Is this true??
Windows 8 arm on g tablet?
Maybe, maybe not. Way too early to speculate on an OS that is not even at ReleaseCandidate yet.
For perspective:
1. We are still awaiting a new OTA update
2. Honeycomb is still in question
It's true that Microsoft is working on Windows 8 to have it running on the ARM based systems.
There is however no information that Windows 8 would ever run on the Gtablet (memory, storage, additional required hardware, system design, etc....could all be issues).
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/12/microsoft-pushes-out-preview-build-of-internet-explorer-10/
IE10 in Windows 8 (ARM), running on a Tegra 2 processor.
Hope to see this happen in the future. Would love to have Windows o/s on my tablet.
Speaking of Windows running on an Android tablet, I had a cheapy ZT-180 tablet that could boot into WinCe & the specs of this tablet were no where near the G-Tabs. Has anyone tried installing that on a G-Tab?
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Not sure if this is the correct forum to post this. I have searched the web and this forum and only found partial answers so please excuse me if this has been discussed. If so a reply with the link would be very helpful.
With AMD and Intel both producing low powered x86 chips, especially AMDs C-50 which incorporates the Radeon HD graphics processor on the same chip, I was wondering if there are any limitations for hardware manufacturers to use these kind of chips on Tablets running Android.
I know currently Google does not have an x86 port of their own, but are there any particular reasons that would stop them if the chips were comparable in power usage and have faster performance? What would be some drawbacks? Would all the apps run fine on the x86 architecture or would each app need to be recompiled to run on these devices?
I guess what I'm really asking is with your expertise do you see x86 processors as a future of Android tablet computing?
Thanks in advance for all the input.
In theory, they'd just have to re-write the bytecode interpreter on the Dalvik-VM (Assuming it works like Sun's Java VM) Everything you run on your android is on a virtual machine, meaning it has the capability of being cross platform. So yes. It's very possible.
http://www.androidx86.org have you checked this site out??
1st ICS build for virtual machines
Just check out this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19824180
Given the choice with all other things being equal, I'd take a modern ARM over an X86 chip, unless I'm going to run Windows ware. I've used x86 for like almost 20 out of nearly 23.5 years, and wouldn't trust an X86 Android tablet, now that I've dug into my TF .
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Spidey01 said:
Given the choice with all other things being equal, I'd take a modern ARM over an X86 chip, unless I'm going to run Windows ware. I've used x86 for like almost 20 out of nearly 23.5 years, and wouldn't trust an X86 Android tablet, now that I've dug into my TF .
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Wouldnt trust it for what reason?
Windows 8 will be released with an x86 and ARM version.
The Android OS itself runs very smoothly on x86, I have been using a small hp thinclient t5565 as a debug machine instead of my phone or a virtual machine for 2 weeks now and it performs admirably. Granted I cant play HD games on it, but thats what I have the Enjoy 7 tablet for. android-x86 is just brilliant, in many cases the generic froyo and gingerbread builds breathe new life into old rusty machines, making them very useful once more. The only thing missing, is better generic hardware support for ethernet and various 3D display devices. I am currently looking at an option of using android-x86 as a swop and go solution, since my test machine runs the installed system completely from a USB thumb drive. Which means if it breaks, pull the stick out, pop in another machine and you are back to work. Perfect solution for a POS terminal, library internet access machine or even something to keep the kids out of your hair.
ashmem in Android x86
I developed a simple shared memory IPC in Linux already and I would also like to do it in Android x86.
Does anyone knows on how to do this(shared memory or should I call it "ashmem"?) ?
I really need your help. I'm still a beginner in Android x86, so I hope you can give a step-by-step guide.
any way to get the windows os on these
xscruffy420x said:
any way to get the windows os on these
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No.
I read somewhere recently though, something having to do with Windows 8 that Microsoft was working on a port for ARM processors. Likely this won't include our old ARM v6 processor, however.
Reference:
Windows 8 ARM Press Release By Microsoft | Windows 8 News
and
Windows 8 ARM based tablets may launch before full desktop version ...
But the work of porting such a complex operating system, nevermind the SIZE, is way beyond anyone but the original author(s), especially since Windows is not open-source, which Android is.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
No.
I read somewhere recently though, something having to do with Windows 8 that Microsoft was working on a port for ARM processors. Likely this won't include our old ARM v6 processor, however.
