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Galaxy Ace Has Now Been Given Updates To 2.3.6 In European Countries And Other.
India Still Has 2.3.4 which Is ddq6
Let Me Tell You Stock Roms Are Best Ones -
1. They Have No Bugs
2. They Are Made For Your Phone (Not Ported From Another Phones)
3. Have All Samsung Apps Like All share,etc.
Nd Much More..
Some People Hate Touch Wiz But Let Me Tell You That It Is Very Easy To Use.
Even I Think The Status Bar Is Ugly (LOL)
Yeah They Are Slow As Compared To Custom Ones But Still Is Pretty Good.
They Even Score Less Quadrant Scores But Still Are Stable.
I Recommend You To Use Stock Rom Until You Have Custom Roms Which Are Stable.
More To Come.
Thanks for your recommendation. Although having flashed several different custom roms (which were made for this phone) can you explain which ones you have tried?
Just wondering as some of the ones I have tried are just as stable as stock. and the improvements far outweigh the samsung bloatware that is preinstalled. (which can be added to the roms if you so wish anyway!)
to answer your points:
1- Stock roms have lots of bugs. SOD, lockscreen lag, Memory leaks, GPS connection issues to name a few
2- lots of roms are specifically made for the ace and not ported.
3- most samsung apps are not that great - They can be added if you really need allshare samsung apps, win cash and some game demos that cost £5 to play more than once which unless you root you cannot remove!!
The ace has small enough storage without apps that most dont want or need!
Its a matter of individual preference. They are both good in their own way. There both advantages and disadvantages to either rom. Still, you are entitled to your own opinion and they are to theirs.
very true, however saying stock roms are bug free is inaccurate.
Agree with PJ147, I'm running stock 2.3.3 and it's got several minor bugs - nothing disastrous but easily enough limitations to make the inquisitive person in me consider the possibility of flashing a custom rom. I haven't, purely for technical reasons and because you have to accept that a customRom requires a certain investment in time and attention.
The fact is that a vast amount of money has gone into creating your average stock-rom, whereas custom roms are the result of someone's singular hard graft and investment in time. There is only so far that a persons effort can be made to stretch with no financial incentive and very limited support. We're talking about a handful of enthusiasts competing against some wild expectation that they will be creating a vastly superior product to an organisation that makes millions from playing the same game.
If there is going to be a relevant point to this thread it's to dissuade your average punter from flippantly attempting to 'improve' their phone and use the achievements of others to profess their own genius - only to flip out when they realise not everything is perfect and that somehow they didn't get 'good value' when they paid the square root of **** all for their brand new Operating System.
PJ147 said:
Thanks for your recommendation. Although having flashed several different custom roms (which were made for this phone) can you explain which ones you have tried?
Just wondering as some of the ones I have tried are just as stable as stock. and the improvements far outweigh the samsung bloatware that is preinstalled. (which can be added to the roms if you so wish anyway!)
to answer your points:
1- Stock roms have lots of bugs. SOD, lockscreen lag, Memory leaks, GPS connection issues to name a few
2- lots of roms are specifically made for the ace and not ported.
3- most samsung apps are not that great - They can be added if you really need allshare samsung apps, win cash and some game demos that cost £5 to play more than once which unless you root you cannot remove!!
The ace has small enough storage without apps that most dont want or need!
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Stock ROM's are disgusting because they are just there for people who use the phone for calling, messaging and listening to music. For advanced users like us, the stock ROM is a great disadvantage. After I flashed a new ROM, my friends go "WOW!!!" and you realise that you have more people surrounding you advice. Also, XDA welcomes you with open hands. For stock ROM, only the second hand phone shop welcomes you. Its time for all Stock ROM uses with wider thinking to take a stand.
Its All About Your Preference..
It Totally Depends On Your Usage And Your Preference.
Yes There Are Some Minor Bugs In Roms Which Can Be Neglected Some Times.
I Dont Have Any Offence For Custom Rom Lover Even I Do Like Some...
Even Now I Am Using Custom Rom Which Is Rushab's Ics Stock Actually Its Based On Stock Rom...
