OK so this probably sounds backwards from what everyone would expect. I've been using attn1's Liberated 2.2.2 FR008 rom and adding/removing apps to suite my needs. But now I want to REMOVE usb & wifi tethering! Sounds crazy but this phone is for a kid. I don't know much about developing. I'm guessing these features are built in to the OS, if so do I need to just get a custom settings.apk that doesn't give the tether options OR is there an apk i can remove (many of the apks in that rom have name that I'm not sure what they do so I left them in)? Any help would be really appreciated!
smokinbanger said:
OK so this probably sounds backwards from what everyone would expect. I've been using attn1's Liberated 2.2.2 FR008 rom and adding/removing apps to suite my needs. But now I want to REMOVE usb & wifi tethering! Sounds crazy but this phone is for a kid. I don't know much about developing. I'm guessing these features are built in to the OS, if so do I need to just get a custom settings.apk that doesn't give the tether options OR is there an apk i can remove (many of the apks in that rom have name that I'm not sure what they do so I left them in)? Any help would be really appreciated!
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I guess you'd just have to get a new rom which does not have those options (none that I know of), but I still don't see why you need those options removed. Even if it is for a child, it doesn't really make a difference. The options can still be there and just not be used.
didnt the stock 2.1 NOT come with tethering? Its been a while, but I think thats how I remember it. So couldnt you just revert to a 2.1 rom?
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didnt the stock 2.1 NOT come with tethering? Its been a while, but I think thats how I remember it. So couldnt you just revert to a 2.1 rom?
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Yes, the original AT&T 2.1 ROM did not have a tethering app.
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Yes, the original AT&T 2.1 ROM did not have a tethering app.
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Right, but I can't figure out how to remove the junk apps ect. from the RUU before flashing it like I can with a custom just by deleting apk's from the .zip file. Any ideas?
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I guess you'd just have to get a new rom which does not have those options (none that I know of), but I still don't see why you need those options removed. Even if it is for a child, it doesn't really make a difference. The options can still be there and just not be used.
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And just how do you leave the options there and be sure they will not be used??
I'm no dev but i think if you flash back to ATT 2.1 Rom and re-root to get super user i think you'll be abel to delete your ATT softwear with titanium backup... but I'm not sure. I hope this works for you
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Right, but I can't figure out how to remove the junk apps ect. from the RUU before flashing it like I can with a custom just by deleting apk's from the .zip file. Any ideas?
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you can use adb to remove the apk's from the /system partition while the phone is in recovery after you flash the stock 2.1 RUU. You may have to reflash clockwork recovery after this, not sure if it will revert to stock recovery or not. Also, not sure on this one but you can check out the 2.1 Liberated Rom in the dev section and see if it has tethering enabled or not. Trying to remember this off the top of my head but its been so long since Ive done anything 2.1...
Yes, running the 2.1 RUU will remove Clockwork. So the full process would be to run the 2.1 RUU on the phone, then once done, run Unrevoked again on the phone. At this point I would recommend taking a Nandroid backup so you can revert any changes you make (i.e., if you have problems after deleting one of the apps).
Then you need to use adb to remove apps while the phone is in Recovery mode.
The downside of this (compared to just leaving the phone with stock 2.1 after using the RUU) is that Unrevoked automatically gives you root access in the ROM, which may or may not be what you want.
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Yes, running the 2.1 RUU will remove Clockwork. So the full process would be to run the 2.1 RUU on the phone, then once done, run Unrevoked again on the phone. At this point I would recommend taking a Nandroid backup so you can revert any changes you make (i.e., if you have problems after deleting one of the apps).
Then you need to use adb to remove apps while the phone is in Recovery mode.
The downside of this (compared to just leaving the phone with stock 2.1 after using the RUU) is that Unrevoked automatically gives you root access in the ROM, which may or may not be what you want.
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Root access to the rom is fine. But if I remove apks using adb aren't they still in the boot.img making it possible to simple do a system wipe/ hard reset and thus bring back all the junk apps in the stock 2.1 rom??
