It is a long time which developers attracted to WP7 and android, and I've never attracted to new builds in this section.
of-course it was started for me when I've tried the first customized ROM with my HD2.
When I had Diamond, the Cooked ROM were better than the Original ones but on my HD2, the original ones are better and more stable.
Any comments?
any Idea?
please give me your opinions.
wrong section.
stock roms better than customs in HD2? you havent tried many then.. or at all.
I had diamond too and there were really good custom roms but that time there was NONE this big jump from stock to better usability.
try elegancia for example and you find really stable, fast, eye candy rom with great stuff in it.
My HD (Blackstone) was abandoned by HTC with windows 6.1 and Manilla 2.1... the amazing Devs of XDA made it a WM6.5 Sense super-machine. The HD2 (Leo) is still the best WM phone out there and microsoft themselves aren't pushing out anything much new... so the Dev's haven't got the same amount of raw material to work from to take the HD2 beyond stock (not within WM anyway).
And as the post above says, "wrong section"!
I think that Marketing drives development, because from free development You can get money with support or with custom dev.
On WM6.5 there is no more marketing around by Microsoft, at least since WP7 was commercialized.
It's just because of Windows Mobile is dying. You can't help it. No new things to port, to tweak and to achieve on our devices. Add to that Android and Windows Phone 7 working perfectly on HD2 and there is your answer.
But I have to admit that there are few heroes supporting Windows Mobile, like sir Sternas who is still improving his ROM with his own Software. I have to say that WM is very useful and capable OS, it's just no one is developing and creating for it no more. I found it troublesome to find one decent twitter client (except Peep of course) for WM, whereas on Android I just head to Market, type twitter and BAM, dozens of twitter clients, one better than other, appear. I love Sense and tried hard to use Windows Mobile (best OS to use just as a phone and basic internet browser), but if I wanted to something more than it's included in phone, it's almost impossible. You understand me?
What ROM is Sterna's?
Sternas rom is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612580
"Stop worrying about Windows Mobile. The name is changing. It's not a big deal. It isn't a dead platform. (At least not yet, anyway. )"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11975316&postcount=1423
Cooked ROM on HD2
Check and search XDA for ROMs on my signature.
I agree, there have been no news for applications, I mean on the WM 6.5.5.
Developers, I believe, have given up developing apps for an already dead platform
nbee said:
"Stop worrying about Windows Mobile. The name is changing. It's not a big deal. It isn't a dead platform. (At least not yet, anyway. )"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11975316&postcount=1423
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The page you reference clearly says that there will be no more phones with anything other than WP7. The other devices are specialized for a certain purpose, or are tablets / pads, etc. Not phones.
I love WM despite it's flaws, but I don't expect more applications. The people from which I have purchased WM software are only updating android.
nbee said:
"Stop worrying about Windows Mobile. The name is changing. It's not a big deal. It isn't a dead platform. (At least not yet, anyway. )"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11975316&postcount=1423
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Thanks for quoting the info.
Many people are visiting here everyday. Windows Mobile is not dead. The cooked ROM is updated more frequent than the official stock ROM. It is still alive
As an application developer I loved Windows Mobile as it was a very capable platform (I have apps that I wrote for it that I couldn't have written for other mobile device) and the development tools (Visual Studio, SQL Server CE, etc) rock, so I'm not really happy or understand why WM is dying, but it seems it is. The question is what to replace it with. XDA Developers seems to jumped over to Android, and likely I try developing something for Android, but no doubt it will take some time before I find something I like better then Windows Mobile (I'm still writing apps for WM as its the platform I like to use myself and the ROMs here rock, for example I'm using the Energy HD2 ROM and can't find a reason to leave it, what does Android give me that Energy doesn't have?)
Android
DukeNukem said:
As an application developer I loved Windows Mobile as it was a very capable platform (I have apps that I wrote for it that I couldn't have written for other mobile device) and the development tools (Visual Studio, SQL Server CE, etc) rock, so I'm not really happy or understand why WM is dying, but it seems it is. The question is what to replace it with. XDA Developers seems to jumped over to Android, and likely I try developing something for Android, but no doubt it will take some time before I find something I like better then Windows Mobile (I'm still writing apps for WM as its the platform I like to use myself and the ROMs here rock, for example I'm using the Energy HD2 ROM and can't find a reason to leave it, what does Android give me that Energy doesn't have?)
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Android is the way to go. It has a brighter future that windows 7. It is becoming a very nice os. Windows 7 is a dead duck cant do anything with it.
What do you find in this ugly Android? Except the faster reaction comparing to WM.
It's even a problem to find a good dialer for Android.
Rest Windows Mobile rocks. Very flexible and customizable. Lot of dealers for your choice. Lot of other software.
