To ROOT or NOT to Root, that is the question. - Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

To ROOT or NOT to Root, that is the question. - Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Coming from the DX, the benefits of rooting (even with it locked down) were WIFI tethering, screenshots, and overall just being able to customize the phone more with themes, colors, etc.
From what I can tell, the Wifi tethering app just can't hang with the native MobileHotSpot tethering option provided by the phone, in which case, it becomes less of a benefit.
I can see why people don't like Sense but it doesn't bother me one bit so that really isn't a factor. Just wondering what other features (or lack thereof) are pushing people one way or the other.

well i supposed it's up to you if you like to tinker or not. so far i am using the das bamf rom and really like it. for one, all the vzw bloat is gone, and there are a number of nice little features such as the battery charging icon, 5 icon wide app drawer, transparent app drawer/notifications.
root enables programs such as set cpu to control the cpu speed. for instance, i have the cpu slow way down when the screen is off saving battery.
if you are happy with your phone the way it is, leave it. if you like to play around, try new things, and have a better phone than the manufacturer came out with, root it. there is practically no danger and you can also go back to stock.

I just rooted because I hate all the bull**** bloatware. Also like to customize

The ability to remove the Verizon software off the phone (VVM, VZ Navigation, VZW Backup, etc) and the ability to change the DPI to something more usable (i.e., less big).
Those are my reasons...

Titanium Backup... Removal of bloatware... Those two things, even if you plan on keeping stock rom, is enough reason to root, in my opinion.
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Removal of trailware games I will never play. and get rid of CityID and verizon apps, that is my biggest complaint

magneticzero said:
Removal of trailware games I will never play. and get rid of CityID and verizon apps, that is my biggest complaint
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Are you referring to having to scroll through them when in the apps folder or actually feeling a performance difference by removing them? If it's scrolling past them, that doesn't much bother me..
Now that the kernel source is out, I'll definitely be rooting. Battery life is a top priority so undervolting is a big factor for me if nothing else.

DNak206 said:
Are you referring to having to scroll through them when in the apps folder or actually feeling a performance difference by removing them? If it's scrolling past them, that doesn't much bother me..
Now that the kernel source is out, I'll definitely be rooting. Battery life is a top priority so undervolting is a big factor for me if nothing else.
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who needs vz backup assistant when google does it for free? i guess some people can live with trialware taking up useless space but cityid is just awful. I use to get nag screens on my incredible. There is an option to remove it if you cancel the trail peroid, but it is still there taking up memory

My reasons that I rooted:
1. Get rid of bloatware
2. Get rid of bloatware
3. Customization options
4. *FULL* backups of my phone (Titanium Backup)
5. Overclocking, Underclocking, Overvolting and Undervolting
The Kernel was just released by HTC today, so we will be getting some really nice mods for the T-Bolt soon. Some of the things I want:
1. When my phone is plugged into a charger, I want it overvolted and overclocked for FULL performance (1.6ghz stable please )
2. When my phone is on battery, I want it back to 1ghz, but lets unvervolt it to get better battery.
3. When my phone's screen is locked lets underclock it down to 250mhz, seriously undervolt it, and get some real juice out of it.
4. When my phone's screen is locked, auto disable 4g, gps and wifi for even more battery savings.
Basically I want a phone that screams when it is supposed to scream, and tidy on the battery when it is supposed to be.

For me its about bloatware and speed. Plus (correct me if im wrong) the hotspot tethering is only free for a period of time, so eventually youll want that root for the tether.
I always equate it to if you buy a pc versus building it. Most people if they buy it the first thing they do is delete all the crap for overall performance.
Even if you root only to get rid of the bloatware your going to see an increase in battery life (especially from crappy blockbuster) and load speeds.

spursrchamps2007 said:
For me its about bloatware and speed. Plus (correct me if im wrong) the hotspot tethering is only free for a period of time, so eventually youll want that root for the tether.
I always equate it to if you buy a pc versus building it. Most people if they buy it the first thing they do is delete all the crap for overall performance.
Even if you root only to get rid of the bloatware your going to see an increase in battery life (especially from crappy blockbuster) and load speeds.
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also read reports of blockbuster running in the background constantly updating and draining the battery unless you physically go in there and turn it off...i didnt bother checking that out, i promptly removed it for good

For me it was all about the customization. Everything I own I tweak to make it just to my like so the same goes for my phone, so rooting was just necessary. Also a lot of the custom ROMS are designed to help improve battery life, and since the battery life of the TB isn't very stellar to begin with, it is nice to be able to increase it by flashing the correct ROM. I really don't see a situation where you wouldn't want to root it.

My moto is when in doubt... Root.
It just makes it better

Had my Thunderbolt since day one. It's my first smartphone. I want to root it and in the process of doing so. I've read that it will wipe my phone. Just curious. Does that include my SD card as well? and how would i go about flashing my stock ROM just in case i need to take it in for warranty purposes?

freshentrails said:
Had my Thunderbolt since day one. It's my first smartphone. I want to root it and in the process of doing so. I've read that it will wipe my phone. Just curious. Does that include my SD card as well? and how would i go about flashing my stock ROM just in case i need to take it in for warranty purposes?
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It wont wipe your sd card unless you select it to in clockwork recovery.
to get back to out of the box with s-on and original rom. download this ruu and plug your phone in. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975888

magneticzero said:
It wont wipe your sd card unless you select it to in clockwork recovery.
to get back to out of the box with s-on and original rom. download this ruu and plug your phone in. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975888
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Awesome Thanks

DNak206 said:
Coming from the DX, the benefits of rooting (even with it locked down) were WIFI tethering, screenshots, and overall just being able to customize the phone more with themes, colors, etc.
From what I can tell, the Wifi tethering app just can't hang with the native MobileHotSpot tethering option provided by the phone, in which case, it becomes less of a benefit.
I can see why people don't like Sense but it doesn't bother me one bit so that really isn't a factor. Just wondering what other features (or lack thereof) are pushing people one way or the other.
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Coming from the DX you were in a walled garden (not as bad as another walled garden, but walled none the less). While I do like Sense, there are also Cyanogen, Liquid Metal, and MIUI as examples of rom styles that will completely transform your phone.
MIUI menus for example are by far the best designed that I have seen. And you might reply who cares about menus, but once you have messed with it, it makes a world of difference.
Cyanogen adds a crap ton of function then tends to focus on stability. This lead to (IMHO) the smoothest most stable rom on the Droid Inc.
Liquid Metal is just way outside the box. I was not fond of it (except the kick ass lock screen), but I bet someone here who did fancy it could speak for its merits.
The real question is, why the hell wouldn't you root

dyezak said:
My reasons that I rooted:
1. Get rid of bloatware
2. Get rid of bloatware
3. Customization options
4. *FULL* backups of my phone (Titanium Backup)
5. Overclocking, Underclocking, Overvolting and Undervolting
The Kernel was just released by HTC today, so we will be getting some really nice mods for the T-Bolt soon. Some of the things I want:
1. When my phone is plugged into a charger, I want it overvolted and overclocked for FULL performance (1.6ghz stable please )
2. When my phone is on battery, I want it back to 1ghz, but lets unvervolt it to get better battery.
3. When my phone's screen is locked lets underclock it down to 250mhz, seriously undervolt it, and get some real juice out of it.
4. When my phone's screen is locked, auto disable 4g, gps and wifi for even more battery savings.
Basically I want a phone that screams when it is supposed to scream, and tidy on the battery when it is supposed to be.
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I second all that. LOL

kendive said:
I second all that. LOL
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I will most likely root, I guess I have just been pretty impressed with this phone stock, wasn't sure I needed it. Take into consideration more customization, tethering and increased battery life, again, I think it's a no-brainer.
Are you guys seeing an increase in speed and battery life now that you've rooted? I know killing bloatware also kills running services which should in theory help, but isn't undervolting the best way to maximize juice?

DNak206 said:
I will most likely root, I guess I have just been pretty impressed with this phone stock, wasn't sure I needed it.
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This is why I still haven't....
Coming from a turtle phone, this is very easy to get used to as-is..

