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Are we sure there is no micro SD card slot on the tab 10? Has anyone taken apart the unit? There is a micro SD slot on the 3G version, maybe samsung has left the actual slot on the system board but just covered up the opening on the plastic shell? This happens all the time in manufacturing devices, often Mfrs want to remove a feature and dont want to re-tool or reprogram a Mfr process so they do things like leaving the option in and just covering it up.....Ive seen this happen all the time.
The fact that the tab 10 was SUPPOSED to come with a micro SD card slot and at the last minute having it left out leads me to GREATLY believe that the actual slot is on the system board just covered up by the plastic shell.
The slot is supposed to be just to the right of the volume buttons.
I cant take my unit apart until I get the stupid 3-prong security bits to unscrew the screws near the usb connector.
Mh interesting, my rotary tool is ready
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There is a micro SD slot on the 3G version,
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I didn't think there was??
There's a greater chance of finding a tiny leprechaun who changes the orientation of the Tab when it turns, than of finding an documented secret SD slot.
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There's a greater chance of finding a tiny leprechaun who changes the orientation of the Tab when it turns, than of finding an documented secret SD slot.
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You obviously have no idea that all samsung pre-production models of the tab 10 (im not talking about the 10v model) had a micro sd card slot. There are plenty of pictures online. The sd card slot is there. Or at least there will be traces on the board. IMO the actual slot is soldered on the board as it was last min choice to have the option removed.
It'd be interesting to know if there is one or not......
I haven't taken mine apart yet, and have no interest in doing it. Never the less, I would also be interested in knowing what we have going on back there. I searched for a teardown by iSuppli or similar, but did not find anything. Too bad.
I'm aware that some pre-production models had the hardware. You're making a giant leap to suggest that the hardware exists in production models when all evidence points to the contrary.
But by all means, feel free to prove me wrong. I anxiously await your pics.
It's more than possible. Look at WP7 phones.
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I'm aware that some pre-production models had the hardware. You're making a giant leap to suggest that the hardware exists in production models when all evidence points to the contrary.
But by all means, feel free to prove me wrong. I anxiously await your pics.
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What evidence points to the contrary??? Samsung officially will tell you there is no micro SD card slot but that does not count since its their default answer if it is or isnt inside. The fact that there is no actual cut out in the plastic shell also does not count as that is its default position regardless if the slot hardware is there or not.
Again where is this evidence to the contrary?
Does anyone have access to an Xray machine that can scan their unit so we can see?
5thElement said:
Does anyone have access to an Xray machine that can scan their unit so we can see?
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I'm friends with Superman.
5thElement said:
... maybe samsung has left the actual slot on the system board but just covered up the opening on the plastic shell? This happens all the time in manufacturing devices, often Mfrs want to remove a feature and dont want to re-tool or reprogram a Mfr process so they do things like leaving the option in and just covering it up.....Ive seen this happen all the time.
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It seems just as likely, if not more, that the pre production unit had a slot in the case, but no functioning SD hardware behind it. Even if the hardware is there, getting it to work w/o Samsung's support could be difficult. Look how hard it's been for the zoom, while Motorola intended for it to work
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Does anyone have access to an Xray machine that can scan their unit so we can see?
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I'll have it xrayed on monday. I'll give you the pictures so you can analyze them.
But doubt you'll se anything useful.
(Got xray machines at work)
maybe I'm missing something here, but what is the advantage to samsung when they actually have a microSD slot onboard 10.1 after the redesign and not to use it? I find their story believable that they had to cut it out due to size(thickness) issues. If they could squeeze in the micro SD they would not hesitate to advertise it as another advantage over the ipad2.
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maybe I'm missing something here, but what is the advantage to samsung when they actually have a microSD slot onboard 10.1 after the redesign and not to use it? I find their story believable that they had to cut it out due to size(thickness) issues. If they could squeeze in the micro SD they would not hesitate to advertise it as another advantage over the ipad2.
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Advantage would be the ability to market the next product as "New and improved with expandable memory."
My professional opinion in concern to prototyping and designing, its much easier to modify and replace a plastic/aluminum enclosure than modifying a stockpile of motherboards
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I'll have it xrayed on monday. I'll give you the pictures so you can analyze them.
But doubt you'll se anything useful.
(Got xray machines at work)
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Fantastic. Cant wait.
seems we have a winning entry to answer all questions on this topic and put it to rest, no x-ray needed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15276646&postcount=13
I have taken the liberty of messaging the user for his input on this threads subject and have requested he shed some light on this mind boggling question
I think this line right here is what's confusing people.