I don't understand why people jump to some other system.
I better use WM7 then Android.
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What do you find in this ugly Android? Except the faster reaction comparing to WM.
It's even a problem to find a good dialer for Android.
Rest Windows Mobile rocks. Very flexible and customizable. Lot of dealers for your choice. Lot of other software.
I don't understand why people jump to some other system.
I better use WM7 then Android.
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Android is better because the development is continuing (unlike Winmo).
You will know why is Android better if you use Android as native (in Android handset not in HD2)
Cheers..
silverwind said:
Android is better because the development is continuing (unlike Winmo).
You will know why is Android better if you use Android as native (in Android handset not in HD2)
Cheers..
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Based on my experience with the LG G2X (I have two of them) android is a battery sucking nightmare that can't even download emails on a regular basis. Not to mention all the privacy concerns and ridiculous amounts of ads. It is useless as a business phone. It seems to be a toy OS for kids.
My HD2 with Elegancia by Steve runs flawlessly. If I want android toys and games a SD version works fine.
My wife wants to keep her G2X, but mine is going back because it is a piece of crap.
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Based on my experience with the LG G2X (I have two of them) android is a battery sucking nightmare that can't even download emails on a regular basis. Not to mention all the privacy concerns and ridiculous amounts of ads. It is useless as a business phone. It seems to be a toy OS for kids.
My HD2 with Elegancia by Steve runs flawlessly. If I want android toys and games a SD version works fine.
My wife wants to keep her G2X, but mine is going back because it is a piece of crap.
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I understand about battery sucking in Android But it also happens with Iphone and BB
So, it doesnt mean Android is bad...
I think the development of Battery technology is far left behind from the development of the device and os..
The disadvantage is as you said about privacy and ads, I do agree with you
About WInmo, dont get me wrong, I still keep my HD2 and it runs smooth with Platinum Series (see my sig). Only that, you dont have market to play with. Windows Market is not interesting to me So, I rarely play with my HD2, instead I use it more with SD Android ...
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hello im new here. i dont have hd2 but interested on it . is it true that u can run android 2.2 froyo rom in this phone? please share thanks
yes, go look in the android thread in here
just buy the new HTC Desire HD and you are done
yes, but the device was never meant to be for android, better to get an adroid device if ur interested in it.
no its all lies.
Yeah, it is just a rumor proliferated by some Android fanboys jealous of our hardware.
So if I buy htc hd2 is it for sure ill get android on it and also windoes. I think its awesome. I saw it on gsmarena website that they put android 2.2 rom in hd2
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My friend has android on his HD2, he complains about its functionality a lot!
So i guess it's better to stick to WM and use CHT for a better interface
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My friend has android on his HD2, he complains about its functionality a lot!
So i guess it's better to stick to WM and use CHT for a better interface
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+1
Android = No good on Hd2
An entire os running from an SD card is rather clunky and just cant really compete.
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Android = No good on Hd2
An entire os running from an SD card is rather clunky and just cant really compete.
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To offer an alternative view:
I've recently switched to running Android permanently on my HD2. I've even flashed the ChuckyDROID cut-down winmo ROM designed to boot Android as quickly as possible, so I'm not even using winmo as a fallback.
Recent HD2 Android builds are quite stable, and the performance and battery life is easily comparable to what I had under WinMo. I use Bangsters version, and it's great; there are many others reported to be working fine too.
It does take a bit of reading to find a good combination of the available options to suit your needs - the most important thing I found was to get the right radio version and a suitable winmo ROM build flashed to your device.
There's plenty of information on how to get it all working in the HD2 Android Development forum, but I can vouch that it does work.
joelfinch said:
To offer an alternative view:
I've recently switched to running Android permanently on my HD2. I've even flashed the ChuckyDROID cut-down winmo ROM designed to boot Android as quickly as possible, so I'm not even using winmo as a fallback.
Recent HD2 Android builds are quite stable, and the performance and battery life is easily comparable to what I had under WinMo. I use Bangsters version, and it's great; there are many others reported to be working fine too.
It does take a bit of reading to find a good combination of the available options to suit your needs - the most important thing I found was to get the right radio version and a suitable winmo ROM build flashed to your device.
There's plenty of information on how to get it all working in the HD2 Android Development forum, but I can vouch that it does work.
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+1 on this. Android has come a very long way. However, this IS a WinMo phone and I would not recommend that you buy it if your intention is using android as your primary OS. There are TONS of devices out there now that are either identical to or better than the HD2 in hardware and they run android flawlessly as the primary OS.
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+1 on this. Android has come a very long way. However, this IS a WinMo phone and I would not recommend that you buy it if your intention is using android as your primary OS. There are TONS of devices out there now that are either identical to or better than the HD2 in hardware and they run android flawlessly as the primary OS.
