be nice..
Thanks for all of you guys help!! Hope I made the right choice, though I seem to think I did haha. Anybody know a good case and skin to go with it??
EDIT: just got Miui mtb Tom on my phone and boy does MIUI look sexy on the fascinates screen.. and it runs real smooth with no problems on the ec09 modem surprisingly. I wish I had done this earlier... now I'm going to miss this screen and miui running on it.. it looks so nice haha. Tempted to switch from the dinc2 to the charge just for the screen itself running MIUI but I'm pretty sure I know I want some of that good HTC integration with Facebook lol.. . I'm well surprised with MIUI.. even though I somehow didn't get voodoo to correctly convert the phone. :/
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So i called in about the issues with phone calls and I got offered an Droid X2, Droid Incredible 2 and an Droid Charge if i go in store. The tech said he'd personally go with the Droid Incredible 2 as a different brand since Sammy Fascinate was giving me issues and that coverage for 4G LTE was a little spotty due to it being a new technology and all, so he'd personally wait about a year more till he would get anything 4G related. Which makes sense.
So just wondering for the people that have made the switch to either the droid charge or the droid incredible 2 due to missed calls and text (which were utterly annoying... especially when the said calls got somehow forwarded to someone else(?!)), which ones did you guys decide and why?
I'm wondering is the droid incredible 2 has better hardware wise and snappier due to the extra ram or would the droid charge beat the droid incredbile 2 because of the hummingbird processor after changing it from an rfs filing system to ext4? Though from what I've heard and talked to, the charge is the same overall GPU and CPU as the fascinate just with updated 4G LTE radio and an Super Amoled Plus screen... and is the SLCD screen any good???
I can't quite decide which one to get as I'm kinda iffy on getting another samsung product.. especially if it were basically the same as the fascinate. I love my fascinate but having multiple missed calls without notification and forwarded ones is just plain bad.. . I have (or so says the coverage map..) 4G in my area but realistically I highly doubt its applicable since apparently I'm on the EDGE of 3G coverage radius so 3G is horrible for me. Though if 4G actually is covered much better than id have to go with that since coverage is better than no coverage.
Please help me decide which one to get and also which one are most of the devs from the Fassy team getting-for the ones with the same issue as others?
Thanks.
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I took the offer for a Charge the other day due to the problems with my Fassy, so I don't have it yet. That said, both are very nice phones. I've seen and played with the Dinc2 and its SLCD screen definitely gives the SAMOLED a little competition. It's also a little faster/snappier which is mostly due to the newer 1ghz processor it comes with as well as HTC's Sense UI (which I waaaaaay prefer over Touchwiz). The front facing camera (and better 8mp back camera) as well as global capabilities are nice as well. The Charge has it beat in the screen department with the SAMOLED+ screen and the data speed department with 4G, but seems to be a little big and bulky yet thin. Also some people don't like the physical buttons on the bottom instead of capacitive ones but they work nicely. It has the same front facing camera, back camera, and newer generation 1ghz processor but also includes HDMI out. Both come stock with 2.2 FroYo, however I'm hearing new Dinc2's are shipping with 2.3 Gingerbread which means no rooting/roms (for now ). If you have 4G coverage I would say Charge as it is arguably one of the best phones VZ has at the moment.
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I took the offer for a Charge the other day due to the problems with my Fassy, so I don't have it yet. That said, both are very nice phones. I've seen and played with the Dinc2 and its SLCD screen definitely gives the SAMOLED a little competition. It's also a little faster/snappier which is mostly due to the newer 1ghz processor it comes with as well as HTC's Sense UI (which I waaaaaay prefer over Touchwiz). The front facing camera (and better 8mp back camera) as well as global capabilities are nice as well. The Charge has it beat in the screen department with the SAMOLED+ screen and the data speed department with 4G, but seems to be a little big and bulky yet thin. Also some people don't like the physical buttons on the bottom instead of capacitive ones but they work nicely. It has the same front facing camera, back camera, and newer generation 1ghz processor but also includes HDMI out. Both come stock with 2.2 FroYo, however I'm hearing new Dinc2's are shipping with 2.3 Gingerbread which means no rooting/roms (for now ). If you have 4G coverage I would say Charge as it is arguably one of the best phones VZ has at the moment.