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battery life in detail

PLEASE MOVE THIS THREAD TO GENERAL MY APOLOGIES
I know battery life issues have been talked to death but...Here's a new perspective:
so I have been doing some experimenting with my amaze in terms of battery life and asking my friend who works at T-mobile regarding his SGS2...He says his battery life seems to be pretty crappy too, marginally better than the amaze....so, I hard reset my phone and I did not sign into google, left my phone on airplain mode, basically I did not set up anything...I turned off wifi, and data everything was truned off...I went for 10 hours with only 2 percent battery drainage...then I signed into google....and in a matter of 10 minutes I went from 98 percent to 92... Watever is eating the battery up is not the phones hardware fault or the screens fault... I turned off background data sync and it seemed to make little difference...It seems the google programs or any program that needs internet connect regardless of syncing or not will have significant effect on your battery life...between 4g and wifi I saw little difference in battery life drainage...my phone signal is completely green so I cannot blame the signal... I cannot possibly kill gmail, market, maps etc...these are programs I use constantly...lets hope with the ICS update some of these sofware issues will resolve...
google needs to start managing applications better and not leave a bunch of applications running in the forground and background...
I've heard different theories regarding task killers...some say it actually worsens battery life since programs keep wanting to restart and some say it saves battery life...can anyone elaborate on this? I have juice defender ultimate, it seems to make minute difference in battery life as well.
PLEASE MOVE THIS THREAD TO GENERAL MY APOLOGIES

Display is the biggest factor obviously and then its data transfer or anything that has to do with transmitting signal.
like every other phone the 100% lasts for a long time then after it drops it drops quickly. So your analyses is flawed since it already dropped from 100% and then you switched data on. There are apps that are constantly sending data and the sense UI kills the battery a lot too. Thats why AOSP roms are better for battery life.
Juicedefender helps
setcpu helps
managing your apps helps
changing your background to black helps

I've tried juice defender, um... I would suggest you read about instructions on flashing a custom ROM I'm on quiksense and when 2.0 comes out I heard xboarder's got some really nice improvements with the 1.4.1 version I almost doubled my battery life. My phone used to go down to 50~60 idle over night, now it's about 90~ idle over night.

Teo032 said:
Display is the biggest factor obviously and then its data transfer or anything that has to do with transmitting signal.
like every other phone the 100% lasts for a long time then after it drops it drops quickly. So your analyses is flawed since it already dropped from 100% and then you switched data on. There are apps that are constantly sending data and the sense UI kills the battery a lot too. Thats why AOSP roms are better for battery life.
Juicedefender helps
setcpu helps
managing your apps helps
changing your background to black helps
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Juicedefender did help but then I was missing all my google talk messages, google voice messages, google voice voicemails and a bunch of stuff...ever going through the settings and setting it up to recheck background data every 5 minutes did not work with J/D...so I stopped using it...I need my data to come through...whats the point of having a phone if you can't get notification and use the features meant to.... I used to be a strickly no bloatware simplistic out of the box google experience guy...thus my nexus one...I LOVED IT...then dropped it and not worth fixing. nexus S was dissapointing, so is the galaxy nexus...I hate all the bloatware, and all the customizations t-mobile makes to the phone...like t-mobile inscription on the phone, t-mobile startup screen...etc...yes I know I could root and change all that stuff...honestly I just don't feel like going through all that crap!!! and also void my warranty...I don't undestand howcome the iphone is never branded!!!???/ wtf....I buy a phone and it's mine why does it have to come with a logo of the company....IT'S MY PHONE. THEY SHOULD INSCRIBE MY NAME ON IT. as for the bloatware I figured out how to temproot and freeze programs... I don't think you can change the startup screen to the original HTC one with temp root...damn T-mobile...you used to be so much better...

seansk said:
Juicedefender did help but then I was missing all my google talk messages, google voice messages, google voice voicemails and a bunch of stuff...ever going through the settings and setting it up to recheck background data every 5 minutes did not work with J/D...so I stopped using it...I need my data to come through...whats the point of having a phone if you can't get notification and use the features meant to.... I used to be a strickly no bloatware simplistic out of the box google experience guy...thus my nexus one...I LOVED IT...then dropped it and not worth fixing. nexus S was dissapointing, so is the galaxy nexus...I hate all the bloatware, and all the customizations t-mobile makes to the phone...like t-mobile inscription on the phone, t-mobile startup screen...etc...yes I know I could root and change all that stuff...honestly I just don't feel like going through all that crap!!! and also void my warranty...I don't undestand howcome the iphone is never branded!!!???/ wtf....I buy a phone and it's mine why does it have to come with a logo of the company....IT'S MY PHONE. THEY SHOULD INSCRIBE MY NAME ON IT. as for the bloatware I figured out how to temproot and freeze programs... I don't think you can change the startup screen to the original HTC one with temp root...damn T-mobile...you used to be so much better...
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use JD ultimate and set the apps to work with screen off.
you can get a telus or wind model without the tmobile branding
i think you can change the bootanimation with temp root because it's just a file? I'm not exactly sure about that one though.
apple sells their iphone to ATT
as htc sells their phone tmobile
tmobile probably request a branding on it with a higher cost.
att probably reject the higher cost because they're already losing money when buying the iphone from apple (i think i remember i read it awhile ago) and make money off data plans.

Teo032 said:
use JD ultimate and set the apps to work with screen off.
you can get a telus or wind model without the tmobile branding
i think you can change the bootanimation with temp root because it's just a file? I'm not exactly sure about that one though.
apple sells their iphone to ATT
as htc sells their phone tmobile
tmobile probably request a branding on it with a higher cost.
att probably reject the higher cost because they're already losing money when buying the iphone from apple (i think i remember i read it awhile ago) and make money off data plans.
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I did use JD ultimate with those apps enable, NO GO, MAYBE I SHOULD RESTART AND GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY...its only when that program requests it that it can initiate the data line, otherwise if someone sends you a text i will not get it since both wifi and data line are cut off permenantly during screen off that is how it saves battery....enabling programs are good for things such as pandora etc...once they end a playlist or something it automatically turns off....this is what I understood from the explaination...i temp rooted and removed some bloatware...hopefully I can change the startup screen as well, perhaps through adb push
P.S. where do I download the original HTC boot animation and sound and what folder is it in to push into? thanks

seansk said:
I did use JD ultimate with those apps enable, NO GO, MAYBE I SHOULD RESTART AND GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY...its only when that program requests it that it can initiate the data line, otherwise if someone sends you a text i will not get it since both wifi and data line are cut off permenantly during screen off that is how it saves battery....enabling programs are good for things such as pandora etc...once they end a playlist or something it automatically turns off....this is what I understood from the explaination...i temp rooted and removed some bloatware...hopefully I can change the startup screen as well, perhaps through adb push
P.S. where do I download the original HTC boot animation and sound and what folder is it in to push into? thanks
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for JD you want to click on the app thing twice so it goes to enable/screen off not just enabled. But yeah i noticed that sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't
not sure where the bootanimation and sounds is it at, i never played with it. You should check out the themes section, you can download the zip and browse through where it goes.... other than that there might be other threads with the instructions on where it's at.

You may want to try an AOSP based rom, (if you rooted)
I was getting 18 hours of use with 36% left, Medium usage (ie browsing, texting)

Teo032 said:
for JD you want to click on the app thing twice so it goes to enable/screen off not just enabled. But yeah i noticed that sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't
not sure where the bootanimation and sounds is it at, i never played with it. You should check out the themes section, you can download the zip and browse through where it goes.... other than that there might be other threads with the instructions on where it's at.
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ya i clicked twice enable/screen off...still no go for those particular programs i tested and tested it....oh well..my batterly life is not bad at all...besides I have a car kit which charges it in the car. once i started using the thing tho, battery drains fast...its no mystery its got a big screen bigger than my old N1 which used to be amoled and this is lcd...also this uses 4g which consumes significantly greater battery...faster processor etc....its not a mystery!!! they need to come up with a new battery technology soon!!!!

[Q] I just got my amaze and I'm trying to find some workarounds/tweaks..

So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones? More or less the question is what is the difference between sense and senseless roms?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums

seansk said:
Try asking one at a time.
If you were a developer you would have answers to all those questions
All android phones and roms will have the basic settings sections, power, wireles, syn etc. besides that Every rom is different and has different things...The only way to know is to unlock your bootloader, flash custom recovery then root your phone, and install custom roms...there is no way to explain every single detail of every single rom...it would take a a user manual and no one has time to write a user manual everytime they make a rom. to familiarize yourself why don't you start by reading the READ ME FIRST SECTION, I spent so much time making that and no one reads it.
If you are switching batteries why would you even need battery stats any more??? the only reason people calibrate their battery is to get more battery life out of ONE BATTERY and not have to change it. Two battery is always going to give you more life obviously, no matter what the stats.
for screen bleed try using screen filter app from the market.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE THREADS ON BATTERY WHY DON'T YOU USE THE SEARCH FUNCTIONS???...and READ THE READ ME FIRST...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358954&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419618&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321290&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424610&highlight=battery+life
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Sigh. I did read the posts that were just stickied, and I am not new to android at all.. but I know one of the dangers to being a new name to a new part of the forum is to have people assume you're ignorant or don't know how to search. I unlocked and flashed a new rom within 30 minutes of getting home with my phone, so trust me, I'm not ignorant.
That said-- I know all the answers to battery saving that aren't phone specific. If I am looking for anything, it would be what is specific to the amaze that causes the drain. If it is the 3g/4g then I may be able to use something like juice defender to offset that. I have every extra feature off on my phone, have all the wakelock issues solved, and that makes me think that the drain is radio/signal based.
Also, what I have observed is that people who use multiple batteries(on multiple types of phones) say they get 8-12 hours per battery- and with a correctly calibrated battery they may get 14 or more.. rather than just throw extra batteries at the problem(and have worse life for each battery), I'm trying to think of a way to get the most out of each. If I was going to go camping for a weekend(or just not be able to charge), it would be nice to get it done with just one or two spares.
As far as asking about SENSE- I'm new to htc. I don't know what part of the rom IS sense, but it sounds like you know even less than I do. If the only real difference is no bloat roms, no sense widgets, no stock launcher, cool.. if it means that some of the extras in the settings I haven't seen on non-htc phones aren't there.. that would be good to know.
I appreciate when people respond who actually have an answer, but I don't appreciate when someone doesn't have an answer(or maybe you don't understand the questions) and wants to talk down to someone for asking.. I'll just assume you are used to talking to noobs who may frustrate you.