"micro-SD card slot for up to 32GB memory through a USB adapter (have to buy separately)"
It's possible to extend it through the USB adapter, but IMO it's much easier to use a service like dropbox or sugarsync. Save a few playlists locally with iSyncr then have the rest of your library on google music. I use sugarsync. I use it all the time. It's a great way to get files onto your device, wireless.
Where's the pictures of the pre production tab having the SD slot? And BTW it's up to the person making a claim against the norm to prove it... not the other way around, that's ridiculous.
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What evidence points to the contrary??? Samsung officially will tell you there is no micro SD card slot but that does not count since its their default answer if it is or isnt inside. The fact that there is no actual cut out in the plastic shell also does not count as that is its default position regardless if the slot hardware is there or not.
Again where is this evidence to the contrary?
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I got my Titan today and the first thing I noticed was that the touch was a bit slow, nothing to really care about but coming from the iPhone I expected the same "tracking" but it ain't there. Anyone else feeling this?
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I got my Titan today and the first thing I noticed was that the touch was a bit slow, nothing to really care about but coming from the iPhone I expected the same "tracking" but it ain't there. Anyone else feeling this?
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You on 8107? Did you start out with a Fresh Install? Any apps that might cause this?
Probably Digitizer issue... If you got warranty with AT&T/UK/whoever replace it
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You on 8107? Did you start out with a Fresh Install? Any apps that might cause this?
Probably Digitizer issue... If you got warranty with AT&T/UK/whoever replace it
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Yes 8107, I booted the phone and I had a few updates available so I updated it completely (I don't know what firmware it was from beginning, but definitely Mango at least). I'm not sure what you mean with Fresh install, please elaborate.
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Yes 8107, I booted the phone and I had a few updates available so I updated it completely (I don't know what firmware it was from beginning, but definitely Mango at least). I'm not sure what you mean with Fresh install, please elaborate.
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Fresh Install as In... A Factory Reset.... Like its better to start out with a clean slate then to start using a phone that was already being used and had some caches/apps loaded onto it...
Its best to ruled out any software issues before blaming Hardware (replacement)
And the digitizer is definitely not faulty.
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And the digitizer is definitely not faulty.
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Basically if its lagging it would be software related... There's a delay from when you do something to when WP7 responses to it... I would suggest backing Up and doing a Factory Reset and see if it makes a difference.
Did you load up the phone with stuff? Supposedly there's an issue with AT&T models that lag when low in memory even if you don't have that model it could be related
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Fresh Install as In... A Factory Reset.... Like its better to start out with a clean slate then to start using a phone that was already being used and had some caches/apps loaded onto it...
Its best to ruled out any software issues before blaming Hardware (replacement)
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It was brand new, never used before so it should have been from scratch already (I had to go through the setup thing and so on)
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Basically if its lagging it would be software related... There's a delay from when you do something to when WP7 responses to it... I would suggest backing Up and doing a Factory Reset and see if it makes a difference.
Did you load up the phone with stuff? Supposedly there's an issue with AT&T models that lag when low in memory even if you don't have that model it could be related
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I got like 15 apps installed but I really don't feel like resetting the phone, I can live with this.
ArtieQ said:
It was brand new, never used before so it should have been from scratch already (I had to go through the setup thing and so on)
I got like 15 apps installed but I really don't feel like resetting the phone, I can live with this.
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if it's an ATT model, I won't be surprised. Plenty of issues heard in the past with earlier batches too.
Make sure your thumb is not touching the sides as the screen comes so close to the sides that i was touching it and not knowing it, which made it appear to lag or not press numbers to unlock and such. The easy fix for it was to get a hard rubber case which raised my thumbs up so they wouldn't brush the screen edges when typing.
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if it's an ATT model, I won't be surprised. Plenty of issues heard in the past with earlier batches too.
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It's not an AT&T model, it's totally unbranded.
ROCOAFZ said:
Make sure your thumb is not touching the sides as the screen comes so close to the sides that i was touching it and not knowing it, which made it appear to lag or not press numbers to unlock and such. The easy fix for it was to get a hard rubber case which raised my thumbs up so they wouldn't brush the screen edges when typing.
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I press the screen straight on with my fingers. Anyway, I might just be overreacting here but it definately feels like the touch is a liiiiiittle after, delayed or whatever you wanna call it.
