Hiya People
I have looked before about putting android on the Athena but nobody has come up with a working solution I think its time we started this back up from scratch.
I am up for helping with development surely in this collective there are people who could pitch in and do there part im going to look at putting android 2.3 gingerbread on the athena.
if anybody is interested please do speak up
i dunno anything about cooking, but i can beta test to hell whatever you guys come up with ^_^
Android on athena is still problem, there are no kernel drives for ati w2284, diskonchip, 3g, sd. So y can cook some android distro, but these things dont work and those system is unuseable. Athena boots for me from external usb stick, but its still early to cook android system.It needs some person with good C programing to modify existing drivers for athena
Hell,I'm in.......
philznow101 said:
Hiya People
I have looked before about putting android on the Athena but nobody has come up with a working solution I think its time we started this back up from scratch.
I am up for helping with development surely in this collective there are people who could pitch in and do there part im going to look at putting android 2.3 gingerbread on the athena.
if anybody is interested please do speak up
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Hell,yes sir.....I'm in. After all I learn since,Ubuntu 8.04 on HTC Shift,I beleive there is a way to do so....And after all i learn through ubuntu,Mint8,Backtrack3,fedora11 to 14. I'm sure there is a way....I will start doing research on it right now,but were should i start at.The best ways of getting the anwser,is dealing with dudes on Mirc or IRC.Trust me,After all they said and done to me,as in Aircrack with backtrack3 & Ubuntu 8.10 hell i can't wait untill we become HTC X7500 Advantage Android!
I beleive it could be interesting challenge. I have never develop anything similar (enterprise systems only) - so, can you give me links to start with. I want to help and get Android on my Advantage.
I tryed to compile kernel from ltg and some other repos with no success. I only have one working binary-only haret image that boots. Im interested in dualboot androd and just linux with X. If anyone have source of kernel that actually boots and support display adapter plz post.
you go, make me happy.
i use my athena every day, and i wanted to see android on it for years now.
could you use something out of the androidathena project from back in 2008.
I will come back to see if there is progress in this project, there are a lot of people who had made a beginning and then suddenly stopped, hope you will make it working.
Hell Yeah!!!
just-learning said:
you go, make me happy.
i use my athena every day, and i wanted to see android on it for years now.
could you use something out of the androidathena project from back in 2008.
I will come back to see if there is progress in this project, there are a lot of people who had made a beginning and then suddenly stopped, hope you will make it working.
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Ditto on that one
Android on the Athena x7501 help!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2242471&postcount=19
This link is an All-in-one release Android on Athena file(click on the link above)
This is what the link says:
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Hello everyone... I'm back with a new update! I finally got the touch screen working! Still have a lot of work left of course.
If you want to play with it, you can get it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/118229739/Android-Athena-05282008.exe.html. This is an "All-n-1 Release". Just copy the exe to your sd card and run. After clicking, it could take up to 20 seconds to boot. Be patent!
As always, this is work in progress... Thanks for testing!
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This is the all in one file with explanation on how to install.
I installed it, but do not know how to use the config and patch.
maybe you can, it should work.
maybe from there someone could pick it up and make a nice android Froyo or Gingerbread for us.
Thanx in advance.
Everything is in here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393389
Glad to see this
As a long time 7501 user, I use it every day even with sucky WM on it, I am glad to see some people interested in reviving a truely great machine.
athena kernel in-progress
Hello everybody,
So, I am working on the project of athena linux porting. You can find a help on the AthenaInstall link of athena topic from the htc-linux.org wiki
It is a kernel 2.35 for athena and the devices ( screen, keyboard, microdrive, touchscreen, power ...) should work.
You could also install an angstrom rootfs.
I expect after some improvements and corrections to build an athena kernel for android .
Good Luck
I don't know how many started this undertaking. And came up short.
So good luck !!!!