With all the DEVS on here it seems like there is a cleaner way to do all this...
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Root access to the rom is fine. But if I remove apks using adb aren't they still in the boot.img making it possible to simple do a system wipe/ hard reset and thus bring back all the junk apps in the stock 2.1 rom??
With all the DEVS on here it seems like there is a cleaner way to do all this...
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No. System wipe would not revert the apps.
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I have a rooted CDMA Hero, with stock Rom software version 1.6. I have removed a lot of the apps that came on the phone by reading and learning here, thanks to everyone for that. I now want to install the AppsToSD 2 app, first off, I noticed it's no longer available in the Market, but anyway, I read here almost everywhere that one has to either install "the Dude's" or "JF 1.5" rom to get AppsToSD 2 to work. I have some terminal / linux command knowledge, which I used to root the phone, but I just want to know if with that knowledge, is it possible to install AppsToSD 2 on a STOCK rom like I have, and move the apps to the sd card? I just don't want to install a non-factory rom and modify the OS to that level, removing some stocks apps is one thing, but I don't want to go through the hassle and dangers of flashing a new rom. So is there any way I can still get AppsToSD to work with my stock Hero rom?
Thanks for any suggestions
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I have a rooted CDMA Hero, with stock Rom software version 1.6. I have removed a lot of the apps that came on the phone by reading and learning here, thanks to everyone for that. I now want to install the AppsToSD 2 app, first off, I noticed it's no longer available in the Market, but anyway, I read here almost everywhere that one has to either install "the Dude's" or "JF 1.5" rom to get AppsToSD 2 to work. I have some terminal / linux command knowledge, which I used to root the phone, but I just want to know if with that knowledge, is it possible to install AppsToSD 2 on a STOCK rom like I have, and move the apps to the sd card? I just don't want to install a non-factory rom and modify the OS to that level, removing some stocks apps is one thing, but I don't want to go through the hassle and dangers of flashing a new rom. So is there any way I can still get AppsToSD to work with my stock Hero rom?
Thanks for any suggestions
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No, it's a no-go!
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No, it's a no-go!
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sorry to rain on your parade, but it is possible, and not that hard.
boot the custom recovery image, partition your sdcard, move the apps to the ext partition, create the symlinks in /data and reboot. there you go, stock rom, stock recovery, apps on sdcard. works until you flash a new rom (which would delete the symlinks so you'd have to recreate them), but since you don't want to do that you are good to go.
My bad! Sorry! To my defense I have to say that someone told me it wasn't possible. I'll start double-checking my sources from now on.
Fair warning: I've never rooted a phone before. I've dabbled in ADB with my nook color, but am far from comfortable with it. I installed Honeycomb on the nook color, then decided to just go simple with autonooter.
Now, I'm thinking of rooting my new Thunderbolt. Mostly because I'd like to get rid of all of the bloatware and try to get all of the performance out of my phone as I can get. After having the Droid1 for a couple of years, I do not want to see my phone get laggy like my D1 did.
So here come the beginner questions: once I root the phone, I know I need to get ROM Manager and Titanium Backup. Those apps will let me be able to get back all of my data and preferences, etc once I switch ROMs right?
What else will I need after rooting? Is it a simple process to flash a new ROM?
Can anyone suggest a (mostly) stock ROM that just gets rid of the bloatware and gives the phones performance a boost?
Also, does a rooted phone require a lot of maintenance? For instance, will I have to be updating ROMS often? Also, if an OTA comes out for non-rooted phones, do these updates get worked into the ROMs quickly? I dont want to be without a necessary update, ya know?
Last question: Once I root my phone, should I just cancel the insurance on the phone? Or does "voiding the warranty" only mean that VZW wont fix it for free?
Thanks!
