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So wirefly states that one needs to keep the phone that is purchased through them on the same line for 4 months. I called amazon on the 17th of march asking them if I can do an upgrade using one line then switch the phone to another and was told yes. I received the thunderbolt yesterday, I called amazon and was told this was no longer allowed. I asked when this change occured. He asked me when I made the phone purchase. I told him 29th. He then said the change occurred before that. I asked when once more, he refused to state when. What is going on here? What can I do now, besides getting a refund?
That's the downside of trying to save a few bucks. Gotta follow their rules. Doesn't look like they've changed their terms online though. Switching the device to another line shouldn't fall under either of the rules below.
http://wireless.amazon.com/help/200364580/
AmazonWireless Instant Discount Policy
When you purchase your device with service from AmazonWireless.com, we automatically pass along an instant discount from the carrier to you. This discount has been provided to you based on your agreement to (a) activate a new, or extend an existing, line of service for this device with the carrier, and (b) maintain this service in good standing for a minimum of 181 consecutive days. If you do not activate or extend a line of service in connection with this device, or if your service is canceled/disconnected before 181 consecutive days, AmazonWireless.com will charge you $250 per device, plus applicable taxes.
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I called previously and stated I could do the swap. I called yesterday they no longer do the swap. I also e-mailed them and they stated that they no longer do the swap. Both stated it was recent change. I called again this morning and I was otld once again they no longer do the swap and it was recent. I asked to talk to higher up and I was told I can no longer do the swap and this rules was a year old. I called the higher up on her statement and she then blames that everyone else is wrong and they need to go through training again.
I *****ed and moaned. at the end I am forced to return the phone, but I was offered $30 from amazon to use on their website. Plus I can play with the phone before I return it. Play as in test.
You can call wirefly's escalations department. 18004449543
You'll actually speak with someone competent enough, but will still probably go nowhere with wirefly since they are the worst.
I would ask for a copy of their terms as nothing on their site mentions prohibiting the transfer of the phone to another line, just that you have to keep the line active.
Wirefly and Amazon are both indirect agents and thus fall under those rules. If you cancel your line, change to a lower priceplan, or cancel a feature they get charged back. They "can" try to charge you a fee to help offset the cost. Pay with a credit card and dispute if they do. Once you buy the phone it's yours to do with as you please. Switch it to another line using Verizon's customer service, not amazon/wirefly's. Don't tell amazon/wirefly that you are planning to do that. Sometimes paying a little more is worth not getting hassled though ;-)
that's a bummer. Obviously bs that this was an old policy. I called twice before the launch and asked about this specific policy. they just said that the line itself needed to stay active. I purchased a TB on the first day with amazon, never even activated on the original line (so the data plan was never started) and setup on a second line when talking to verizon customer support.
hmmm I guess I need to decide if $56 is worth the hassle to do a credit card dispute is amazon decides to charge me an additional $250. I did talk to amazon this morning so they do have a record of the conversation.
They gave me $30 and sent me a packing slip for the phone.
Would I still be able to do refuse the charge? Or should I ask for the terms?
Technically the line is changed I suppose, since it wouldn't have the 4g unlimited, that would be moved to the primary so there is a change, I suppose.
So far I am thinking I would ask for the terms from amazon then do a swap of lines. If they charge me I would dispute it and send over the terms to the creditcard company and win.
I think I am tired of fighting "the man", losing battle. Unless someone got a secret weapon I can use in addition to stated previously.
Thats why I just get my stuff from the local store, They know me and dont give me any problems when I need a little help thats out of the ordinary. Its called a relationship, cant get that with an online super merchant!
So I preordered my evo 3d from a sprint corporate store, got the $50 giftcard and am #2 on the list. (did this the first day they started preorders).
Now there's an issue.. My father, the owner of the sprint account is away and wont arrive back in time for a week or so after the 24th.. Which is rather annoying.
So my question is, can I renew the contract without him? I currently have a htc touch pro, so I dont think I'd be changing the plan only renewing it, my line is eligible for an upgrade, I just dont know if I can do it without him being there and if I can what I would need.