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This is a pretty good educated guess to why many programs are not working on 4.0 The issue is many other devices have wm6.1 roms ported to them so the oem drivers from 6.0 stayed so apps like skype etc... work.
The AP4.0 rom is fully a 6.1 rom from the ground up. it comes from a build 19202 Athena X7510 rom so drivers and everything is 6.1 and updated. I believe once skype and the other developers make their apps 6.1 compatible we will all be good.
This has been sort of proved as other devices and roms have the same program compatibility issues. Now don't kill me if im wrong but there is strong evidence to suggest this.
5.0 Beta 1 is not too far away. will be a new os version and all bugs except for realvga and program compatibility related ones will be fixed hopefully. If anyone wants to play with 5.0 a few days before find me on irc and make sure you have the new spl.
Pawel062, good update thanks. I just got accustomed to AP4.0!!!
Anyway, I know you and others have explained IRC before, but can you tell me how I can get connected? I hope to be a beta tester for 5.0.
If not, its cooh. Just let me know and I will look for it.
Thanks buddy!
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Pawel062, good update thanks. I just got accustomed to AP4.0!!!
Anyway, I know you and others have explained IRC before, but can you tell me how I can get connected? I hope to be a beta tester for 5.0.
If not, its cooh. Just let me know and I will look for it.
Thanks buddy!
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http://java.freenode.net/
under nickname type what ever you want
under channel type xda-devs
good news. if you need some help i am here....
Thanks irus, I appreciated buddy!
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I removed it and seem less hanging and TouchFLO working perfect.
Lovely Opera, playing the zoom more than surfing, now my preferred choice.
Just want to know if anyone is actively working on Android for the Titan. I found the stuff for the Vogue, but it's still a bit buggy on the Titan. I'd like to get in contact with someone about testing their builds. I do not have the knowledge to program unix/linux myself, but want to help get this project accomplished. Thanks!
make that two
ditto.
I've got pretty decent experience with linux, but am not really a programmer by any means. If there's anything I can help with I'd be up for it.
all i know is that android was just made open source a few days ago, so hopefully that means somebody will get their hands on that and do whatever it is they do to make it function on our 6800's. and that is all i know...
i'd like to know more though, just dont know where to really look or who to ask as its only been worked on for the vogue- as far as i know.
I wish I had the time to fully take on this project but a current robotics project has me tied up. However, if anyone does find a project, I'll glad to help. While I'm usually a C guy, especially for embedded development I'm fairly familiar with java byte code.
i have booted the vogue version successfully on my 6800, but it's extrememly sketchy. seems to run well, but screen doesnt function 100%, buttons do not work more than I'd say 10% of the time (if at all), sound non functional, no hardware keyboard, etc...
however! i did successfully recieve/make a call. exciting, i know lol
but yeah, there's news and videos all over the net of Android on the TItan, but nothing even close to being functional. not to mention it's still just a skin over winmo. you cannot boot directly into android from a reset.
here's what is extrememly exciting though: I can get 24/25 megs of ram free and can boot into android no prob. what if winmo wasn't running in the background?? there would be so much more free ram! there's roughly 40 megs of ram that winmo is using, plus whatever android consumes, i'd say if someone can get android to boot without winmo in the background, we'd have ~50mb free ram. that's would make this phone run sooo much smoother and more seamless.
I'm convinced that a major reason the screen is buggy on the titan is that it's set up for the vogue, which has a wider screen. I didn't notice this until the last release where the android logo goes off the side of the screen. I don't think it would take much tweaking to get it working well, unfortunately like others, I just don't have the time until the semester's over. If no one has it done by the end of the semester (I hope it happens much, much earlier!) then I would have plenty of time to devote to this project.
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If no one has it done by the end of the semester (I hope it happens much, much earlier!) then I would have plenty of time to devote to this project.
