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i tink that LG was waiting for cooking a stock rom based on android 2.4 (instead of the 2.3 promised) because of their similarities, in fact the gpu accelerations for 2D, rumored for the 2.4, can only help our P500 performance.
i hope this, and you?
Ps: i tink that a P500 at 150$ with 2.4 in the very next month can bring android for many doubtful people..
I'm not really keeping my hopes up. I bet the last official update we'll receive is Gingerbread. Most companies focus on their flagship phones, and despite the O1's popularity, I don't think it'll receive much.
Also, IMHO, Google is going too fast. Manufacturers are having a hard time catching up and stuff.
But if you ask me, I'm contented with Froyo. Unless, of course, there's a really badass killer feature available only to future releases.
And I think this should be in the General category
kpbotbot- It's more like manufacturers use the differente Android os'es for marketing uses . Look at samsung , they're waiting to release the native 2.3 devices and bearly then will they release gingerbread for their current flagship : Galaxy S . It's a dirty world .
Yeah. Here's a super thank-able screenshot I took weeks ago
LG and Samsung seem like very different companies. The Optimus line is a very good buy for most carriers. It will convert a lot of users to the Android world like me. LG seems to catter to their users too.
The manufacturers should understand Android devices should follow Googles releases. It seems like most manufacturers just barely make the software and communities like xda do the actual bug fixing and create a more robust system with the custom kernel & ROM releases.
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why would companies spend money and time in the software when
communities like xda do the actual bug fixing and create a more robust system with the custom kernel & ROM releases.
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@orlox - Imagine buying a phone that doesn't come with an operating system.
I prefer if companies release only the lifeless phone, and xda would give life to it.
So androids will be much cheaper
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I prefer if companies release only the lifeless phone, and xda would give life to it.
So androids will be much cheaper
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I like the idea!
Post delivered via piece of paper tied to a brick... sorry 'bout the window! XD
The reason I chose this phone is because, for me, it's a small portable computer. If only every bit of hardware of this phone had a corresponding device driver (that we can get hold of), I think there's nothing stopping us from using a full Linux desktop, or other operating systems capable of running on the ARM architecture.
Not so relevant note: Some say the bootloader is locked. True?
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The reason I chose this phone is because, for me, it's a small portable computer.
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So true!
I am very satisfied with my first Android experience, in spite of all the bugs and hardware limitations of this cheap phone. Almost anything I needed but couldn't do before on my "dumb" phone became possible with this micro computer. So I don't really care if it's running Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Ice Cream or Milk & Toast & Honey.
You would care if it was running Cupcake.
P.S There really is a possibility for us to get 2.4 on our phones. It is still called Gingerbread but it will support Honeycomb apps.
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there are some questions to answer, why people buy a smartphone in general. We must see the differences between users who "use" the mobile as a daily instrument, users who use the mobile to play 3D games, users who read in the internet and communicate with it and users who are tweaking/hacking (not so sad as i write here). Most of users are using their device for communication, and so the manufacturers can say "why we should develop so fast as google? Our users doesn't need the new features like NFC or other". When communities like XDA, Cyanogen,CodeAurora,androidcentral or others develop their ROMs to their needs, they should do that - they are users who "want" the features. So, manufacturers can invest more time and money in new devices for more experience and for advanced users (like technical freaks). We (users who are lucky for while) can buy the "new" device at a later time, so we can save some money. Nothing other does LG,Samsung or HTC - they are developing for the feature. The money and time to invest in updates or bugfixes are too much for the most - this could be one reason for hold back updates or dont develop. As a developer i can say, the time to spend for Gingerbread development is not small - i have needed 3 monthes to develop a rom, that have just some bugs, and i've do that for fun. for a manufacturer this is not fun
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Yeah. Here's a super thank-able screenshot I took weeks ago
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This makes perfect sense from the carrier's perspective. If people had to pay to upgrade to the next version the carriers might have more incentive; as it is now they aren't seeing any more money so why bother investing time on something that could blow up in their face.