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TONS is really a bit overstated.
Samsung has Android phones of comparable hardware, however most of them perform bsdly (If the reviews are right) and running on Android 1.6,,,,
There are only a few phones comparable not tons.
If one comes from WinMo, it is a nice option to run Android.
I have not(yet) heard of Android devices running WinMo.
The HD2 is still the most powerfull machine around beeing able to run both.
Completely switching to Android is a very definitive step in my opinion.
Beeing able to switch between the two is (again, n my opinion) a big plus.
Also: NAND is apparently just around the corner, meaning one can FLASH Android on the HD2, thus no longer run it from SD. (And loosing dual boot possibilities) This should perform better, and since the IO is not going to SD, probably the batterylife will be longer.
As rumours go: It should be possible to flash to Android and back to WinMo
Another great option for this remarkable machine.
But enough of pro-HD2 talk, Could you give me a list of phones beeing able to do all that?
The Droid X, Droid2, All the variants of the Samsung Galaxy, Desire HD, EVO, Nexus One, Droid Incredible. 3.7" on a couple of those but they are still very similar devices hardware wise. Since xda members make sure to root every phone weeks before it even launches the version of android that it happens to be running is sort of a moot point.
Compared to the options that were out there when the HD2 came out, I consider this tons.
But I think the point of my post was missed entirely. I would never trade the HD2 for any of them. It is by far the BEST phone for ME.
However, I cannot recommend someone buying a phone with the sole intent of running an alternate OS when there are so many similar options out that are designed with android. The HD2 may be the most versatile phone out there but aside from those of us who are able/willing/committed/experienced enough to take advantage of that, your average user typically is not happy with it. I have had 3 people I work with purchase the phone (despite my warning) after seeing what I have done with it. 2 of them returned it. The 3rd constantly complains to me about x y and z.
Anyway, my point was that the OP should consider whether they are getting the phone only to run android. If that is the case, they should take a look at some other options before doing so.
Like posted above, I would not buy this phone if your main intention is running Android. But if you are interested in dual booting Android and Winmo then this is the best choice. I use both an equal amount of time, my info is in my signature and I can tell you I am extremely happy. WinMo will always be my primary but it's nice to use Android to sample a few new games or listen to Pandora. I prefer the option of which to use so I will never flash the Nand version.
But finding the right combination is really up to you as a lot can depend on your Winmo build of choice, the radio, and which Android build you use as different combinations can have varying results. For example I use the builds in my sig with that radio as it works best for me in my area in terms of battery life and connection speed. Now someone in say, New York may get better results with a different radio or different WinMo build. It's up to you to try them all
Maybe it's me but way will people buy a WM device if thy will/need a Android?
Okay fore people who have there HD2 already, and thy will switching to Android I could understand (white lots of imagination)
but peoples who don't ha a device, and must buy one way you will buy a WM device if you need a Android?
I don't understand it!
it's the same fore me to buy a diesel car and after that I will transform it to a engine car!?
not to blame peoples but way make live complicate?
kurt-willems said:
Maybe it's me but way will people buy a WM device if thy will/need a Android?
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Perhaps because they are used to WinMo and would like to eperiment with Android?
kurt-willems said:
Okay fore people who have there HD2 already, and thy will switching to Android I could understand (white lots of imagination)
but peoples who don't ha a device, and must buy one way you will buy a WM device if you need a Android?
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Well: Use proven technology, while beeeing able to experiment with Android and eveluate its possibilities/capabilities.
HD2 is the top on speccs and has dual boot capability.
kurt-willems said:
I don't understand it!
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I do: it's a hacker thing, beeing able to put things to your hand, make it do what you want, not what it is intended for.
kurt-willems said:
it's the same fore me to buy a diesel car and after that I will transform it to a engine car!?
not to blame peoples but way make live complicate?
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It is not the same, it is like buying a Diesel car, adding a petrol engine and using whatever you want (either depending on fuel price, or depending on driving style you want to experience that moment)
Running Android of SD Card is not transforming your device, it is extending it's capabilities.
One can experiment with Android while it is still possible to "revert" to WinMo.
eg: during the office hours WinMo, in the evening Android, as a hobby, from interest, playing games fill in....
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The Droid X, Droid2, All the variants of the Samsung Galaxy, Desire HD, EVO, Nexus One, Droid Incredible. 3.7" on a couple of those but they are still very similar devices hardware wise. [...]
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still no TONS....
Quite a few, but it is not like HD2 is completely outclassed by these devices....
But remains: wich ones can do dual boot?....
Rest my case
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still no TONS....