First off, I highly recommend following this rooting method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616 and not using the easy root method. If you have any problems at all, you can log into http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951190 and get some help. I also highly recommend reading up a bit on ADB, what it is and how it works http://www.xda-developers.com/android/adb-easy-tutorial/
Then...once you get rooted use ROM Manager to flash the clockworkmod recovery. In ROM Manager there's a little fix that everyone's been doing: open ROM Manager, menu>clear download cache, then settings>erase recovery. Then do your backup before you do anything else like flashing another ROM. Use Titanium to backup all your apps. I recommend the paid versions of both since you will be using them a lot.
Added: What I usually do the first time: Root, backup rom, install debloated rom, set everything up like I want it and then backup again. Each time I flash a new ROM, I create a backup of it all set up and with the name so that I can easily switch back and forth. I like change
The basic debloat rom is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000103
It's easy to flash a new ROM, just download the one you want, put it on your sdcard and then use ROM Manager to 'install from sdcard'
You are going to be flashing ROMs left and right because they come out so fast. Each time an update is out, it'll be put into a ROM and released for all of us here so that you stay current. Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
I would not recommend getting rid of your insurance, it is different than the warranty and you can get your phone replaced if it's ever damaged. I've used it 3 times now all on rooted phones. It indeed will void the warranty.
Happy rooting!
^ +1. I did use the easy root method and had no problems with it but it is truly still hit or miss. I am sure it will get better as more developers start pushing new stuff out.
Good luck
Thanks for the reply!
Why dont you recommend using the easy root method that I've been reading so much about? I realize it has some faults, but I'm planning on waiting until an updated version comes out. I'm a bit afraid to brick my phone while trying to root the phone myself.
Also, after rooting, how can i do a backup of my apps? Doesnt rooting wipe all of the data on my phone?
Learning ADB would be helpful...I must admit, I am an easy root junkie. I just don't have the time to learn ADB. Maybe someday that will change.
Rooting will wipe your phone and I use Titanium Backup to back up my apps. It does make it a lot easier once you start flashing ROMs on a daily basis
Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Thanks! After watching a video of someone rooting, I think I will be able to do the non-easy method.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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Thanks.
So to answer my previous question: When rooting, I'm still going to lose all of my current information including apps, sms, etc. However, its good to backup my phone before installing the debloated rom.
Is that correct?
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
CorporateGoth said:
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
pman555 said:
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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you don't open the files. The exploit one is the one you unpackage to your tools directory. The other you will put on your sdcard when told too. you can join #root and get help if you want.
as far as apps, the market 'should' reload all your apps when you wipe data just give it time. Then use titanium to back them all up.
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
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I like that one
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So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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ADB is learning what you are doing to your phone instead of letting a program do it for you. Copy/paste is just so there are no typos if you don't feel as comfortable typing it all out. I recommend reading up on ADB so that you have a bit of knowledge of what you are doing.
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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Titanium backup only works after you're rooted.
You can use a program like Mybackup Pro to backup stuff like sms mms, etc.
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As a first time rooter myself, I ended up doing the original root process. The well written instructions helped me not to feel paranoid and I breezed through the steps. While, I was confident in rooting the phone because of the instructions, I don't feel so confident post root because I don't know how to do many of the elements like flash roms, kernels, apply mods, etc. So my question is, are there any guides for flashing new roms and the steps taken before and after? For instance, let's say I wanted to flash adrynalyne's no bloat rom, and his mod package, how do I go about doing it? Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
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If I root and remove bloatware manually, will OTA updates occur automatically, or do I have the option of blocking them. Would they re-install all of the bloatware I removed?
Hi guys. I was wondering a few things. When you theme your phone successfuly, Im under the asumption that if you re-theme it with another them it goes right on top of it correct? How do you remove a theme and is it possible to do that? Or if there are different thems out there you like, how do you go about switching them out? Just keep putting them on top of eachother? Any advice would be great. Thanks guys.
--> [GUIDE] Want to learn how to theme? <--
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--> [GUIDE] Want to learn how to theme? <--
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I appreciate the link. But all its showing me is how to actually create a theme. I cant find where the answers to my questions are for the person that just installs the themes but doesnt make them?