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i too went with the charge.. the SAMOLED+ screen is stunning, no other phones have screen quality and vibrance of samsung.. the charge also has 512mb of formatted ram as to wear the fascinate, has like 386 formatted. so a lil more ram, lil faster prossesor a bigger screen FFC HDMI out and 4G i dont see how anyone is having trouble making this desion.. in my opinion the only thing the INC2 has over the charge is Sense.. but i preffer Aosp so it doesnt matter regaurdless.
Go to verizon and play with both phones. Vzw sent me a dinc2 and a charge. Got the dinc2 on friday and played with it all weekend.
Today my charge arrived and while I was pretty sure I was keeping the dinc2, I ended up falling in love with the charge from the second I turned it on. The screen is bigger than the dinc2 and certainly more crisp. I wouldnt say its a huge difference but the blacks come thru much darker on the charge.
The dinc2 was a bit snappier when scrolling thru home screens or starting up apps. With that said it wasn't a huge difference. Since I had the opportunity to have both phones in my possession I did a little face off. It seemed like the dinc2 was better at scrolling and loading apps, the charge beats the dinc2 in the screen dept. And both phones felt pretty much even in respects to internet browsing off of my home fios wifi.
In the end the choice was made easy for me and boiled down to the 4.3 inch super AMOLED plus screen, Along with the familiarity of samsung. The dinc2 and my fassy are both in a box and on their way back to Texas via FEDEX.
I would highly reccomend going to verizon and toying around with both phones. Ultimately it's gonna boil down to which ever phone works best for you......
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^^^ im still waiting u suck
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Go to verizon and play with both phones. Vzw sent me a dinc2 and a charge. Got the dinc2 on friday and played with it all weekend.
Today my charge arrived and while I was pretty sure I was keeping the dinc2, I ended up falling in love with the charge from the second I turned it on. The screen is bigger than the dinc2 and certainly more crisp. I wouldnt say its a huge difference but the blacks come thru much darker on the charge.
The dinc2 was a bit snappier when scrolling thru home screens or starting up apps. With that said it wasn't a huge difference. Since I had the opportunity to have both phones in my possession I did a little face off. It seemed like the dinc2 was better at scrolling and loading apps, the charge beats the dinc2 in the screen dept. And both phones felt pretty much even in respects to internet browsing off of my home fios wifi.
In the end the choice was made easy for me and boiled down to the 4.3 inch super AMOLED plus screen, Along with the familiarity of samsung. The dinc2 and my fassy are both in a box and on their way back to Texas via FEDEX.
I would highly reccomend going to verizon and toying around with both phones. Ultimately it's gonna boil down to which ever phone works best for you......
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I saw you and gunnermike and imnuts in the Charge forums, does that mean we're gonna get some of that Fassy awesoneness on the Charge???? (themes and kernels and such lol)
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I was going thru the same choices this morning so i went to the store and after looking at both i decided on the charge also. Many people in IRC had lots of thoughts about both but they all said in the end its a personal preference. plus if you choose charge you have no choice but to go to the store anyhow.
my inc2 comes tomorrow, kind of excited....should be a nice change of pace from samsung stuff until the sgs2 drops
i'm pretty sure i know the answer here, but can anyone confirm that the charge replacement DOES or DOES NOT come with the pre installed 32g SD Card, required SIM Card and standard charging cables?
I gotta ask. Do you keep your phone until the replacement arrives or do they take your phone and your SOL until it comes?
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i'm pretty sure i know the answer here, but can anyone confirm that the charge replacement DOES or DOES NOT come with the pre installed 32g SD Card, required SIM Card and standard charging cables?
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my charge will come with everything according to the rep in the store I ordered it from, I simply have to go back to the store when I get it and activate the 4G sim card.. idk if that means sd card but that's not a deal breaker for me as I think I have another 16gb sitting around somewhere
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I gotta ask. Do you keep your phone until the replacement arrives or do they take your phone and your SOL until it comes?
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keep it until the replacement comes, then you have to send it ALL back (according to tech support)
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my inc2 comes tomorrow, kind of excited....should be a nice change of pace from samsung stuff until the sgs2 drops
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nice... its a neat phone, I played with it in the store
if it comes with GB you'll be SOL for rooting/roms (for now) but I'm sure that won't matter on a phone like that
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keep it until the replacement comes, then you have to send it ALL back (according to tech support)
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Thank you. Yeah I just ODIN'ed back to DI01. I think I'm gonna cry lol.