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there are some questions to answer, why people buy a smartphone in general. We must see the differences between users who "use" the mobile as a daily instrument, users who use the mobile to play 3D games, users who read in the internet and communicate with it and users who are tweaking/hacking (not so sad as i write here). Most of users are using their device for communication, and so the manufacturers can say "why we should develop so fast as google? Our users doesn't need the new features like NFC or other". When communities like XDA, Cyanogen,CodeAurora,androidcentral or others develop their ROMs to their needs, they should do that - they are users who "want" the features. So, manufacturers can invest more time and money in new devices for more experience and for advanced users (like technical freaks). We (users who are lucky for while) can buy the "new" device at a later time, so we can save some money. Nothing other does LG,Samsung or HTC - they are developing for the feature. The money and time to invest in updates or bugfixes are too much for the most - this could be one reason for hold back updates or dont develop. As a developer i can say, the time to spend for Gingerbread development is not small - i have needed 3 monthes to develop a rom, that have just some bugs, and i've do that for fun. for a manufacturer this is not fun
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Yeah , bro , but you're one man fighting against the tides . It's bound that LG has at least a reminder of 5 man cell team working on getting gingerbread out . And besides they have other ways of getting info and ironing out bugs faster then you can .
Sad that they didn't place on the internet a god damn ETA by now .... thus I guess may or june might a realistic launch date
Oh and to be on-topic with the thread , I guess we'll see 2.4 by CM7 if any of the legendary devs still take interest in this phone ofc
+1 i second that...plus i heard that not all the code used is even OPEN..I mean mik somewhere mentioned that some libraries had no corresponding code in the source code archive....thats gotta stink plus porting of android is different than developiing Linux Distro..I mean no mailing lists and not such a big community of "porters"....but tahts just my take..
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+1 i second that...plus i heard that not all the code used is even OPEN..I mean mik somewhere mentioned that some libraries had no corresponding code in the source code archive....thats gotta stink plus porting of android is different than developiing Linux Distro..I mean no mailing lists and not such a big community of "porters"....but tahts just my take..
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you're right:
many libraries are closed source, it's like a driver from nvidia for Linux X.org.
The only way to port it to a new android version is to test if it works - if not, we have a problem. manufacturer does not support communities, so we have to build many workarounds or rewrite the code so that it works. i would wish, the manufacturers opens their drivers and codecs for playing audio and video - so we can develop faster, more stable and uncomplicated:/
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i've readed the last days that gingerbread 2.4 is the internal 2.3.3 - let's check, if apps for honeycomb work on this version: in 2.4 there should be compatibility for the honeycomb apps^^
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you're right:
many libraries are closed source, it's like a driver from nvidia for Linux X.org.
The only way to port it to a new android version is to test if it works - if not, we have a problem. manufacturer does not support communities, so we have to build many workarounds or rewrite the code so that it works. i would wish, the manufacturers opens their drivers and codecs for playing audio and video - so we can develop faster, more stable and uncomplicated:/
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i've readed the last days that gingerbread 2.4 is the internal 2.3.3 - let's check, if apps for honeycomb work on this version: in 2.4 there should be compatibility for the honeycomb apps^^
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if everything's open then it is unlikely they make money. Then they close down and there won't be any phone.
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@yanuk... seems to be like u have not used linux before...Let me tell you how it works...Theres tons of companies (apart from thousands of enthusiasts) that write OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS for their hardware and submit it to the LINUX KERNEL maintainers(Linus torvalds included) example INTEL..If i m buying an ANDROID phone, i only want to pay for the hardware and not software..All drivers developed by the manufacturer shud be open source ..BUt instead its more like an abuse of the OPEN SOURCE community ..HOw CAn devs go ahead and hack the crap out of their phones, when they have trouble even porting newer OSes because of "some f****** proprietary driver" ...Screw the manufacturers ..I wish OPENMOKO had taken off when it had the chance..OPENMOKO = OPEN SOURCE OS +OPEN SOURCE HARDWARE with all datasheets, spec, circuit diagrams available..RUn whatever u possible can run on an it !!! My dream of having a completely Open (gtk runnin) geek device is still very distant..