Silentbtdeadly said:
So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones? More or less the question is what is the difference between sense and senseless roms?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums
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1. Sense:
Just a user interface customed by HTC. It features are: Peoples widget (a contact widget with more features), Friend Stream widget (updating your social network contacts' status - like Pure Messenger) Weather with HTC's signature animations - you can use Beautiful Widget to replaced this) Flip Clock (Again, HTC signature and popular - beautiful widget and some other apps copied this from Sense due to its popularity). Anyway, one can always find an alternative widget to replaces every single Sense's widgets if he/she chose to do so.
I myself dont like many part of Sense (contact and dial app included) yet still using QuikSense and now BulletProof because I like the Beat Audio hack and the Sense lock screen.
I used ADW launcher and frozen most of Sense related apps (same thing as un-installing them) yet the power saver option still available to me, so, basically I am running a Sense Rom without Sense (in a way) and if you are planning to use a Senseless rom and can not find the power saving option that you like, you can always install Sense base rom with alternate 3rd party apps as I do to avoid the annoying of staring at something you don't like .
2. Screen bleed:
I forgot I have that problem - it really doesn't bother me that much though - so no command from me on this matter
3. Battery status:
My battery status/reading from Battery Widget and Current widget seems to gave me wrong reading and I guess it's due to the act of using two different batteries so I tended to agreed with you on this matter. Your idea seem like a good idea and it maybe helpful (Battery Widget Pro also giving user the option to do something similar too - differrent batteries).
As we all already known, battery hog came from (1) Rogue apps (2) User setting/syncing) (3) Signal/radio scanning and (4) Displaying and my own experiment showed me that if I happened to be in a weak 4G signal coverage areas then my battery will drained fast. We can tracked down rogue app and setting a correct syncing to save battery but we can not avoid using the display so the last option (to me) to save battery is turn-on wi-fi or switching to a 2/3G if you are in a weak 4G signal area
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seansk said:
Try asking one at a time.
If you were a developer you would have answers to all those questions
All android phones and roms will have the basic settings sections, power, wireles, syn etc. besides that Every rom is different and has different things...The only way to know is to unlock your bootloader, flash custom recovery then root your phone, and install custom roms...there is no way to explain every single detail of every single rom...it would take a a user manual and no one has time to write a user manual everytime they make a rom. to familiarize yourself why don't you start by reading the READ ME FIRST SECTION, I spent so much time making that and no one reads it.
If you are switching batteries why would you even need battery stats any more??? the only reason people calibrate their battery is to get more battery life out of ONE BATTERY and not have to change it. Two battery is always going to give you more life obviously, no matter what the stats.
for screen bleed try using screen filter app from the market.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE THREADS ON BATTERY WHY DON'T YOU USE THE SEARCH FUNCTIONS???...and READ THE READ ME FIRST...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358954&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419618&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321290&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424610&highlight=battery+life
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I am highly suggesting you to change your language and/or the way you wrote/communicates with other.
On the internet and in any forum, writing in capital means you are yelling at peoples and that considering rude.
Writing a guide and had it stickied by a moderator doesn't automatically give you the right to yell at peoples when they asked for helps and/or discussing/opening topics.
Didn't Binary told you to change your languages/caps. in your writing BEFORE he approved and stickied your post?

Well comare the sgs ii and the amaze, the sgs ii has much better battery life because TW isnt as bulky and doesnt use as much RAM as Sense. i prefer Sense because it looks so much better, more UI friendly, etc. and more. With a stock ROM it would be much better on battery. I say this from experiance, ive owned HTC phoens since the G1 and there is a difference in batterylife and speed. if you notice the sgs ii is much faster as well when benchmarking and has the same internals (CPU/RAM/GPU). If you want a good looking interface with good HTC integrated apps then keep sense, if you need battery life then id get a senseless ROM because you are using less RAM and resources, etc = better battery life.
Personally i love Sense and i prefer it even if it makes battery life worse.

antiquezip said:
1. Sense:
Just a user interface customed by HTC. It features are: Peoples widget (a contact widget with more features), Friend Stream widget (updating your social network contacts' status - like Pure Messenger) Weather with HTC's signature animations - you can use Beautiful Widget to replaced this) Flip Clock (Again, HTC signature and popular - beautiful widget and some other apps copied this from Sense due to its popularity). Anyway, one can always find an alternative widget to replaces every single Sense's widgets if he/she chose to do so.
I myself dont like many part of Sense (contact and dial app included) yet still using QuikSense and now BulletProof because I like the Beat Audio hack and the Sense lock screen.
I used ADW launcher and frozen most of Sense related apps (same thing as un-installing them) yet the power saver option still available to me, so, basically I am running a Sense Rom without Sense (in a way) and if you are planning to use a Senseless rom and can not find the power saving option that you like, you can always install Sense base rom with alternate 3rd party apps as I do to avoid the annoying of staring at something you don't like .
2. Screen bleed:
I forgot I have that problem - it really doesn't bother me that much though - so no command from me on this matter
3. Battery status:
My battery status/reading from Battery Widget and Current widget seems to gave me wrong reading and I guess it's due to the act of using two different batteries so I tended to agreed with you on this matter. Your idea seem like a good idea and it maybe helpful (Battery Widget Pro also giving user the option to do something similar too - differrent batteries).
As we all already known, battery hog came from (1) Rogue apps (2) User setting/syncing) (3) Signal/radio scanning and (4) Displaying and my own experiment showed me that if I happened to be in a weak 4G signal coverage areas then my battery will drained fast. We can tracked down rogue app and setting a correct syncing to save battery but we can not avoid using the display so the last option (to me) to save battery is turn-on wi-fi or switching to a 2/3G if you are in a weak 4G signal area
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Thanks for the feedback, I've owned beautiful widgets for a while now, so I was using those with golauncher ex and am pretty happy. If those are the main things that are sense, I can live without
Louder ringing in pocket, some of the low power functions and a few other things seemed pretty cool, so I was just trying to figure out if those would be lost on the senseless roms.. and I also don't like the stock dialer and contacts.
I'm gonna have to check out battery widget pro, what I was suggesting was an app idea, if someone else has already done it.. well definitely good to know.
The screenbleed isn't a big deal to me, I was using screen filter by last night.. but I also have no desire to have the softkeys backlit, I'm pretty sure I'll remember which is which
stratax said:
Well comare the sgs ii and the amaze, the sgs ii has much better battery life because TW isnt as bulky and doesnt use as much RAM as Sense. i prefer Sense because it looks so much better, more UI friendly, etc. and more. With a stock ROM it would be much better on battery. I say this from experiance, ive owned HTC phoens since the G1 and there is a difference in batterylife and speed. if you notice the sgs ii is much faster as well when benchmarking and has the same internals (CPU/RAM/GPU). If you want a good looking interface with good HTC integrated apps then keep sense, if you need battery life then id get a senseless ROM because you are using less RAM and resources, etc = better battery life.
Personally i love Sense and i prefer it even if it makes battery life worse.
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I've been running bulletproof for the last 2 days, I've never had a htc before, so figured I would try out sense first. Probably going to try senseless tomorrow. Sucks you have to wait a few days eh stratax? When are you getting yours in?

