Hi,
I'm quite confused with all this, I know that the Atrix Bootloader is locked, but what does that mean. I thought it meant we can not install roms, but what is gingerblur?
Can someone clarify this for me, thanks
Ben
+ deoxed files (what are they) THANKS
someone must know...
You can not install full roms. The roms available are just what other devices would call themes and hacks.
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im gonna bump this thread.
A locked bootloader is one thing but the Atrix has both a locked bootloader and a signed one which means any files that we would like to flash over need to be checked if they have moto's sign otherwise they'll be blocked from being flashed.
Keep in mind this means that "roms" are still possible its just that kernels/radios cannot be improved or installed. In the Atrix's case I assume a bit more than this since the OS was built around the webtop so there may be additional sections of the android OS unaccessible.
Gingerblur changes the android OS with various build.prop edits and removed/added apks. Of course there is also a theme applied which was created by editing the framework-res.apk
Deodex files are there as opposed to odexed files which you can find in the /system/apps/ folder in the atrix by default. Deodexed roms runs applications directly from the source of the apk where odexed roms force certain applications to load on boot but this usually interferes with modifications which is why any of the themes available require a deodexed rom.
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I'm new to Android (I'll have my Atrix tomorrow), and hearing all this concern about the locked bootloader has me questioning what an unlocked bootloader would actually get us. On a PC or Mac, a bootloader would let you install multiple OS's to your system and load any of them at will. It's useful, but I wouldn't be upset if I couldn't do it. I think I must be missing something. On Android how does this differ? I noticed there's already at least one custom ROM (GingerBlur) available and working on the Atrix, which means we can already run custom ROMs... What else is there? If the bootloader were unlocked, what more would that actually get us?
that rom, from my understanding (fairly new to android and waiting for my atrix too) is only a pseudoROM that doesnt actually change the OS only edits the framework of the current one. a locked bootloader means we cannot run custom/vanilla versions of android and so we are stuck waiting for AT&T or Bell or motorola to decide when we can update to the latest version of android.
without a locked bootloader we are stuck being a pawn in 3 big companies' game of chess.
Kernels my friend. Allow us to toggle art" 4g" manually. And others like enable hardware to use features like 1080p record. And able to get (which is currently limited to 2 points of recognition touch) ore like 5 or 10 ( to use the hardware fully)
Kernels, which are the meat of any good rom. It allows us to make ROMS that allow for overcpocking, wiping the slatefor a fresh, lean build, and many other things.
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like has been said, basically you are correct, in that it lets us load custom OS's and ROMs
as someone above me said the ROM released now is only a pseudoROM, and only edits existing framework. an unlocked bootloader would allow us to load fresh version of Android without any bloat and allow us to overclock the already impressive processor in the Atrix.
Basically - unlocked bootloader = unlocked near infinite potential for the Atrix.
When you think of the possibility of an unlocked bootloader combined with the Atrix hardware it's easy to forget what you already have in hand. I don't think that there is any phone out (custom rom or not) that is ALL AROUND better than the Atrix is right out the box. The bootloader will get cracked but until then enjoy your 3k quadrant scores, great GPS, screen, and webtop.
I'm new to the whole thing of rooting, i'm new to androids to be specific. I spent the last two years modding iOS's but my last iphone 4 was stolen and i got my hands on the new SGS2. I like it a lot but i still want to take more out of it.
Why ROOT my phone? What are the pros and cons of doing it? (i dont have this very clear since im new and i dont really know all my phone can do as is, stock). will i be able to reverse it, or delete it with an update?
what i really want more help is with the following:
What are MOD and ROMS and wich one is better recommended?
i have search a lot but im still confused a little bit. ive run into cyanogen mod 7, villian etc. i basically want to make themes and add features to the phone, wich MOD will give me more room to play around, wich one has more stuff running around on the web?
i found a theme called neongt that i liked a lot will it work with any mod or rom i choce?
thanks a lot with whatever help you can give me
* Root is equivalent of Jailbreaking in iOS
* Provides root access to the mobile OS
* Can install backup apps like Titanium backup which requires too to take backup freeze or unfreeze apps
* Villian ROM is based on the latest version of Android OS released for SGS2. Note that there are different firmware for different regions unlike iOS
*CyanogenMod is I believe its from Vanilla Android OS with mods . To know more about click here http://www.cyanogenmod.com
* You can try any one and if you dont like you can always revert back to Stock rom (original which was released by Samsung)
* Mods are additional features to an existing ROM. Example One of the mod is when you click the power button, it will display Reboot , Recovery which is not provided in Stock rom also showing % in battery is another MOD
Hope this helps You can look into http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1058
BTW What I read is 99% impossible to brick the phone. So you can play around with the phone with flashing roms
If you new to android then wait a while before rooting. There are tons of stuff to learn and do without root.
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The only real way at the moment to brick the phone is to put the PIT in and then have a problem while flashing (or put a galaxy s pit in, it has been done, thats a hardbrick).
Root is like total control, you can do anything and edit anything.
