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I rooted my Vibrant using the one click lag fix in the android market. When i heard about the ota i removed the lag fix and unrooted my phone. When i was rooted i used Titanium Backup to delete Telenav Gps, and Amazon Mp3. Would This Cause any problems when i update? Those were the only bloatware apps i removed everything else is completely stock. I know i can get amazon from the market but what about telenav? Im confused
The ota should reinstall telanav shouldnt be a problem ... Or you can always reflash jdf, thru odin...
What is jfd? Sorry but im not all that smart when it comes to android, im studying to try and learn everything. I downloaded the vibrant dump and i have all the original apk's that came with the phone. Is it possible to push them back to the system/apps folder? If so how?
Fair warning: I've never rooted a phone before. I've dabbled in ADB with my nook color, but am far from comfortable with it. I installed Honeycomb on the nook color, then decided to just go simple with autonooter.
Now, I'm thinking of rooting my new Thunderbolt. Mostly because I'd like to get rid of all of the bloatware and try to get all of the performance out of my phone as I can get. After having the Droid1 for a couple of years, I do not want to see my phone get laggy like my D1 did.
So here come the beginner questions: once I root the phone, I know I need to get ROM Manager and Titanium Backup. Those apps will let me be able to get back all of my data and preferences, etc once I switch ROMs right?
What else will I need after rooting? Is it a simple process to flash a new ROM?
Can anyone suggest a (mostly) stock ROM that just gets rid of the bloatware and gives the phones performance a boost?
Also, does a rooted phone require a lot of maintenance? For instance, will I have to be updating ROMS often? Also, if an OTA comes out for non-rooted phones, do these updates get worked into the ROMs quickly? I dont want to be without a necessary update, ya know?
Last question: Once I root my phone, should I just cancel the insurance on the phone? Or does "voiding the warranty" only mean that VZW wont fix it for free?
Thanks!
First off, I highly recommend following this rooting method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616 and not using the easy root method. If you have any problems at all, you can log into http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951190 and get some help. I also highly recommend reading up a bit on ADB, what it is and how it works http://www.xda-developers.com/android/adb-easy-tutorial/
Then...once you get rooted use ROM Manager to flash the clockworkmod recovery. In ROM Manager there's a little fix that everyone's been doing: open ROM Manager, menu>clear download cache, then settings>erase recovery. Then do your backup before you do anything else like flashing another ROM. Use Titanium to backup all your apps. I recommend the paid versions of both since you will be using them a lot.
Added: What I usually do the first time: Root, backup rom, install debloated rom, set everything up like I want it and then backup again. Each time I flash a new ROM, I create a backup of it all set up and with the name so that I can easily switch back and forth. I like change
The basic debloat rom is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000103
It's easy to flash a new ROM, just download the one you want, put it on your sdcard and then use ROM Manager to 'install from sdcard'
You are going to be flashing ROMs left and right because they come out so fast. Each time an update is out, it'll be put into a ROM and released for all of us here so that you stay current. Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
I would not recommend getting rid of your insurance, it is different than the warranty and you can get your phone replaced if it's ever damaged. I've used it 3 times now all on rooted phones. It indeed will void the warranty.
Happy rooting!
^ +1. I did use the easy root method and had no problems with it but it is truly still hit or miss. I am sure it will get better as more developers start pushing new stuff out.
Good luck
Thanks for the reply!
Why dont you recommend using the easy root method that I've been reading so much about? I realize it has some faults, but I'm planning on waiting until an updated version comes out. I'm a bit afraid to brick my phone while trying to root the phone myself.
Also, after rooting, how can i do a backup of my apps? Doesnt rooting wipe all of the data on my phone?
Learning ADB would be helpful...I must admit, I am an easy root junkie. I just don't have the time to learn ADB. Maybe someday that will change.
Rooting will wipe your phone and I use Titanium Backup to back up my apps. It does make it a lot easier once you start flashing ROMs on a daily basis
Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Thanks! After watching a video of someone rooting, I think I will be able to do the non-easy method.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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Thanks.
So to answer my previous question: When rooting, I'm still going to lose all of my current information including apps, sms, etc. However, its good to backup my phone before installing the debloated rom.
Is that correct?
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
CorporateGoth said:
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
pman555 said:
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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you don't open the files. The exploit one is the one you unpackage to your tools directory. The other you will put on your sdcard when told too. you can join #root and get help if you want.
as far as apps, the market 'should' reload all your apps when you wipe data just give it time. Then use titanium to back them all up.