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Maybe if you have him call Sprint and they notate the account... at least by calling they will let you know your options.
first question would be are you on a seperate line? or is it a single line in his name?
secondly if your on a "family plan" being on a secondary line are you a authorized user? such as are you able to call the customer support and discuss the contract or make changes. If you are not either in any of these cases you will most likely not be able to pick up the phone without him being how you would be altering the contract.
Please note this is not "officially" from sprint just a sprint user and a perception from experience. (not 100% sure)
Im sure he could authorize you to make changes to the account etc, if you can get him to call. Then he can just remove you if he wants after you get the phone.
if you have the pin or security question you should be okay. unless the account is notated by strict guidelines by the owner, like, " no changes can be made unless Mr. El kido is in the store"
I'm in the same situation on a family plan and have dealt with this in the past as well. They have always asked me for the PIN or "security phrase" in order to make changes. Just ask for this information from your dad and you should be good to go.
I was able to cancel my contract for the View I purchased in July with no ETF
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Sprint had stated that they are increasing their administrative fee to $1.50/line. This is considered a change in the terms of service and will allow you 30 days from the date it's put into effect to cancel your contract without penalty.
This notice should be on your latest bill...
Administrative Charge Increase &Terms & Conditions Changes for Consumers
Effective 9/9/11, the Administrative Chargewill increase to $1.50 per line for customersthat receive the charge. For details, visitsprint.com/taxesandfees. In addition, theSprint consumer Terms (Ts&Cs) are changing. Please review them carefully at your local Sprint store or sprint.com/termsandconditions
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And per their terms and conditions.....
When You Don't Have To Pay An Early Termination Fee
You aren't responsible for paying an Early Termination Fee when terminating Services: (a) provided on a month-to-month basis; (b) consistent with our published trial period return policy; or (c) in response to a materially adverse change we make to the Agreement as described directly below.
Our Right To Change The Agreement & Your Related Rights
We may change any part of the Agreement at any time, including, but not limited to, rates, charges, how we calculate charges, or your terms of Service. We will provide you notice of material changes—and may provide you notice of non-material changes—in a manner consistent with this Agreement (see "Providing Notice To Each Other Under The Agreement" section). If a change we make to the Agreement is material and has a material adverse effect on Services under your Term Commitment, you may terminate each line of Service materially affected without incurring an Early Termination Fee only if you: (a) call us within 30 days after the effective date of the change; and (b) specifically advise us that you wish to cancel Services because of a material change to the Agreement that we have made. If you do not cancel Service within 30 days of the change, an Early Termination Fee will apply if you terminate Services before the end of any applicable Term Commitment.
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There have been times where people have called in to cancel and have been given the run around from uninformed Sprint reps. Ask to speak to someone in retentions....RETENTIONS ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! After all it's their job to keep you.
Good luck!
Could I get a view with contract then call retentions and cancel it with this?
In the past, when other carriers raised their administrative fees, the carriers just opted to waive the fee for the duration of the contract. Sprint's customer agreement actually says this: "Sprint Surcharges are not taxes or gov't-required charges and are subject to change."
Since you agreed to that, then the material change clause in the contract doesn't apply here.
If anyone does try this, please let us know. I'd love to cancel my crappy Sprint service and get an LTE tablet on Verizon.
Wanna sell me your View then?
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In the past, when other carriers raised their administrative fees, the carriers just opted to waive the fee for the duration of the contract. Sprint's customer agreement actually says this: "Sprint Surcharges are not taxes or gov't-required charges and are subject to change."
Since you agreed to that, then the material change clause in the contract doesn't apply here.
If anyone does try this, please let us know. I'd love to cancel my crappy Sprint service and get an LTE tablet on Verizon.
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It worked for me, I told them exactly what is written above. I bought my tablet in July. They are changing the terms and conditions too.
One T&C change is that in addition to modifying your device, they now specificly ban rooting.