Depending on what version of software you are running (1.26, 1.57, 1.83 ATT) I think the best method to completely re-theme is to use a program like Titanium Backup * Root, free version from the market, to back up your apps and data. SBF flash the proper version of deodexed files for your current software version to completely eradicate the current theme. After that apply your new theme and then re-install Titanium Backup to restore your apps and data.
You will most likely need to use gingerbreak to regain root after flashing the SBF. Since this will, most often, result in a clean wipe of your internal and external SD card, make sure to back them both up to your computer before flashing the SBF and proceeding. That way you can just put anything back onto the internal or external memory that isn't put back by titanium.
Putting one theme on top of another really won't hurt anything most of the time, but if the new theme doesn't use all of the same files as the previous theme did then you will end up with items from the old version that weren't replaced.
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Hi guys. I was wondering a few things. When you theme your phone successfuly, Im under the asumption that if you re-theme it with another them it goes right on top of it correct? How do you remove a theme and is it possible to do that? Or if there are different thems out there you like, how do you go about switching them out? Just keep putting them on top of eachother? Any advice would be great. Thanks guys.
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You can pull fresh copies of everything that the themes change (framework-res.apk, services.jar, blur-res.apk, are the main ones) and make a CWM update with those in it. Then you can install a theme, and in order to uninstall it all you need to do is go into CWM and use the backup update.zip.
To switch themes, I just keep all themes I have downloaded in a folder called THEMES on my phone. I just boot into CWM and use the backup .zip I made, then I install the new theme .zip and reboot.
If your talking about Gingerblur/Grey blur I think a SBF flash would be your best way to uninstall.
Thanks for the tip guys. I actually had GingerBlur installed before but wasnt all that fond of it. I went ahead and flashed the sbf of 1.8.3 back. Now I have the HoneyGlow theme installed and actually I like it a lot. I was just wondering what its like re-flashing themes over top of themes. I have Tansfers (I think thats the name) Recovery already installed with root access. I got the files already saved on the computer, but thats good advice to put the updates in folders on the phone and do it that way.
Yes, now On im gonna take that external SD card out when I flash. I also tried using Titanium and having a hard time with understanding how it works fully lol.
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Thanks for the tip guys. I actually had GingerBlur installed before but wasnt all that fond of it. I went ahead and flashed the sbf of 1.8.3 back. Now I have the HoneyGlow theme installed and actually I like it a lot. I was just wondering what its like re-flashing themes over top of themes. I have Tansfers (I think thats the name) Recovery already installed with root access. I got the files already saved on the computer, but thats good advice to put the updates in folders on the phone and do it that way.
Yes, now On im gonna take that external SD card out when I flash. I also tried using Titanium and having a hard time with understanding how it works fully lol.
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yes you can flash new themes on top of old ones. They just replace various framework files. all themes modifies the same set of framework files pretty much. so when you flash on top, it overwrites the current one with the new one, that's it. the important thing to remember is to flash a theme meant for your rom because framework files can change from rom to rom, so you may get bootloops (soft bricks) if you flash incompatible frameworks.
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
Chase716 said:
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
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Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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I don't think there are any temp-root solutions out there for the Gingerbread Fascinate, as the community was well beyond using exploits by that time Could be wrong, but I looked around and didn't really find anything. It might be worth looking around for a generic Linux 2.6.35-based exploit that somebody has compiled for the ARM processor.
Question ... what would prevent you from temporarily flashing a custom recovery to make the edits you want? If you don't change anything else, it would be overwritten with the stock recovery on the next boot, thus covering your tracks (and we can get the stock recovery back on there for ya if for some reason it doesn't). Many (most?) recoveries will allow ADB access when active, so you can mount system and do what you need to do without actually rooting the stock ROM.
Also, don't worry too much about the CDMA activation status, unless you check a certain box in the Samsung ODIN tool there is almost no way to screw that information up doing what you're looking to do. The CDMA keys are stored in a super double secret location that you ordinarily can't get to. The option is called "EFS Clear", don't go anywhere near it.
If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
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You should be able to unroot via SuperOneClick after you've fully rooted and debloated the thing. Whoever's keeping an eye on that Fassy hopefully won't notice!
