Hello all,
what a wonderful forum this is.. i feel like a noob here.. so much knowledge to grasp..
well.. i bought a Optimus 1 and installed advanced task killer.. question is whne i kill application not required and exit advanced task killer.. after 2 3 min again some of these applications start.. music.. gmail.. gtalk.. browser etc..
if i want to kill them for good so that they start ONLY when invoked what can i do??.. will task manager v 3.1 help here??
i knw on a comp this can be done by using msconfig..
how to do this on optimus one..
kindly help please..
Install Titanium Backup and then use the "freeze" function to stop the app from starting.
But dont kill all apps. Its ok to kill/freeze apps like Gtalk if you dont use em often but i suggest you leave browser, music etc running.
They run in the background and dont consume the battery or the cpu. The android system is very efficient in managing apps.
hey kewlsid.. thnks fopr the reply.. i ll install this app..
i didnt knw android manages the apps on its own as stated..
is there a way to figure out which currently active app is taking how much of cpu and memory??
Didn't Android have the feature to stop apps as and when memory goes low? Its a 'feature', apparently.
Also, apps like those are going to start anyway. If you have 150 to 200MB+ memory on LG Optimus One (All apps installed), consider yourself lucky.
You can also have TasKiller which is a bit crappy, but helps you know what app is starting on its own. You can use one of the many system monitors to notify you about the apps that are using much memory (Apps like GMail and GTalk won't consume that much memory, hence not a PITA)
You can remove the stock apps (crappy apps that start up on their own and refuse to go away and you never use) if you root your phone. I guess no one would use GTalk that much?
Leave them alone. Sure, they're using some RAM, but more or less they're not using the CPU, so the battery shouldn't be draining.
Killing + them starting again = more battery wastage.
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Leave them alone. Sure, they're using some RAM, but more or less they're not using the CPU, so the battery shouldn't be draining.
Killing + them starting again = more battery wastage.
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I installed a task killer and noticed that when killing certain apps, the phone just lags real bad. I discontinued use of it and now the phone has no serious pausing. I was killing unknown apps with Android box icons.
heygrl said:
I installed a task killer and noticed that when killing certain apps, the phone just lags real bad. I discontinued use of it and now the phone has no serious pausing. I was killing unknown apps with Android box icons.
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yeah I uninstalled it as well. I heard Android does great job of managing ram and as soon as it gets low, it will start killing other apps automatically.
you need to learn what apps need to stay running, but some apps are just fluff and worthless... you may need to set up you task killer to ignore certain apps like handcent and clock... killing any android processes is usually a bad idea.. I just kill my 3rd party apps that open for no reason or use it to close apps when I am done using my phone for a while...
You should not need a task killer with this phone. Android has been managing its own memory and background services quite nicely for a while now.
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You should not need a task killer with this phone. Android has been managing its own memory and background services quite nicely for a while now.
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Thats what i was told but when i uninstalled the task killer my phone lagged with everything i did. Even when closing programs properly it still lagged. Im keeping my task killer.
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Thats what i was told but when i uninstalled the task killer my phone lagged with everything i did. Even when closing programs properly it still lagged. Im keeping my task killer.
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yeah maybe its not as good as most people say it is at controlling its own memory usage.
Task Killers = meh,
Android has a way of doing things and that means keeping apps open for some time, I tried using app-killers and it did not seem to make my phones run better, and auto kill everything is even worse...
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I installed a task killer and noticed that when killing certain apps, the phone just lags real bad. I discontinued use of it and now the phone has no serious pausing. I was killing unknown apps with Android box icons.
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idk if youre rooted or not, or if this app works on the vibrant cuz it does an amazing job on the g1, but you could try autokiller, tho it requires root. what it does is change the android memory management settings and will kill apps more frequently depending on the settings you choose.
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idk if youre rooted or not, or if this app works on the vibrant cuz it does an amazing job on the g1, but you could try autokiller, tho it requires root. what it does is change the android memory management settings and will kill apps more frequently depending on the settings you choose.
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I still need to use it for those unruly apps but I got so used to it because my old phone would lag with Slacker even in the background and I had to kill it. I've stopped using it and I've stopped having major problems. Just an FYI for those out there that still use one, it's not needed here on a regular basis really.