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
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I like that one
jawonder said:
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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ADB is learning what you are doing to your phone instead of letting a program do it for you. Copy/paste is just so there are no typos if you don't feel as comfortable typing it all out. I recommend reading up on ADB so that you have a bit of knowledge of what you are doing.
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
Irish Whiskey said:
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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Titanium backup only works after you're rooted.
You can use a program like Mybackup Pro to backup stuff like sms mms, etc.
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As a first time rooter myself, I ended up doing the original root process. The well written instructions helped me not to feel paranoid and I breezed through the steps. While, I was confident in rooting the phone because of the instructions, I don't feel so confident post root because I don't know how to do many of the elements like flash roms, kernels, apply mods, etc. So my question is, are there any guides for flashing new roms and the steps taken before and after? For instance, let's say I wanted to flash adrynalyne's no bloat rom, and his mod package, how do I go about doing it? Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
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If I root and remove bloatware manually, will OTA updates occur automatically, or do I have the option of blocking them. Would they re-install all of the bloatware I removed?
Hi guys. been a while since I rooted my legend..
After jumping from htc`s -> lg(crap) -> samsung`s to motorola razr I`ve decided to stay. I love this phone, been a while since I got this feeling. It seems the manufacturers are releasing new models every week now.
But I want to root my Razr so I can freeze some bloatware. Hate all that crap the manufacturers keep shoving down our throats.
But when reading page up and page down in these forums I get confused about all the abbrivations and terms. Could somebody point me where to look or explain a little?
I`ve visited the faq, wiki, android general and couldnt find any "low level" answers..
-root, will i be able to receive OTA (ICS when it arrives)
-bootloaders, safestrap, bootstrap etc.. what does these mean?
-what do i have to do to keep it safe and "toy around a little" without bricking it? cwm/titanium/nandroid backup, do i need all these? what is the way to go, can i do a complete backup with all apps and settings even in widgets?
sorry for all the questions, but the search functions and threads are quite overwhelming..
and thumbs up for all devs and people that make XDA so great.. i am happy to donate via paypal to these people! keep up the good work..
(if i posted this in the worng forum, i apologize in advance)
buljo said:
Hi guys. been a while since I rooted my legend..
After jumping from htc`s -> lg(crap) -> samsung`s to motorola razr I`ve decided to stay. I love this phone, been a while since I got this feeling. It seems the manufacturers are releasing new models every week now.
But I want to root my Razr so I can freeze some bloatware. Hate all that crap the manufacturers keep shoving down our throats.
But when reading page up and page down in these forums I get confused about all the abbrivations and terms. Could somebody point me where to look or explain a little?
I`ve visited the faq, wiki, android general and couldnt find any "low level" answers..
-root, will i be able to receive OTA (ICS when it arrives)
-bootloaders, safestrap, bootstrap etc.. what does these mean?
-what do i have to do to keep it safe and "toy around a little" without bricking it? cwm/titanium/nandroid backup, do i need all these? what is the way to go, can i do a complete backup with all apps and settings even in widgets?
sorry for all the questions, but the search functions and threads are quite overwhelming..
and thumbs up for all devs and people that make XDA so great.. i am happy to donate via paypal to these people! keep up the good work..
(if i posted this in the worng forum, i apologize in advance)
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You should post un Q&A forum.
But i'll answer to you anyway.
so if you're still in 2.3.5 it's really easy to root just head to this thread:
Windows :::
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1341578
Linux:::
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342567
1) Root wont break OTA (it will if you install custom ROM)
2) With this root method you have BOOTSTRAP, wich install custom recovery(cwm) i dont really know the difference between this and safestrap, i used only bootstrap.
3) The better way (in my opinion) is to use this root method, install bootstrap and reboot to recovery and do a backup. After this you can play around with titanium backup freeze bloatware etc...
Have fun with your razr it's a master piece!
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It is simple, If your Thread title can be written in form of a question, it does not belong to development section.
Have a nice day.
thanks for answer.
good about receiving OTA`s..
what is bootstrap exactly?
on the rooting you provided the link to, the OP mentions it is adviced to an adb pull/system?
also, is the backup stored on the SD or internal? should i make a "goldcard" or is that only for model specific phones?
thanks..
buljo said:
thanks for answer.
good about receiving OTA`s..
what is bootstrap exactly?
on the rooting you provided the link to, the OP mentions it is adviced to an adb pull/system?
also, is the backup stored on the SD or internal? should i make a "goldcard" or is that only for model specific phones?
thanks..