Uploaded a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFO45-u07AU
Looking at your video it seems perfectly normal to me, None of my WP7 devices have ever been any better than your Titan, (2xHD7 and a Titan) Maybe it's just a case of getting over your last phone and adapting to the way Windows Phone works, Took me ages after win Mo 6.5
Hi ArtieQ,
I have the same feeling as you : the scroll doesn't follow immediatly the finger, compared to my Omnia 7 or my iPhone. I hope HTC will fix this with an update, but I'm dreaming...
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Hi ArtieQ,
I have the same feeling as you : the scroll doesn't follow immediatly the finger, compared to my Omnia 7 or my iPhone. I hope HTC will fix this with an update, but I'm dreaming...
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one, because yesterday I was about to send in my Titan for warranty repair but later changed my mind. I really hope this is software related, but I think not.
I was also glad when I saw your post because nobody except you has noticed it. But if you look at any video of the titan, you'll see the problem is always here...
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I was also glas when I saw your post because nobody except you has noticed it. But if you look at any video of the titan, you'll see the problem is always here...
Sent from my TITAN X310e using Board Express
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I found this thread as well: http://forums.wpcentral.com/phone-wars/184480.htm
I have both an Omnia 7 and a Titan and one thing i noticed on the Titan is that if I don't hold the phone with one hand and use the other for touch the screen lags and failes to register the finger at times. On the Omnia 7 I don't have this problem. The Titan might be worse either way but it's a huge difference when not holding the phone on my Titan atleast
It's easy to reproduce in some games... I get missed swipes (fruit ninja) or birds that fly when I am still trying to get the perfect angle (angry birds).
I was hoping for a firmware to fix this but didn't know if anyone else have a problem so havent bothered reporting it to HTC. I guess if we don't the wont know it's a problem?
//Mikael P
Its got nothing to do with the OS if someone is wondering that! this is an HTC thing, evry phone from HTC have this, its just thay are not as responsiv as a Samsung phone or an IPhone, just look at HTC phone with Android its the same slow respons. if im not worng, this is an Screen issue, i mean an HTC issue HTC use on there phones.
Phone details are in my signature. I reset the phone right out of the box as I always do when new phones or after doing a software upgrade.
I've noticed that marketplace isn't notifying me of app updates available.
When I buy something, it keeps says I have to buy over and over again and never lets me download the app even though I get the email confirmation from MS.
The on-screen keyboard, at the password screen or even when I go to start a text, there is a full 1 second delay or more in the first letter/number I push, always. Is this a defect in the touch screen or software?
My old WP7 had none of these issues.
Anyone else?
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Phone details are in my signature. I reset the phone right out of the box as I always do when new phones or after doing a software upgrade.
I've noticed that marketplace isn't notifying me of app updates available.
When I buy something, it keeps says I have to buy over and over again and never lets me download the app even though I get the email confirmation from MS.
The on-screen keyboard, at the password screen or even when I go to start a text, there is a full 1 second delay or more in the first letter/number I push, always. Is this a defect in the touch screen or software?
My old WP7 had none of these issues.
Anyone else?
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Take it back and get another one. At a store they should swap it right there and then. It could be software related like every phone at launch has issues or a serious hardware problem
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Phone details are in my signature. I reset the phone right out of the box as I always do when new phones or after doing a software upgrade.
I've noticed that marketplace isn't notifying me of app updates available.
When I buy something, it keeps says I have to buy over and over again and never lets me download the app even though I get the email confirmation from MS.
The on-screen keyboard, at the password screen or even when I go to start a text, there is a full 1 second delay or more in the first letter/number I push, always. Is this a defect in the touch screen or software?
My old WP7 had none of these issues.
Anyone else?
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Have you synced your device with the desktop Zune client yet? It might be worth a go before you finally swap it.
drupad2drupad said:
Have you synced your device with the desktop Zune client yet? It might be worth a go before you finally swap it.
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Yes so I could sync all my pics, video, etc.
I already have the device setup exactly how I want it, I'd hate to return it when there is no backup/restore option in Zune. Dang it.
If its a software issue we can rule out Factory Reset... and that Im aware of there hasn't been an RUU leak for 8112 for the titan2 so flashing it is impossible.
Was the issue present from the get go? Like the moment It was turned on before setting up anything?
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If its a software issue we can rule out Factory Reset... and that Im aware of there hasn't been an RUU leak for 8112 for the titan2 so flashing it is impossible.