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Semantics
Quite a few, but it is not like HD2 is completely outclassed by these devices....
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You are correct. The HD2 is absolutely not outclassed by any of those devices and I never said it was. I simply noted that they are very similar in terms of hardware. The EVO is perhaps the only one that has same or better stats in all areas. My wife has an EVO but I personally perfer my HD2 because of the dual-boot versatility you mentioned.
But remains: wich ones can do dual boot?....
Rest my case
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AFAIK none. But I don't think that is relevant to the advice I gave.
To reiterate: Buying the HD2 with the intention of running android as the primary OS is in my opinion a mistake. There are better options that do not require -
a) running off of the SD card
b) changing the radio (and possibly the ROM as well)
c) 99% functionality
d) waiting (and hoping) for a quick nand solution
However, already owning an HD2 and deciding that you are bored with WM is completely understandable. If the OP is good with tech/gagets, experienced with WinMo, enjoys the occasional hard-reset when tweaking has gone awry, and wants a phone that can dual-boot WM and droid, then the HD2 is an outstanding choice for him/her. If the OP wants to buy an HD2 and use nothing but android on it... I think that is kind of silly. Since they never made clear thier intent, this is really all pointless speculation.
ap3604 I can also report, the android ins't better than hd2 in native OS
Wilco said:
Perhaps because they are used to WinMo and would like to eperiment with Android?
Well: Use proven technology, while beeeing able to experiment with Android and eveluate its possibilities/capabilities.
HD2 is the top on speccs and has dual boot capability.
I do: it's a hacker thing, beeing able to put things to your hand, make it do what you want, not what it is intended for.
It is not the same, it is like buying a Diesel car, adding a petrol engine and using whatever you want (either depending on fuel price, or depending on driving style you want to experience that moment)
Running Android of SD Card is not transforming your device, it is extending it's capabilities.
One can experiment with Android while it is still possible to "revert" to WinMo.
eg: during the office hours WinMo, in the evening Android, as a hobby, from interest, playing games fill in....
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Faelok said:
Semantics
You are correct. The HD2 is absolutely not outclassed by any of those devices and I never said it was. I simply noted that they are very similar in terms of hardware. The EVO is perhaps the only one that has same or better stats in all areas. My wife has an EVO but I personally perfer my HD2 because of the dual-boot versatility you mentioned.
AFAIK none. But I don't think that is relevant to the advice I gave.
To reiterate: Buying the HD2 with the intention of running android as the primary OS is in my opinion a mistake. There are better options that do not require -
a) running off of the SD card
b) changing the radio (and possibly the ROM as well)
c) 99% functionality
d) waiting (and hoping) for a quick nand solution
However, already owning an HD2 and deciding that you are bored with WM is completely understandable. If the OP is good with tech/gagets, experienced with WinMo, enjoys the occasional hard-reset when tweaking has gone awry, and wants a phone that can dual-boot WM and droid, then the HD2 is an outstanding choice for him/her. If the OP wants to buy an HD2 and use nothing but android on it... I think that is kind of silly. Since they never made clear thier intent, this is really all pointless speculation.
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All you guy's statements are on point.
My experience is coming from the G1 phone - HD2. I loved Android when it was on my G1. I rooted, hacked, and flashed a billion times (exaggerated; but felt like it). But when I found out that the HD2 was coming to the US, I had to jump on it. The hardware and spec sheet was HUGE compared to the phones that were available in the US at the time. C'mon, 4.3" screen vs. a 3.2"? No contest. I'm a multimedia geek, and this was a huge plus!
I love my HD2. WM was a new experience for me thus I read pages after pages after pages just so I can better my phone than the next persons' HD2. You guys above me saying that the HD2 is versatile, YES.. Very much so. I did everything on my HD2 w/WM. But I really missed the Android Market and it's apps...
Now, when Android was being pushed into development into the HD2.. this changed the game. WM + Cookies / GTX / SPB MS / etc is great (still is).. but someone who has experience with Android, loves the OS, and wants to see it on a phone with this much on the spec sheet, wouldn't let it slip by. I didn't. I use Android on a daily basis. It is my primary OS, only because I feel as if I have come to an end with WM on my HD2.
When I found out dual booting WM + Android, this made my HD2 even better! What Android is missing on the HD2... WM has. Or vice versa, IMO. For instance... I use a 98% stable build.. At least. GPS / BT will not work. Not a big deal for me. When I travel, I switch to WM. Done.
Lastly, I do agree with one of the above post. If you don't have an HD2 and want the phone solely for the purpose of running Android as a primary... DONT. Unless you're willing to put some time in running WM and getting familiar with it.