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The semester has less than 2 months left!!
shapiror06 said:
i have booted the vogue version successfully on my 6800, but it's extrememly sketchy. seems to run well, but screen doesnt function 100%, buttons do not work more than I'd say 10% of the time (if at all), sound non functional, no hardware keyboard, etc...
however! i did successfully recieve/make a call. exciting, i know lol
but yeah, there's news and videos all over the net of Android on the TItan, but nothing even close to being functional. not to mention it's still just a skin over winmo. you cannot boot directly into android from a reset.
here's what is extrememly exciting though: I can get 24/25 megs of ram free and can boot into android no prob. what if winmo wasn't running in the background?? there would be so much more free ram! there's roughly 40 megs of ram that winmo is using, plus whatever android consumes, i'd say if someone can get android to boot without winmo in the background, we'd have ~50mb free ram. that's would make this phone run sooo much smoother and more seamless.
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Wait.. I was under the impression that haret wiped WinMo from memory entirely, thus requiring the soft reset. Anyway, I'm also interested. You can go to #htc-linux on freenode irc; I hear that work is being done there.
I got it to boot, but not functional
I also have had the same experience described here by other users.
q on the keyboard = menu to unlock the screen.
The camera button pulls up the virtual keyboard but didn't close it for me.
Any other keys people know about?
madsuse said:
I also have had the same experience described here by other users.
q on the keyboard = menu to unlock the screen.
The camera button pulls up the virtual keyboard but didn't close it for me.
Any other keys people know about?
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I've been able to use the power button to close applications (not the end-end keypress that some users have tried and found working)
My camera button opens and closes the on screen keyboard on an all-or-nothing basis (meaning if it opens, it closes - IF it opens at all)
The OSK is actually the only way I've found to unlock the screen.
Other than that, send and end seem to work as normal for making/ending a call
Still very sketchy though, as I've said
hahaha... yes we are working on it...let me point you to the correct thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341903
It has a working keyboard now... Go to page 14 I have posted instructions on getting it working...
Mods, if possible can you merge this thread.
wasupwithuman said:
hahaha... yes we are working on it...let me point you to the correct thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341903
It has a working keyboard now... Go to page 14 I have posted instructions on getting it working...
Mods, if possible can you merge this thread.
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Very nice! When I get a free minute I'm going to read through this thread!
First off, F off if people get mad for me pulling up an old thread. Its a stupid reason to get mad. Starting a new thread would make it MORE confusing.
My main point: there are active communities attending to the adaptation of android to their devices, vogue, kaiser, etc. Where is the titan scene.
there doesnt seem to be any one spearheading this for the Titan, is the person hiding or not existent?
Second point: i'm ready to start with this can some one reach out and point me in the right direction, the closest i can find to an active project is this:
http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
Magikster (I probably got the username wrong) always seemed to have the best Android build for Titan back before I got my ADP1... I haven't used anything since early January, but it looks like he just released a new build today
http://magister.ipsys.net/projects/android-for-titan/
Good luck
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First off, F off if people get mad for me pulling up an old thread. Its a stupid reason to get mad. Starting a new thread would make it MORE confusing.
My main point: there are active communities attending to the adaptation of android to their devices, vogue, kaiser, etc. Where is the titan scene.
there doesnt seem to be any one spearheading this for the Titan, is the person hiding or not existent?
Second point: i'm ready to start with this can some one reach out and point me in the right direction, the closest i can find to an active project is this:
http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
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Actually Magister works with dzo. His kernel changes are in dzo's git (on that webpage). In essence this means that you can use dzo's builds starting from March 11. (http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/...it;h=aaac085b22894e0ba27fd740f920dbc7cc366cf1)
For the adventurous, this means using nightly builds from http://www.androidonhtc.com/kaiser/latest_builds . Sadly the screen flipping in the wrong direction is present in those bundles.
thanks for the info guys, are either of you working on android development too?
I have been messing with android on my blackstone for a while now and would love to run it on my athena, I have a copy of 1.0 android that boots that was posted ages ago on here, and have tried to no avail to boot a later version either 1.5 or 2.0.1.