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Silentbtdeadly said:
I've been running bulletproof for the last 2 days, I've never had a htc before, so figured I would try out sense first. Probably going to try senseless tomorrow. Sucks you have to wait a few days eh stratax? When are you getting yours in?
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I cant stand stock for some reason, i just get bored and i hate having to use 3rd party apps. its nice to have the HTC integrated ones, since they work great. Yeah it does suck, but i am happy to be getting the Amaze

Silentbtdeadly said:
So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones? More or less the question is what is the difference between sense and senseless roms?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums
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I apologize for comming off angry. Something pissed me off today and got 3 hours of sleep.
Honestly I havn't flashed all the roms. Here's how could explain this to you better. AOSP is the pure google version of android...usually google flaship phones have these such as the nexus one, the nexus S series, and galaxy nexus. I believe the G2X also has a pure google version of android.
Each company such as samsung or HTC customizes these roms to their liking and puts it on their phone...sometimes they add features, widegers, eye candy, extra settings. HTC calls their User interface (UI) that they use Sense, samsung calls theirs touchwiz and so on.
Senseless rom takes some parts of sense out of sense and leaves some parts in I believe, this is what I remember from reading that thread. In the thread it usually tells you the major things that have been taken out, and things that have been put in
for you screen bleed solution the only way I have seen is to turn down or off the button lights using "screen filter" from the market.
4G is one of the biggest drains on the newer phones. I have juice defender Ultimate but stopped using it. under normal stock settings in juice defender when you turn off the screen it turns off both wifi and wireless data...so you could only basically get phone calls, sms, and mms. Things such as Gmail push, facebook updates, google voice updates etc will not be allowed while phone is off...is why I stopped using it. You could change settings to turn data on during screen off or, turn wifi on, etc. but that would defeat the purpose of the program, turning off wifi and data network is the biggest things that let juice defender save battery.
Biggest drains again are, 4g data, wifi, and screen. You can tweak these under the wireless and network settings.
Technically you could remove the contact and dialer app, titanium backup will let you do this. But I warn you against doing this I believe since parts of it are integrated into the rom. freezing apps is a much better idea. You could download dialers from the market currently I use excontacts with ICS them on it. You could other dialers. But I believe that actual contact editing and contacts cannot be completely removed from sense, you would have to flash a different rom to get the AOSP dialer and contacts, or other ones.
My understanding of lithium ion batteries is that they have NO Memory unlike older batteries, It is pointless to charge the battery for 12 hours the first time...there is no trickle charge on lithium ions. In my own honest opinion/experience battery statistics make no difference in battery life, but others can correct me if I am wrong, this is where people say calibration makes a difference, I really don't know. It's also very hard to do a controlled test of a battery, since phone uses different things at different times, network connections, wifi. all that stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_increase_the_runtime_of_your_wireless_device
P.S. updating to the newest update from HTC on my phone solved my overheat and battery issues.
P.S.S switching to other launchers will take away you ability to use sense widgets and customizations, since they are part of the sense launcher.

seansk said:
I apologize for comming off angry. Something pissed me off today and got 3 hours of sleep.
Honestly I havn't flashed all the roms. Here's how could explain this to you better. AOSP is the pure google version of android...usually google flaship phones have these such as the nexus one, the nexus S series, and galaxy nexus. I believe the G2X also has a pure google version of android.
Each company such as samsung or HTC customizes these roms to their liking and puts it on their phone...sometimes they add features, widegers, eye candy, extra settings. HTC calls their User interface (UI) that they use Sense, samsung calls theirs touchwiz and so on.
Senseless rom takes some parts of sense out of sense and leaves some parts in I believe, this is what I remember from reading that thread. In the thread it usually tells you the major things that have been taken out, and things that have been put in
for you screen bleed solution the only way I have seen is to turn down or off the button lights using "screen filter" from the market.
4G is one of the biggest drains on the newer phones. I have juice defender Ultimate but stopped using it. under normal stock settings in juice defender when you turn off the screen it turns off both wifi and wireless data...so you could only basically get phone calls, sms, and mms. Things such as Gmail push, facebook updates, google voice updates etc will not be allowed while phone is off...is why I stopped using it. You could change settings to turn data on during screen off or, turn wifi on, etc. but that would defeat the purpose of the program, turning off wifi and data network is the biggest things that let juice defender save battery.
Biggest drains again are, 4g data, wifi, and screen. You can tweak these under the wireless and network settings.
Technically you could remove the contact and dialer app, titanium backup will let you do this. But I warn you against doing this I believe since parts of it are integrated into the rom. freezing apps is a much better idea. You could download dialers from the market currently I use excontacts with ICS them on it. You could other dialers. But I believe that actual contact editing and contacts cannot be completely removed from sense, you would have to flash a different rom to get the AOSP dialer and contacts, or other ones.
My understanding of lithium ion batteries is that they have NO Memory unlike older batteries, It is pointless to charge the battery for 12 hours the first time...there is no trickle charge on lithium ions. In my own honest opinion/experience battery statistics make no difference in battery life, but others can correct me if I am wrong, this is where people say calibration makes a difference, I really don't know. It's also very hard to do a controlled test of a battery, since phone uses different things at different times, network connections, wifi. all that stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_increase_the_runtime_of_your_wireless_device
P.S. updating to the newest update from HTC on my phone solved my overheat and battery issues.
P.S.S switching to other launchers will take away you ability to use sense widgets and customizations, since they are part of the sense launcher.
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I figured you may be having a bad day, we are all entitled to that. I'm sick, long day in classes(college), and sick and tired of being sick and tired..
I know a little more than I feel like your reply is aiming for, sense goes all the way to how you copy and paste.. So I was asking more about what is considered "senseless".
And random fact about android and the batterystats file.. The battery is stand alone, but the os decides what to report as the current charge and when to stop charging based on that file. I can upload a file as an example if needed. To the best of my understanding, using. Different batteries changes the file that tells the os when to stop charging, and what percentage to report at what maH. As you continue to use different batteries that file becomes less accurate and will stop charging sooner, and will drop faster as it is confused at what maH to report what %. If you ever see it change by more than 1% at a time, your battery stats file is inaccurate.
But that is just my understanding. I've researched it as much as I can, but.. It isn't an easy thing to get a definitive answer about.
Here is a battery history file, can't remember what makes it, but it is very much like what the battery stats file refers to. If you open that battery stats file in a text editor, you will see it refers to many things.. and if you delete that file you will see big changes in how your battery works.. That is the simplest proof that is matters
Sent from my HTC Amaze 4G using XDA App

Have you read my thread it is called
FAQ for the HTC Amaze 4G. Read Frequently Asked Questions before you post a question!

hasoon2000 said:
Have you read my thread it is called
FAQ for the HTC Amaze 4G. Read Frequently Asked Questions before you post a question!
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Lol, yes, I read your post.. feel free to throw some of the answers you would give me into it, but trust me.. it leaves more questions I imagine would be asked frequently. I am asking for something more detailed than "how do I get better battery life"..

Silentbtdeadly said:
Lol, yes, I read your post.. feel free to throw some of the answers you would give me into it, but trust me.. it leaves more questions I imagine would be asked frequently. I am asking for something more detailed than "how do I get better battery life"..
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you know I think It's the fact that a few of us like hasson, binary xboarder, just get the same things over and over and over and over and over and over. We just get in the mode of linking to those stickies. It can get tiresome, I don't know how binary does it. I've only been doing it for about a week now, It gets frustrating at times, we don't mean to lash out, but many people, i'm not saying you, but many others just come in without looking at anything and just ask a question, same questions over and over, they're just too lazy to look around or want a quick fix. or they pm us I need to root my phone can you help me!! It is infuriating when you spend time making pages to help and get those PM's.

seansk said:
you know I think It's the fact that a few of us like hasson, binary xboarder, just get the same things over and over and over and over and over and over. We just get in the mode of linking to those stickies. It can get tiresome, I don't know how binary does it. I've only been doing it for about a week now, It gets frustrating at times, we don't mean to lash out, but many people, i'm not saying you, but many others just come in without looking at anything and just ask a question, same questions over and over, they're just too lazy to look around or want a quick fix. or they pm us I need to root my phone can you help me!! It is infuriating when you spend time making pages to help and get those PM's.
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we? us? who PMs you lol?

Felinos11 said:
we? us? who PMs you lol?
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I pitched in to help since binary was getting overwhelmed with PM's so I posted in his how to root thread that people can contact me if they have problems. I'm just trying to help get the community a little bigger, I practice dentistry part time dentist, no full time for me cause economy is bad and oversaturated with them, and chronic medical illness
I don't claim to know not nearly as close to binary, xboarder and some others...but atleast I can help some of the noobs. I love and have always loved technology

seansk said:
I pitched in to help since binary was getting overwhelmed with PM's so I posted in his how to root thread that people can contact me if they have problems. I'm just trying to help get the community a little bigger, I practice dentistry part time dentist, no full time for me cause economy is bad and oversaturated with them, and chronic medical illness
I don't claim to know not nearly as close to binary, xboarder and some others...but atleast I can help some of the noobs. I love and have always loved technology
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lol cool I was just wondering if there was some other dev page for the amaze and I didn't know cuz as far as ive noticed here there is only a xboarder and a binary keeping the dev stuff alive

Various nooby questions about the Galaxy Note - Battery, ICS, Insurance, Display, ROM

