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One of my friends (he has jailb. iphone and used tethering for ~3 weeks) just got letter from ATT: stop using tethering or we'll change your plan to 4gb teth. plan (+$45)
Another friend though (android device, 2 months tethering) spoke with ATT rep. about tethering and plan overlimit and he was told : we'll just charge you $10 for each addnl Gb.
I'm using tethering for 3 m. If I use browser I change User Agent to Opera mobile (but not all the time) and had no any warnings.
where is the true about tethering? is this device specific? I mean is there something in iPhones that lets ATT to know about "illigal" tethering
is this the f. way for ATT to make money to lock device/software capabilities and then unlock them for $$$. OK lets lock volume or brightnes to 0 and charge people for each % added. lets lock BT - kinda tethering as well
all this is so stupid. it's like if electric company will charge you extra for using toster but not teapot.
who cares how I spend data that no longe belong to them. this is my 2gb. and I can put it in my ... if I'd like so
there are some ?? in this post so I posted it here not General. may be I'm wrong but not so wrong as ATT
i've personally never read about android devices being caught tethering (if anyone can show me otherwise, i would appreciate it)
the way AT&T picks up on people doing illegitimate tethering is by iphone users using mywi, not sure how they do it but every single post i've read of people who got served was using an iphone.
uuh... Bluetooth is not even remotely close to tethering. The reason they charge extra for tethering, compared to simple data plans... and why they don't (technically) allow tethering on unlimited plans, is because if you're using a laptop or desktop and have it connected to the internet via your phone... you're capable of downloading a LOT more information a LOT quicker, thus congesting their network.
Also would need a bit more information about how your friends were tethering. The first mentioned friend with the iPhone was probably doing what Alcapone said... using MyWi to tether for free, while probably on an unlimited data plan. That's probably why he got a letter saying that if it continues, he will be switched to the 4GB Tethering plan. They probably noticed an unusually large amount of bandwidth being used, which raised a red flag.
The second friend i'm assuming probably actually pays for tethering... or at least that's probably what the AT&T rep was assuming. In that case they'll charge per extra GB downloaded.
Only time i've ever heard the possibility of someone's plan being switched is if they're doing something that's not possible on their plan to begin with. Kinda like the people that were praying they could keep their dumbphone unlimited data plan to use with a smartphone.
zelipukin said:
One of my friends (he has jailb. iphone and used tethering for ~3 weeks) just got letter from ATT: stop using tethering or we'll change your plan to 4gb teth. plan (+$45)
Another friend though (android device, 2 months tethering) spoke with ATT rep. about tethering and plan overlimit and he was told : we'll just charge you $10 for each addnl Gb.
I'm using tethering for 3 m. If I use browser I change User Agent to Opera mobile (but not all the time) and had no any warnings.
where is the true about tethering? is this device specific? I mean is there something in iPhones that lets ATT to know about "illigal" tethering
is this the f. way for ATT to make money to lock device/software capabilities and then unlock them for $$$. OK lets lock volume or brightnes to 0 and charge people for each % added. lets lock BT - kinda tethering as well
all this is so stupid. it's like if electric company will charge you extra for using toster but not teapot.
who cares how I spend data that no longe belong to them. this is my 2gb. and I can put it in my ... if I'd like so
there are some ?? in this post so I posted it here not General. may be I'm wrong but not so wrong as ATT
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this rant and its questions have all been debated and answered time and time again on this forum. search.
all have 2gb no tethering plan. Large amount of data? Am I not free to use my 2gb in one day? I mean I can spend only 2gb I paid for. in one day or 1 month, what's the difference? why not to change calling plan to unlimited if att noticed you "spoke to much yestarday"
zelipukin said:
all have 2gb no tethering plan. Large amount of data? Am I not free to use my 2gb in one day? I mean I can spend only 2gb I paid for. in one day or 1 month, what's the difference? why not to change calling plan to unlimited if att noticed you "spoke to much yestarday"
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This has been covered over here...
Going over your 2gb data plan is one thing and tethering is another. The iphone OS records the amount of time tethered and somehow notifies att about the devices usage. Also, from what I've learned when I had my iphones, not syncing to itunes after you've installed jailbroken apps will not register with apple. The only tethering apps I think most people getting caught with is an app called MyWi. Not sure about PDAnet. My wife uses MyWi but has never synced her phone to itunes after installing and we've never gotten a notice. Might also being looked at cuz the iphone doesn't have flash so other than netflix....how can you use a ton of data other than streaming or tethering.
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This has been covered over here...