I noticed that I can't use the "kill all" function in Advanced Task Manager by Arron La any more without making my phone freeze up. My brother suggestion Task Manager by Rhythm Software (he has a MyTouch Slide). This program doesn't give me any problems when killing files and also doesn't list system files (that I've noticed).
The people who are having problems with task killer are the ones that are not setting it up correctly or don't have enough apps installed for it to make any difference.
If you don't setup the ignore list correctly your phone will freak out or make your existing problem worse.
Android 2.2 is a different story though, Froyo is faster without a taskiller
Buddy here's what .....
Download AutoKiller from the market , then go to the dev's webpage ,there he has a lot of information about android and memory management .... then you can make an informed decision .... the lag issue you continue to have .,.,..., you might have to do a hard reset to clear the system of that poorly coded task/app killer ....
Here's some more information http://androidforums.com/samsung-vibrant/124542-constant-apps-restarting-themselves.html
I hope that here on xda we can help people to understand Android and memory management , so they are not fooled by these task/app killers that work against the system ......
heygrl said:
I still need to use it for those unruly apps but I got so used to it because my old phone would lag with Slacker even in the background and I had to kill it. I've stopped using it and I've stopped having major problems. Just an FYI for those out there that still use one, it's not needed here on a regular basis really.
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I used to have the original my touch 3g, lag central, even on custom roms. Task killer was handy, so I got in the Babbitt if killing tasks. I then got me a nexus, and it seemed to have not needed one, but I still used it out of the Babbitt and being paranoid of my plbattery being wasted with apps on the background and lag lol. Well, I'm now done with them, seriously, no need for task killers. I think on this phone it does more damage then good, most apps need to be running on the background, killing them just lags your phone. Like you'd lose signal, or it would run time and date update again, etc.
Task killers may not be necessary for memory management, but it will help save on battery by killing 3rd party apps that stay running in the background. I use Advanced Task Manager myself, and never get any lag when I run it. The main thing you need to "exclude" if you havnt already, is the TWLauncher(or whatever launcher you're running).
I have kinda nooby question... i am using a phone with stock gingerbread and i am using an advanced task killer. I know a lot of people say that I shouldn't do it, but it just makes my phone a lot faster and smoother. As a noob, i have one question: is task killer really harmful to my phone and is it better for me to not use it? If you say yes, please provide me some specific reason why. Thank you ask much guys!
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its not that bad... but u should not kill background services!
keep settings on safe... don't use aggressive mode
applications u know u use often for example- browser or music player... u can add to excluded section... currently im using ZDBox and it works perfect... it also has additional features that you will need... hope this helps
I only use the ATK to kill an app that's not responding well.
For example, when I was using CM7, sometimes my Google Reader app would hang and display a loading symbol for a long time instead of displaying my articles, and the arrow that shows transmission over the network wasn't displaying so I knew it wasn't waiting on data, I would use ATK to kill ONLY Google Reader. Then I could go back into the app and it would load very quickly.
But since I switched to an ICS ROM, I haven't had that same issue and haven't had a need for ATK.
Also, do note that it does take processing power, and therefore battery power, when your phone decides to restart any of those apps you are killing, and it will restart apps.
For a great explanatory article, see here:
http://androidandme.com/2011/11/app...lers-still-dont-give-you-better-battery-life/
and also the links in the phrase "(see here, and here, and here)".
So in short, they are not exactly "harmful" but they don't provide any real benefit if you "kill everything, every time."
It is a common myth that more RAM = better performance, and this is a result of the market being dominated by Microsoft for so long. Android does not equal a desktop OS. Free RAM literally does nothing. In fact, it is wasteful to have bunch of free RAM. Android manages RAM very effectively and aggressively works to ensure that you have sufficient resources to do whatever it is you want to do. If you notice an increase in performance with a task killer, it is because you have a misbehaving app. Watchdog is the only task manager I would recommend, all it does is watch for apps that are using an abnormal amount of resources and alerts you. Part of the Android experience is the emulated multi-tasking, or having several apps saved to memory simultaneously to facilitate ease of switching between them. An app in the background will not affect the performance of your device, it is not using any resources. Aside from that, if you end a task, it will usually just start right up again, using more resources, because that is how Android is designed to work.
So, I would say finding the misbehaving app is a much better option than a task killer. They were important in eclair, maybe even FroYo. But anything above that they are unnecessary.
i dont really believe in android"s app managmentbut task killers make it only worst IMHO
I have to agree with member devator22.