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Boot strap is a way of running new firmwares, without actually installing it to the system folders/partitions. A little like running two OS:es on the same computer.
Pulling adb system is doing a backup of your system folder, since there are almost no .sbf files out, recovering can be difficult if you delete the wrong things.
(an .sbf is essentially a "recovery cd" for your phone.)
Safest way to do it, is simply:
Don't delete apps in system folder. Only use "freeze" in whatever root uninstaller you decide to use.
Yahoo and blur apps must not be altered, you can't make calls without them as it is now.
The most important tweak is IMO, killing Google maps, as it runs in the background.
A Goldcard is unnecessary on this phone, since it has the "app to sd" partition built in.
ed: No automatic backup is done, it's up to you. (I didn't do one and had to reinstall with a .sbf) >_<
thanks for the excellent explanation..
so bootstrap makes the system files avaiable and untouched as long as i dont delete them?
also killing google maps, then i would not have actual google maps or navigation on my phone? i use this application now and then..
Am I right in saying that once you have rooted and have CWM recovery that you could do a NANDroid backup as soon as you have rooted, and copy this comewhere safe on your pc in order that if you make a boo boo and it won't OTA update, you can then do a TB of all your current apps / data, boot into CWM, restore your NANDroid backup which should take your phone "back in time" to the point just after you rooted, and restore your apps / data after installing TB from the market, THEN receive the OTA?
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ok, i`ve rooted the Razr, installed bootstrap and adb pull / system.
but one thing i think i might have done wrong..?
i`ve enabled safe system in the recovery menu. and it took a backup of my system to the emmc..
then i rebooted and nothing happened. held down power and volume down for 6 seconds. a little flicker came and was able to go back to safe menu and disable the safe mode.
booted up normal.
im guessing i am missing something here. a partition to boot or something?
edit 2. okay, i obviously need a rom.. can i use my original rom?
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Am I right in saying that once you have rooted and have CWM recovery that you could do a NANDroid backup as soon as you have rooted, and copy this comewhere safe on your pc in order that if you make a boo boo and it won't OTA update, you can then do a TB of all your current apps / data, boot into CWM, restore your NANDroid backup which should take your phone "back in time" to the point just after you rooted, and restore your apps / data after installing TB from the market, THEN receive the OTA?
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Sounds about right, yep. =)
is it possible to get my 2.3.5 stock android out of the phone as an update.zip so i can use it as my 2nd system with bootstrap?
got the bootstrap succesfully, but got no rom to play with..
OK, I'm a noob and made the noob mistake of deleting (rather than freezing) some system apps after rooting. Won't make that mistake again.
I do not have backups nor am I completely sure which apps are missing. As a result of these missing apps I cannot complete the latest OTA update.
I downloaded a system dump and noted a few apk files in it that were not on my system though I believe that there are other apk files missing which are not in the system dump (MyLibrary, WebStorage etc) so I am not sure the particular system dump I got is up to date.
Copying the apk files to my system\app folder did not help, the update still fails.
I seem to recall seeing instructions somewhere for manual installation via power/down volume which would allow you to see a text dump of the update with reports of missing files or mismatched CRC's. I cannot find this again but such a thing would help me determine what is missing so that I can then attempt to find replacement apk files.
Sorry for being such a noob. Can anyone help?
Thanks
Made the same mistake when upgrading to ICS from Honeycomb...
If you get the previous update (the one your running now) from the Asus website, extract the update file and place it in one of the folders on the tablet, (I forgot which folder, sorry...) reboot and the tab will recognize it and prompt you to update. Once that update is finished installing, you should have all your bloat back. Delete the update file from the tab since you don't need it anymore, and then try to update to the most recent OTA Update.
Just do a search in the TFP forums and you should find complete instructions on how to do this.
I'm just assuming this will work for ICS to ICS... because it worked for me when I updated to ICS to Honeycomb...
Hope this method works for you.
I had the same issue.
Download:
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/EeePAD/TF201/US_epaduser9_4_2_11UpdateLauncher.zip
Once downloaded, extract the contents of the zip file (yes, its another zip file of the same name inside) to your MICRO SD. put your micro SD in your TF201 (or eject and re-insert if you copied via cable)
Once the card is mounted you will see a triangle with an "!" in the notification area. Touch the notification and it will open a dialogue to install the manual update.
You will lose root, even with OTA Rootkeeper.
Re-root your device. Install OTA Rootkeeper if you have not already. Run Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper. Protect your su.