It Basically Depends You Like Samsung Apps Or Not,Or Stock Rom...
Enjoy
I prefer stock...now i use stock, boring of those custom rom that have so many bug than stock (it has bug but not to much)
Custom rom is for people who love theming and benchmark hunter
regards,
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Hi,
Could someone please enlighten me to the benefits of a Cyanogen mod over all of these custom ROMS that include a version of Sense (I think that they all do).
I'm referring to Energy, Revolution ROMS.
Would a Cyanogen mod be faster, have more battery life, and be more stable since it is an AOSP (android open source project) based and doesn't have the Sense overhead? Does it have any other secret sauce?
Or are the custom ROMS already pretty much equal to what Cyanogen puts out, with the only difference being Sense?
Thanks!
p.s. Coming from the iphone world, it is interesting that there are no custom ROMs for iOS. There does not appear to be a need since the core OS is pretty stable. While I liked that, I do miss the ability to tweak my phone at the ROM level. In all honesty though, the fact that for the vast majority of Android phones, a custom ROM is a flat out necessity in order to achieve stability and battery life, would probably not fly with most customers. But I'm willing to go through the putting a custom ROM on my phone since it's more like an adventure to me than a hassle.
ICS is ran over AOSP which is the fastest because they include NO bloatware at all.
Sense includes tons of bloatware and Sense just slows down the system.
CyanogenMod is ran over AOSP for the fastest experienced.
Please post your questions in the Q&A section mate, to keep the Development section nice and tidy.
Cheers!
In general, the Cyanogen team added many features to the Android AOSP, in many ways out 'featuring' the cell providers teams. Things like gesture lock are great add-ons that provided functionality with very little in the way of bloat. Additionally, they could tweak things in AOSP that the vendors might not want to touch for fear of breaking thousands upon thousands of users. CM is a boutique ROM.
Apple, to your point, offers no custom ROM's, and this is by design. The whole point of the Apple ecosystem ( and it's success in large part), is due to the fact that they keep it very locked down. This ensures a consistent and predictable environment in which to work, and support costs are kept to a minimum.
Some of us (myself included) don't really enjoy the Sense's of the world, and although they are not all together horrible, I just don't favor some fancy graphics over app functionality. I just generally like the simple clean interfaces. I have to hand it to the Sense team though... there are some pretty nice base apps. BUT, I prefer 3rd party tools most times, and like supporting the little developer if he keeps his project going.
Finally, the computer hacker in me just loves tweaks, optimizations, and tinkering with things. If I can overclock a chip, you can be damn sure I am going to do it!
It seems that 9 times out of 10 I read about a problem with an android, it's about an OS update breaking things:
"Can't root the latest stock ROM update nohow"
"Latest mfc ROM / CM / etc. incorporated XXX change and now I can't get Viper4Android / AutomateIt / whatever working"
"Latest 5.x ROM now requires root for the same app / action that didn't require root before"
"SELinux / Knox / etc. can't be disabled nohow on the latest ROM"
Personally I got everything working just the way I want on the rooted form of the stock 4.4.2 ROM that came with my LG G Pro 2
--and I'd strangle anyone who hits the update button on it (except I think rooting disabled the OTA update thing)
----and I have half a mind to buy another identical phone for backup, because this phone still seems to be able to go toe to toe with the latest flagships (1080p screen is plenty dense enough for my eyes, 3GB/32GB still seems to be the maximum amount of memory any phone packs, I could care less about new CPUs that eat batteries at the same rate that they increase performance) and more importantly, I'm very pessimistic about the prospects of being able to get Viper4Android, Xposed framework, VolumeSteps+, PBMC Mappings and AutomateIt all working on whatever ROM that comes with whatever next phone I would have to buy when this one breaks.
