Hi,
with WiMo i was able to play podcasts (h264/aac, 368x208, ~200kBit/s) somewhat smooth with TCMP. With android i get - well - with some luck a frame per minute. I would have said its because of a incomplete/non-optimized GPU-Driver but Youtube (SD) plays fine so for me this looks more like a codec/app-issue. Has anyone already looked for a solution? Any tips on codecs/apps that should work?
SD works, yes. HD/HQ youtube does not however, and I think it's related to a scaling issue.
We're not done with the port... I think this is a pretty minor bug considering the other major ones we have out there....
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SD works, yes. HD/HQ youtube does not however, and I think it's related to a scaling issue.
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...hm… for me exactly this looked like a codec-thing… i dont know the mobile side but for pc i remember something like VP6 for SD and X264 for HD on Youtube. But thanks for the tip, i'll look into this direction too.
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We're not done with the port...
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…and it will never be completely done - otherwise there would be no need for our lovely legacy-forums here
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I think this is a pretty minor bug considering the other major ones we have out there....
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As you already said in another thread: Everyone has his own priorities
Just see this thread as my notepad - i collect my results/ideas here, if someone has made own tests he can add his results and if someone wants to have a look on his own he knows what has been tried already…
B2T: With the described movie i have about 10-20% free CPU-cycles so this should not be the bottleneck. hw3d has no effect (guess this doesnt really affect 2d acceleration). Changing from fullscreen/stretched to original size showed also no difference
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Just see this thread as my notepad - i collect my results/ideas here, if someone has made own tests he can add his results and if someone wants to have a look on his own he knows what has been tried already…
B2T: With the described movie i have about 10-20% free CPU-cycles so this should not be the bottleneck. hw3d has no effect (guess this doesnt really affect 2d acceleration). Changing from fullscreen/stretched to original size showed also no difference
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Not a bad idea, I'd like to see this bug squashed.
I've heard it was a scaling issue - have you tried different resolutions? I know someone tried the native resolution of our RHOD, but that didn't work either... I guess I'd be surprised if it is codec, as you can get frozen frames on YouTube HQ and audio plays just fine. I am by no means an expert here tho .
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Not a bad idea, I'd like to see this bug squashed.
I've heard it was a scaling issue - have you tried different resolutions? I know someone tried the native resolution of our RHOD, but that didn't work either... I guess I'd be surprised if it is codec, as you can get frozen frames on YouTube HQ and audio plays just fine. I am by no means an expert here tho .
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I am no expert either but would not the codec be contained in the software such as Utube. And the Multimedia architecture would mostly bypass the Processor. So the problem to me would seem to be routing and timing issue. Thus the beggining frames play but stop due to the loss of coordination.
BigOnes69 said:
I am no expert either but would not the codec be contained in the software such as Utube. And the Multimedia architecture would mostly bypass the Processor. So the problem to me would seem to be routing and timing issue. Thus the beggining frames play but stop due to the loss of coordination.
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I don't even get any frames to play at the beginning.
It starts with a black screen with audio...
If I skip ahead, I can randomly get freezes of images, but that's about it.
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I don't even get any frames to play at the beginning.
It starts with a black screen with audio...
If I skip ahead, I can randomly get freezes of images, but that's about it.
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What you say supports what I am saying about routing and timing. I am thinking in general terms not specifics and I am no expert.
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What you say supports what I am saying about routing and timing. I am thinking in general terms not specifics and I am no expert.
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I would think its the processors job to coordinate the frame of reference for the timing. The actual MMS stuff would use that frame of reference to process the video according to the codec provided in the software. The routing and or timing could be screwed because HTC needs a way to get around patent laws. The could have done something as simple as changed polarity or phase or something more complicated as recode with another chip. The audio would works because its simple to process. Our drivers are not doing what needs to be done to process the information. It would have nothing to do with the codec which is contained in the software. Like I said I am guessing.
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I would think its the processors job to coordinate the frame of reference for the timing. The actual MMS stuff would use that frame of reference to process the video according to the codec provided in the software. The routing and or timing could be screwed because HTC needs a way to get around patent laws. The could have done something as simple as changed polarity or phase or something more complicated as recode with another chip. The audio would works because its simple to process. Our drivers are not doing what needs to be done to process the information. It would have nothing to do with the codec which is contained in the software. Like I said I am guessing.
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Then again the Architecture in our older phones might not be fast enough to process the HQ resolutions.