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There's also a mandatory arbitration clause to prevent potential class-action lawsuits, along with a few other bits of legal.
Zan, where did you see the root policy in the new T&Cs? I'm reading it over on the web and I'm not finding that section.
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There's also a mandatory arbitration clause to prevent potential class-action lawsuits, along with a few other bits of legal.
Zan, where did you see the root policy in the new T&Cs? I'm reading it over on the web and I'm not finding that section.
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"Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services", section (i). They added the words "; (for example, rooting the device);"
So it now reads, "(i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications; (for example, rooting the device); " (before it stopped at specifications)
I tried cancelling based on that reason today, the supervisor told me that there was NOTHING they would let you cancel for in the new contract. That of COURSE they would never boot ME for that reason, and that if they did, it'd be ETF free. Except that a few paragraphs above it says that if they boot you for "good reason", you'd be charged the fee. Since they felt that rooting was enough of an issue to add it to the contract, seems that'd be a good reason. He also said that since the possible ETF didn't CURRENTLY affect me, it didn't count. After almost 2 hours he finally wore me down to the point that I just gave up. I'll try again tomorrow.
Funny thing is...I wanted to cancel JUST the service for the View, and just use it with a TMobile portable hotspot. Monthly fee would be about the same, and the TMobile device (so far) seems to get 4G speeds at more indoor locations for me. Now I'm mad enough at them to consider cancelling everything. I'm going to be trying out both a Tmobile hotspot and a phone this week, to see what coverage is like.
its much easier to mention the arbitration agreement change
This worked for me...
I had to call about 20 times to get them to comply with the terms. the last time I called, the call was escalated to the management team almost immediately. I talked to the man very calmly and explained the situation with him. I told him that sprint had changed the terms of my contract several times, I had the original contract in which I signed dated 9/21/2010 and I was not going to accept the new terms with their material changes. He said that sprints attorneys had already looked at the changes to the "surcharges" paragraph and they were not an adverse material change due to the fact that sprint is just imposing limits which it had none before. So I went on to explain the adverse change to the arbitration agreement which impeded my ability to pursue any wrong doing and showed sprint favoritism. I told him of all the complaints I had been researching about JAMS arbitration showing the business favoritism. He asked me to hold a minute and came right back asking if I had considered the buy back program. I told him absolutely not I was not going to loose $250 on a phone less than a year old which they would only give $95 for and expect me to pay $110 for an ETF. He said unfortunately there is nothing I can do. I replied, I am following all the terms of the contract, I stated the Provisions for breaking the contract with no ETF (material change) and again told him this new arbitration agreement which I would be using to pursue the change to the "surcharge" paragraph adversely affects me. He asked me to hold he would transfer my call to the head of his call center because his hands were tied. About 20 minutes later he came back on the line and told me he had talked to the head of the call center and he was willing to mark my contract fulfilled as of last month and set my account to cancel at the end of the billing cycle so I could port my number if I wanted. I told him that was awesome and I appreciated them abiding by our contract even though it took multiple calls to get it completed.
1. Take notes. write down the names and employee ID of all the people you talk to.
2. Make sure you tell them you want to cancel due to the material change to the terms and conditions.
3. If you get a person that seems like they are put out by having to be at work right now tell them something came up and you will have to call back later and thank them for their time. then call right back and get someone who is having a better day.
4. Tell them you do not like the fees but the change to the arbitration agreement is the material change that you do not agree with, it is because they are impeding your ability to resolve any disputes with sprint due to the changes to the arbitration agreement so it adversely affects you.
5. Do not let the persuade you into the buyback program unless you know what the conditions are and you don't mind loosing all the money you paid for your phone upfront, you will still have to pay the ETF and they don't pay much for phones ($95 max for the Epic). You could sell your phone on craigslist for more than they offer and possibly enough to cover the ETF.