I believe hacking the HD2 to dual boot WM+Android is like riding a motorcycle for the first time... Start off in a smaller displacement bike and work your way up. Don't shoot for the fastest bike or you're bound to drop it.
And I think I like windows better, just because I can't seem to customize the screen on the andriod mode and it seems very limited ....what is the best Andriod ROM out there that is like a a full version of the andriod OS?
Same here, I only just started using Android last week. At first it was hard to get exactly what I wanted in the OS, but then I found out that if you press the Windows hardware key on the HD2, that brings up a settings menu for things.
I'm currently using the "Mdeejay eVo Sense v. 2.3 rEVOlution" ROM.
FenderGuy said:
And I think I like windows better, just because I can't seem to customize the screen on the andriod mode and it seems very limited ....what is the best Andriod ROM out there that is like a a full version of the andriod OS?
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I've played around with it for a while now and it has pros and cons. The ROM below works well. The home screen can add widgets. My preference is still for WinMo.
Hate to say it, but I'm still a huge fan of WM as well. Even after testing out many solid Android 2.2+ Nexus, EVO Sense, and Desire Sense builds on the HD2, and using iPhones for years, WM is still better for my daily needs in regard to getting work and basic operations done. Plus, the WM combination of voice command and bluetooth for hands free use still outperforms Android by magnitudes here. Moreover, I still prefer Core Player, Pocket Player, NanoGroove, Scilors Groove, MS Office & Exchange, ThumbCal, Mobile Invoice, iGuidance, iGo, Elecont Weather, etc..., as well as customized Sense with CHT over any Android or iPhone counterparts or equivalents at this time. That said, there are parts of Android I like much more, including the market, speech to text, live wallpapers, many of the 100,000 apps and games, lol..., as well as the ever increasing kernel development. Guess it really comes down to what apps and operations you use the most and are most comfortable with. For work and basic stuff, it's all WM here. For fun it's trying out new Android builds, launchers, themes, as well as testing new apps, and gaming with Android and iOS, lol...
As far as good builds of Android for the HD2, there are many, including NexusHD2 v1.5 by tytung (my favorite at this time), HyperDroid and HyperDroid Sense by pongster, Mdeejay's EVO and Desire Sense builds, plus lots of other excellent builds that I'm forgetting at the moment. If you use Exceller's Multiple Build Loader, you can easily switch and test out as many as you can fit on your memory card at once.
Best to all,
R
I'm using the core series V4 which has the Andriod boot built into the rom, its really cool but not all andriod roms seem to work with it. I wonder why?
I've really grown to love android over the last few months, but I still don't want to completely replace winmo. Android has a lot of apps and is really user friendly, but winmo is still way more customizable and seems to have more functional, better apps... even though there are less to choose from. 95% of android apps are useless and pointless.
I like android and winmo both pretty equally right now. I'm sure my next phone will be android as winmo isn't being actively developed for anymore like android is.... but for now I can have both OS's on my phone, which is perfect for me.
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I know this is an idiot question.
But I want to fire a subject to let people think about!
It would be good if we can experience this marvelous OS on this cheap device
Possible, but considering the fact that WM is a proprietary OS, porting it to something it wasn't meant for is extremely hard, but I think is still possible.
Windows 7 is not an open operating system. So there will never be a port. And even if it would be possible, there would be still missing hardware drivers...
Well, even if they could, why would someone try to port WM7 when we've got Android, which is pretty damn awesome with almost no restrictions...?
reminds me of porting android to the kaiser, but with far more problems...
if there were a wp7 device with similar specs it could be made possible.
but, as the previous post says, what's the point?
android for kaiser was a good-ish idea, as wm6 is... well... wm6.
well. just have a look at HD2
My colleague has just put DarkForceTeam WP7 Rom to HD2, I found it was really wonderful.
If we can do something like this to our P500, that would be marvelous. We have a big chance to enjoy an absolutely new OS on our cheap cellphone.
I still hope and thank to some developers who can do this.
I don't see any reason, why somebody should port this bad os to the optimus one.
Sorry for WP7 bashing
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I don't see any reason, why somebody should port this bad os to the optimus one.
Sorry for WP7 bashing
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What if for some reason there's a WP7 rom for the O1, and that it doesn't have the touchscreen lag bug. Would you switch?
Still don't think i would do that, doubt WP7 will be as successful as Android.
herohut said:
well. just have a look at HD2
My colleague has just put DarkForceTeam WP7 Rom to HD2, I found it was really wonderful.
If we can do something like this to our P500, that would be marvelous. We have a big chance to enjoy an absolutely new OS on our cheap cellphone.
I still hope and thank to some developers who can do this.
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And so.......Exactly WHEN Android became a "non New OS" ??
Someone thinks that Android is the BEST OS for smartphone..............