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@yanuk... seems to be like u have not used linux before...Let me tell you how it works...Theres tons of companies (apart from thousands of enthusiasts) that write OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS for their hardware and submit it to the LINUX KERNEL maintainers(Linus torvalds included) example INTEL..If i m buying an ANDROID phone, i only want to pay for the hardware and not software..All drivers developed by the manufacturer shud be open source ..BUt instead its more like an abuse of the OPEN SOURCE community ..HOw CAn devs go ahead and hack the crap out of their phones, when they have trouble even porting newer OSes because of "some f****** proprietary driver" ...Screw the manufacturers ..I wish OPENMOKO had taken off when it had the chance..OPENMOKO = OPEN SOURCE OS +OPEN SOURCE HARDWARE with all datasheets, spec, circuit diagrams available..RUn whatever u possible can run on an it !!! My dream of having a completely Open (gtk runnin) geek device is still very distant..
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Seems like you have not worked in and managed any technology firms before.
I'm sincerely hoping your dream come true where you will own a successful openmoko company develop cutting edge technology with over 100 staff and offer your sw and hw for free with no claims to patent rights. All the best!
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Viewpad 7 Gingerbread (Vanilla AOSP)
I'm currently working on a Vanilla AOSP Gingerbread firmware for the Viewsonic Viewpad 7 (and equivalent devices), and hope to release an alpha for testing soon. The purpose is to have a slim and fast firmware as close to the AOSP code as possible.
Highlights:
- Making the maximum possible internal storage available.
- Bottom line performance enhancements.
- Multiple language support.
Notes:
- Gingerbread v 2.3.4
- Firmware should work with compatible devices such as: Cherry Mobile Superion, Commtiva Linx N700, Olivepad VT-100, Spice MI700, and Camangi FM600....but I do not have these devices, so I cannot verify. As always make a backup before installing any custom firmwares.
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Looking forward to it!
Well to be honest gingerbread runs terrible on this device at the moment, and I have several force close conditions to deal with in addition to getting all the main features working properly. I am using my original Moto Droid that I have a vanilla GB loaded on (1Ghz) as a performance comparison since the hardware is fairly close in regards to benchmarks.
I'm going to keep pushing towards a relatively stable beta release for people to test, but I think this will end up being a long term project since I only get a little time on weekends to work on it. I'm not certain whether this device will be capable of running Honeycomb in the future, so this is our best bet for now. I'm not planning on upgrading to a new tablet anytime soon, so I can assure you I want GB working as much as the next guy.
good job! ^^
can give me kernel source too?^^
hi lakehousetech, how's the progress ??
would love to hear good news and start using gingerbread.
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hi lakehousetech, how's the progress ??
would love to hear good news and start using gingerbread.
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I'm not certain whether this device will be capable of running Honeycomb in the future, so this is our best bet for now. I'm not planning on upgrading to a new tablet anytime soon, so I can assure you I want GB working as much as the next guy.
Wow, Gingerbread ROM is coming... Looking forward to it. BTW, good job getting ROMs on the device.
I am very glad that you did not quit work on porting gingerbread. Good luck. We are waiting for your beta.
Any updates yet? I'm willing to help test it, too.
Nice work man! My device is ready for testing!
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Nice work man! My device is ready for testing!
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but the ROM 2.3 not ready...
any updates?
Keen
Looking forward to it... Just subscribed to the thread so I can hear how it goes.
viewpad 7 upgrade
so...... is the new firmware coming?
just to check
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/12/viewsonic-7x-shrinks-honeycomb-to-7-inches-for-the-tiny-handed/
ViewSonic 7x shrinks Honeycomb to 7 inches for the tiny handed news UP with engadget
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Well to be honest gingerbread runs terrible on this device at the moment, and I have several force close conditions to deal with in addition to getting all the main features working properly. I am using my original Moto Droid that I have a vanilla GB loaded on (1Ghz) as a performance comparison since the hardware is fairly close in regards to benchmarks.