No, this isn't a question of processing power, it's a matter of having the right codecs installed. I've seen Youtube HQ working on my phone before, running one of tiad8's FroyoX builds with camera kernel, months ago.
The behavior you see where you can skip around and see one good frame, but otherwise nothing, is caused by the actual encoding of the video, and the current codec lacking support for it. (The difference between B frames, I frames, and P frames, if you care to look that up...)
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No, this isn't a question of processing power, it's a matter of having the right codecs installed. I've seen Youtube HQ working on my phone before, running one of tiad8's FroyoX builds with camera kernel, months ago.
The behavior you see where you can skip around and see one good frame, but otherwise nothing, is caused by the actual encoding of the video, and the current codec lacking support for it. (The difference between B frames, I frames, and P frames, if you care to look that up...)
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Interesting.
So what do we need to do to get the codec support? I'm assuming the kernel clocks are finally right as well...
found it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYW1DIi4ZzY
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found it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYW1DIi4ZzY
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That is based off of Tiads cut and paste Blazn if I am correct which was good for video playback but everything else was buggy. This proves HQ can work on our phones.
My question here is wouldnt the Codec that was required by the utube app. be contained within that app. or if it was not when it tried to play back and the codec was missing you would get nothing or a reference to download the required codec such as happens with other operating systems.
Or if the codec is contained in our current version intact. Then it is not referencing the codec properly which goes back to what I originally said about timing and the coordination with the MMS architecture on the phone. It looks as though Tiad had found the proper channeling. Did he leave anyone any information about this before he left this forumn?
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That is based off of Tiads cut and paste Blazn if I am correct which was good for video playback but everything else was buggy. This proves HQ can work on our phones.
My question here is wouldnt the Codec that was required by the utube app. be contained within that app. or if it was not when it tried to play back and the codec was missing you would get nothing or a reference to download the required codec such as happens with other operating systems.
Or if the codec is contained in our current version intact. Then it is not referencing the codec properly which goes back to what I originally said about timing and the coordination with the MMS architecture on the phone. It looks as though Tiad had found the proper channeling. Did he leave anyone any information about this before he left this forumn?
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He never gave anyone anything useful from his builds.
He was just slapping stuff together, and would see what stuck to the wall.
I heard people had issues with his builds on HQ youtube, and I even tested his junk and wasn't able to get HQ to work... so I think it's just more BS from him.
yankees2450 said:
another junk from tiad8
could this be true?
http://www.neopeek.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6544
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There's a reason he's banned here. Let's not repost more of his crap here, thanks.
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I've heard it was a scaling issue - have you tried different resolutions?
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Well... Most of my podcast have different resolutions and none worked so far. Also should scaling not be disabled when the Player is set to "original size"?
BigOnes69 said:
I am no expert either but would not the codec be contained in the software such as Utube.
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I dont know for youtube but most 3rd party video-players i've seen say that supported codecs are device dependent so i guess they are in the rootfs, not the app.
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because HTC needs a way to get around patent laws
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OK, maybe, but afair do most companys not charge people/companys for playback - only encoding… And "free" codecs like theora or webm would not be affected
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As said: 20% cpu left and works on Wimo -
I've managed to get "working" video with ffmpeg's default avi-output (think it was divx/mp3) but colors where disorted. My android died yesterday and i had no time to reinstall so i could not test further atm.
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OK, maybe, but afair do most companys not charge people/companys for playback - only encoding… And "free" codecs like theora or webm would not be affected
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I think I remember reading the issue the with getting decent video playback wit the MSM GPU is is getting information on the hardware. The codec used to play HQ video on Windows mobile comes from HTC and is written specifically for the MSM7x chipset using proprietary information - information which is not available to everyone, or can only become available for a price and an NDA.
Perhaps there is binary blob that can be used?
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I think I remember reading the issue the with getting decent video playback wit the MSM GPU is is getting information on the hardware. The codec used to play HQ video on Windows mobile comes from HTC and is written specifically for the MSM7x chipset using proprietary information - information which is not available to everyone, or can only become available for a price and an NDA.
Perhaps there is binary blob that can be used?
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Perhaps a binary blob could be dug up, but we couldn't use it in the AOSP builds. Only custom builds would be able to use it, or individuals will just have to integrate it themselves.
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Perhaps a binary blob could be dug up, but we couldn't use it in the AOSP builds. Only custom builds would be able to use it, or individuals will just have to integrate it themselves.