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ty, ty, ty
I knew kind people will point me to the right topic I couldnt find myself.
elementaldragon said:
why they don't (technically) allow tethering on unlimited plans, is because if you're using a laptop or desktop and have it connected to the internet via your phone... you're capable of downloading a LOT more information a LOT quicker, thus congesting their network.
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Is this necessarily true though? With a phone that's capable of multitasking like the Atrix, I don't see the real issue. AT&T claims that by using a laptop, you will end up eating more data, but I always saw the service they provide as the real bottleneck. No matter how many devices you tether to the Atrix, whether it be 1 or 4, you're still unable to use more bandwidth than what you are capable of receiving. If your speed tests run at the miserable 1.5Mbps down and 1Mbps up that I get, how can they claim that you download information QUICKER from a computer? This may have been true before, when phone's couldn't handle as many operations as they do now, but I can definitely stream some music from pandora, browse the web, and hell, even download a torrent all at the same time if I wanted to.
I feel like all of the "modern" updates AT&T has made has just hurt the consumer in the process. Tethering on an unlimited plan shouldn't be allowed, I understand that. Your cell phone plan shouldn't be the basis for your home internet, and that's fair. But if you're on a tiered plan, your 2GB should be yours to do whatever you want with. And while I'm ranting about the tiered plans, I think for the price they charge for the 200MB plan, they need to start offering more. As their service supposedly gets faster, that 200MB cap becomes so much easier to reach. Come on AT&T, get with the times.
Found some old posts, back in May, where people were discussing whether PDANet could truly hide tethering from AT&T, or other providers. I was tethering with my rooted SGS2 and received the text, email, and snail mail notices from AT&T that I would lose my unlimited data and be forced to by a tethering plan if I continued to tether. I was utilizing the stock rom with the tethering manager frozen.
Has anybody utilizing the 3.02 version of PDANet been contacted by AT&T to c&d? If so, could the c&d be attributed to tethering done before installing PDANet?
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retnuh
I'd like to know as well.
I don't think pdanet does anything special...i use approx 3-5gigs a month all mostly teathering. I have never received any notices of any kind.
I think as long there isn't any high spikes in data usage, you'll be safe.
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This is just an unproven theory by myself, but don't use internet explorer on the device you are tethering to.
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Personally, I use Firefox with User Agent usually set to Iphone, but obviously if there was a galaxy s 2 user agent I would use it. I din't tether to much- maybe 500 meg a month, but I've never been caught.
I got hit with the top %5 text the other morning...managed to use just under 12gigz this billing cycle..MOSTLY from wifi tether Phone 2 Phone and i maybe used an hr tethering to a laptop..I work for the bastards..doesn't matter what you use...all ill say is the network is alot smarter than people think..trust me..
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Supposedly Barnacle "hides" it and it's a free app. Google it.
I wonder if using an SSH connection would encrypt the connection enough to hide anything they sniff out to detect tethering.
If your rooted and have root explore just delete tehtering manager. Apk in system/app and if your on a custom rom it is more than likely already removed for you. Now if I could just get decent data speeds I would use it
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That's the way I was tethering when I was told by AT&T to c&d. That's why I'm trying to find a way to tether and not get caught.
Hmmm odd you must have had huge data spikes because without that app they can't tell besides seeing you use like a gig a day. Interesting any thoughts guys?
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If somebody knows for sure if PDANet stealth mode works - I'd really, REALLY like to know too! Had AT&T's "Unlimited" plan for a few years now. Been teathering, but for completely trivial amounts of data - during most months my usage didn't go over a gig or two. This month I went over 4 gig for the first time ever, and suddenly all hell broke loose. I get repeated "5%" messages over text and email, warning they will throttle down my 3G speeds (they are already a complete joke here in NY-NJ). So I stopped using all data for about a week now, but the messages never stopped, and now I am getting the tether notices.
I got the letter last May when I had an iPhone that was jailbroken. Now I got the rooted Android and I just don't want to lose unlimited data. I tried once with PDA bored at an airport and wanting to do basic surfing on my laptop. I used it again the other night on my laptop for simple surfing as my main internet went down and so far as I know (/knock on wood/) I'm okay.
Most say TTL is how they find out. My problem is they have intricate logs of every phone call and text you ever sent but can't tell me a MAC addy, time, etc. of when I tethered. Fact is known that only those with unlimited data plans were the ones attacked as it seems they are slowly trying to phase these out.
I just make sure to not have Windows Updates enabled when surfing on my laptop with tethering. It's obvious any mobile phone shouldn't be accessing this site.