Was the issue present from the get go? Like the moment It was turned on before setting up anything?
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After turning on my phone out of the box, I went straight and did a hard reset. So I noticed everything after that. Marketplace not notifying of app updates and the touchscreen keyboard issue yes. I only tried buying that app after reinstalling all the other apps I had bought for my previous WP so I can't say about that issue.
I think I will just hang onto the handset until the Tango update is released and hope that resolves the issues.
UPDATE: Looks like marketplace is now notifying me of app updates correctly now and the app purchase I made has no gone through. I guess something was maybe going on with MS's side of things. I'll just deal with the keyboard/dial pad delay thing and hope Tango fixes it, it's only delayed on the first character I enter when I start typing anyway.
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UPDATE:I'll just deal with the keyboard/dial pad delay thing and hope Tango fixes it, it's only delayed on the first character I enter when I start typing anyway.
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A temporary fix is just to turn off the "key press" sound. Once sound is off, there is no delay. Same issues with the Focus S and my Titan 2.
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A temporary fix is just to turn off the "key press" sound. Once sound is off, there is no delay. Same issues with the Focus S and my Titan 2.
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Thank you, that worked! I wonder why some windows phone have this issue and some don't? Perhaps the quality & latency of the nand flash? I have noticed this phone is a little slower than my Arrive was.
I had the exact same keyboard / touch screen delay issue. Turning off the keybaord sound definitely seems to have fixed the issue. Thanks.
I had a Lumia 900 and trades it for the HTC Titan II because of the camera issues with the Lumia. The HTC is better in my opinion but the tap delay issue was a real pain and I did not experience it with the Lumia.
I'll give it a shot, too as I have the delay. I also swapped out my Lumia for a Titan 2 and very much prefer it.
I have exactly same issue on my titan II.
I used focus before titan II. But focus hadn't this issue.
I think it can be fixed but now I feel inconvenience a lot.
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Phone details are in my signature. I reset the phone right out of the box as I always do when new phones or after doing a software upgrade.
I've noticed that marketplace isn't notifying me of app updates available.
When I buy something, it keeps says I have to buy over and over again and never lets me download the app even though I get the email confirmation from MS.
The on-screen keyboard, at the password screen or even when I go to start a text, there is a full 1 second delay or more in the first letter/number I push, always. Is this a defect in the touch screen or software?
My old WP7 had none of these issues.
Anyone else?
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Re-flash the ROM with stock ROM. HTC they have serious problems in doing their initial setup. I had problems with my 2 HTC devices, and flashing helped me.
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Re-flash the ROM with stock ROM. HTC they have serious problems in doing their initial setup. I had problems with my 2 HTC devices, and flashing helped me.
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Do you have the stock ROM for the Titan II?
Anybody please help with htc stoke rom for titan 2, thanks
Stock ROM is much appreciated ! Anyone with some information ?
i too had the keyboard issue, but have mostly gotten used to it, but it would be nice to have it fixed while keeping the keyboard sound.
another issue im having is more hardware related- when i press lightly, on the edges of the screen, there is a "glow" around the area i press like on a pc when you touch the screen. i can also feel the screen around the edges bending slightly, like the screen is loose. anybody else have this?
i have never had this on anything else with a touchscreen- ive had 2 iphones, a samsung gs2 skyrocket, and an asus transformer prime
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i too had the keyboard issue, but have mostly gotten used to it, but it would be nice to have it fixed while keeping the keyboard sound.
another issue im having is more hardware related- when i press lightly, on the edges of the screen, there is a "glow" around the area i press like on a pc when you touch the screen. i can also feel the screen around the edges bending slightly, like the screen is loose. anybody else have this?
i have never had this on anything else with a touchscreen- ive had 2 iphones, a samsung gs2 skyrocket, and an asus transformer prime
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That is probably because of the unibody design they've opted for. This issue is much similar to what annoyingly cheap hardware feeling I get when I press hard on "Windows" softkey. You can feel the spring and at times it makes that cracking sound too. But from what I've read around, as time passes on with these unibody designs, the back case get lose and so does the front chasis. Probably that "glow" you are referring to is due to lose screen chasis?
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That is probably because of the unibody design they've opted for. This issue is much similar to what annoyingly cheap hardware feeling I get when I press hard on "Windows" softkey. You can feel the spring and at times it makes that cracking sound too. But from what I've read around, as time passes on with these unibody designs, the back case get lose and so does the front chasis. Probably that "glow" you are referring to is due to lose screen chasis?