I feel that its pretty close but need someone with some linux/android experience as I think the problem lies in the initrd file.
With this is mind if there is enough interested I would like to see how many people would be willing to donate to a developer/developers to get this running on the athena?
I have seen bounty threads before and they seem to work, so post if you interested in donating to the cause.
What about perfectng the wm6.5 ROM along side the Android for takers?
Thanks mate.
in all honesty i have a x7500 im actually going to sell my iphone and get a x7510 just to have them both .. if im gonna get rid of an iphone i dont think i'd be going to an android
i too am very excited about this as have android 2.1 working on Blackstone so you would like to see it om here. i am not a dev in that sense but i am happy to contribute in any way.........cash not a problem
By the looks of it not many people want android for athena? for anyone who does bear with me as I am spending a huge amount of time behind the scenes working on trying to port 2.0.1 with some help from some experts
Would find Android an interesting idea
Hello avergerpenguin,
Would be very interested in seeing this happen, I have been keeping an eye on your work for WM 6.5 but not yet had time to try flashing one of the roms but if your work on there is anything to go by then I'm sure this will be good. Is this going to be full rom for the phone or run as an app over the top of win mobile?
Oberth said:
Hello avergerpenguin,
Would be very interested in seeing this happen, I have been keeping an eye on your work for WM 6.5 but not yet had time to try flashing one of the roms but if your work on there is anything to go by then I'm sure this will be good. Is this going to be full rom for the phone or run as an app over the top of win mobile?
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At present it is not possible to run android without winmo, however mitchy has created a rom for diamond that only loads the drivers etc needed and then autoloads android meaning that you cant get to the winmo underneath.
But firstly I need to compile a working android kernel, see what does and doesnt work and then go from there and possibly create a android only rom, but depends on functionality
I am in avengerpenguin
Id love it on the x7510
Android on Athena
I would love to have Android on my Athena, or even Maemo5
Hey Avengerpenguin, I am VERY VERY interested in Andriod on my Athena. I would love it. I am happy to make a donation to help this along if there is a real chance of us getting it going. I wish I knew how to develop so I could help out that way, too.
New Advantage user also interested in Android. I flipped my mytouch to pick up a G1 to use Android and an Advantage for everything else!
Looks like we're preparing to declare against the new dell mini 5 tablet. Its neat to see how ahead of their time these athenas really were.
Also interested in Android on Athena
Now that it looks like WinMo is a dying OS (no new versions after 6.5), I'm also interested in Android.
The new Windows Phone 7 isn't going to be based on WinMo, so I have nothing to gain by staying with Micro$oft software.
Would love to avoid buying a new phone for as long as possible. The Athena has everything I need in it; all I'd have to do is obtain new programs, which I'll have to do anyway.
I am late to the party, but ya, android would be awesome to have. I still have my athena kicking around, and would love to really use it again.
Very interest in Android
Please do this. Thanks for all your work
I'm 100% looking forward to using my Athena again if Android 2.1 can be made to work. It's a sensible OS moving forward given that wm6.5 is towards the end of its life cycle.
Cheers.
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I'm 100% looking forward to using my Athena again if Android 2.1 can be made to work. It's a sensible OS moving forward given that wm6.5 is towards the end of its life cycle.
Cheers.
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EAGLESTEVE!
thought you had dropped off the planet, nice to see you still around
Regards
Jay
Hi Jay,
I went off and bought a Touch HD. Sold it and got a 3G, followed by a 3gs. Hence the absence. But I still have my Athena with an almost dead battary though. Each time I turn it on I'm always attracted by it's hugh and beautiful screen. Somehow I find myself unenthusiatic about using winmo applications again after using iPhone, sorry to say. That's why I hope to see Android on it. It would really Be an awesome device once again I reckon if that's done.
BTW, which is the newest and most popular ROM you guys are using these days? Might try it out for fun before Android is available for my Athena.