I dont know how they can tell but it seems they are always able to. I used my android to tether with an iphone to download Wifi only updates and after about 3 months i got the notice saying I need to not tether or they will remove unlimited.
Apparently they say that the notices aren't always Instant (I was figuring i would get it right after i used tethering). I know for a fact i had not tethered after the last time so it was roughly 3 months behind.
I do not believe sirs (referring to OP)
I have a Photon 4G on Sprint right now, and I refuse to go onto tiered Data. I've just about had it with Sprint's dynamically changing terms of service, so I'm looking for other US based unlimited data carriers compatible with the Photon 4G. I am rooted, if that means anything toward this.
Just isn't possible, but idk what your complaining about exactly, what change in terms, the data is still unlimited for your phone unless your not giving a full story as most people do...
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I'm giving the full story here. Yes, data is unlimited still, yes my phone works. I use very low amounts of data, so Im not in any way angering them. I'm just bothered at them filtering my market now, and most recently, my phone is shut down whenever I tether (via Android) using Bluetooth.
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I'm giving the full story here. Yes, data is unlimited still, yes my phone works. I use very low amounts of data, so Im not in any way angering them. I'm just bothered at them filtering my market now, and most recently, my phone is shut down whenever I tether (via Android) using Bluetooth.
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if you not paying for tethering (even though i think it should be free to begin with) i wouldn't be surprised if they did something like that, and there's an app you really want, just google the apk through your phone
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I'm giving the full story here. Yes, data is unlimited still, yes my phone works. I use very low amounts of data, so Im not in any way angering them. I'm just bothered at them filtering my market now, and most recently, my phone is shut down whenever I tether (via Android) using Bluetooth.
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Sprint isn't filtering your market, it's google... They did it to me as well... Upon calling them, I was informed that rooted devices are not allowed and if google finds out you have a rooted device they lock you out of your paid apps. The only way I fixed this was by running the ruu back to stock. I re-rooted a few days later and haven't had any issues since than... I agree it sucks. As for the tethering, I 4G tether using the wifi tether app that is in dsixda kitchen, made by mueller, buxton, and somone else. I regularly top 5GB of data use every month and have never had any issues, other than Sprint's weak ass 3G signal. You could check into boost, cricket, or one of you local "small time" cell dealers, some of the local shops will even flash the phone over to their service for free. Good luck in your adventure!
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Thanks, I think I'll just stay with Sprint for now. I really appreciate the responses, though. As far as Market Filtering, my issue is not full block out, but just Wireless Tether apps missing. As far as .apk installs, I'm fully familiar with those too. Sprint is otherwise a great carrier. I'm very near to Houston, and being the 4th largest City in the USA means that I get 6/6 Bars of 4G everywhere I go. Besides this, I have nothing against them. Unlimited Data is a neccesary thing on a Smartphone, in my opinion. Also, with my Bluetooth tethering (Can be done unrooted to an Asus Transformer Prime, also unrooted) I've found that as long as I put the phone into standby, it wont reboot. It only reboots if the display times-out.
Bluetooth tethering is fully within Sprint's ToS, too. (Free)
http://db.tt/BkvrkT78 ... Here you go... Here is the old school tether app if you don't have it... I too will be sticking with sprint, can't beat unlimited data with a stick. Have fun with that photon too, very nice device, I almost ditched my shift for the photon.
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sprint did break down and filter out tethering apps from their market, but honetsly can you blame them? verizon and att were teh first ones to have limited data, the first ones to tell you what you could use your 2gb's of data on.
sprint filtered out the market.. after how long of us getting a free ride? chances are if your rooting you know how to google for android tether. not saying its ideal, but id much rather have them filter the apps, then drop unl data... or send text's out to users using free tether saying they will be switched to the paid tether automatically at the end of teh to month...
Fair enough.
I've currently got an Epic 4g on Sprint, and with a custom ROM I've been able to use the hotspot feature without actually having the subscription cost on my plan and it hasn't been a big deal.
I'm looking at moving to a Note, and was wondering whether AT&T is going to be able to catch on and give me grief for using the hotspot feature once in a blue moon (literally) if I root the device to get around having to pay an extra $20/mo? I know the extra also goes towards data cap increase, but I rarely use more than 400Mb of cell data so the cap increase is way overkill for me.
Maybe or maybe not,nowdays they are pretty strict about tethering, I got caught after consuming 10GB tethered and thretaned me to downgrade to a tethering plan if I wouldnt desist... Back in the day I would consume like 6-8GB tethered on my iPhone 4 and nothing would happen
tigerknight said:
I've currently got an Epic 4g on Sprint, and with a custom ROM I've been able to use the hotspot feature without actually having the subscription cost on my plan and it hasn't been a big deal.