I'm going to keep pushing towards a relatively stable beta release for people to test, but I think this will end up being a long term project since I only get a little time on weekends to work on it. I'm not certain whether this device will be capable of running Honeycomb in the future, so this is our best bet for now. I'm not planning on upgrading to a new tablet anytime soon, so I can assure you I want GB working as much as the next guy.
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Hey lakehousetech,
Is there any things we can help in the technical side? As I'm the owner of the Viewpad7 and really wanted to eat the gingerbread with the viewpad7
mp9_sit said:
Hey lakehousetech,
Is there any things we can help in the technical side? As I'm the owner of the Viewpad7 and really wanted to eat the gingerbread with the viewpad7
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I'm hoping to release the update.zip next week (before memorial day weekend). It would be a huge help if some folks would install it temporarily and give me some feedback. Unfortunately for this release you'll most likely have to do a complete wipe before installing. I'm going to test on my Viewpad first, and will confirm before release. Thanks for being so patient.
Very willing to do any tests!
Send me the link, and I will flash away!
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I'm hoping to release the update.zip next week (before memorial day weekend). It would be a huge help if some folks would install it temporarily and give me some feedback. Unfortunately for this release you'll most likely have to do a complete wipe before installing. I'm going to test on my Viewpad first, and will confirm before release. Thanks for being so patient.
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Ready for trying it also....
are we ever going to have wp7 on our tg01 ? just because we dont have the 3 buttons and the capacitive screen on our tg01 does that mean we cant have wp7? i mean we still have a powerful 1ghz snapdragon cpu and a decent ram. surely there is a way around this little problem.
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are we ever going to have wp7 on our tg01 ? just because we dont have the 3 buttons and the capacitive screen on our tg01 does that mean we cant have wp7? i mean we still have a powerful 1ghz snapdragon cpu and a decent ram. surely there is a way around this little problem.
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No. Anyway nokser who 'apparently' got wp7 working has sold his tg01 and moved on like Others. Still is a great device and served me well. I use it as a handy backup now for data.
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No. Anyway nokser who 'apparently' got wp7 working has sold his tg01 and moved on like Others. Still is a great device and served me well. I use it as a handy backup now for data.
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yes, i want sold my tg01, because i want buy Riff box J-tag - for porting WP7 etc...
I have still tg01
Toshiba Regza T-01C/ tg03 sd rom
h ttp://spf.fmworld.net/update/nttdocomo/t-01c/update1
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Toshiba Regza T-01C/ tg03 sd rom
h ttp://spf.fmworld.net/update/nttdocomo/t-01c/update1
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This is a Android
Nokser said:
This is a Android
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Maybe help to Android！
need help？ the rom deskey？？
cedesmith tgtool ？？
qinwengui said:
Maybe help to Android！
need help？ the rom deskey？？
cedesmith tgtool ？？
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what you mean???
yeah ither android or wp7 is good really i have noticed android developement has slowed down tho or maybe even stopped i dont know but if thats true why leave something half finnished? haave the developers for android just quit?
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yeah ither android or wp7 is good really i have noticed android developement has slowed down tho or maybe even stopped i dont know but if thats true why leave something half finnished? haave the developers for android just quit?
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android development stopped way back in november-december. i doubt it would ever continue progress. nowadays, the hd2 devs have moved on, so i doubt you would see them coming back to develop for older devices.
Cotulla is the best dev around, who wasthe main hd2 porter for wp7 and android. and he also ported android for the hd mini.
anyway, even if android is finished, there will still be many problems, like poor battery life due to the kernel not built for the specific device etc. the hd2 even with amdroid/wp7 isnt perfect. it sucks up battery twice as fast as wm. so imagine that on tg01's....
does our sga is capeble of getting the android 4.0 ice cream sadwich update or we have to be happy with gingerbred only???????????