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
Sent from my Galaxy S Fascinate SCH-I500
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Does the person you're hiding this from even know the difference between what GB and JB looks like? What's to say if you have an AOSP or CM-based JB rom that they'd even know it's not stock?
Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
For a detailed guide on pretty much anything related to rooting/flashing just check droidstyle's guide here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070
For freezing or removing bloat I highly recommend buying Titanium Backup, but there are some free apps that will do that sorta stuff. Titanium will give you way more options down the road though...
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Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
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I believe he does, since when I rooted my Incredible 2 he noticed it was completely different and not HTC Sense skinned, and I'd explained to him the Android operating system. And I use ADW EX as my default launcher, only because I can't use the TwLauncher due to lag issues. So I've hidden my bloat apps, but things still stay open in the background.
This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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I wish. He won't listen, and he'll just say that it's bad, I don't need to root my phone,and that I'll break it, like my old one ( NOT MY FAULT!). That is why I wanted to do it secretly, temporarily, or something like that. I know it's good, and that there are risks. So is there any way I can root (no flashing) and keep it hidden? Also, I went into the bootloader, and saw an option that said update.zip. Would that be useful, to maybe flash the EH09 Fascinate rom?
UPDATE: Thanks for the help everyone, but I'm most likely going to ditch the Fascinate for a Galaxy SIII. So maybe sometime I'll find the time to experiment with ROMS on my Fascinate sometime.
So now that I have root on my phone, using Titanium Backup, WHAT should I backup? I mean... my phone doesn't have inherent instability now does it?
Or does the instability (possibly) come from xposed modules I install?
Are there sets of steps I should take before installing new root apps?
Thanks!
-Matt
Root details:
Verizon S4 (sch-i545)
Stock ROM (4.4.2)
Back up anything you would miss loosing if something happed. For me thats nothing, for others thats maybe a particular apk version, or an apps data.
What do you need to do before installing root apps? Root apps are just programs that require admin rights. Nothing magic, do whatever that app might need, which is probably nothing.
It is generally good to have a full system backup from your recovery... For when you try to do _______ and **** it up.
scryan said:
Back up anything you would miss loosing if something happed. For me thats nothing, for others thats maybe a particular apk version, or an apps data.
What do you need to do before installing root apps? Root apps are just programs that require admin rights. Nothing magic, do whatever that app might need, which is probably nothing.
It is generally good to have a full system backup from your recovery... For when you try to do _______ and **** it up.
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Okay great! I already backed up any folders (pictures, pdfs from camsacanner, roms) to my computer via usb before rooting... so...
So when people are talking about TWRP/CWmod recovery... how is it different from stock recovery?
So basically a custom recovery is an all in one answer that allows you to back up EVERYTHING but also allows you to back up EVERYTHING in one blow?
blueman189 said:
Okay great! I already backed up any folders (pictures, pdfs from camsacanner, roms) to my computer via usb before rooting... so...
So when people are talking about TWRP/CWmod recovery... how is it different from stock recovery?
So basically a custom recovery is an all in one answer that allows you to back up EVERYTHING but also allows you to back up EVERYTHING in one blow?
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Stock recovery will let you do a factory wipe to basically clear data and reset your system to recover from something that messes up your install and makes your phone unusable.
Custom recoveries allow you to flash unofficial files, as well as take basically a snapshot of your system. With a custom recovery you can make a backup of your phone, and almost no matter what happens, you can flash that backup and it will be like nothing happened.
So when you try and run some xposed module that isn't written well, and now makes your phone crash every 2 minutes, you can boot to recovery and flash back to the backup you took right before you installed that module, and it will be like you never did it.
The recovery images are kinda large, as its all your data/apps/the OS all in one. Many custom recoveries will have a file manager that will allow you to deal with files individually, but most typically the point is taking a snapshot of your current system so you can go back to it. I make backups before trying a new rom, that way if after a little bit I am not happy I just flash back and its like I never changed anything.