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That would be fine with me.
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That would be fine with me.
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Ok... My point is, source is preferred.
If we can't get source, so be it - but a proprietary blob does very little good in the scope of this type of project. I want everyone to have the best Android experience possible, I don't want just a few builds working correctly and others borked. That sucks.
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just to clear things up before my 101 arrives in a few days : is the cinema plugin needed only for the mpeg2/ac3 5.1 combo or also for mpeg2 video in combination with some other type audio, and ac3 5.1 audio in combination with some other type video? in other words, is any of the two in a media file enough for the cinema plugin to be needed or do they both have to be present? h.264/ac3 5.1 combo works without the plugin? i guess not but i'd like to make certain...
thanks!
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in other words, is any of the two in a media file enough for the cinema plugin to be needed
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yes.
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h.264/ac3 5.1 combo works without the plugin?
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no.
thanks for the answer!
now, i have several video clips with h.264/ac3 5.1 in an mkv container. i'm trying to transcode these clips into mkvs or mp4s with the same video stream (so, video direct stream copy) and transcoded audio to either ac3 2.0 or aac that archos supports without the cinema plugin. none of the transcoders i tried seemed to be able to do this: mediacoder, super, handbrake (i'm not even sure if handbrake supports direct video stream copy, i wasn't able to find it) - they all failed. has anyone tried to do this and can recommend a good transcoder? i don't want to re-encode the video, just the audio stream.
thanks!
try vlc, ok it's a bit complicated but it definitly supports reuse of streams on the fly.
and do not reencode to ac3, afaik ac3 is completely depending on the cinema plugin
You can also use rock player free, although it leaves buttons on edge
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You can also use rock player free, although it leaves buttons on edge
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AFAIK no hw accel at all, right?
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AFAIK no hw accel at all, right?
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yes, i read that everything above 540p is choppy without hw accel on a101.
i used a workaround that works but it's not ideal: i demuxed the ac3 5.1 audio stream from the mkv and re-encoded it into aac, then remuxed it back into the mkv. this works but it would be nice to have a one-step process to do this. i'm not sure what goes wrong with all the transcoders if you use direct video stram copying, i must be doing something wrong ... i'll be grateful if someone has any ideas. oh, and i haven't tried vlc yet - didn't even know it features transcoding, too...
thanks!
...or i'll just buy the freaking cinema plugin, it's only 15€ after all ... it's just that i like fooling around with free tools before i buy something which is not necessary and is something which should've come free with the product imo... oh, well
cheers
You got two options:
a) transcode all your movies/videos and spend couple of hours fooling around (how much $$$ is an hour? )
b) spend 15$ and be happy with the best video player available on archos' android devices
Okay, I have to ask. Can someone give a link to where you can buy the cinema pack? I've been trying to find it at store.archos.com or whatever and I can't find it. And yes...I feel pretty stupid about it since it seems everyone else knows where to buy it.
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Okay, I have to ask. Can someone give a link to where you can buy the cinema pack? I've been trying to find it at store.archos.com or whatever and I can't find it. And yes...I feel pretty stupid about it since it seems everyone else knows where to buy it.
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https://store.archos.com/plugins.php
You have to put in your product key and it should give you the option for the plugin.
Don't feel stupid; the Archos site is awful and half the links don't work right. The above link that blazingwolf posted should work. Note that when you do successfully purchase the pack, you will get a download link presented on the web page - that one does NOT work, or at least it didn't for me... it kept saying invalid product ID.
I had to use the link in the email they sent out after the order was completed. That one downloaded fine.
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https://store.archos.com/plugins.php
You have to put in your product key and it should give you the option for the plugin.
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Thanks Wolf! Or is it Blazing? Either way, thanks. I'm tempted to get it, but on the flip side I'm not sure if I will keep the 101 or upgrade to the Xoom WiFi only tablet. I don't really NEED more than the 101, but you know...in reality I probably didn't even NEED the 101 to begin with. I'm kind of rambling...so I'll post now and put down the keyboard...
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Okay, I have to ask. Can someone give a link to where you can buy the cinema pack? I've been trying to find it at store.archos.com or whatever and I can't find it. And yes...I feel pretty stupid about it since it seems everyone else knows where to buy it.
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Anyone got the new Netflix app to work on their TP2?