Just wait for cm8.
We'd be the last family of devices to get ICS TBH if ever
I believe it has the chance of getting ICS but definetly not from Samsung. SGA has a very large amount of users and skillful developers who could make it happen.
We may have to be patient though.. Even Nexus S, which has the official support from Google, hasn't even recieved the upgrade yet. CMIIW.
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I believe it has the chance of getting ICS but definetly not from Samsung. SGA has a very large amount of users and skillful developers who could make it happen.
We may have to be patient though.. Even Nexus S, which has the official support from Google, hasn't even recieved the upgrade yet. CMIIW.
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They won't be pushing ICS to Nexus S when Prime hasn't even been out and ICS unveiled in Hong Kong on Wednesday.
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They won't be pushing ICS to Nexus S when Prime hasn't even been out and ICS unveiled in Hong Kong on Wednesday.
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Yeah.. Lame old marketing tactics lol.
By the way, I've seen some leaked videos of Prime and S running ICS and from there I could understand that even S wont have the exact same version of ICS the Prime will have... Well at least for the GUI.
Have a look at this.
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We'd be the last family of devices to get ICS TBH if ever
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couldnt agree more
If I had to choose I'd rather have a completely stable and optimized Gingerbread instead of an ICS. Stable meaning every feature working the way it should, like my wifi actually reconnecting after sleep.
The main advantages on ICS are:
1) dual core support and hardware accelerating
2) New UI.
Because neither of those are relevant to Galaxy Ace, I'm fine with Gingerbread.
But XDA developers are really fast and they will port ICS even if Samsung wouldn't.
but i have heard taht the update will be for 1 yr old devices i think galaxy ace is 1 yr old only...so we can get
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but i have heard taht the update will be for 1 yr old devices i think galaxy ace is 1 yr old only...so we can get
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Yeah maybe for some high-end devices that is..
And really, I wouldnt expect much from Samsung in the term of firmware updates.
Maybe we could just put our hope on a new ICS-based CM instead
google announced that it will be available for the first 18 months for existing phones...
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im hoping it would come to our devices.
Yup there's a new agreement for companies to provide software updates till the 1 year or so is up. We're probably getting it but of course they will prioritize.
New version of OS is one of marketing tricks to lure people into buying new phones, I'm quite sure that we won't see ICS stock from Samsung, but nevermind, we have great developers, so just wait for CM 8 an' see
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New version of OS is one of marketing tricks to lure people into buying new phones, I'm quite sure that we won't see ICS stock from Samsung, but nevermind, we have great developers, so just wait for CM 8 an' see
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It'd really be pointless though. ICS is a much more optimised version of HC which should bring full SMP support through software, something that has gone begging for quite a while to take advantage of phones like the S2. Maybe they are adding GPU rendering as well. Another useless perk for the Ace as the GPU is ****.
Also, why bother porting ICS to ARMv6? It's a complete waste of resources when it's almost likely to provide little to no benefit.
My opinion at least. Don't get your hopes up for ICS/ICS-based CM8.
I know (SGA even don't have flash) but at least they'll take some interface tweaks and eyecandies
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I know (SGA even don't have flash) but at least they'll take some interface tweaks and eyecandies
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Best we may see is a theme.
And what about some battery improvements in ICS? Maybe the phone won 't go faster but battery life could be higher. Or am i wrong?
Don't sound so negative guys, IV seen some old android phones running a ported gingerbread so anything is possible, never underestimate what the power of coding and patience can do
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Hello,
I have a Toshiba Folio 100,
Which looks like new, no scratches or anything..
It's the 16Gb version.
How much do you think I can sell it for?
Wait until the new ice cream sandwich source code will be released.
Maybe, this time that the source code will be really open, someone will port it to the folio too. Honeycomb was a closed source release and in this way was impossible to port to other devices than new devices because only oems have had access to it.
A folio with android 4, will be a great product and also his value will raise.
Mhh good !
So how much?
Around 300$?