As I said, I'm a noob when it comes to not the Galaxy Note but also the Android Operating system. Before switching to Android in April, I was stuck on iOS (iPhone 4) for more than 2 years; before that was the good old Symbian OS on a Nokia N95 8 GB. So far, since making the switch, the experience has been great. Themes, ringtones, tons of customization are just some of the things that are easily possible with "jailbreaking" on my former device.
That being said, I'm still adjusting to my new phone even after 3 months. Thats why I'm starting this thread; I need help on a few questions. So, here it goes (I did search for a lot of these, but no solid solutions) -
1. One of the great things about my old phone was the battery life. Even after using the phone's music function, checking facebook/emails/news/weather every now and then, I would still have around 60%~80% juice left after an 8~10 hour shift at work. None of that on the Note. Just having the 4G running leaves me with around 40%~50% juice after work, with no hard usage like going on the web, or using my phone as a music player. How come? I understand that most of the juice is used by the big-ass display; but there is a still a huge consumption even when the display is not turned on at all. I recently came across a term called deep sleep on the forum; I'm not sure if my phone goes to that or not. How do I check (keep in mind that I'm a noob; I installed CPU Spy, Battery Spy and BetterBatteryStats, but what am I looking for. I'll include a pic from all these apps)? Basically, how do I increase battery life?
2. Charging/Data cables - I dont understand this.. I have included a picture of 3 cables. The 1st one of my brother's from an old HTC phone. This is the only cable I can use to transfer date to and from my phone; that too with a lot care because if I move my phone around, the connection gets lost and I cant even charge my phone unless I unplug the cable, put my phone in a stationary position and replug the cable. The 2nd one is the cable I use to charge my phone. I cant use it to transfer data (I guess because of the little head converter); again, with this cable I cant move my phone around. I have to keep the phone screen-up for it to charge; cant pick it up or move it around or no charge. The 3rd cable is useless. It came with a pair of bluetooth head set. I cant transfer data, nor charge my phone. On some cables, my phone shows its charging; but it either charges very very slow, or shows its at a 100%, but as soon as I take the cable out, the % goes down to 60~85. The phone seems to charge fine on a car charger I have (not a USB car charger, this one has no removable parts). I think it might be the USB port on my phone, but not sure.
3. The 4th picture is of the Go Task Manager widget. Currently its showing 239 MB of RAM free. I closed Battery Spy, and it came down to around 300~325 MB free. Does Go Launcher take a lot of memory? How can I free more RAM? Didnt the Galaxy Note have 1 GB of RAM; what happened to the remaining 305 MB of RAM?
4. ROM - FLOODED = the only word I can use after I saw the Android Development section. So many choices. Is it worth flashing my phone with one of these? Which one do you recommend? Is the one for CyanogenMod good? What exactly does Nightly Built mean?
5. Flashing the phone with a custom ROM voids the warranty, right? Does the "flashing counter" thing work (I read somewhere that there's an easy way of flashing the counter in Recovery to 0)? I included a pic of a crack thats on my screen (long story short, I dropped my phone screen down on a rock). I'm about to send it to AT&T (since I have insurance from them) for the screen (hopefully they'll send me a new one, which will fix the whole charging/data transfer problem too). Will they check the counter too? Should I flash the counter? I have to pay $200 for a claim, be it water damage, accidental damage, theft, loss, etc; if they do check the counter, should the just drop the **** out of the phone so it dosnt work at all?
Long read, I know. Just wanted to cram in as much information as possible so that I can get answers as soon as possible. Any and all answers will be appreciated. Thanks a lot for taking the time to read through the whole thread and replying (if you do).

Ways to increase battery life:
- I hear using wifi as much as possible instead of data is a huge improvement as well as turning off auto sync and you can turn wifi off when the display is off. Also the typical of having it on a low brightness, finding out if you have any rogue apps that are causing more drain than they should. The last resort is to get either multiple batteries or an extended one with a different back case. Aside from those things, you are only going to get so much on time display from the note. I get on average 3.5 hours and can push my phone to about 22 hours from 100%. Milestone 6 Rom, KingKangKernel 5
About the cables:
- Buy a new usb cable. If you ever intend on modifying your phone or even transferring any time of data, you are going to NEED to have a secure and trustworthy connection. And by a new wall adapter. (most phone cables come with the little adapter head for outlets so just make sure it comes included). Pop it off for computer use, and pop it on for wall use. There are a ton of threads about those in the accessories section so you may want to give that a peek. They also have info there about possible substitution batteries.
Ram:
-I don't understand this too much because haha I suck with some techy stuff. But I believe that touchwiz uses a lot of the ram (could be completely wrong) But, I know that a lot of those apps that you are never going to use AT&T(insert name here) apparently constantly are using power and resources. I used to try to clear the ram all the time and it never really went down. Haha sorry I can't help more with this part.
Roms:
- Milestone 6 with KingKangKernel5 ALL THE WAY!!! I would be willing to walk you through the process step-by-step with all the files and such that you would need if you'd like. Other than that, you need to have an idea of what you want before going to the development side of things. Do you want Touchwiz, OC, UV, BLN (YOU WANT BLN lmao), miui, cm9, cm10 (haha), aokp, aosp, aocp, a stock feel, customization out the ying yang. Decide all this stuff and then your choices will narrow drastically to about two or three. From there, it is easy to experiment and possibly decide you had your requirements all wrong and start the process from the beginning haha.
Warranty:
- Get your next insurance claim through BB (best buy). Their black tie protection covers anything as many times as you want without that 200 dollar fee (might as well get a new phone at that ridiculous price!!!) for only ten dollars a month. : D
-Don't know how AT&T does their insurance stuff but I feel if your issues are physical (scratch/ port) that they have no reason to deny you a claim even if there is proof of modification because rooting doesn't crack your screen or break your port. Hahaha, but they can be uptight so I would suggest possibly getting the claim first and then delving into the developmental side of things. There is an odin flashable zip to bring your counter back to 0. I have never tried it personally but many people have had a ton of success with it so I would suggest checking out that thread and just reading carefully what other people do so that you do not make a mistake with anything.
Hope this helps. Hahahahaha, sorry it's so long.

Custom roms improve batt life greatly because on a stock phone u have tons of apps running in the background if u root and flash a rom u can freeze all of them that u want plus now we can over clock our kernels to make r note fly as far as the rom for u ....well u just have to try them diff strokes for diff folks lol i use cm9 roms alot u got to remember ur note has a huge screen so its gonna pull more batt...i also use jucie defender ultimite ...bigjoe has a super everything thread for this phone u can find all ur answers there
sent from memosphere remix

1. Battery life varies strongly with usage, in CPUSpy each bar represents how much time the phone processor has spent at each speed. The more time spent at lower speeds the better for your battery life.
If you scroll to the bottom of the list the lowest speed should either be: 384 MHz or Deep Sleep
The phone only enters Deep Sleep if the phone screen is off, and no apps are calling for CPU time. This speed saves the most battery. Rogue apps could be preventing your phone from sleeping. BetterBatteryStats is a tool to help you discover these apps and either: change your usage patterns or uninstall them.
Check CPUSpy first. If Deep Sleep is not at the bottom, or its bar is relatively small then check BetterBatteryStats for the rogue app.
However even if it's in Deep Sleep if you get around the city a lot during the day the phone will be switching radio towers often, switching uses quite a bit of battery. If you stay in a single place for a while you should be able to leave it on a desk for 8 hours and find that you have lost none or almost no battery at all (Such as at night when you are sleeping).
This is a "4G" phone, carrier coverage is spotty and if you are in an area with bad reception or poor coverage, your phone's radio must switch to a higher power level to maintain a connection with the cell tower thus using more battery. 4G towers are more sparse, and therefore 4G has worse coverage compared to your previous phones.
2. You should be using the cable included with your phone. Charging cables obviously will not carry data. But data cables will do both, get yourself a good cable.
3. Don't worry about ram at all. Android has one of the finest ram management systems out there. The phone has 1 GB of ram, 200-300 MB is reserved for the kernel and kernel processes. Therefore you actually have around 700MB, the phone uses the remaining space to caches apps and other required data so that your experience is more fluid and "Lag-free". Not to mention the ram background services and apps are using. Which brings me back to my original point. Don't worry about it, fiddling with it could ruin your experience with the device and use more battery. Don't use apps to clear it, Google has already stated that this doesn't do much.
4. The original rom is your best bet if you want all of the features of the phone. Cyanogenmod is your second choice, Cyanogenmod does not have S-pen support and some of the services provided from Samsung. Cyanogenmod is very lightweight and is the most popular choice among all android devices.
Nightly-Built means that the rom is basically updated every night, so that you can receive the latest features and improvements. You can check every day and there will be a new update for your phone with the latest additions and fixes. However not all nightly builds are stable, but they are reliable at the moment.
5. The counter only counts when you use ODIN to flash bootloaders and kernels I believe. When most of us say "flashing" we mean flashing through ClockWorkMod or CWM for short. CWM does not advance the counter I believe. There are no reports of anyone being denied warranty because of the counter. Do not flash the counter reset, this does count as a "flash" and it is still detectable by AT&T.