6. Always remain calm and collected speak slowly and plainly, be courteous mind you manners. Talk to the employee for a minute ask where he is located and how his day is going. Make sure you are improving their mood sympathize with them. Tell them you understand they have been told what to say and they have to follow orders but someone must be able to complete this and abide by the terms and conditions. Talk to them like their on your side (reverse psychology). If I can make them laugh over something I usually have their support when the call is escalated to the next department. It definitely makes a difference if the previous employee leaves a good comment and they side with you on the account and doesn't say you are an ahole.
7. Do not let them persuade you into the buyback program unless you know what the conditions are and you don't mind loosing all the money you paid for your phone upfront, you will still have to pay the ETF and they don't pay much for phones ($95 max for the Epic). You could sell your phone on craigslist for more than they offer and possibly enough to cover the ETF.
8. If the employee does not agree the arbitration change is a material change. mention "In Cunningham vs. Fleetwood Homes of Georgia, reported at page 611 of the third Federal Reporter, volume 253, the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that arbitration clauses are material terms to a contract.”
9. They may offer a discount of .50 each month to offset the surcharge or $10 a month for 3 months to continue service. If you take these offers your contract will still be in full effect and you will be stuck with the new terms.
10. Get a CONFIRMATION NUMBER and keep it safe. Do not loose it just in case the employee lied which has been known to happen from time to time. check your account online and click "see my contract details" it should show almost immediately the contract is complete. press print screen and save the image at least until your final bill has arrived and is correct. I have been burned by companies which lied in the past because it does not matter what they tell you on the phone its what is in writing that counts. If they lie and you have no proof 30 days after the change you are stuck in your contract.
With a bit of luck they should let you out of the contract depending on the representative. They have no legal grounds to make you stay. If they refuse try again be persistent. I overheard the employees talking in the back ground at one point about how many times I had called over this issue. one of them even said "he is one persistent a**hole". Do not give up, if you don't find yourself making headway after 25 calls file a complaint with the BBB, FTC, FCC, your state attorney general, local chamber of commerce and your state public utility commission.
Good Luck,
Brandon
Or just pay a paltry $20 a month for always available data which makes your tablet far more useful, damn!
Today being the 10/9/11, I have run out of time to procrastinate. I called Sprint's Retention Department and was told there is no chance of getting out of the contract on my tablet over the $1.50 administrative fee. I was told asking for a supervisor or calling back 25 times until I got a person who would be cooperative might have worked 3 or 4 weeks ago, but not now.
I was also told that I would have to contact Sprint's Legal Department on Monday if I wanted to try to get out of my contract based on changes to the arbitration agreement and/or the ban on rooting.
In the meantime, I intend to buy a Verizon 4G LTE MiFi device this afternoon because I am totally fed-up with Sprint's slow 3G and lack of 4G towers.
Sprint New Contract
Can someone plesae tell me how we get out of our contact with Sprint, We have had service for about a month, We are paying 175.00 for two phones that we cant even use in our home.. When we were searching for new cell phone service we went with sprint because of the unlimited internet ( which to my knowlege no other cell phone company in my area offers) we both have the Samsung Conqure. I've called in several times regarding the poor service in our area I told them I wanted to cancel when we were well within the 30 days, They told me to hang on and let them try to fix the issues I said what are you gonna do build a cell tower in the town we live in, They offered to send an Airwave at no cost but what they didnt tell us why you have to have internet to get the aiwave to work which means we are going to have to call and get internet in our home and pay another bill to get the airwave to work and to be able to make calls inside our home. I've called customer care several times only to be told the 14 day trial is over.... Took them to th sprint store the girl behind the counter said that we should have been told when we ordered our phones that in our area there was no converage, customer care completly denies the fact that coverage in our area is spotty. So they are wanting to charge us 700 dollars in ETF for phones that we cant use in our home!
Someone please help!
Start searching the forums for changing your prl and roaming on Verizon. While your at it look for diagnostic drivers for your phones and CDMA Workshop 2.7. If you load a Verizon prl and start using your phones and data, in a month or two Sprint will be asking you to leave without an ETF and you can keep the phones. Start costing them money and they are more then happy to let you leave.
will this work if I just signed up for a Sprint plan this month? I signed up for phone service two months ago but justadded a new line last week for my Evo View Tablet. Can I use this to cancel my plan without ETF?