The easiest way to root is using CF-root which autoroots you, this is a stock kernel with a custom inframfs which does the rooting.
When chosing a kernel you need to match the bolded bit of the version to the rom you are using CF-Root-SGS2_XX_OXA_KG6-v4.1-CWM4.zip
The rest of the version relates to the region it was built for, but for kernels that does not matter.
Custom kernels normally bring Clockworkmod recovery which gives you options to take a whole phone backup/snapshot of the moment you backed up.
They also have other things like overclocking(not recomended unless you know what you are doing)/undervolting controls.
Also stuff like BLN(back light notification) which uses the touch key backlight to show notifications like an led would.
Custom roms, deodexed means taking the classes.dex files and shoving it back into the jar file so its easier to edit.
At the moment if you deodex the framework (part of the OS) the stock browser lags, some roms with around this by leaving it odexed but this has its disadvantages as some mods need a 100% deodexed rom or a 100% odexed rom.
You can use places like the UOT kitchen to theme your phone yourself or find loads of themes in the right section.
Also part of the rom is called a CSC which contains customisations like apps your carrier wanted to bundle, also APN settings, you can use any CSC with any version in general and dont need to flash a new one unless the rom comes with or asks for one.
Always read the first posts in a thread, and use the search before asking a question
thanks a lot to everyone i have spent last night researching and ive learn a lot, i think i have taken all i can from my phone already, im a modding freak so i cant se my phone behave or look the same way for too long, i have it since july 20 ill keep it as is for a couple of weeks more and then ill try only rooting. after that ill play aruond with the mods until i found one that i can use to make one my self and theme it my way as i use to do with my ios's. thanks a lot for all the advices. ive heard a lot of rumors about bricked phones but i have figure out that is not that risky, as my friend galaxyII back there said, but it still can happen so ill be as carefull as i can
im looking forward to posting/sharing the mods or themes i make, also if you know someone that needs help with iOS devices i can help
i better keep looking around now so i dont mess anything up XD lolz
hi very noobish question but im confused to what a rom is? I have rooted my s2 with a custom kernel and have read about roms but have no clue what they are.
A ROM in this case is basically the Operating System files. It contains all the files required for your phone to boot into a flavor of Android. ROMs come in many variations such as vendor specific ROMs like Samsung's TouchWiz or ROMs that are compiled from the Android Open Source Project using the source code such as CyanogenMod or MIUI.
Furthermore, ROMs built or cooked by the devs contain many tweaks and optimizations that are not found on the Stock Firmware/ROM and are, in most but not all cases, better.
Hope that helped
Basically a ROM is an Android system image file, which contains the operating system and some applications.
The STOCK Roms are created by the device's producers, like Samsung or Lg, modifing the original Android ROM (I think it's called Vanilla) to give personalizations to their devices.
Then ther are the COOKED Roms that are created from Android users in order to change and quite always to improve the experience on a device, like Cyanogen or MIUI.
Read this:http://androidforums.com/precedent-all-things-root/461024-root-terms-defined-rom-shell-s-etc.html
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hi very noobish question but im confused to what a rom is? I have rooted my s2 with a custom kernel and have read about roms but have no clue what they are.
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A ROM is:
http://bit.ly/xLMVUT
Literally it stands for Read Only Memory, in this case referring to the phone's internal memory where your firmware/apps are stored. When people say they're flashing a new ROM, it means they are flashing a new version of the firmware onto their phone - the two terms are interchangeable.
A custom ROM (firmware released for the phone by anyone except for Huawei) might have performance tweaks, new features such as overclocking and so on. I believe the most popular custom rom for your phone is Cyanogen 6 or 7, which are both vanilla android firmware.
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Google is always your friend. (No offence at all. Just needed to fill 10 character requirement).
I tried installing this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1076853
on my HTC unlocked Rezound today but found out I couldn't overwrite the built in copy of Flash. I'm running Senseless.
I'd like to humbly request that ROM makers leave flash out or better yet, just include the hacked copy so that updates from the market couldn't overwrite it.
For now, does anyone know any way around this besides a new ROM?
Lastly, want to thank all of the devs for making the best android phone even better!
I was browsing the 4.3 OTA beans thread and came up with a few questions. I only want the 4.3 to get my Galaxy Gear working with my GN2. I really have no other desire to flash custom roms and mod my device.
What is the difference between the ODEX and DEODEX? I have no idea what either of these is or mean. I am unsure of which version to flash to my i605 that is currently stock, but will shortly be rooted and ready to flash.
Also, what version of ODIN do i need to use to flash the necessary firmware?
Any and all assistance is greatly appreciated.
After doing some research I think I've learned a little about the odex vs. deodex...I'm not into theming so I guess the odex version would be fine for me...
In the system/app directory of your phones root storage there is by default a .odex file that follows each and every built in app. The ROM builder removes the .odex file to make it easier to theme your ROM. If you are simply looking for a stock experience, use the ODEX. As for ODIN, whatever version is latest, or whatever version is linked in the Root Instruction post will work. I have v3.07.
IIRC, Nephilim ROM has Gear support
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2451859