Other people thinks that iOS is the BEST OS for smartphone............
BUT all thinks that Microsoft Mobile (6.5 - 7) is the WORST OS for smartphone.........
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And so.......Exactly WHEN Android became a "non New OS" ??
BUT all thinks that Microsoft Mobile (6.5 - 7) is the WORST OS for smartphone.........
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Was there anyone who said this idiot thing 3-4 years ago?
If there is a new thing born, idiot people will have a new chance to compare with the previous ones.
If you first look at the home screen of an iOS, an Android, a Bada OS, Windows Mobile menu: ohhhhh, icons, icons and icons, yes they are almost similar, even in more details. From years to years, they are still almost similar. And if you first look at a Windows Phone 7 phone: ohhhhh different, you can realize the difference even if you don't like that style.
If you research more and learn about the technical things, you will find that the collection of these OS are all based on Linux. Windows Phone 7 is absolutely new architecture which is built by user experiences of Microsoft in years.
BUT don't put the idiot words on Windows Phone 7 if you haven't touched it even just once.
My personal idea: use Windows Phone 7: professional OS
@herohut:
I see your profile picture is the XAML logo, which means you are probably a fan of Microsoft. I myself like to use WPF, .NET, C# and Microsoft technologies, and I'll explain why.
It's not about the look of Windows 7 or MSN. Microsoft deserves respect. If you look back into history, or even now in Wikipedia, you will see that there are two families of operating systems - UNIX and Windows. UNIX once included the true UNIX, but now almost all of UNIX operating systems are based on Linux; some on BSD; some on Solaris; and off course Apple's Mac OS and iOS. The core difference between Windows-based and UNIX-like operating systems is that ALMOST all (not all) of the UNIX-like operating systems are open-source.
Off course, it is not bad for a software to be open-source, but the main problem is that almost every developer makes his own variation of the software, resulting in instability. There is no way to proove it, but everybody here should agree with it.
On the other hand, Microsoft is a developer of proprietary software, which is not only stable, but rich-featured and customizable. It is not a secret that most of Windows, Office, Visual Studio and other Microsoft products can be programatically controlled, yet closed-source. Microsoft is the developer of high-end costumer software, which means the software requirments often fulfill the quality of the software.
Linux and most UNIX-like operating systems are intended for use in either weak machines, or on supercomputers. It is also known that Windows 7 can use maximum 192 GB RAM (Which is sad for supercomputers). As a very minimalistic and customizable kernel, Linux can be tweaked to work even on a piece of wood.
So for a customer use OS, I say Windows.
As for base-level modifications, advanced features and supercomputer usage, I say Linux.
EDIT: To be on-topic:
Microsoft says it is good to have a 1GHz processor to run Windows Phone. From personal experience I can tell that it is better to buy a phone with a 1GHz processor than to modify Windows Phone to run on Optimus One. The reason is simple - preformance.
So, if you want Windows on your Optimus One, simply make a Windows Mobile 6.5/6.5.1 firmware.
And if you want to develop with familiar to you techologies, simply visit monodroid.net
Very well spoken ianis.. I will have to agree with this Guy.
And I will say at very least run 1gb for optimistic to run a wp7 port..
But im content with what I have been given for the dollars I paid.
carry on...
Astroturf?
You can off course theme the Optimus One to look like Windows Phone, but I have noticed lately that most "visual themes" are just a piece of ...err...trash.
While I was waiting for Windows 7 to come out, I decided to theme a XP machine to look like 7, just for fun.
When I searched "XP themes", I noticed that more than 95% of the results were: XP theme for ME, Vista theme for XP and 7 theme for Vista. I asked myself "Why?". There wasn't any difference. The same themes from page to page. All people just wanted to make their old OS look newer, probably without even knowing that it is possible to upgrade Windows. I noticed the same thing around here: many newbies requested a Gingerbread theme. Not even the music equalizer. I felt somehow...strange seeing people mad for a new look of their battery/WiFi icon. And not just a new look. The SAME as Gingerbread's.
I don't even believe that these people know what a system process is. And they don't care for it. They are all ready to pay money for a Gingerbread theme!
Sorry, I've gone slightly mad, but I now I feel somehow relaxed after sharing my opinion.
Ianis G. Vasilev said:
@herohut:
I see your profile picture is the XAML logo, which means you are probably a fan of Microsoft. I myself like to use WPF, .NET, C# and Microsoft technologies, and I'll explain why.
It's not about the look of Windows 7 or MSN. Microsoft deserves respect. If you look back into history, or even now in Wikipedia, you will see that there are two families of operating systems - UNIX and Windows. UNIX once included the true UNIX, but now almost all of UNIX operating systems are based on Linux; some on BSD; some on Solaris; and off course Apple's Mac OS and iOS. The core difference between Windows-based and UNIX-like operating systems is that ALMOST all (not all) of the UNIX-like operating systems are open-source.