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will this work if I just signed up for a Sprint plan this month? I signed up for phone service two months ago but justadded a new line last week for my Evo View Tablet. Can I use this to cancel my plan without ETF?
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I use gvoice so clearly I do not want a texting plan. Anybody had luck getting them to remove it? I emailed Amazon customer service. If they wont remove it, I am guessing I can get Verizon to remove it after I receive my first bill.
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I use gvoice so clearly I do not want a texting plan. Anybody had luck getting them to remove it? I emailed Amazon customer service. If they wont remove it, I am guessing I can get Verizon to remove it after I receive my first bill.
Suggestions?
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You are getting a $300 phone for a penny, they are making that up with the texting plan. There is no such thing as a free lunch. You might be able to remove it, but Amazon might very well come back and charge you full price. You'll have to carefully read the fine print in the Amazon terms. Which texting plan do they make you get?
Very true. If that ends up being the bottom line, I can definitely live with it. They made each line have 1000 text plan for $10 for each line.
Still, If I can save $20 a month, I'm going to try.
Also going to get another $10 a month off my fios bill now that I'm a Verizon Wireless customer too.
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Huh. When I tried to buy a phone there I did not have to select a texting plan. I could just select data and move on. I didn't buy yet because I wanted a few more days to think about it
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Folks are saying any change to the plan during the first 181 days violate the terms and you will have to pay amazon's ETF (which I think is $250).
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I use gvoice so clearly I do not want a texting plan. Anybody had luck getting them to remove it? I emailed Amazon customer service. If they wont remove it, I am guessing I can get Verizon to remove it after I receive my first bill.
Suggestions?
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Why would there be an early termination fee?
If you check out the other thread, I called Amazon Wireless today, and they said there's no ETF for changing your plan (upgrade or downgrade), as long as you keep the line open, with a data plan.
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If you check out the other thread, I called Amazon Wireless today, and they said there's no ETF for changing your plan (upgrade or downgrade), as long as you keep the line open, with a data plan.
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Are you sure about that last part, I have been told By a friend that works at verizon that data isnt tied to the plan. I looked through the terms and conditions on my order, also no mention of data. Only that the line stays active.
I had a friend call amazon today and tell them to point out the part in the terms that states you need to keep data. They couldnt find it.
I just got my rezound today, swapped service with my TB. And am going in tomorrow to take TB off and put a dumb phone on and cancel data.
I wonder how long it will take amazon to chage me if they are going to...?
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Are you sure about that last part, I have been told By a friend that works at verizon that data isnt tied to the plan. I looked through the terms and conditions on my order, also no mention of data. Only that the line stays active.
I had a friend call amazon today and tell them to point out the part in the terms that states you need to keep data. They couldnt find it.
I just got my rezound today, swapped service with my TB. And am going in tomorrow to take TB off and put a dumb phone on and cancel data.
I wonder how long it will take amazon to chage me if they are going to...?
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true, data is not tied to the plan, but verizon has a requirement that any smartphone must have a dataplan. if they find out you do not, they will add it automatically for you.
Thats why im going to put a dumb phone on that plan and let it sit idle @ 9.99
I didn't notice any text messaging requirements, but I was just adding a line. It did have listed under family plans, both the mintues with unlimited texting and the minutes only.
I'm thinking the same thing about switching a dumb phone onto this line in a couple months after root is established.
Right now, I'm going to use my t-bolt has a hotspot on that line until I hit the 4gb limit every month (for my kindle fire). Once the rezound has root, I can just hotspot it.
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Thats why im going to put a dumb phone on that plan and let it sit idle @ 9.99
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You can do this easily and online without talking to anyone.
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You can do this easily and online without talking to anyone.
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on the web site im guessing? What part? Instruct me o wise one.
can anyone verify for sure if you can change the phone on the line that amazon gave you? I'm not sure what business it is of theirs if we change the phone as long as we're on the line? Furthermore, what if we drop the phone and it breaks or lose it...are they going to charge us $250 for that as well?