Reference:
Windows 8 ARM Press Release By Microsoft | Windows 8 News
and
Windows 8 ARM based tablets may launch before full desktop version ...
But the work of porting such a complex operating system, nevermind the SIZE, is way beyond anyone but the original author(s), especially since Windows is not open-source, which Android is.
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Maybe not for the Eris but there are some mean phones that could support it. Look at the hd2 I think it was. That phone came with winmo. Android got ported to it so it would be to easy to port winmo to any suitable phone.
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Would it be possible to put windows 7 or xp onto the Gtablet, or Mac 9.x or later for that matter? I don't know the amount of space needed for those operating systems but I do know that it would take more memory than the gtab has to offer.
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Would it be possible to put windows 7 or xp onto the Gtablet, or Mac 9.x or later for that matter? I don't know the amount of space needed for those operating systems but I do know that it would take more memory than the gtab has to offer.
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No for a number of reasons.
Definitely no for Win7 or XP...code is not ARM compatible & probably the same for MAC OSX. Apple also codes for specific hardware, thats way their OS is less suseptible to breaking from adding lots of differnt hardware.
Code is also so big that it would undoubtedly not fix.
And finally the Tegra simply isn't up to running bloated Windows & Mac programs that would suck the life out of your battery. Both cores of the Tegra would be runnning maxed out all the time if was code compatible.
May be possible with Win8 & quad core & greater Tegra's in the future though since MS is working to make Win8 Arm compatible.
Anybody considering installing Windows 8 on their Tablet S?
it won't work.
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Anybody considering installing Windows 8 on their Tablet S?
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Not me. I predict Windows 8 will experience the same level of success as did Windows 3.0, 95, Bob, ME, and Vista.
Windows 8 rt will only run on tabs that are specifically made for it.
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Windows 8 will not run, because it has not been developed for ARM processors, i doubt the tegra 2 will run it smoothly.
win 95 98 xp, should run very good though
ross231 said:
Windows 8 will not run, because it has not been developed for ARM processors, i doubt the tegra 2 will run it smoothly.
win 95 98 xp, should run very good though
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Actually it has been developed for ARM, hence why OP asked. But you're correct in that it won't run; its much like Android, each device needs a custom set of drivers and image developed for it and that only will happen for new devices with just Win8 on them. It's not like the desktop version which can be installed anywhere.
Windows 8 comes in two flavours, WinRT (which is an ARM-compatible version of Windows 8 which only includes Metro) and standard Windows 8 which is an x86-64 only image which includes legacy support. However, to run Windows 8 RT on an ARM device, it needs to be Windows certified. It then needs to run a Secure Boot (probably EFI-based) bootloader and must sign all of its boot sectors. I can be fairly confident that unless there are some pretty incredible leaps in development, we will never see Windows 8 RT on the Sony Tablet S.
Ironically, the hardware is not a problem. The Tegra 2 is an ARM processor, that conforms to all of the ARM Cortex guidelines. Our touchscreen controller is a common one and most of the other hardware (except for 3G equipment, and possibly the IR blaster) is either very common or already has device drivers that would make it theoretically possible to run Windows-style ARM images. Unfortunately, Windows 8 itself is the problem in this case.
Let's also not forget that Microsoft will only ever release Windows 8 RT pre-installed on signed-code OEM devices, making any sort of development or porting very very difficult.
hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
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hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
With all respect
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Tablet based on Tegra or Snapdragon gets Windows RT. This is Windows for ARM and will not run normal PC games.
Tabled based on X86 (for example Intel) gets Windows 8. This is windows for PC and will be able to run normal PC games (and windows applications). (if the GPU has enough power ofcourse)
Though I expect the ARM version will have much better battery life and is more suitable for a tablet.
And keep in mind that game developers are already making game engines for Windows RT. For example, there is already a demo for the Unreal3 Engine.
madshark2009 said:
hey guys there is a rumor about windows 8 coming out for tablets and im so excited for that .. yet my question is will this windows 8 for tablet be able to run windows games like a PC ? lets say i want to install some game like Need for speed or call of duty will it be able to run it as a PC windows ?
Thanks
With all respect
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i believe you're expecting to intall windows on Prime. Sorry to dissapoint you, but this will not be possible.. Windows 8 for tablet will only be available for OEM.
ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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Only available to manufacturers. Is not like normal windows where you buy a license on a store and install on any x86 computer. Is more like Windows Phones where the OS is attached with the phone..
And since is a closed source OS, i doubt the community can install it on other devices (maybe on tablets where exists models for both versions with the same hardware this can be done, i don't know)
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ooh thanks guys ! and what do you mean only available on oem ? ive seen videos on youtube about this asus having windows 8 on it ? well ?
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If you search wikipedia for Windows 8 RT you will see the hardware requirements and then see why you should not expect to see W8 on the TFP:
Hardware buttons: Must have five hardware buttons - 'Power', 'Rotation lock', 'Windows Key', 'Volume-up', 'Volume-down'. The Windows Key to be at least 10.5 mm in diameter.
Five-point digitizers: Microsoft requires that Windows 8 touch PCs use digitizers supporting a minimum of five touch points.
Mobile Broadband: If a mobile broadband device is integrated into a tablet or convertible system, then an assisted GPS radio is required
Display: Minimum native resolution/color depth is 1366x768 at a depth of 32-bits. The physical dimensions of the display panel must match the aspect ratio of the native resolution. The native resolution of the panel can be greater than 1366 (horizontally) and 768 (vertically).
Near field communication: Devices supporting NFC need to have visual marks to help users locate and use the proximity technology.
New button combination for Control-Alt-Delete: The new option is to press Windows Key + Power.
Storage: At least 10 GB free space, after the out-of-box experience completes.
Graphics: Direct3D 10 device with WDDM 1.2 driver
Camera: Minimum resolution 1280 x 720[5]
Ambient light sensor: 1-30k lux capable with dynamic range of 5-60K.
Accelerometer: three axes with data rates at or above 50 Hz
Magnetometer and gyroscope
USB 2.0: At least one controller and exposed port.
Networking: WLAN and Bluetooth 4.0 + LE (low energy)
System firmware: UEFI
Built-in speaker and microphone[6]
If anyone can resolve the hardware issues they then have to persuade MS to supply them with W8 Licences (projected to be 85$). There is no indication that W8RT will be sold as a retail product and it will be sold to tablet manufacturers - OEM's -original equipment manufacturer / manufacturing.
If I remember correctly, there was an app you could download from Google Play Store which would allow you to run a version of Windows 8 on your Transformer tablets. It required that you have W8 installed on a desktop and connected your tablet to it. If the system can run the OS if you paid for the app, it should be able to run it standalone as well. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...
Long story short, possible but unlikely.
You're looking for Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows 8 (vs the Intel version that will run all the old apps we known and love and run on our intel computers). It is certainly possible (hell, probably extremely easy) to install Windows RT on our Transformer Primes. In fact I'd venture a guess to say most of Asus' Windows RT tablets are nothing but transformers, an extra button, and a few extra hardware features Windows mandates it have (ie the "Windows" button). That being said, in a TECHNICAL sense, it should be uber easy to install Windows RT.
The issue comes with licensing, legalese, and most of the crap most of us here hate because all it does is make our lives more difficult and expensive when we know damn well the hardware is capable. Microsoft has already said a few things that don't sit right with me. A few below:
1. All Windows RT devices must have locked UEFI bootloaders (ie, NO installing Android or Ubuntu, when all 3 COULD be installed in dual-triple boot configurations)
2. Windows RT will only be available to OEMs to be installed from the factory (no installing to Android devices, despite the hardware being capable.)
3. All Windows RT devices must only be able to install software from the market (with MS's 30% cut like Apple) and ONLY be for the metro environment, not the legacy desktop.
This all being said, I'm the proud owner of the HTC HD2 and if you look at that thing, which Microsoft said would never get Windows Phone despite satisfying 98% of their hardware specs, it's currently running the latest versions of Windows Phone AND Android (JB). This is all from a device that shipped with Windows MOBILE 6.5 in October of 2010. Performance is on par with single-core windows phones and single-core snapdragon chips (similar to what's in the original EVO).
It's possible, the question is, who's willing to cross Microsoft, and what kind of encryption needs to be broken first. It WILL happen, the question is a) how long and b) which devices are popular/worth it enough to MAKE it happen.
Until Microsoft fixes their current trajectory to their own 'clo$ed eco$y$tem' like Apple, I'll wait...