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no one else has this? because the phone is brand new and did this out of the box
I'm actually having this problem as well new right out of the box. But also its not only the keyboard sound but sound in games as well. When I play games its really glitchy as the game will pause for a split second when there is a long enough gap in sound.
I bought the phone new in box unopend off craigslist for my girlfriend so im not sure if I can get this warrantied. Additionally I tried flashing the stock rom like people have been suggesting but with no luck the issue is still present.
Its a shame that such a nice phone could have such a frustrating problem right out of the box. My first gen wp the HTC Arrive never had this issue. Yet I really haven't seen much online or a fix expect whatever has been said on this thread.
Can my girlfriend just simply activate the phone and take it to at&t and get it replaced without proof that she bought it at the store?
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I'm actually having this problem as well new right out of the box. But also its not only the keyboard sound but sound in games as well. When I play games its really glitchy as the game will pause for a split second when there is a long enough gap in sound.
I bought the phone new in box unopend off craigslist for my girlfriend so im not sure if I can get this warrantied. Additionally I tried flashing the stock rom like people have been suggesting but with no luck the issue is still present.
Its a shame that such a nice phone could have such a frustrating problem right out of the box. My first gen wp the HTC Arrive never had this issue. Yet I really haven't seen much online or a fix expect whatever has been said on this thread.
Can my girlfriend just simply activate the phone and take it to at&t and get it replaced without proof that she bought it at the store?
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I found that if you turn off key press sounds and disable the sound enhance, the phone works much much better.
hi i have atrix like over a year, and last week i had some little bugs with the touchscreen. there is some places in the touch screeen that dont respond so good and i heard there is a patch that fix that bug or there some trick. i looked in google and i didnt found them
i have recently changed my rom to epinter ics 10 and the rom work great and even i got some little improvment on the touch screen but it still work Every now and then bad so if you can link me a guide or something i will be glad
This sounds to me like a digitizer issue. I have an atrix, but only use it as a spare issue, however ive had several phones with similar issues and they were all resolved by replacing the digitizer.
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This sounds to me like a digitizer issue. I have an atrix, but only use it as a spare issue, however ive had several phones with similar issues and they were all resolved by replacing the digitizer.
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I agree with cloudraker. I've had 3 atrix phones, and the digitizers are a weak spot. I would check and see if you are still under warranty. Motorola is very good about this and replaces the phone usually. I had one that was not in warranty, and they replaced that as well. Good luck.
Careful though. Motorola is indeed usually generous about this, but there's a price to pay - you will more than likely end up with a non-unlockable bootloader.
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Careful though. Motorola is indeed usually generous about this, but there's a price to pay - you will more than likely end up with a non-unlockable bootloader.
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That is a possibility, however I sent in two, and got back two that i was able to unlock. Don't know what the chances are, but that is my experience.
Kind of like Russian roulette......... lol
i am now in brazil and my warranty is off . any of you know if its expensive to give it to lab or its easy to do it myself?
or anything that i can do to avoid thos thing
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i am now in brazil and my warranty is off . any of you know if its expensive to give it to lab or its easy to do it myself?
or anything that i can do to avoid thos thing
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I haven't done the digitizer, but I have done a number of other parts. The atrix is a very easy phone to tear down. I'm sure there is a YouTube video for digitizer replacement. That would certainly be the cheaper way to go......
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I haven't done the digitizer, but I have done a number of other parts. The atrix is a very easy phone to tear down. I'm sure there is a YouTube video for digitizer replacement. That would certainly be the cheaper way to go......
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where can i buy it ? and +- how much it cost?
and what about that
motorola.com/staticfiles/Support/GB-EN/Mobile%20Phones/MB860/Orange/Atrix_4.1.31_4.4.20_Orange_GB_Upgrade_Release_Notes_GB.htm
can i use it or its a waste of time?
and if i can use ir how do i install with my courrently rom
On eBay they start at around $25, and go up from there.
chrism.brunner said:
On eBay they start at around $25, and go up from there.
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and about that link ? you now something about it?
Hello, I have problems with a u20i x10 mini pro.
I tried resetting with pccompanion, as well as flashing stock firmware (no error in flashtool log), but phone enters a sort of bootloop, without even arriving to SE logo. Only, display gets light, but nothing is displayed. Phone sometimes vibrates, when power button is pressed. No led light seen.