tutusinghsohi said:
As I said, I'm a noob when it comes to not the Galaxy Note but also the Android Operating system. Before switching to Android in April, I was stuck on iOS (iPhone 4) for more than 2 years; before that was the good old Symbian OS on a Nokia N95 8 GB. So far, since making the switch, the experience has been great. Themes, ringtones, tons of customization are just some of the things that are easily possible with "jailbreaking" on my former device.
That being said, I'm still adjusting to my new phone even after 3 months. Thats why I'm starting this thread; I need help on a few questions. So, here it goes (I did search for a lot of these, but no solid solutions) -
1. One of the great things about my old phone was the battery life. Even after using the phone's music function, checking facebook/emails/news/weather every now and then, I would still have around 60%~80% juice left after an 8~10 hour shift at work. None of that on the Note. Just having the 4G running leaves me with around 40%~50% juice after work, with no hard usage like going on the web, or using my phone as a music player. How come? I understand that most of the juice is used by the big-ass display; but there is a still a huge consumption even when the display is not turned on at all. I recently came across a term called deep sleep on the forum; I'm not sure if my phone goes to that or not. How do I check (keep in mind that I'm a noob; I installed CPU Spy, Battery Spy and BetterBatteryStats, but what am I looking for. I'll include a pic from all these apps)? Basically, how do I increase battery life?
To increase battery life you can do a few things. Obviously, use as low brightness as you can stand using, and also try to use wallpapers with lots of black, as black pixels do not draw any power on amoled displays. Next, from your CPU spy pic it looks like a rogue may be holding your device in partial wake lock, as your 384 MHz stage has twice the time of your deep sleep stage. Uninstall any apps you dont need, like benchmarks and other one time use apps like that. Also, if you have stuff constantly syncing, that will drain battery with the screen off too. If you need push email, leave sync on, but change the sync settings of less essential apps to manual sync only, so your phone only syncs those when you use the app. Along with the syncing, if you are in an lte area, data usage will eat much more battery than the iphone for the same data usage. Lastly, if you have crappy cell service, that will also contribute to faster drain.
2. Charging/Data cables - I dont understand this.. I have included a picture of 3 cables. The 1st one of my brother's from an old HTC phone. This is the only cable I can use to transfer date to and from my phone; that too with a lot care because if I move my phone around, the connection gets lost and I cant even charge my phone unless I unplug the cable, put my phone in a stationary position and replug the cable. The 2nd one is the cable I use to charge my phone. I cant use it to transfer data (I guess because of the little head converter); again, with this cable I cant move my phone around. I have to keep the phone screen-up for it to charge; cant pick it up or move it around or no charge. The 3rd cable is useless. It came with a pair of bluetooth head set. I cant transfer data, nor charge my phone. On some cables, my phone shows its charging; but it either charges very very slow, or shows its at a 100%, but as soon as I take the cable out, the % goes down to 60~85. The phone seems to charge fine on a car charger I have (not a USB car charger, this one has no removable parts). I think it might be the USB port on my phone, but not sure.
Buy the stock Samsung wall charger/cable. It will do wonders for you. Solid connection, full speed charging, and data transfer.
3. The 4th picture is of the Go Task Manager widget. Currently its showing 239 MB of RAM free. I closed Battery Spy, and it came down to around 300~325 MB free. Does Go Launcher take a lot of memory? How can I free more RAM? Didnt the Galaxy Note have 1 GB of RAM; what happened to the remaining 305 MB of RAM?
Don't worry about ram usage, android as an os manages it just fine by itself. No need to constantly kill apps or use task killers other than the stock one if you absolutely need to kill something. Constantly killing apps/clearing ram can actually decrease your battery life as well, as constantly killing and restarting apps uses far more resources than leaving them running. Also, if you're constantly killing apps that have push syncing or interval syncing, they will just restart anyways, essentially just killing battery every time you clear ram. Lastly, use as few Widgets as possible. They are nice and pretty, but unless you need them they're just another service that is running, and will slow down your launcher performance if you have too many.
4. ROM - FLOODED = the only word I can use after I saw the Android Development section. So many choices. Is it worth flashing my phone with one of these? Which one do you recommend? Is the one for CyanogenMod good? What exactly does Nightly Built mean?
Remember, there's no rush, and no "best rom", so just take your time reading how to flash each rom, and try each one out that looks appealing to you. Nobody can tell you what will suit you best, and since all of the roms are great around here, you really can't go wrong trying any of them until you find what fits you best. Custom roms are totally worth it, as they have all of the fat trimmed and are really fun to play with. Be careful though, you may find yourself developing an addiction after you get the hang of things. =].
5. Flashing the phone with a custom ROM voids the warranty, right? Does the "flashing counter" thing work (I read somewhere that there's an easy way of flashing the counter in Recovery to 0)? I included a pic of a crack thats on my screen (long story short, I dropped my phone screen down on a rock). I'm about to send it to AT&T (since I have insurance from them) for the screen (hopefully they'll send me a new one, which will fix the whole charging/data transfer problem too). Will they check the counter too? Should I flash the counter? I have to pay $200 for a claim, be it water damage, accidental damage, theft, loss, etc; if they do check the counter, should the just drop the **** out of the phone so it dosnt work at all?
Yes, flashing roms does void your warranty but only temporarily. You can set it back to stock firmware again and be just fine returning or replacing it. People have also returned their phones with the counter tripped, as it seems that as of right now, neither att or Samsung cares about it. Have you flashed anything yet? If not, get your phone replaced before you do just to be sure, then when you get your new one back, you can have already read and downloaded everything you need to root and rom it as soon as you get it back. =].
Long read, I know. Just wanted to cram in as much information as possible so that I can get answers as soon as possible. Any and all answers will be appreciated. Thanks a lot for taking the time to read through the whole thread and replying (if you do).
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tutusinghsohi said:
3. The 4th picture is of the Go Task Manager widget. Currently its showing 239 MB of RAM free. I closed Battery Spy, and it came down to around 300~325 MB free. Does Go Launcher take a lot of memory? How can I free more RAM? Didnt the Galaxy Note have 1 GB of RAM; what happened to the remaining 305 MB of RAM?
4. ROM - FLOODED = the only word I can use after I saw the Android Development section. So many choices. Is it worth flashing my phone with one of these? Which one do you recommend? Is the one for CyanogenMod good? What exactly does Nightly Built mean?
5. Flashing the phone with a custom ROM voids the warranty, right? Does the "flashing counter" thing work (I read somewhere that there's an easy way of flashing the counter in Recovery to 0)? I included a pic of a crack thats on my screen (long story short, I dropped my phone screen down on a rock). I'm about to send it to AT&T (since I have insurance from them) for the screen (hopefully they'll send me a new one, which will fix the whole charging/data transfer problem too). Will they check the counter too? Should I flash the counter? I have to pay $200 for a claim, be it water damage, accidental damage, theft, loss, etc; if they do check the counter, should the just drop the **** out of the phone so it dosnt work at all?
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Ok first keep in mind I came to android with almost the same background as you and about the same time.
Question 3: anything with Go in the name I have seen huge team usage... also custom Roms will be a great thing for your ram you will see big changes if you go with anything like AOKP AOSP or AOCP. These are as close to basic unmodified android as you will find with little to no extras.
4: cyanogen mods are good in my opinion, nightly builds are not finals they are updated nightly... as for a Rom I tried a few and have found my favorite is the collective builds.they just came out with the AOCP (newly updated coming soon) and there is one member of the team that likes ultra slim builds and he slims them down to the bear bones. When ready to flash give them a shot.
5: flashing will void warranty, with that said so did the crack you have. This counts as physical damage. So insurance is the best option. I do agree best buy ins is great but as you have att ins might as well use it. With a crack screen I think you will get a different device to fix charge port but will most likely get refurb phone. I would root and flash with this one so you can do it and IF anything goes wrong you need an instant replacement any way and your not out anything
Other 2 questions I didn't feel I was the one to answer nor am I a expert on any of this, just the info I have
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Battery life isn't the greatest on the Note, but it's acceptable. If you use it a lot, the battery will drain. You can try using a different CPU governor (lulzactive, smartassv2, etc. in custom kernels) to improve battery life or just use powersave (which decreases performance but improves battery life). You also have to account for the huge screen which is OLED, not LCD. With an LCD (like the iPhone 4 has) there is an array of white LED's that illuminate the screen. There's probably 8 or so of them. The LCD glass is a color filter which colors the white light from the backlight. The LCD itself uses little power, and the LED backlight only has 8 or so LED's. The Note uses an AMOLED screen (Active-Matrix Organic LED) in which each individual pixel is four independent LED's (RGBG). They're small LED's and use little power on their own, but you have 1280x800x4 of them (well, not quite due to the pentile arrangement staggering pixels). When they're all on (white screens) it uses a lot of power, especially when brightness is up. On the plus side, when they're all off (dark screens) they use much less power. To save power on an AMOLED, use a darker background/theme.
As for RAM usage, the Note has 1GB and you really don't need to worry about checking it. Android manages RAM very well, especially when it has 1GB to work with. When you leave an app in Android it isn't closed, merely pushed back in an application stack. Only when Android determines that RAM is filling up does it start removing stale apps from this stack.
Personally I've used my Note with many different cables without issue. The included Samsung charger and cable work very well, and I think has the most solid connection of all of them, but I've had success with a cord from my Archos media player as well as my HP TouchPad tablet. The TouchPad's wall charger also gives a slight charging boost as it provides more power (2A vs. 1A) but the Note's highest charge rate is around 1.1A so you don't see a huge difference. It does need a bit more than a standard 500mA USB port provides, so if you plan to charge it off your PC or a 500mA charger, you need to turn off the screen and leave it off, otherwise the screen will eat up the power, leaving none for the battery.
My favorite ROM is CyanogenMod 9. This is a built-from-scratch (Google's source + modifications) ROM that includes a lot of nice features while retaining the stock Android look and feel. I personally do not like TouchWiz or the customizations that Samsung added to their Note ROMs but many people do. It's all about personal preference. A nightly build means that a new release of the ROM is posted (usually by an automated system) every night. This is what CyanogenMod uses for most devices, as their project has many developers and is constantly updating. You don't need to update every day, but a nightly ROM means that you always have access to the latest updates if you want them.
As for the flash counter, I would warranty the phone before flashing a custom ROM. I generally don't take warranty into account on my tech purchases because with all the hacking I do it's often void, but usually if you restore the stock firmware they will fix hardware issues obviously not caused by your ROM flashing..