I read the adventures of those who upgrade their ROM nightly and run into a different compatibility problem every night the way I listen to the ravings of a lunatic walking out of a spectacular train wreck
And I have a friend whom I bought a Sony Z3 for who had gone through trying a dozen different ROMs in a few weeks. It's a brick now
You can argue that the older versions of Android would have more stability and mods, but most end users are not as tech savvy and are less demanding as yourself. All they need is a phone that functions properly for them. Usually developers release updates to fix stuff with the current firmware, so most end users would be tempted to do the update when it comes out. They would be less concerned with things like V4A and custom mods which require more knowledge. As for LG G Pro 2, I wouldn't say it's able to go head to head with other flagship phones, unless you used a custom ROM with it. Specifications wise, it will still lose out to most phones, because no matter how much you attempt to tweak the software, it is still limited by the hardware. Furthermore, when you compare the developer database to Samsung and Sony, LG has a much smaller database as compared to both manufacturers. You can find plenty of custom ROMs for Samsung and Sony phones, but not so for LG phones. Just my two cents.
Out of all of the devices out there that support LineageOS, the Z5 Compact looks the most appealing to me, because of the good audio quality, nice design/build, and reasonable size.
But is it foolish to purchase a Z5C with the intention of using it to run a custom ROMs?
Are people here using custom ROMs purely as a stopgap until they can get a newer phone that supports Oreo? I don't need or want the latest, greatest hardware, but ever since buying my first smartphone (a Nexus) I've become accustomed to using the latest software. Is the Z5 Compact a dead end in that regard? Or is it likely that I'll be using Android P and Q on this device in the next couple of years?
"But Strobelite, if you're worried about being able to use the latest version of Android, why don't you just get something by Motorola? Those have a healthy, active developer community. Or, you could just be a normal person, and buy a new phone."
If it runs GApps, I won't use it
Audio quality is important to me
The Motorola phones are ugly, in my opinion
Hi, since a few weeks I'm running on LineageOS 14.1 with my z5 Compact and I don't miss the stock rom at all. I didn't test all features yet (e.g. MHL), but I'm very satisfied until now. It's stable (didn't encounter any random reboot), fast and battery life is ok for me (I use Amplify and Greenify with xposed).
I only can recommend this and if you want to run without GApps, this is the way to go. I'm using Yalp store and it's even faster updating my apps than the original Play store.
Phone has FM Radio, SD card slot, fast and accurate GPS and enough power (LOS doesn't seem to run as hot as the stock rom (you can choose between performance profiles), so it's another plus for me).
Just try it and see if it works for you.
The only thing that annoyed me is the camera, the quality is just bad and sometimes it doesn't focus (or too late)
If you dont miss the camera then yes.
Strobelite said:
But is it foolish to purchase a Z5C with the intention of using it to run a custom ROMs?
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I can understand your problem but of course it is imo.
Z5 line has never been widely supported by developers and the Compact is the one with less roms now. You can imagine what kind of future it would have.
Luckily in the past we had great guys who made stock rom root/mods/DRM restoration but the AOSP scene is completely different. As always you lose some features with non-stock roms, usually Camera quality (because you lose closed source vendor optimizations/software) and minor ones.
There will be probably 1 or 2 roms for future android versions (thanks to projects like SLim rom, PAC, Resurrection,...) but there are already few mantainers, especially for the Z5c, and some aosp roms are also unofficially maintained by one person...
Sony lost people (and developers) appeal after the Z3 line and this gets reflected in custom rom support for the newer Xperia lines. If you really want the latest OS on your phone for the next 4 years you should go for something else imo.
Z5c is still great device, refined materials and with good battery but don't expect a forum support like Samsungs, Huaweis,... Unfortunately the old days where flagship phones were < 4,5" are gone.
Maybe you already know it but GSMarena has a great phone-finder search engine which can help you refine your search for compact products.
Years ago I rooted a phone I had to the latest Android, only to find that the hardware wasn't up to running a more complicated OS, even the Cyanogen version that was equivalent to the original Android version didn't exactly breath much life into the old dog.
Given how shockingly poor the experience on my T820 can be on the stock ROM, I find myself once again tempted to give a custom one a go, but was wondering if the newer ROMs place significant additional load on the hardware? Is it worth the effort? Does it make them responsive?