This is s1tool output:
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18.01.2014 01:12:33 RUNNING S1_EROM VER "R8A027"
18.01.2014 01:12:33 SOFTWARE AID: 0001
18.01.2014 01:12:33 LOADER AID: 0001
18.01.2014 01:12:35 FLASH ID: "00EC/00BC"
18.01.2014 01:12:35 LOADER VERSION: "R4A045"
18.01.2014 01:12:35
18.01.2014 01:12:35 MODEL (from GDFS): U20i
18.01.2014 01:12:35 SOFTWARE VERSION: 1235-3411_2.0.A.0.504
18.01.2014 01:12:35 CUSTOM VERSION: 1238-0199_R3B
18.01.2014 01:12:35 FILESYSTEM VERSION: WORLD-1-8_2.0.A.0.504
18.01.2014 01:12:35 SERIAL NO: CB511KWV7E
18.01.2014 01:12:35
18.01.2014 01:12:35 SEMC SIMLOCK CERTIFICATE
18.01.2014 01:12:35 Elapsed:6 secs.
Is it possible to judge the state of the system from this log? Is it hard bricked, soft bricked or suffers some hardware damage?
Thanks
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Hello, I have problems with a u20i x10 mini pro.
I tried resetting with pccompanion, as well as flashing stock firmware (no error in flashtool log), but phone enters a sort of bootloop, without even arriving to SE logo. Only, display gets light, but nothing is displayed. Phone sometimes vibrates, when power button is pressed. No led light seen.
This is s1tool output:
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Is it possible to judge the state of the system from this log? Is it hard bricked, soft bricked or suffers some hardware damage?
Thanks
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It's not hardbricked, in a hardbrick you don't get any responses from the phone. I think maybe your flex is broken, that's the ribbon cable that connects the screen to the rest of the phone. Other than that, i wouldn't know why it's not working properly.
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It's not hardbricked, in a hardbrick you don't get any responses from the phone. I think maybe your flex is broken, that's the ribbon cable that connects the screen to the rest of the phone. Other than that, i wouldn't know why it's not working properly.
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Thanks mate, then I'm opening it tomorrow (I just don't have any tools with me right now).
Just another couple of questions before opening:
1) I would have expected the phone to turn on and without the display (and hence, be available via usb), instead of continuosly rebooting. Am I wrong?
2) does the ribbon cable brake, or sometimes just detach from the board?
thanks again (for the info as well as for the prompt answer)
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Thanks mate, then I'm opening it tomorrow (I just don't have any tools with me right now).
Just another couple of questions before opening:
1) I would have expected the phone to turn on and without the display (and hence, be available via usb), instead of continuosly rebooting. Am I wrong?
2) does the ribbon cable brake, or sometimes just detach from the board?
thanks again (for the info as well as for the prompt answer)
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Well... as for nr.1, you do get a response from your phone in S1Tool, so that is ok, and if it was booted you would have to turn on usb-connection from the status-bar in order for it to connect as mass storage The screen not working prevents you from doing that. On the other hand, the drivers for the screen and the digitizer may give a fatal sort of error because they can't connect, resulting in the kernel stopping the boot. Both are sort of guesses on my part but may explain your problem.
As for nr. 2, It usually breaks It's the most common hardware failure on the U20.
SmG67 said:
Well... as for nr.1, you do get a response from your phone in S1Tool, so that is ok, and if it was booted you would have to turn on usb-connection from the status-bar in order for it to connect as mass storage The screen not working prevents you from doing that. On the other hand, the drivers for the screen and the digitizer may give a fatal sort of error because they can't connect, resulting in the kernel stopping the boot. Both are sort of guesses on my part but may explain your problem.
As for nr. 2, It usually breaks It's the most common hardware failure on the U20.
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I see... and, please correct me if I am wrong, a broken flex cable could explain the led off while charging and while flashing, right? but, isn't also the "back" key connected through the flex, in the end? just for my information, I don't mean to test your knowledge
another couple of questions:
3) do I need to disassmble both the lower (the one of the battery) and the upper (the "display" one ) parts, to check the flex, or can I just concentrate on the upper one?
4) I suppose there is no way to repair the flex, if is is broken....
thanks for the valuable information!
ostatit said:
I see... and, please correct me if I am wrong, a broken flex cable could explain the led off while charging and while flashing, right? but, isn't also the "back" key connected through the flex, in the end? just for my information, I don't mean to test your knowledge
another couple of questions:
3) do I need to disassmble both the lower (the one of the battery) and the upper (the "display" one ) parts, to check the flex, or can I just concentrate on the upper one?