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Thank you. Yeah I just ODIN'ed back to DI01. I think I'm gonna cry lol.
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I've been running stock ED04 waiting for it to show up and I think I will cry a little too when packaging up my Fassy...
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I did the same as nitsuj. Decided to go dinc2 and take a break from Sammy. After playing with both on wifi ...I liked the dinc2 more.
With the added ram ..I felt the dinc2 was more snappy and responsive. On web pages, I felt the dinc2 scrolled much easier.
I agree...you can't beat the samoled ...but the slcd on dinc2 is good enough for me. I also likes the shape opposed to the charge.
Sadly...root is not an option on phones shipped with gb ...but I was extremely pleased with stock performance...and I have faith that eventually the dinc2 will get root.
As for all of the guys such as myself who are active on irc ... we should all plan on sticking around to help each other since the fascinate community is 2nd to none.
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nice... its a neat phone, I played with it in the store
if it comes with GB you'll be SOL for rooting/roms (for now) but I'm sure that won't matter on a phone like that
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well *i* wont be sol if it comes with gb, but many would be
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You keep it. Once you sign for your new phone it deactivates the old one and activates the new. Another FYI, I didn't receive my 4G sim w/ the phone so you may have to go to the store and get one.
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I saw you and gunnermike and imnuts in the Charge forums, does that mean we're gonna get some of that Fassy awesoneness on the Charge???? (themes and kernels and such lol)
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Themes for sure, im not much of a code guy tho. I was hoping to get nitsuj17 to the charge but he chose the dinc2. but imnuts is there and navenrob is gonna get a charge(he's taking donations). We really need JT or Sbrissen but JT doesnt have any interest and im not sure bout sbrissen....
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For the people getting replacement phones, do they ship you the refurbs even for the Charge? Or are they new phones? I get missed calls once in a while, but not sure if out could get me a new phone (or if I even want one).
Also, does it affect your upgrade date?
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Who's taking the Photon back when the GSII comes in a week? Im taking it back because there are too many dumb things happening with this phone,the reboots and such. Plus there isn't too much going on with the Dev side either.
Why do people keep spamming the board with threads that already exist... I just don't understand.
And for the record, i've had my Mopho rooted and unlocked since the first week with yayrom installed (ive owned it for a little over a month). I havn't had any problems... The same can be said for countless other. The dev community is fine. You dont need countless bugged roms, just a few quality ones from quality developers. We have that. Adopt patience, it's a virtue. And well, if you dont have any, have fun with your sg2. We could use less user spam anyway.
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Who's taking the Photon back when the GSII comes in a week? Im taking it back because there are too many dumb things happening with this phone,the reboots and such. Plus there isn't too much going on with the Dev side either.
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Mines never rebooted once in the week I've had it. Today we have a further 2 roms available in development, things seem to be picking up. Besides I cannot take mine back as it would be a hefy price from the UK to the States, not that I want to anyways, love this phone
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I was thinking about it but after taking a look at the Samsung infuse at an att store I changed my mind. 800 x 460 screen resolution on a 4.54 inch screen is fail.
I agree with i made a video discussing the build quality samsung makes all there phone plastic that feels really cheap. I had the infuse and charge and it feels real cheap motorola just on build quality is amazing prime example test out the epic 4g and then a droid 3 its a major difference. The photon is a beast and people just go along with reviews from people like phonedog that test out phones and there not actual using them as there personal phone. The epic touch is basically a infuse with a few changes the photon is so different and i agree i would rather have a couple stable roms then a bunch of unstable ones my take it from me because i would listen to those people and go out and buy phone after phone listen to them talking about this is the best when it wasnt. Now i know whats good and whats garbage. On the photon really all u need is it rooted changed to launcher pro and setcpu and its amazing
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The CDMA radio in the Photon is reason enough to hang on to it, i can make phone calls in places i never could before with my Evo 4G and my Evo Shift.
The other day my phone was sitting side by side with a Verizon Thunderbolt, the T-bolt didn't have service and my Photon was roaming on Verizon with 3 bars.
I also get full service at work (on sprints network) where i only had one to two bars with my Evo.
Wanna hear something funny. The radios on this device rock for me. I was in a hospital waiting room the other day while a family member was having surgery and I had to provide a wifi hotspot for my brother and my uncle who were using T-Mobile and AT&T. Ain't that the ****!
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That's kinda funny.