Off course, it is not bad for a software to be open-source, but the main problem is that almost every developer makes his own variation of the software, resulting in instability. There is no way to proove it, but everybody here should agree with it.
On the other hand, Microsoft is a developer of proprietary software, which is not only stable, but rich-featured and customizable. It is not a secret that most of Windows, Office, Visual Studio and other Microsoft products can be programatically controlled, yet closed-source. Microsoft is the developer of high-end costumer software, which means the software requirments often fulfill the quality of the software.
Linux and most UNIX-like operating systems are intended for use in either weak machines, or on supercomputers. It is also known that Windows 7 can use maximum 192 GB RAM (Which is sad for supercomputers). As a very minimalistic and customizable kernel, Linux can be tweaked to work even on a piece of wood.
So for a customer use OS, I say Windows.
As for base-level modifications, advanced features and supercomputer usage, I say Linux.
EDIT: To be on-topic:
Microsoft says it is good to have a 1GHz processor to run Windows Phone. From personal experience I can tell that it is better to buy a phone with a 1GHz processor than to modify Windows Phone to run on Optimus One. The reason is simple - preformance.
So, if you want Windows on your Optimus One, simply make a Windows Mobile 6.5/6.5.1 firmware.
And if you want to develop with familiar to you techologies, simply visit monodroid.net
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I am absolutely agreed with this guy and thank you for your good idea.
I have certainly known the requirements that Microsoft forced hardware manufactures to follow: these are the standard to obtain 100% performance of WP7
But there's one thing to remark: Windows Phone 7 is not as heavy as it is thought to be. 1GHz CPU mades WP7 running very fast (as in HD2), i feel that if we have WP7 running on OptimusOne at 60% performance of WP7 standard (40% slower) [600MHz/1GHz * 100% = 60%], it will be still fast enough for us to enjoy WP7. Just see how much slower the OptimusOne runs in comparison to other Android smartphones with 1GHz.
And yes, I am a fan of Microsoft software technologies, especially the thing on my avatar, it is extremely faster to write something that runs on WP7 than in other OS
I'm currently trying to MOD HD2's Windows Phone MOD
(It's fun MODing MODs...)
Hey! I'm trying to play with HD2 WP7 DarkForces Team ROM, too. But I am just a beginner in this MOD world, trying to find out if it is possible to run WP7 on my Optimus One.
Invoke me if you need someone to mod together.
WP7 wonderful os? LOL
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Incompatible processor...not only the cycles per second, but the instructions. WP7 requires an ARM7 processor with extentions. To run it on an ARM6 Cortex there are two ways:
Hypervisor virtualization - should be very complex;
Decompile the WP7 binary and recompile it with all stock drivers remastered. Sounds harder but is probably easier.
Any help will be accepted.
Good evening XDA crew,
I was just wondering if there is going to be a possibility of a SD bootable version of WM6.5 in the future? Is it technically possible? What are the limitations?
Everyone's (rightly) moving away from WM6.5 and jumping onto the Android bandwagon, myself included, but WM6.5 still earns a place on the HD2, imo.
For two reasons for me anyway - TomTom and LowCaller.
Being able to boot WM6.5 as a secondary OS would be ideal.
So what's the verdict?
I read something either earlier or yesterday (can't remember where on xda) that cotulla was working on getting wm6.5 to boot from an sd card. I don't know if it's true and i can't verifiy it or find the thread i saw it in so don;t hold your breath.
One other thing, please don't assume that using android over WM6.5 is the best choice for everyone. It is just your opinion that android is better. Your post insinuates that any other opinion is wrong. For example, my opinion is that android is an immature, open source, iphone clone for immature, fan boy teenagers. This is not wrong, it is just my opinion. Please take that onboard for the future
Personaly, I don't know if this will be possible. (major doubt about it). But I can be wrong.
but let's be honest, running Android (what is relative a small OS) from your SD works but if we ar honest, it isn't the same as running as if it is install on internal memory.
Now we have WM who is a more large OS. imaging it running from SD
What I will say (I'm a big fan of WM) is we all knows that WM is sometimes what slow/buggy. So if tomorrow it will run from your SD-card I will have doubs about how good it will be.
If I was you I take a good WM custom ROM and run android from your SD-card.
Looks like it's in the works!
http://twitter.com/cotullacode
# We (DFT Team) developing several interesting stuffs for LEO, like WM65 running from SD card! 1:00 AM Feb 1st via web
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Fantastic news for those of us who rely on WM for navigation and Android for everything else!