4) I suppose there is no way to repair the flex, if is is broken....
thanks for the valuable information!
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Yes, it would mean the led wouldn't get any power, but the flex is a parallel cable, with lots of wires connecting various parts, they may not all be broken, so you might still be able to use the keys, or with some people, half the screen sometimes.
As for the disassembly, there are tutorials and videos you can follow, just search them on google. And a new flex-cable is quite inexpensive, a few quid should buy you one.
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Yes, it would mean the led wouldn't get any power, but the flex is a parallel cable, with lots of wires connecting various parts, they may not all be broken, so you might still be able to use the keys, or with some people, half the screen sometimes.
As for the disassembly, there are tutorials and videos you can follow, just search them on google. And a new flex-cable is quite inexpensive, a few quid should buy you one.
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short (useless) update: I have not found a T6 torx yet....
ostatit said:
short (useless) update: I have not found a T6 torx yet....
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... it is definitely the ribbon. Half cut.
I'm considering buying a new one... but, before, another couple of questions
is the flex glued onto the metal plate? Do I have to destroy the old one? (and that would explain why all the video guides end without "disassembling" the flex do I need any special tool to attach the new one (assuming that I am really going to do the job )?
thanks!
ostatit said:
... it is definitely the ribbon. Half cut.
I'm considering buying a new one... but, before, another couple of questions
is the flex glued onto the metal plate? Do I have to destroy the old one? (and that would explain why all the video guides end without "disassembling" the flex do I need any special tool to attach the new one (assuming that I am really going to do the job )?
thanks!
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Alright, I made it
I received the new ribbon and put it in operation
Actually, I need a couple of further suggestions:
1) how do I fix the ribbon in the right position? Do I need to glue it? When I open the keyboard, I have the feeling that it always "crashes" against the ribbon...
2) How do I solve the sim-lock?
Thanks
ostatit said:
Alright, I made it
I received the new ribbon and put it in operation
Actually, I need a couple of further suggestions:
1) how do I fix the ribbon in the right position? Do I need to glue it? When I open the keyboard, I have the feeling that it always "crashes" against the ribbon...
2) How do I solve the sim-lock?
Thanks
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I don't know if you need to glue it, maybe you could even use some tape to stick it, roughly in the same place where the old one was attached, if that was attached at all.
Secondly: What about the sim-lock? Do you mean it's locked to one particular provider, without accepting other sim-cards? Or do you mean the code you have to fill in before the phone is booted up?
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I don't know if you need to glue it, maybe you could even use some tape to stick it, roughly in the same place where the old one was attached, if that was attached at all.
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alright, I will consider, thanks!
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Secondly: What about the sim-lock? Do you mean it's locked to one particular provider, without accepting other sim-cards? Or do you mean the code you have to fill in before the phone is booted up?
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well, it asks for a
"SIM network unlock PIN"...
ostatit said:
alright, I will consider, thanks!
well, it asks for a
"SIM network unlock PIN"...
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Right... that is a sim-lock... either use a sim-card from the provider the phone is locked to, or ask that provider for an emma/imei code in order to unlock it. This is usually free after the initial contract period. The only other way is to use a paid service to unlock it.
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Right... that is a sim-lock... either use a sim-card from the provider the phone is locked to, or ask that provider for an emma/imei code in order to unlock it. This is usually free after the initial contract period. The only other way is to use a paid service to unlock it.
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Verdammt, ok... Point is, I got the phone in a "flohmarkt", so I have really no idea of the provider.
Cheeky question: are the ones you mentioned the only possible solutions, or is it possible that there is some "grey zone" way to do the job, described around the internet, which I shall look for by myself?
ostatit said:
Verdammt, ok... Point is, I got the phone in a "flohmarkt", so I have really no idea of the provider.
Cheeky question: are the ones you mentioned the only possible solutions, or is it possible that there is some "grey zone" way to do the job, described around the internet, which I shall look for by myself?