Android is not Windows. Android is basically Linux and Linux is using a different memory management than Windows does. (Although Windows has got a lot of improvements during the last years)
RAM which isn't used, is wasted! That's a fact.
So, if you run a specific application, some of its data my be cached. Linux is reporting this as "buffered" (you can see the amount by running the 'top' command)
There might be a more or less big chance to hit this cache. If so, the data is loaded much faster ( definetly > 10 ) than if it had to be requested from the file system.
By killing your application by a task manger you are releasing this buffered resources (actually you are forcing the OS to release it). In the worst case you are wasting your advantage of loading already cached data from the RAM. In the best case you are gaining nothing because your device has to load it from the file system anyway.
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Get watchdog!
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Thank you so much for these replies! I really appreciate it! I decided to keep my task killer but not use it aggressively. I probably will use it to end apps that i really find it pointless. And also to the people who said android dies it's own task managing, you're right but wrong at the same time. When i didn't use my task killer, android did killed some apps in in order to launch more apps, but it left only like 10mb of 300mb, which i found little odd and also it mainly killed launchers which was very annoying.
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Task killer will speed up your phone if you know what you're doing. Only kill tasks that you are familiar with...e.g. apps that you know you have launched and won't be using anymore. Those apps running in the background can slow down your device.
If I'm on ICS, its better to use the bult-in task killer, or download one from the market?
Guys, he's not saying he does it for the memory. He says the phone's smoother. I don't know whether this is true, but if there are background tasks performing operations that he doesn't want them to do, it's *absolutely appropriate* to kill them.
The flip side of that is that the applications will eventually be automatically started again, and that startup takes extra CPU time. As long as the process startup and process killing happens when the screen is off, I would think this could improve the responsiveness.
But I think on most people's phones, the background processes really don't use a lot of CPU...
I know by default even Gbs memory management isn't the best. The app priorities are a bit weird aand the launcher gets killed to easily. Running the v6 supercharger scripts and making the launcher hard to kill and fixing the priorities and changing the oom settings makes any from wicked fast
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Instead of killing an app over and over again install something like Gemini App Manager and disable the app's autostart permissions. For example, dropbox and dropbox sync are set to automatically start at boot or when there's a connectivity change. I understand why they're set to do that but for my purposes I only needed them to start when I actually used them.
Having said that, I no longer use Gemini and have never used an automatic task killer. I think android (ICS) does a good enough job managing it's memory that I don't need to be anal about micromanaging it myself. I think it also helps that I'm not an appaholic. I'm very picky about what I install and will only keep an app installed if I regularly use it.
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If I'm on ICS, its better to use the bult-in task killer, or download one from the market?
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Built-In is much better
im on ics on my captivate and it runs beyond smooth
like stated before having free RAM with not do anything
android has a good way of muti tasking
Guys kindly share ur experience here.what is the best task manager fir better RAM optimization in your view?
I do not recommend using any task killer for any android phone. Here *read and learn*, but if you really want to use one then just monitor the app that is unnecessarily eating your cpu using watchdog and manually kill it otherwise 'task killers' will take up your phone's resources.
Android is totally different compared to windows... Android don't ever need task killer! Just leave it to be, it'll auto optimize...
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task killers like people said are not recommended.
but that doesnt mean that you cant use it, you still can use it daily actually.
my favorite and the best task killers out there in the market are Advanced Task Killers
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sImNvbS5yZWNoaWxkLmFkdmFuY2VkdGFza2tpbGxlciJd
+1 to what above users said.Killing an app will only make it load again which consumes battery.
Killing tasks in Android is generally not recommended but if you really want a task killer, Advanced Task Killer does the job well.
Thanx alot all u bro.i m using memory booster.i works like a charm for me...
I use Quick System Info and Advanced Task Manager but the apps will automatically restart after being killed and this procedure even cost more CPU usage. I also use the built-in "Running services" setting but it's not so effective either, sometimes forcing an app to stop won't free more memory.
Apps in android work like this. Say you are running Google Maps.
-Android: Ok he's using maps, lets use some of the ram.
-Android: Oh he stopped using maps, ill just empty the app from the RAM but ill keep some information here in case he wants to run it again, plus maps still needs to do something so ill keep some info for it.