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so far i have working audio in the app however no video =(
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so far i have working audio in the app however no video =(
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Same here, even with highlandsun's video codecs it seems we can't play the video.
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Same here, even with highlandsun's video codecs it seems we can't play the video.
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Probably due to same issue with HQ Youtube videos huh?
How can I bypass the "This device is not supported by Netflix" that I get when clicking on a title on my Instant Queue, so I can see if it is working or if it just audio only. Is there a way to spoof the app into thinking I am on a supported phone? If so, please tell me how to do it. Thanks.
There is an apk that will not check for device compatiblity but yeah no video. For me it plays audio and then it kicks out back to the queue. I wish it worked. Anything we can do?
Can't tell anything without knowing what codec / format Netflix is using in this app. I'm sure they're using H.264, but if it's not H.264 Baseline Profile then our phone hardware can't decode it. And if it's larger than 640x360 resolution, our current codec can't handle it.
I don't have a Netflix account so I haven't tried to see what formats they're using.
The current codec we have is written in C++ with threads. I'd say that's at least a 10% performance hit right there; if it was written well, in straight C, it would probably have achieved the 800x480 that Qualcomm's original spec claimed.
Netflix released an updated app today with support for more devices. I get the main screen, then loading, then the playback screen and nothing .... black screen. Nerts.
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Netflix released an updated app today with support for more devices. I get the main screen, then loading, then the playback screen and nothing .... black screen. Nerts.
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I'm not sure what 'nerts' are, but the new video playback libs might be necessary... Anyone with those new libs given this new app a shot?
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I'm not sure what 'nerts' are, but the new video playback libs might be necessary... Anyone with those new libs given this new app a shot?
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nerts = nuts = really mild profanity
I actually have the new libs installed already. I'm running a RHOD500 with the latest kernel, overclocked to 710 Mhz, in case that matters.
Carld256 said:
nerts = nuts = really mild profanity
I actually have the new libs installed already. I'm running a RHOD500 with the latest kernel, overclocked to 710 Mhz, in case that matters.
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So HQ YouTube works?
Why not just say 'nuts'?
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So HQ YouTube works?
Why not just say 'nuts'?
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HQ YouTube works more or less. There's a little stutter sometimes, and some HQ videos start and then stop after 5 or 10 seconds, and some others play just fine. Oh, and the libs fixed video playback of the mp4 movies I already had on my device.
Weird thing is, YouTube under WinMo refuses to play HQ videos at all.
Nerts is funnier.
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HQ YouTube works more or less. There's a little stutter sometimes, and some HQ videos start and then stop after 5 or 10 seconds, and some others play just fine. Oh, and the libs fixed video playback of the mp4 movies I already had on my device.
Weird thing is, YouTube under WinMo refuses to play HQ videos at all.
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IIRC, WinMo plays HQ YouToobs flawlessly.
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Nerts is funnier.
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If you say so, lol.
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IIRC, WinMo plays HQ YouToobs flawlessly.
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It used to. Some time back YouTube changed something, and now HQ videos play without sound (I was thinking they didn't play at all). Supposedly you can fix this by changing your network to "media," but I don't have that option any more since I upgraded to 6.5.
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It used to. Some time back YouTube changed something, and now HQ videos play without sound (I was thinking they didn't play at all). Supposedly you can fix this by changing your network to "media," but I don't have that option any more since I upgraded to 6.5.
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I just rebooted to see. Worked fine for me, I'm on 6.5 - but I used Opera... I don't know if there's some app that I should be using, perhaps it wasn't truly HQ.
Either way, if it used to then there shouldn't be anything limiting the hardware. Seems hyc went thru all that pretty thoroughly tho.
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I just rebooted to see. Worked fine for me, I'm on 6.5 - but I used Opera... I don't know if there's some app that I should be using, perhaps it wasn't truly HQ.
Either way, if it used to then there shouldn't be anything limiting the hardware. Seems hyc went thru all that pretty thoroughly tho.
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I'm using Dot's latest rom dated 04-23-11 and it does play HQ youtube flawlesly, unlike NRG's which for some reason have a little choppy sound while the video plays, or it could just be my old tilt2
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I just rebooted to see. Worked fine for me, I'm on 6.5 - but I used Opera... I don't know if there's some app that I should be using, perhaps it wasn't truly HQ.
Either way, if it used to then there shouldn't be anything limiting the hardware. Seems hyc went thru all that pretty thoroughly tho.