Its been three months since this post. has anyone got charged by amazon for swaping lines and removing data??
If anyone actually read their amazon agreement it CLEARLY states, that you agree to keep the line of service active for no less than 180 days.
Use a little common sense people. Lets say your phone gets stolen and you don't have insurance. Amazon can't just randomly force/expect you to automatically have a backup phone that supports data/text just to satisfy their terms or they charge you an ETF. Legally speaking something like that would NEVER hold up in court unless they forced you to get deductible free insurance, which to my knowledge doesn't exist. Bottom line, read what you sign. This thread needs to be closed before it leads to needless paranoia.
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Its been three months since this post. has anyone got charged by amazon for swaping lines and removing data??
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I got my Rez for a penny on this deal and have not been charged anything and I moved the Rez over to a new line. I then put a dumb phone on that line and removed data and have not received any correspondence from Amazon whatsoever.
Put it this way...when I asked an Amazon rep about keeping my unlimited data on my line (the only option when purchasing the phone was 4GB/month) he said I need to call Verizon to make sure I kept it. He didn't have access to view my account.
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I got my Rez for a penny on this deal and have not been charged anything and I moved the Rez over to a new line. I then put a dumb phone on that line and removed data and have not received any correspondence from Amazon whatsoever.
Put it this way...when I asked an Amazon rep about keeping my unlimited data on my line (the only option when purchasing the phone was 4GB/month) he said I need to call Verizon to make sure I kept it. He didn't have access to view my account.
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Your just lucky, my first experiences with wirefly ended in chaos because we decided to send back the droidx and keep the incredible, and they stated that we broke the contract. Tried to charge me $200 and I told them to eff themselces. No problems since and they dropped the charge
Hit thanks or ill hit you
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If anyone actually read their amazon agreement it CLEARLY states, that you agree to keep the line of service active for no less than 180 days.
Use a little common sense people. Lets say your phone gets stolen and you don't have insurance. Amazon can't just randomly force/expect you to automatically have a backup phone that supports data/text just to satisfy their terms or they charge you an ETF. Legally speaking something like that would NEVER hold up in court unless they forced you to get deductible free insurance, which to my knowledge doesn't exist. Bottom line, read what you sign. This thread needs to be closed before it leads to needless paranoia.
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You are correct . it states keep the line active no less than 180 days. However doesn't say anything about features, like data plan or the phone itself. It just says line of service. So what these guys are doing is keeping service on by putting a dumb phone on the line and pay$9.99 without data. However, wirefly doesn't mention about keeping data plans and not transferring phones among the family lines
Update: as of earlier today Best Buy was out of Silver and you could only order the Black one if you had a Best Buy location within 250 miles of a zip code you entered so that you could physically pick the phone up. i.e. They weren't offering shipping them any longer.
Speculation: Best Buy is dumping their remaining inventory of all regular Pixels (they only carry the 32GB models) and they they already sold all the ones in their warehouses.
Thanks to @xdabbeb for making me aware of this.
I bought two.
You may have to retry website buttons multiple times to get the deal to work if their website is still being slammed. Also even when it says sold out on Slickdeals, you can still order it. This morning when I ordered mine, the get by date was Dec 6th for silver and 7th for black.
In my case I also had to order one at a time and the second one I had to use incognito mode in Chrome even though I upgraded a different line on the same Verizon account and both times I logged into the same Best Buy account.
I attribute all site weirdness to the Black Friday internet traffic.
$9.99 /mo. for 24 months
without having to pay the full monthly price and waiting for credit. Less than $240 total.
https://slickdeals.net/f/9417827-be...-32gb-memory-cell-phone-9-99-mo-for-24-months
@45Wheelgun I saw your post in the other thread but this deal is so good I wanted to make sure it wasn't buried.
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Thanks to @xdabbeb for making me aware of this.
@45Wheelgun I saw your post in the other thread but this deal is so good I wanted to make sure it wasn't buried.