Check for updates. Install .13 OTA.
$$$
Should be a lesson learned. Stop messing with system apps. Always causes problems one way or another. The apps included are nothing to even be considered bloat. I still have everything installed n prime super fast. If anything just freeze the apps, never delete them unless u always want to have failed OTA.
demandarin said:
Should be a lesson learned. Stop messing with system apps. Always causes problems one way or another. The apps included are nothing to even be considered bloat. I still have everything installed n prime super fast. If anything just freeze the apps, never delete them unless u always want to have failed OTA.
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I agree completely, and my lesson is learned. But why on earth would a freaking E-reader app be a system app?
That was my hangup. AsusReader a/k/a the My Library app.
And mine was backed up with Titanium, which obviously bungled it since it would not restore.
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I agree completely, and my lesson is learned. But why on earth would a freaking E-reader app be a system app?
That was my hangup. AsusReader a/k/a the My Library app.
And mine was backed up with Titanium, which obviously bungled it since it would not restore.
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I went through the same thing on my Atrix phone. Rooted n went messing around deleting at&t bloatware. It killed my OTA updating. That's why now I'm still on froyo on it. Never bothered to manually update it. Still works great on froyo though. But I learned my lesson from that.
demandarin said:
I went through the same thing on my Atrix phone. Rooted n went messing around deleting at&t bloatware. It killed my OTA updating. That's why now I'm still on froyo on it. Never bothered to manually update it. Still works great on froyo though. But I learned my lesson from that.
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Your still on froyo... why not just flash a sbf file to return to stock? Or better yet, unlock the boot loader and get yourself CM7 already.
Messing with system files isn't a big deal, as long as you have a backup.
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Yep, this did the trick. Thanks very much.
Lesson learned, don't mess with the system apps.
ok, so i just rooted and unlocked my phone, and i am gonna start removing some bloatware from the phone, but am concerned because i don't want to delete an app that i think is bloatware, but it is tied into another appp and then both apps won't work.
for example, if i delete viewdini, i don't know if that will affect how i watch videos on the phone.
so what i am asking is basically if there is a list of all the stock samsung/amazon/google/verizon bloatware apps that i can safely delete?
thanks!
just downloaded the file from the cleanrom build of what scott removed... is it safe to say if i remove these i will be ok?
The pro version of titanium backup is ideal for this. You can freeze apps before you remove them to find out if they're important or not. I don't know of an official cheat sheet of what's safe to remove but if you look at ROMs and what the devs have removed, that's a good start to let you know what you can do without.
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If you delete an application you will NOT get Verizon phone updates. It's better to freeze the applications with Titanium Backup.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2298150
this thread contains a list of apps safe that are supposed to be safe to remove. remove them at your own risk.
Excellent, thank you all for the help! I deleted the obvious bloatware last night, I will delve into the others at a later time.
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Excellent, thank you all for the help! I deleted the obvious bloatware last night, I will delve into the others at a later time.
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Deleted or froze? If you deleted you better habe a backup or you wont get Verizon updates.
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steveperrry said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2298150
this thread contains a list of apps safe that are supposed to be safe to remove. remove them at your own risk.
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I've just rooted my device for the first time, I'm using Titanium Pro to freeze stuff on this list (I figured freezing would be safest being a noob)...but more than half of them dont even appear in Titanium, and none of the files show .apk on them. Is there another method being used to see these files?
What is the advantage to freezing them vs. disabling them in the regular system manager?
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What is the advantage to freezing them vs. disabling them in the regular system manager?
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Some applications can't be disabled in the system. So you have to freeze them instead. Freezing allows you to unfreeze them if Verizon releases a software update. If you delete them however you will never get a software update.
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Some applications can't be disabled in the system. So you have to freeze them instead. Freezing allows you to unfreeze them if Verizon releases a software update. If you delete them however you will never get a software update.
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The only reason for a sotware uodate is if you plan on staying stock. Mind you verizon will more than likely patch root access and the loki method of bypassing the bootloader in future updates. In my experience rom devs usually stay on top of adding all must have features that would be included in ota updates without loosing root and recovery.
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The only reason for a sotware uodate is if you plan on staying stock. Mind you verizon will more than likely patch root access and the loki method of bypassing the bootloader in future updates. In my experience rom devs usually stay on top of adding all must have features that would be included in ota updates without loosing root and recovery.
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True but someone will always find a new method. Voodo OTA rootkeeper might even work to restore it.
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