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I was using the HTC YouTube app. I tried it on two different 6.5 TP2s and they both do the same thing, HQ video plays, but no sound.
And your right. I know the hardware is capable, just somewhere along the way something in the software got screwed up on YouTube's end or mine.
Anybody try changing the build.prop to HTC vision or desire z or any of the phones that works with Netflix that's how we have it working already in my section
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I don't think the new version checks to see what model you're running.
The new Netflix app has a LOT of compatibility issues.
They still can't get it working on most Huawei S7 ROMs, and that device can do 720p easily.
Can it be done? The sick flix videos are nice, but they are not correctly encoded with framepacking=3, so they don't show up as 3D. Can I make any video player in CM force the issue?
Thanks.
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Can it be done? The sick flix videos are nice, but they are not correctly encoded with framepacking=3, so they don't show up as 3D. Can I make any video player in CM force the issue?
Thanks.
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Not sure I follow. What do you mean by force 3D video in CM?
Taking a step back, if CM is not configured with the correct display drivers to use the 3D aspect of the display, I'm not sure how you would force?
To be honest, I'm fairly sure this is a complex issue involving closed source HTC code which force the developers to have to reverse engineer HTC's work.
Unfortunately, it is a complex and very time consuming process. Whoever ends up completing this process will have spent a lot of time and is also a very smart person.
Hope that helps give a bit more detail and background!
I mean force in the way that the sense video player allows you to play a video as 3D with a button in the menu when it plays it side by side by default. I was hoping it would be fairly easy to implement this (just set some flag for the hardware decoder or something) but I'm guessing it's not, or at least, we don't know how yet.
CM currently does not have the correct drivers/software to record and display videos and pictures in 3D. The software is open source, and toastcfh is working on getting it working on CM. Last I heard he is making good progress, so its only a matter of time...
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Well right now in CM, if the video is encoded correctly, and hardware decoding is used, it does play in 3D. I've done it. But if the video isn't encoded correctly, or if hardware decoding doesn't work, it plays side by side. I was wondering if there was a known fix, but it seems that there is not yet.
I'll just keep being patient then.
Hi All,
I've been trying to figure out how to get my CM7 NT to stream Netflix in the HD quality of the stock Nook ROM.
I've tried several edits to the build.prop (ro.product.____ and ro.build.___), to no avail.
Are there any specific lines in the current CM7 Internal build.prop that prevent Netflix from streaming in HD, like how the NT comes originally? Or is it some other issue with the CM7 build? Has anybody on CM7 gotten this to work?
Many thanks in advance.
Unless there's been a development I'm not aware of as of right now, you can't, it has to do with the fact that hardware acceleration isn't fully supported in non Stock ROMs. In addition the stock app is believed to be coded differently for the hardware.
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Unless there's been a development I'm not aware of as of right now, you can't, it has to do with the fact that hardware acceleration isn't fully supported in non Stock ROMs. In addition the stock app is believed to be coded differently for the hardware.
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I wish that part about the stock app was true, but the stock app works identically to the version that you get in the Google Play store. Reinstalling the stock version on CM7 via Titanium Backup gets you the same low-quality video and delayed audio that you'd get on the downloaded app.
But hardware acceleration will be here, it's just taking a little while. We're very fortunate to have Rebellos, a recognized XDA developer, joining the new-kernel project. He says he plans to start contributing to the project in about a week.
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But hardware acceleration will be here, it's just taking a little while. We're very fortunate to have Rebellos, a recognized XDA developer, joining the new-kernel project. He says he plans to start contributing to the project in about a week.
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Ah, so it's a hardware acceleration issue then, rather than Netflix<-> build.prop device incompatibility? I thought that was done and fixed in the latest CM7 release?
Also stoked to have Rebellos on board.
i thought cm7 had full HW acceleration- and from using it vs using the rooted nook tablet it DOES play movies Better (i can play/stream a bluray.mp4 file on CM7 Fine, it stutters and hangs using the rooted nook(mx video player streaming over my wireless network for both examples) , it is CM9 that is having problem with the ducati timer conflict with backlight timer....the issue is the hd version of netflix if i remember correctly required the locked bootchain blah blah to get the hd version. not sure if that version will run on cm7 i just installed netflix from googlestore and use that.
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Ah, so it's a hardware acceleration issue then, rather than Netflix<-> build.prop device incompatibility? I thought that was done and fixed in the latest CM7 release?