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Kevin - could you contact me via PM or email? I had a couple of questions I wanted to ask you concerning this deal. We are both in Columbus and I would value your insight.
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In addition to this already great deal - for Cyber Monday (Sunday?) BB is now offering a $100 BB Gift Card on top of the $240 Price. Making your total cost $140 Make me wish I had waited.
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In addition to this already great deal - for Cyber Monday (Sunday?) BB is now offering a $100 BB Gift Card on top of the $240 Price. Making your total cost $140 Make me wish I had waited.
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I just found that out too, wow! Me too, but oh well, one of mine has already shipped. I could cancel the other since it hasn't shipped and do the deal but there's a chance Verizon wouldn't consider me able to upgrade that line, at least for a day or so.
Can you really buy the Google Pixel, cancel with Verizon and use it with T-Mobile without having to deal with Verizon legal (early termination fees, etc) ?
Read a few comments in the thread. There are people that say "No problem", others say "Check the fine print, they will make you pay the full price".
This deal makes sense for Verizon if people open a new account/line and stay for 2 years. But in this case it is how the ol' phone subsidization model look in 2016.
I doubt that Verizon has left room to buy the phone, cancel the line and bring it to another network without charging fees and screwing your credit.
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Here you go: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/clp/ver...at748301462624.c?id=pcmcat748301462624&rdct=n
Activation/Upgrade Fees
Activation Fee: $40/line.
Upgrade Fee: $40/device.
Early Termination Fees
The early termination fee is up to $175, or up to $350 if your contract term results from your purchase of an advanced device (e.g., a smartphone).
There's no contract if you pay the phone off, it's not a two year contract, it's merely a contract to pay $9.99 a month for 24 months and once you pay it off, that's fulfilled. If you're creating a new line to get the phone, then whatever costs Verizon imposes to create the line, if any, in addition the activation fee which would happen for a new or existing line (Verizon seems to sometimes call the activation fee an upgrade fee lately) would be the only thing additional besides the tax for your overall cost.
I believe it was @45Wheelgun in the other thread who said he paid the phones off as soon as they shipped.
It *shouldn't* be any problem, but I don't believe anything until I see it for myself, and I might try it and see what happens to get a third one this time with the $100 gift card deal, but not sure yet.
FYI, my "upgrade fee" was $20 per phone, and the same "upgrade fee" was referred to as "activation fee" elsewhere, so I believe they're one in the same, although Verizon is less than transparent about this and has caused me confusion before. I'm on the most recently available Verizon Plan.
@45Wheelgun references this walkthrough for how to do it:
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=92290907&postcount=1562
His original post is at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69793678&postcount=45
And "Proof", which is pretty convincing but in the end is merely "strong evidence": https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=92266531&postcount=1419
I just tried to add a line, all looked good, of course it said there would be a $20 a month smartphone access charge on the new line but once I paid the phone off I'd be able to cancel the line. However, the main Pixel page on Best Buy's site says 1) Silver isn't available at all and 2) Black "Shipping:Not Available". I went through the process as far as I could take it anyway and indeed it won't let me do the final checkout without selecting a store, but it tells me there are no stores within 250 miles to pick one up at, so it seems we're at an impasse, and basically maybe Best Buy is trying to dump what little remains of local Pixel stock, wherever they are.
Same issue here. Currently in CA visiting family but also checked my zip code in Portland, OR. No stores within 250 miles.
Also stopped by the local Best Buy and they had no Pixels in stock.
MyRCode said:
Same issue here. Currently in CA visiting family but also checked my zip code in Portland, OR. No stores within 250 miles.
Also stopped by the local Best Buy and they had no Pixels in stock.
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My friend who was the one who made me aware of both the original and the new deal said that this morning it said he could still pick one up locally but that now they're just not available. I checked a few zip codes I was familiar with as well just out of curiosity.
so If I find it in store, sign up for a new account, pay first month, pay off device, can I then use it with my T-Mobile line?