Now if you put a task manager to kill the remaining information (which is close to 0 in size) you add this.
-Android: Hey where did the info for google maps go? Oh darn i guess ill have to load the app again from scratch and use additional ram.
So all in all it ends up being counterproductive. Task killers worked on 2.2 and earlier versions. On 2.3 its almost automatic.
If you're looking for better ram managment, i suggest you try the V6 Supercharger Scripts.
I agree with the post above.
Using task manager actual result is slower and higher battery usage.
I use V6 Supercharger also, it changes the minfree amount, that is how much RAM has to be available minimal always.
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Yeah... I totaly agree with dumraden... Android is very good at managing RAM on ots own...
If u kill an app, it will only cause unnecesary load on the CPU...
Btw very good explaination man...
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Ok i have advanced task killer and i have set it on kill apps when screen of and auto kill to crazy and security level high. but every time i click on it there's loads off apps there i kill then then they just come right back.. any ideas how to get ride of them altogether (with out uninstall )
The android system is set to work even wothout app killers...the apps that came back must be meant to be running in background,else that app may not work...and you will not save battery but waste battery instead cause the apps will consume power to restart...
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Some apps
Some apps cannot be killed or will reopen immediately
Not all of the apps/services need to be there. You could root your device and room the unwanted apps/services.
if u dont know what r u doing dont do anything or u mess up your phone some apps is system apps
or post the names of apps that u think that u need and ask others can u remove it or block it
Do a search about task killers for Android, you'll find that they do more harm than good. They've been useless since 2.2, and unless you're on 2.1 or lower you are just wasting time and resources by using one.
Uninstall it, you won't notice a drop in battery life. If your phone seems to slow down, you either have too many apps or a phone with very little ram... or both. Uninstall unnecessary apps instead, you can always reinstall them later if needed.
As android needs more memory, it automatically kills the least necessary apps first. So do your phone a favor and let Android do its job.
Hy, I have an xperia s 0.73 firmware.
I dont know why, i have everytime opened new aplications in the task killer, and in settings (runing services), i close them, but in a few seconds ar opened again! Like musik player, email, office suite, liveware manager, etc .....
What can i do?
I use advanced task killer, but i think thats not ok to open aplications itselfs.
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Theres a lot of programs built into the Sony that you cannot remove without gaining root access.
You can go to settings/applications/manage applications and the you can remove some of the programs but not all.
yes i know there are o lot of aplications, i dont want to remowe them, just to to someting, to the phone, to not open the aplications itself!!
Liveware will always work cuz its required for hadsets, speakers etc
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Are you new to Android? I had this same confusion when I first moved to Android.. Because it runs on a Linux basis it works differently..
2 things to consider.
1, Android will hold programmes in memory but in a suspended state, not using any resources until they are called for from the kernel.
2, with Linux based OS empty memory is wasted memory. (refer to point 1 above!)
Don't try to kill things that the phone need to have running in the background it will waste resources and battery!
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ies i'm new.
i used ios from three years ios
So i recommand to remove tjhe task killer?
If your device is rooted, you may try install apps like autostarts
Task killers are ok.. But you only need to use it to kill apps which are causing problems (usually just apps which you have installed rather than any preinstalled or system apps)
And generally a bad idea to use any auto kill apps.. Avoid that!
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You just have to live with that unless you are willing to root your phone then use titanium backup to freeze the app. My xps is less than a month old so I just let them be for now because I dont want to root it just yet. There is plenty of ram and does not affect the speed of the phone.
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Task killers are ok.. But you only need to use it to kill apps which are causing problems (usually just apps which you have installed rather than any preinstalled or system apps)
And generally a bad idea to use any auto kill apps.. Avoid that!
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+1 to that. I only use a task killer to get problem apps out of memory sometimes. As a rule android is very good at managing memory.
These things will always start and it usually means the apps stay up quicker.
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+1 to that. I only use a task killer to get problem apps out of memory sometimes. As a rule android is very good at managing memory.
These things will always start and it usually means the apps stay up quicker.
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In addition to that, it doesn't take more or less battery power if the memory is full or empty.
Killing apps and starting them however does take battery power.
OK, THANKS!
I understand.
I thinking about, that open apps are influencing the battery life. But now its clear!
So no auto task killer.
Thanks again!