Thank you all for the quick replies.
Regarding the cable, I've come across this on amazon - /gp/product/B007JZGO6S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=AR2TEZS0WRV7S
Good to buy?
@Ph0n3D0rk - Thank you. Due to the short battery life I've been experiencing, I always use my phone on brightness all the way down with "Automatic Brightness" option turned off. I only have 200 MB per month data, so wifi's the only way to go . I've been looking into extra (or extended batteries); maybe soon. I read into Milestone 6; seems pretty interesting. I might give it a go (maybe when I get the replacement). I'll private message you about it.
@JB calhoun - Thank you. I've started looking into different kinds of ROMs. Is it possible to try out 2 different types or ROMs at the same time? What I mean is that say if I install CM9, then I want to try Milestone 6; will I have to remove CM9 to try Milestone 6? Also, does installing a new ROM every time (almost all instructions say to do a "Wipe data/factory reset") means all my data (on the phone ofcourse and not on the SD card) will be lost? I'm mainly worried about my text messages and whatsapp conversations (I think all other data settings are saved by Google, and reapplied once the app is installed back again, right?)
@SkyStars - Thank you. I tried using BetterBatteryStats, but I have no idea what I'm looking for. Should I be looking at Processes, Partial Wakelocks, Other or Kernel Wakelocks; and then what in these? I've heard a lot about CyagnogenMod. When you say it does not support S-pen, does it mean that the phone has no use for it at all? Can we still maneuver the screen with it, or take screenshots? Or does it just stop working? So, I should stay away from flashing the counter? My counter (I think) right now says 4.
@welchertc - Thank you. I found out about keeping a black wallpaper to decrease battery use a few weeks ago; I've had a black wallpaper since. I'll remove useless apps, then lets see what happens. Is the link I provided in the beginning ok, or should I search for something else? I was wondering about killed apps popping up after some time (Facebook for example). I have email sync turned off. I've been trying to turn off sync for a few apps, but some of them dont give me such an option (eg. The Drudge Report). I have started looking for some ROMs. But I ask you the same question I asked JB about ROMs - Can I have only 1 ROM at a time? And, will have to erase everything every single time? The warranty problem's the same with Apple. Just like you said, it seems to be the same with Apple - just reinstall the stock iOS, and you're ready to go (I had my iPhone changed after I went back to stock from a jailbroken firmware after it also developed battery issues; the new phone I received was brilliant in the battery department). I think my counter is up to 4.
@spade1031 - Thank you. Milestone 6 is an AOKP release. I'll look into the other releases you've mentioned as well. I've been using the Go Launcher because I tried AWD, and didnt like it. Any other nice ones out there? (But maybe I wont need them after a ROM install).
@CalcProgrammer1 - Thank you for the very informative and in-depth writing. What exactly is a CPU governor? If it is what I think it is, then I think I used one back when AT&T hadnt rolled out ICS, and I had (somehow) rooted the older version. I installed an app (dont remember the name) that basically let me create profiles in which I could set the max and min CPU usages; is that it? So I shouldnt worry about closing apps using any witget? The reason I ask is because the phone tends to get a bit slugish when a lot of apps are open, and available RAM (as shown on Go Taskmanger is around ~75 MB). I'll try not closing any apps from now on and note the difference. If I do go with CyanogenMod, what exactly will I be losing in terms of TouchWiz? I have flashed before (tried ICS before it officially came out), so my flash now is at 4. Should I take a chance and turn it in as is and see if they still change it; or should I try flashing the counter before turning it in?
Once again, thanks everyone for the replies.

tutusinghsohi said:
Thank you all for the quick replies
@spade1031 - Thank you. Milestone 6 is an AOKP release. I'll look into the other releases you've mentioned as well. I've been using the Go Launcher because I tried AWD, and didnt like it. Any other nice ones out there? (But maybe I wont need them after a ROM install).
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Dude your gonna hate me but this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538926
Best launcher for the Note? Has a ton of info.. most people will still use a custom launcher after a Rom but it is all personal pref. I like apex (got the paid version) nova isn't bad but not for me... I'm now playing with sslauncher, like this as landscape and portrait can be set 2 different ways and has text icons built in and also NO GRID you have to follow for the icons
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Dude your gonna hate me but this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538926
Best launcher for the Note? Has a ton of info.. most people will still use a custom launcher after a Rom but it is all personal pref. I like apex (got the paid version) nova isn't bad but not for me... I'm now playing with sslauncher, like this as landscape and portrait can be set 2 different ways and has text icons built in and also NO GRID you have to follow for the icons
Sent from my AoCP Note
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Thanks a lot for the link.. I'm going through the thread now..
Go Launcher is alright (for now) because of all the widgets they make.. They turn out pretty crappy when used with other launchers..
Just tried Nova Launcher. Seemed good, but I think I've gotten used to Go Launcher.. But I will definitely make a switch soon..
Also, one of the very first replies to the thread you posted about suggests overclocking. Will I be able to do that when installing custom ROMs?

Regarding how to read Better Battery Stats, the developer of the app is very active on xda and you can actually get help reading the logs from the app on the app thread on xda.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
Make sure you read the OP to see how to post the logs and also it'll give you insight into how to understand what the app is telling you.

tutusinghsohi said:
@welchertc - Thank you. I found out about keeping a black wallpaper to decrease battery use a few weeks ago; I've had a black wallpaper since. I'll remove useless apps, then lets see what happens. Is the link I provided in the beginning ok, or should I search for something else? I was wondering about killed apps popping up after some time (Facebook for example). I have email sync turned off. I've been trying to turn off sync for a few apps, but some of them dont give me such an option (eg. The Drudge Report). I have started looking for some ROMs. But I ask you the same question I asked JB about ROMs - Can I have only 1 ROM at a time? And, will have to erase everything every single time? The warranty problem's the same with Apple. Just like you said, it seems to be the same with Apple - just reinstall the stock iOS, and you're ready to go (I had my iPhone changed after I went back to stock from a jailbroken firmware after it also developed battery issues; the new phone I received was brilliant in the battery department). I think my counter is up to 4.
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To turn off all auto syncing, like I do, Just go into accounts and sync under settings and there should be one box or slier to uncheck to turn off all auto syncing. You can also leave it on and configure your individual accounts such as email, twitter, and facebook to sync automatically or not. =]
And yes, you can only truly run one ROM at a time. You could make a nandroid of one ROM, flash another and configure it, then nandroid the second once you have it set up, then keep restoring those two nandroids every time you want to switch. Although that is pretty ineffective if you like to keep switching things up on your homescreens, as the nandroids stay exactly the same.
You also don't need to erase everything per se. All of your pictures and stuff are a good idea to backup, to your computer or an sd card, if you're flashing a rom that requires a full wipe. Your apps and app data will be wiped, so definitely buy titanium backup pro if you haven't already, as that will allow you to restore all of your apps between flashes. Also, there are various sms backup apps, though I've never used one so I can't recommend any. email you can obviously resync quite easily, same with contacts once you have them all synced to your gmail account. Other than that, about the only thing you can't restore afaik is exactly how you have your homscreens/wallpaper setup.

tutusinghsohi said:
4. ROM - FLOODED = the only word I can use after I saw the Android Development section. So many choices. Is it worth flashing my phone with one of these? Which one do you recommend? Is the one for CyanogenMod good? What exactly does Nightly Built mean?
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There is really only like 3-4 unique roms in there. The majority of them are peoples themed versions one of those.
CM9 is by far the smoothest but I am having problems with GAPPs 7/19 build. Im currently running AOSPxXx until I can sort out the GAPPs issues Im having.