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i thought cm7 had full HW acceleration- and from using it vs using the rooted nook tablet it DOES play movies Better (i can play/stream a bluray.mp4 file on CM7 Fine, it stutters and hangs using the rooted nook(mx video player streaming over my wireless network for both examples) , it is CM9 that is having problem with the ducati timer conflict with backlight timer....the issue is the hd version of netflix if i remember correctly required the locked bootchain blah blah to get the hd version. not sure if that version will run on cm7 i just installed netflix from googlestore and use that.
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If that were true, I think we'd already have hardware acceleration in CM9. After all, it would mean that source code for a hardware-accelerated graphics driver on the Nook Tablet was available. The whole reason Rebellos is joining the project is because we lack said source code.
Celtic did fix a video performance bug in CM7, but as far as I know it was mainly related to video playback and decoding, not graphics drivers. I might be wrong about that (I'm not a developer myself, I just follow it closely) but that's what the situation looks like right now.
Like I said, there's no difference between the Google Play downloadable Netflix app and the one that comes with your Nook Tablet. The key difference is the underlying firmware - stock, for some reason, gets HD-quality and synced up sound while CM7 gets low-quality and delayed sound. I've been following this one issue closely since it's my one pet peeve with the custom firmware we've got available. Hopefully, though, the devs will sort it out. They all seem like competent and talented folks.
the problem is 99.9% of the universe apparently for cm9(ICS) uses gptimer 11 for ducati...and the backlight some other timer
the nook tablet -currently- HAS to run the backlight on.....gptimer 11, the devs- i believe- have found a ducati on a different timer and they are working on adapting it to run on the nook tablet, once that is fixed- the cm9 devs will progress faster
ZTE advertised A7 with High Quality sound capability on the first place targeting audiophile buyers. The question is that users are satisfied with support what ZTE provide in this subject? Is it OK that Music Player cannot handle metadata in appropriate way, cannot list songs in right order, doesn't show any technical info about material, is laggy and slow after being 8 months on the market? Can't you expect more from an audiophile(?) phone?
Have ZTE done anything to share DAC info with developers in order to make HQ Audio feature available in other Players at least.
To tell true I am very disappointed. And you?
(Please post only audio related issues and opinion!)
obladi64 said:
ZTE advertised A7 with High Quality sound capability on the first place targeting audiophile buyers. The question is that users are satisfied with support what ZTE provide in this subject? Is it OK that Music Player cannot handle metadata in appropriate way, cannot list songs in right order, doesn't show any technical info about material, is laggy and slow after being 8 months on the market? Can't you expect more from an audiophile(?) phone?
Have ZTE done anything to share DAC info with developers in order to make HQ Audio feature available in other Players at least.
To tell true I am very disappointed. And you?
(Please post only audio related issues and opinion!)
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I'm using Play Music app and the DAC is activated as far as i can tell. You don't have to use their Music player.
One issue that bugs me is the inability to change the EQ settings in Dolby atmos, they always revert back to normal and the sliders don't stay where you want them to. Talked to ZTE they said its a software issue and maybe the new update will fix it.
justFaisal said:
I'm using Play Music app and the DAC is activated as far as i can tell. You don't have to use their Music player.
One issue that bugs me is the inability to change the EQ settings in Dolby atmos, they always revert back to normal and the sliders don't stay where you want them to. Talked to ZTE they said its a software issue and maybe the new update will fix it.
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Through OpenSL ES. Unfortunately it converts everything to 48/16 first. Yes, then sound goes to DACs. I don't find direct DAC option in settings or a word about it in guide. If it exists please let me know.
Update: may be check wrong player.
I have found two players with name "Play Music Player". May be there more. What do I choose?
USB Audio Player Pro. Play through Android mode, variable bitrate (gets around the android fixed sampling). Worth the money and uses the built in DAC.
bhazard451 said:
USB Audio Player Pro. Play through Android mode, variable bitrate (gets around the android fixed sampling). Worth the money and uses the built in DAC.
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Luckily it has free trial version.
http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/uapp-trial
It also recognized DSD/DSF file. Of course Player can play DSF in PCM mode but it can payed it in DoP and native mode as well. Hurray, it is believable because AKM chips support DSD.
At this point I though to install Player onto Samsung Note 3 with Snapdragon 800. As I know SD800 doesn't support DSD. The result is same. It sounds in all three modes. After this I don't know what to think. I would think that Player overrides my choice and chooses the first capable mode. I would but why doesn't the fourth auto mode exist? Hmmm.