There are no early termination fees if you pick the 24 month Device Payment Plan (DPP). You will have three choices to purchase the phone:
DPP: 9.99/month 24 months
Contract: $199.99 + 24Month Verizon Service Contract
Outright purchase: $650
Any text you see about contracts or ETFs are in reference to the Contract option and have nothing to do with the DPP option. When you get to the purchase agreement you will see it states you are paying the "full price" of $239.76 for the phone and that is the installment agreement you are "signing". In that contract it clearly states there are no penalties for paying it off early. Only penalties it speaks of are if you DON"T pay your installments on time.
DPP is nothing but a 24 Month 0 Interest load. Think 24 months same as cash with the purchase price being $239.76 +TAX
I purchased 2 on Thursday as 2 separate transactions, one as an upgrade and the other as "add a line". Billed for Sales tax on $239.76 (~$17) As soon as they shipped on Friday I paid them off. That immediately restored my "upgrade" account and I will not need to "add a line" as the phones have been paid in full. I received an Email from Verizon notifying me that my DPP contracts were "Paid in Full" and Closed.
My phones will be delivered tomorrow. There has been no change in my plan, all discounts and extras accrued over the years as still in place. I'm unclear at this point if I will need to activate them. If so there will be a $20 activation fee. I'll know sometime tomorrow.
I went back today when I saw the additional $100 and was able to walk through the entire process as an "upgrade" so as far as my account is concerned "it never happened". I even had Verizon offer me $330+ to use it as a trade in!
I do not think you will have any problems if you just add a line but if you create a new account they may want you to either return the phone, paying the full price for it or $350 EFT.
Whatever... it would not be worth it considering the additional fees.
People were mentioning this after looking at the fine print that you agree on and talking with sale managers.
There is also a hard pull of your credit for a new customer, so I do not want to do that and end up reading in the fine print that I must stay with Verizon for 2yr in order to get the Pixel for $130.
Not sure what to do. Did somebody look at all the things that they ask you to sign or can post screenshots?
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I do not think you will have any problems if you just add a line but if you create a new account they may want you to either return the phone, paying the full price for it or $350 EFT.
Not sure what to do. Did somebody look at all the things that they ask you to sign or can post screenshots?
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Did you look at the link I gave a few posts up (first page I think) with the link to the "proof/evidence" that there will be no ETF if you pay off the phone. I believe it, for what it's worth, but can't take advantage of it any more than I already did since there are no stores within 250 miles of me to pick it up, which is the only option now. I'll add that to the OP when I can.
Yeah... I saw a bunch of posts of that guy, DEEE. He has been active on that thread for 3 days no stop. There are some funny flames He wants to be the "go-to person". He also does everything to shut up who contradicts him. Either he needs some attentions or somebody must pay him to be there and do the promotion.
A few people keep saying "check the contract. It is just $240." but a few others found something off. Check the posts related to this one:
https://slickdeals.net/f/9417827-be...es-100-bb-e-gift-card?p=92444587#post92444587
What I got from that:
- At checkout you sign both DPP and the https://www.verizonwireless.com/legal/notices/customer-agreement/
- The DPP (that is titled "RETAIL INSTALLMENT CONTRACT") says you are subject to the Verizon agreement too. So you need to interpret them together.
- The conclusion seems to be:
1) If you leave Verizon before 14 days then you have to return the phone (or pay full amount for it)
2) If you leave after 14 days you have to pay other $350.
Verizon lawyers are not dumb.
Either somebody that studied law can interpret those contracts and tell me that everything is fine or I will stay out of this deal. It is not $240 vs $250, it is $240 vs $700.
Updated the OP: as of earlier today Best Buy was out of Silver and you could only order the Black one if you had a Best Buy location within 250 miles of a zip code you entered so that you could physically pick the phone up. i.e. They weren't offering shipping them any longer.
Speculation: Best Buy is dumping their remaining inventory of all regular Pixels (they only carry the 32GB models) and they they already sold all the ones in their warehouses.
Completely sold out of all the Best Buys in Portland, OR
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