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It can be done over the internet, but everyone who offers that service will demand money for it. The only really free way ( and the safest way if you want to unlock the bootloader and play with custom kernels and roms ) is the code from the provider. There isn't some sort of logo or sticker inside that will identify the provider? Come to think of it, there should be a model-sticker inside with an SI number on it in the format of: 1238-2562 (that's my number, SE original Customised UK black ) One of those two numbers is usually a provider-code you can look up on the internet. I wish you good luck
(And flohmarkt is german for flee-market (usually american english), or car-bootsale (more commonly used in the UK)
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It can be done over the internet, but everyone who offers that service will demand money for it. The only really free way ( and the safest way if you want to unlock the bootloader and play with custom kernels and roms ) is the code from the provider. There isn't some sort of logo or sticker inside that will identify the provider? Come to think of it, there should be a model-sticker inside with an SI number on it in the format of: 1238-2562 (that's my number, SE original Customised UK black ) One of those two numbers is usually a provider-code you can look up on the internet. I wish you good luck
(And flohmarkt is german for flee-market (usually american english), or car-bootsale (more commonly used in the UK)
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Well mate, again many thanks for all the pieces of valuable informations you provided... just found that my SI is 1238-8583, which is (googling not too far away from here ) Mobilkom A1 AT/Black. I am going to visit them ...
(ah, yeah, sure flohmarkt is german... I did not mean to hurt anybody with the germanism, I just thought it was used abroad too, like e.g. "doppelgaenger". Btw I am not german mother language )
ostatit said:
Well mate, again many thanks for all the pieces of valuable informations you provided... just found that my SI is 1238-8583, which is (googling not too far away from here ) Mobilkom A1 AT/Black. I am going to visit them ...
(ah, yeah, sure flohmarkt is german... I did not mean to hurt anybody with the germanism, I just thought it was used abroad too, like e.g. "doppelgaenger". Btw I am not german mother language )
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unbelievable... Here in Austria A1 demands 50 euros for unlocking a 2 years old mobile (with receipt), or 150 euros without receipt (indipendently from the age). this is unreasonable. Is this legal? Has anybody suggestions? Thanks
ostatit said:
unbelievable... Here in Austria A1 demands 50 euros for unlocking a 2 years old mobile (with receipt), or 150 euros without receipt (indipendently from the age). this is unreasonable. Is this legal? Has anybody suggestions? Thanks
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I have no idea if that is legal, but since the Austrian government isn't reprimanding them I guess they are within the legal limits of doing so. The 'normal' thing to do though, is to do it for free after the initial contract period is over, since the phone is paid off by then, and there's really no need to keep it tied to your own network.
I can somewhat understand the difference between the receipt and non-receipt prices, they don't want to make it worth while for stolen phones to be used any longer. (Not that i'm saying your phone is stolen, but they can't know without the receipt).
I suggested doing it through them because it is usually free, but since you'll have to pay for it, You could try something like Omnius. They are a paid service, but they should be cheaper than the provider in this case.
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The 'normal' thing to do though, is to do it for free after the initial contract period is over, since the phone is paid off by then, and there's really no need to keep it tied to your own network.
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well, that would have really made sense...
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I suggested doing it through them because it is usually free,
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actually, it is like that in quite a lot of countries (after a couple of years): in a quick search I have read that also for Switzerland, Italy, ...
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You could try something like Omnius. They are a paid service, but they should be cheaper than the provider in this case.
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Alright, thanks again!
(Still, I think that 50 euros to let people use a 3-year old mobile phone is quite a nice present to phone makers...)
ostatit said:
(Still, I think that 50 euros to let people use a 3-year old mobile phone is quite a nice present to phone makers...)
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Not to the phone-makers, a nice present to themselves, making money of a phone that's already paid for, and the only thing they have to do in return is e-mail a code they've got stored in a database.
They are hoping you'll go for a new phone (and contract) which would make a nice present for them AND a phone-maker It's win-win for them, apart from the fact that you're now pissed off and will never go for them as a provider in your life
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Not to the phone-makers, a nice present to themselves, making money of a phone that's already paid for, and the only thing they have to do in return is e-mail a code they've got stored in a database.
They are hoping you'll go for a new phone (and contract) which would make a nice present for them AND a phone-maker It's win-win for them, apart from the fact that you're now pissed off and will never go for them as a provider in your life
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very bad news from my small mobile phone
I had always had the feeling that I assemblied quite fast and not really well, so I decided to open it again and fix the ribbon with some glue... long story short, it does not work at all! No reaction at power on button, no reaction on linux (lsusb used to show a device, when the ribbon was broken), no reaction from s1tool... I fear I really broke something, this time... do you still have some suggestion for this case of "no response at all"? I actually don't think I ruined the ribbon with the glue (which was my first guess), but I don't know what to consider now...