Update: Looks that DSD setting is only for USB DAC. Too bad. Anyway, the program is not bad at all. Thanks.
I did test and compare stock and USB player. Although UAPP writes that Android gets high sample rate stream, the stock player sounds clearly better. It is no doubt.
Have you tried using PowerAmp? It has built in DAC control and this overrides the Dolby Settings (Dolby app becomes unusable when this is selected in PowerAmp). Sound is great and it has a great way to control the EQ. I've using PowerAmp since my first Android phones and now with this is just awesome!
jimbo77 said:
Have you tried using PowerAmp? It has built in DAC control and this overrides the Dolby Settings (Dolby app becomes unusable when this is selected in PowerAmp). Sound is great and it has a great way to control the EQ. I've using PowerAmp since my first Android phones and now with this is just awesome!
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As I see there is no other option. The only problem is that PA is not free and alpha version doesn't have free trial. Correct me if I am wrong. I had used PA several years ago but it changed the sound badly in flat mode too so I stopped to use it. I hope it has been changed but I'd like to check it first. I am not interested in dolby or EQ.
obladi64 said:
As I see there is no other option. The only problem is that PA is not free and alpha version doesn't have free trial. Correct me if I am wrong. I had used PA several years ago but it changed the sound badly in flat mode too so I stopped to use it. I hope it has been changed but I'd like to check it first. I am not interested in dolby or EQ.
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The PlayStore free version gives you a 14 days trial period. Try it and if you like it I think it's worth the money.
jimbo77 said:
The PlayStore free version gives you a 14 days trial period. Try it and if you like it I think it's worth the money.
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Only version 2 is on GP. As I read only payed v2 can be updated with v3 alpha. Anyway I will try to update free trial.
obladi64 said:
Only version 2 is on GP. As I read only payed v2 can be updated with v3 alpha. Anyway I will try to update free trial.
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You can download v2 and then sign for the beta. It will update to the alpha v3 build 703 and you can still use it for 14 days. You don't need the premium version in order to try the latest build
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You can download v2 and then sign for the beta. It will update to the alpha v3 build 703 and you can still use it for 14 days. You don't need the premium version in order to try the latest build
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OK finally I could manage it. I cannot say anything about quality yet but I would have question. It seems to me that fix sample rate must be preset otherwise app does up or downsample. Isn't there option to send stream to DAC as it is? It is more annoying for me because I listen 88.2/24 materials recently.
obladi64 said:
OK finally I could manage it. I cannot say anything about quality yet but I would have question. It seems to me that fix sample rate must be preset otherwise app does up or downsample. Isn't there option to send stream to DAC as it is? It is more annoying for me because I listen 88.2/24 materials recently.
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I see under Audio options both Resampler and output options. Probably that's what your are looking for?
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I see under Audio options both Resampler and output options. Probably that's what your are looking for?
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Yes, it's ok. The problem is that i cannot set auto sample rate. I don't expext upsampling from PA. I would let this job to be done by dac. I think that's what stock player does.
obladi64 said:
I have found two players with name "Play Music Player". May be there more. What do I choose?
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Oh my bad for the confusion, i was talking about the Google play Music app
justFaisal said:
Oh my bad for the confusion, i was talking about the Google play Music app
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No no no please! This the first app I disable on every phone getting in my hands.
obladi64 said:
I have found two players with name "Play Music Player". May be there more. What do I choose?
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obladi64 said:
No no no please! This the first app I disable on every phone getting in my hands.
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lol i'm no audiophile but i've never had an issue with it. It's simple which i prefer.
justFaisal said:
lol i'm no audiophile but i've never had an issue with it. It's simple which i prefer.
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No problem with that. I hate it not because of sound quality. I don't know whether anything related to sound quality can be set in this app at all but I don't even care. I can accept that others like Google concept but sorry it's not for me at all.
obladi64 said:
Yes, it's ok. The problem is that i cannot set auto sample rate. I don't expext upsampling from PA. I would let this job to be done by dac. I think that's what stock player does.
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I am using PA (bought it) also and afaik the auto samplerate feature is not built in. This might come in a future release but despite the releasedate of the last beta, I have doubts that this will come anytime soon.
I still bought PA in the hope that the dev is still actively developing, maybe a little naive.