I don't use the tablet for anything heavy-duty; mainly what I want is responsive browsing, Skype and some basic apps...
imacleod said:
Years ago I rooted a phone I had to the latest Android, only to find that the hardware wasn't up to running a more complicated OS, even the Cyanogen version that was equivalent to the original Android version didn't exactly breath much life into the old dog.
Given how shockingly poor the experience on my T820 can be on the stock ROM, I find myself once again tempted to give a custom one a go, but was wondering if the newer ROMs place significant additional load on the hardware? Is it worth the effort? Does it make them responsive?
I don't use the tablet for anything heavy-duty; mainly what I want is responsive browsing, Skype and some basic apps...
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@imacleod,
Based on the views and comments I see for custom ROMs for your tablet, this ROM:
[ROM] SM-T820 TWEAKED....................[rom] sm-t820 tweaked
SM-T820 TWEAKED 5.1 ***** PIE ***** 20JUN2020 T820_CTD5_TWEAKED_5.1_DB4_by_rorymc928.zip Based on latest stock CTD5 firmware Tweaked, stable, zip aligned. SU/D Forced encryption disabled Deknoxed Debloated (GPU driver updated to latest...
forum.xda-developers.com
appears to be the best choice for improving your tablet's performance. If you are serious about installing it, check out the most recent posts in the thread. You will find a very useful post that goes into great details about how to install the ROM properly.
I feel you regarding sluggish performance on a stock Samsung tablet. I had a Samsung tablet a long time ago and it felt like watching paint dry when I tried to simply play a video. Also, what is it with the HUGE bezel size on Samsung tablets ? I recently bought a Lenovo Tablet and it has a very thin bezel.
In any event, good luck with your tablet !!
Thanks. I was hoping for some feedback from people that had applied a ROM to the S3, whether they found it transformational - or perhaps not - and whether the best idea is to go for the latest and greatest, or stick at the lowest level that's got general support.
I'm not one who's installed a custom firmware, but I see you've not got much response. This device was very expensive at launch, so was a hard reach for many people. Fewer people means fewer developers.
The custom firmware available for this device is quite sparse. In addition, there seems to be troubles getting all of the hardware to work correctly. They're not placing any load on the device as its the same kernel version as stock.
That being said, I do believe the S3 is past its support period, so will not be getting new firmware from Samsung.
Reading the fora for the custom firmware show that the device can be more responsive than stock (as long as you don't need the hardware that isn't working).
Additionally, rooting and debloating the stock firmware has shown increased performance for those who have done it (including myself). I'd recommend this route prior to attempting a custom firmware unless your primary goal is to ditch samsung and google.
undrwater said:
I'm not one who's installed a custom firmware, but I see you've not got much response. This device was very expensive at launch, so was a hard reach for many people. Fewer people means fewer developers.
The custom firmware available for this device is quite sparse. In addition, there seems to be troubles getting all of the hardware to work correctly. They're not placing any load on the device as its the same kernel version as stock.
That being said, I do believe the S3 is past its support period, so will not be getting new firmware from Samsung.
Reading the fora for the custom firmware show that the device can be more responsive than stock (as long as you don't need the hardware that isn't working).
Additionally, rooting and debloating the stock firmware has shown increased performance for those who have done it (including myself). I'd recommend this route prior to attempting a custom firmware unless your primary goal is to ditch samsung and google.
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Thanks for the reply. I did actually take the plunge through the week and installed rorymc928's rom. So far, I'd say that it's more usable than stock - e.g. it's not so slow that entering a PIN after a restart hits the screen lockout out before I'm done - but not overly stunning when browsing (perhaps my expectations are too high). It has made me a lot less inclined to reach for a hammer/put it on eBay, and it may be the best balance between what's available and losing functions/features. If I feel brave I may try a more advanced tinker at some later point in time...
If you want to get an idea what Samsung thought was important for this tablet, watch some HDR content from youtube. Gorgeous!
But... Not really useful. Android tablets are a teeny niche, but someone should be able to produce something for the market!