tutusinghsohi said:
Thanks a lot for the link.. I'm going through the thread now..
Go Launcher is alright (for now) because of all the widgets they make.. They turn out pretty crappy when used with other launchers..
Just tried Nova Launcher. Seemed good, but I think I've gotten used to Go Launcher.. But I will definitely make a switch soon..
Also, one of the very first replies to the thread you posted about suggests overclocking. Will I be able to do that when installing custom ROMs?
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To be honest I tried overclocking only once am I was on a super light weight Rom, with that I didn't see much improvement but I have noticed the people do see am improvement are also using bigger Rom s. Again I'm sure you will see this many times more you are on here "flash it and find out" the reason is no one has done every combo out there. But over clicking will help at times just keep in mind your not happy with the battery now? And your gonna run your phone harder? Lol
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Just wondering how it going? Get your new phone? Flash anything? If so what and what do you think of it?
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My two words of advice is
1. Get extra batteries/wall charger I bought 3 batteries and charger for like 12 bucks
2. Get cm9 its amazing
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My personal impression regarding Go launcher is that its very complete (widgets included) but for my experience its a heavy battery drainer so unfortunately i had to uninstall it
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[Q] Photon Bad Battery Life

Hello everybody, My photon is having very bad battery life and i havent even had it a full year, And when i first started having this problem i got a new battery, ( no luck), I fully rebooted my phone, And i rooted it, So if anyone has any suggestions on how to find whats causing my bad batter life tell me.
Batterlife:
Playing games 1-2 hours
Listening to music 7 hours
Screen on listening to music 3 hours

bump, Please help!!!

12 hours is a great battery life.

so? 6 hours of display = it's normal time for android phones..

deadpuck said:
Hello everybody, My photon is having very bad battery life and i havent even had it a full year, And when i first started having this problem i got a new battery, ( no luck), I fully rebooted my phone, And i rooted it, So if anyone has any suggestions on how to find whats causing my bad batter life tell me.
Batterlife:
Playing games 1-2 hours
Listening to music 7 hours
Screen on listening to music 3 hours
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Question for ya. Are you running any custom roms or just stock rooted?
The reason i ask is simply because if you are running any ics+ roms, your battery life odds are will be significantly decreased, its like that for phones who even have official ics/jb
If your on just a rooted stock rom, odds are the bloat ware is draining your juice. Sprint/moto have a bunch of background apps/services that will run at startup.
Few recommendations for you.
Settings:
1)Turn off auto brightness, and simply set your phone to a brightness that is low, but easily visible indoors/out
2)Ensure gps is off unless you are using a navigation app (please dont use the crap one built in, drains battery, lags, is rele only a trial,etc)
3)If you are not in the habit of locking ur phone when you are not on it, set your timeout for the screen to 15 seconds
4) Turn off background sync/ use only on wifi
Apps:
1)Download a root uninstall app to remove apps.
2)Download a autorun management app to disable unnecessary crap
3)Possibly buy a nice root toolbox, ie, rom toolbox pro.
4)Use battery calibrator for root phones and follow instructions
Aftermarket:
1) buy an extended battery
2) buy a spare or 2 batteries. (look on amazon, buy the two aftermarket batteries/wallcharger/ Lanyard) Youll never need to worry about your battery again. lol
3) Buy an independent charger/power source, you know, the ones that you charge, and then use to charge on the go without any wires
None of these things are guaranteed to help, but thats what i can think of off the top of my head as far as solutions go. The photon has a surprisingly small charge battery considering all the phone can do.
Hope something here helps at least a little
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T3HG00GLEG33K said:
Question for ya. Are you running any custom roms or just stock rooted?
The reason i ask is simply because if you are running any ics+ roms, your battery life odds are will be significantly decreased, its like that for phones who even have official ics/jb
If your on just a rooted stock rom, odds are the bloat ware is draining your juice. Sprint/moto have a bunch of background apps/services that will run at startup.
Few recommendations for you.
Settings:
1)Turn off auto brightness, and simply set your phone to a brightness that is low, but easily visible indoors/out
2)Ensure gps is off unless you are using a navigation app (please dont use the crap one built in, drains battery, lags, is rele only a trial,etc)
3)If you are not in the habit of locking ur phone when you are not on it, set your timeout for the screen to 15 seconds
4) Turn off background sync/ use only on wifi
Apps:
1)Download a root uninstall app to remove apps.
2)Download a autorun management app to disable unnecessary crap
3)Possibly buy a nice root toolbox, ie, rom toolbox pro.
4)Use battery calibrator for root phones and follow instructions
Aftermarket:
1) buy an extended battery
2) buy a spare or 2 batteries. (look on amazon, buy the two aftermarket batteries/wallcharger/ Lanyard) Youll never need to worry about your battery again. lol
3) Buy an independent charger/power source, you know, the ones that you charge, and then use to charge on the go without any wires
None of these things are guaranteed to help, but thats what i can think of off the top of my head as far as solutions go. The photon has a surprisingly small charge battery considering all the phone can do.
Hope something here helps at least a little
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Thanks for all the help, But im doing most of those thing i have a spare batterie, and aswell i have nothing special on my phone besides a few games, spotify and gameCIH, I havent callibrated though, But i am interested in unistallying programs that are bloat ware, Any of them that you can tell me that i can uninstall without messing anything up?

deadpuck said:
Thanks for all the help, But im doing most of those thing i have a spare batterie, and aswell i have nothing special on my phone besides a few games, spotify and gameCIH, I havent callibrated though, But i am interested in unistallying programs that are bloat ware, Any of them that you can tell me that i can uninstall without messing anything up?
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My apologies for the delay in my response. I haven't run the stock rom since week 2 of me owning the phone. That was quite some time ago.
i will link you to a very old thread here in the development section that i used to remove all the sprint crap.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1217134
Keep in mind it is a good idea to ensure you know how to revert back if need be.
You have 3 options here really, i will list them in the order i recommend
1) Get yourself either that toolkit i mentioned(Works good for all of your needs) or a root uninstallation app that offers you the ability to backup/restore/freeze apps
2) Use a file manager app with root privileges to browse your phones system files, and rather then deleting the apps, simply rename them with an easily recognizable extention, IE: .backup, .bak, .back (You get the idea)
3) You can delete apps manually as instructed in the thread, be sure you read it thoroughly, and know what apps you delete disable (google search the apk and what it is if you are unsure)
Good luck mate
Ive Pac'ked my bags, and am on my PacMopho. *Cheers*

Will be I able to get more battery life if I root?

So basically the title says all. I'm planning to use this device a little bit longer, and the only problem with it is the battery life - but I love everything else, like the display, the sound, the design. I was a wonder to root before few months but feels like at this point, at least with Samsung you losing more than you will gain with root. Like Samsung Pass, Samsung Health and Security folder. I know there is a way to recreate them but not sure is worth it all the work. Although, I tihnk is worth it to sacrifice those (but I really will miss Samsung pass), to have a better battery life.
So my question is, if I root my device, put some custom rom + some app like Greenify, will be I able to have a better battery life than now? At the moment I make around 3h of sot, which maybe is normal for device +1 year old. But I can't trust it when I'm going out. Always need to carry a power bank with me, just in case...

Leon said:
So basically the title says all. I'm planning to use this device a little bit longer, and the only problem with it is the battery life - but I love everything else, like the display, the sound, the design. I was a wonder to root before few months but feels like at this point, at least with Samsung you losing more than you will gain with root. Like Samsung Pass, Samsung Health and Security folder. I know there is a way to recreate them but not sure is worth it all the work. Although, I tihnk is worth it to sacrifice those (but I really will miss Samsung pass), to have a better battery life.
So my question is, if I root my device, put some custom rom + some app like Greenify, will be I able to have a better battery life than now? At the moment I make around 3h of sot, which maybe is normal for device +1 year old. But I can't trust it when I'm going out. Always need to carry a power bank with me, just in case...
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yes, installing a custom ROM will likely increase your battery life so as that the kernel that the ROM youve chosen is optimized for efficiency. If the ROM you choose is overclocked beast-mode gaming champion settings enabled, then no. Some ROMs are also very stripped down eliminating seldom used apks thereby increasing batt life as well. What model do you have? if its the g965u, you aint rootin it fwiw

Thanks for the response!
Yes, I understand boosting or using some modes for performance can lead to worst battery life. My device is G965F. As for now, I'm planning to wait for the final version of Android 10. Then I guess would wait for developers to update their ROMs and chose the lite one?

Leon said:
Thanks for the response!
Yes, I understand boosting or using some modes for performance can lead to worst battery life. My device is G965F. As for now, I'm planning to wait for the final version of Android 10. Then I guess would wait for developers to update their ROMs and chose the lite one?
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Youre most welcome!
If you do that, you might be waiting for a while as Samsung has been recently pushing to make root more and more difficult. If youre dead set on rooting, id do it now and avoid the pitfalls of being on a bootloader version that you cant go back to your old one from and waiting for the devs to figure out the new source code etc etc.

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