I'm looking at moving to a Note, and was wondering whether AT&T is going to be able to catch on and give me grief for using the hotspot feature once in a blue moon (literally) if I root the device to get around having to pay an extra $20/mo? I know the extra also goes towards data cap increase, but I rarely use more than 400Mb of cell data so the cap increase is way overkill for me.
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egomezmorales said:
Maybe or maybe not,nowdays they are pretty strict about tethering, I got caught after consuming 10GB tethered and thretaned me to downgrade to a tethering plan if I wouldnt desist... Back in the day I would consume like 6-8GB tethered on my iPhone 4 and nothing would happen
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Holy cow - I don't expect to tether more than it would take to have net browsing access on my wi-fi xoom or MAYBE my laptop in a pinch, no serious downloads or streaming in mind.
You can try, go for it,if they detect your tethering they will send you a notice via mail,email or sms
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You could always go with Straight Talk for the $50 all you can eat plan.
Just got a Google Nexus 7 and went to connect it to my SII as a mobile hotspot only to find out that this feature is blocked by AT$T. I found an app in the Play Store that makes it work. Used the trial to test before spending the $15 on the Pro version. Before I do I want to know if there's any way AT$T can determine I'm using the phone this way and shut me down? I don't plan on tethering or using huge amounts of data, just want the convenience of using the tablet when and where I want. It's my data and it should not matter how I use it or on what device. Can AT$T tell that I'm using my phone this way?
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Just got a Google Nexus 7 and went to connect it to my SII as a mobile hotspot only to find out that this feature is blocked by AT$T. I found an app in the Play Store that makes it work. Used the trial to test before spending the $15 on the Pro version. Before I do I want to know if there's any way AT$T can determine I'm using the phone this way and shut me down? I don't plan on tethering or using huge amounts of data, just want the convenience of using the tablet when and where I want. It's my data and it should not matter how I use it or on what device. Can AT$T tell that I'm using my phone this way?
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I've tethered several times with no problems but it has been only very minimal data. If large amounts of data is being consumed through tethering then possibly but I cannot guarantee anything
People getting busted has been on the rise. There's actually a handful of threads detailing the mixed experiences, here. It can be done, that's pretty clear, whether you're targeted for suspicious data traffic, or data hops, or if you're randomly screened, however it's happening, it is becoming prevalent. That aside, I don't recall if foxfi was free, but I know if it wasn't it wasn't very expensive, as I'm pretty cheap lol that is if you're still looking for low cost effective tethering work around.
I've been tethering my tablet for the last few months. Usually just play store updates and some internet browsing. I have received no warnings yet. I think if you don't go hog wild and stream music/videos it will increase your chances of flying under their radar.
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I understand that high data usage will trigger suspicion from the carrier. What I want to know is can they tell if you are doing this regardless of the level of traffic? Is there some identifier when you are tethering or hot-spotting that alerts AT$T even before you go crazy with data? I don't expect my usage to increase much with the tablet, but I would like to be able to connect it to my phone to download more Kindle books or check my FB without worrying that AT$T might shut me down even if I stay under my 2gb monthly plan. The program I found for enabling wifi hot spot on the phone is the best out there, but at $15 I just want to make sure AT$T won't be able to identify my using it and shut me off pretty quick somehow.
There are many theories on how they detect tethering. User agent strings. Packet times. Etc. None are proven.
The only way you can be 100% sure they won't do anything to you is get the At&t plan.
P.s. I didn't pay for any tethering app. Most of the custom roms have the hot spot feature enabled.
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There are many theories on how they detect tethering. User agent strings. Packet times. Etc. None are proven.
The only way you can be 100% sure they won't do anything to you is get the At&t plan.
P.s. I didn't pay for any tethering app. Most of the custom roms have the hot spot feature enabled.
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What he said. There is no need to pay for an app. There are free ones out there, and more often than not, it's built into the ROM.
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Well, I have no desire (or need) to run a custom ROM. I'm on stock, rooted ICS and it works fine for my needs. Reading the reviews of the free ones it appears almost all of them have issues running on ICS. The one I tested did not, so I went ahead and paid for the Pro version and it runs great. Did a little Netflix and YouTube viewing, some Slacker listening and never lost connection on the Nexus 7. more importantly, when I disconnect from the hotspot there is no need to do a reboot, unlike some of the free apps. Here's hoping AT$T has no way to tell (beyond abnormal data usage) or doesn't care.
Best of luck! I know they haven't bothered me yet.
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