^agree^
I lost all the utility I had when it came to backpacking/hiking. Geocache and even when it came to navigating with meens other then gps winmo is still the strongest OS. Anyone remember 100% free orbcast and other, iptv ipcc? Those days may not be behind us with this. I love bits and pieces of all the moder platforms, but none provide the real/true utility value of wm65
^^^ +1 for this.
It will most probably take some time (for any platform) to re-discover all the niches which are still being served by WinMo 6.5.
As long as it´s a niche which promises commercial success, one would think it will go fast - but then again, there is some massive doubt about that, considering the current situation.
However, "homebrew" solutions are king when it comes to smaller niches - this is, for the time being, the strength of the Android platform. It was an old, traditional strength of Windows Mobile. Just consider the xda platform we are all being a part of right now.
thats very true, unfortunetly most of my primary utilization of wm was simply that a niche, I must have adopted more niche uses then any other user lol
I know a while ago there was talk of cotulla and friends getting WM6.5 to run off SD, does anyone know anything from irc or anywhere if this was completely abandoned?
would be pretty cool.
haven't heard anything, though not too up to date on the IRC stuff.
but no talk here minus that one post by cotulla.
if i may, what is on WM that android doesn't have? i don't use my phone but for a few programs (specific work things) and modding is mainly a distraction for me...but am curious how a dual-OS existence works in real life. just pondering. (now i am all about the development as well, it is bad ass to have options, but just philosophizing..if that is a word...)
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haven't heard anything, though not too up to date on the IRC stuff.
but no talk here minus that one post by cotulla.
if i may, what is on WM that android doesn't have? i don't use my phone but for a few programs (specific work things) and modding is mainly a distraction for me...but am curious how a dual-OS existence works in real life. just pondering. (now i am all about the development as well, it is bad ass to have options, but just philosophizing..if that is a word...)
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well currently I have WP7 and Android dual-boot. The reason it's nice is because WP7 does have a couple games I like and just for the "fun change OS" factor. Practically speaking neither WM6.5 nor WP7 have anything really functionally better, but I miss playing "experiment 13" on WM6.5 and I also wanted to play with all of the new CHT goodies I see for fun. It's more of an enjoyment thing than any real practical need.
I dual boot between 6.5 and android.
6.5 for work when I need a solid data connection and a no nonsense browser (opera 9.7).
Android at home when I want to use the XDA app and look at pictures of cats hiding in shoes....
About 6.5 from SD.
I think it may take them some time as Wm as an OS is somewhat more awkward and tricky to tinker with than android. As far as porting it is concerned. That's what I read somewhere anyway....
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It would be great to have winmo on sd many of us could then go to nand Android having opportunity to boot winmo as alternative. For example I have my beloved gps soft on winmo...
I too think it would be great to boot Win Mo from SD. This would give poople the awsome ability to still use Win Mo after that have went NAND Andriod or WP7. I myself still use the stock Win Mo ROM as my daily and preferred OS cause it fits me better and my needs better. But if I was abale to boot Win Mo from SD I would give WP7 a try for a while. I like Andriod well enough but it is just not as functional to me plus I can running it from SD anytime I want so I see no reason to go NAND.
I do think it will take a good bet longer to achieve this ability though cause compared to Andriod Windows Mobile is a much larger OS and it is written with different code. But if anyone can do it is the Cottula and the rest of DFT.
I agree it would be nice. Actually having all the OS options on boot would be nice. Just was curious what people use in Wm that isn't available elsewhere. Cool!
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jsmccabe78 said:
I agree it would be nice. Actually having all the OS options on boot would be nice. Just was curious what people use in Wm that isn't available elsewhere. Cool!
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To answer your queatuon it is really not that things in Win Mo are not avaliable in other OS'c but that so much comes built into Win Mo and for the functionality of it is more complete, atleast for me. Take things like internet sharingl/tethering and WiFi sharing. With Win Mo all you have to do is install the application and you are good. With Andriod you have to root the device for this and many more things. I like the full functionality of Micosoft Office compared to it on other mobile OS's. I like the feel of Win Mo too as it is more like a mobile PC or a extention of your home or office PC. Plus Win Mo is a true stand alone OS where as Andriod runs on top of Linux. Also to me Andriod feels more like a childs toy than a truly functional OS. Now I have not had but a limited amount of experience with WP7, but to me it is less functional than Andriod and more of a reversion to a some what dumb phone OS as it gives you limited capabilities and interface. That is just my opinion.
Would a sd build be with or without sense?
I agree it.Thank you for sharing, like very much
Very much down to whoever cooks the Roms. Once such a port is achieved anyone will be able to build roms so you'll get one of your choice.
If anyone can take care of this its cotulla and his crew!
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