Cheers and good to be home.
eaglesteve said:
Hi Jay,
I went off and bought a Touch HD. Sold it and got a 3G, followed by a 3gs. Hence the absence. But I still have my Athena with an almost dead battary though. Each time I turn it on I'm always attracted by it's hugh and beautiful screen. Somehow I find myself unenthusiatic about using winmo applications again after using iPhone, sorry to say. That's why I hope to see Android on it. It would really Be an awesome device once again I reckon if that's done.
BTW, which is the newest and most popular ROM you guys are using these days? Might try it out for fun before Android is available for my Athena.
Cheers and good to be home.
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Me personally, I have been using Lennie's 6.5 rom. I have not liked 6.5 at all before Lennie had his latest V3.00 out, and now I quite like it. I would still say that 6.1 has the edge for ease of use and speed, but Lennie's latest offering is much improved on speed and looks. We dont have many cooks left on here now, so people seem to be trying out some of the old stuff again. We seem to be getting posts from roms way-way back now. I have a G1 myself now, and very good they are to. I do like to keep up with the WM stuff still.
Guys (and girls ... if any are reading .. )
After some tinkering about (for days now) with Mango build 7720 (Thanks again YUKI + XBOXMOD!) I can confirm that the many of the issues present in Mango Beta are now gone ... Ok granted the MicroSD gets encrypted but its not meant to be removed on an original WP7! You can refer to Yuki's thread on how to unlock your MicroSD card if you don't fancy the likes Microsofts OS and want to revert back to Android .....
Now, it's a known fact that multitouch is an issue together with sound and camera. I was unable to find solutions to this issue. This thread seeks to ask / reply and hopefully implement some of the issues which remain for us to make the HD2 and hopefully run Android and WP7 natively without the abstraction layer present in the secondary bootloaders.
Question 1 - I am aware that CLK runs android only. Are the sound / camera / and multitouch issues present in WP7 also present in Android NAND roms running on CLK ?
Question 2 - How possible is it to modify CLK to run WP7 if the answer to above is NO?
Question 3 - If the issue iies in the secondary bootloader drivers (if any) ... Is there a way to modify/contribute for further development on them?
If we resolve these the HD2 would truly be a remarkable piece of hardware running virtually any OS. Presently the multitouch issue kills some of the enjoyment on WP7 ... and the source sound input gain is too high.
I really wish if we could get some serious thread going and if anyone is confident that he/she can help resolving the driver issue, feel free to pm me. I am a software developer (c#) if this can help in any way. Have been using it some years now on a daily basis. I am willing to provide my help. I hope that anyone could help along maybe we create yet another open source bootloader which does the trick.
Hoping to hear from you so we get something going ...
Regards
Al
I would really like to hear from some devs I am more than sure that the community would be very grateful.
Secondly (courtesy of warriorvibhu)
I suggest that you all Sign this Petition.. Kindly inform all fellow HD2 owners to sign it ... especially if they were impressed by WP7 on HD2.
Alcatrazx said:
Guys (and girls ... if any are reading .. )
Now, it's a known fact that multitouch is an issue together with sound and camera. I was unable to find solutions to this issue. This thread seeks to ask / reply and hopefully implement some of the issues which remain for us to make the HD2 and hopefully run Android and WP7 natively without the abstraction layer present in the secondary bootloaders.
Question 1 - I am aware that CLK runs android only. Are the sound / camera / and multitouch issues present in WP7 also present in Android NAND roms running on CLK ?
No there are some issues in camera and sound with android but is related to incomplete kernel. They are not related to each other for example no multi touch issues on android. All those issues are related to not perfect drivers hd7 is using another touchscreen panel I guess and maybe different speakers and camera. Anyway those drivers are complexed to write because we dont get source from microsoft on how to write them.
Question 2 - How possible is it to modify CLK to run WP7 if the answer to above is NO?
Theoritically yes but CLK is designed to load an linux kernel. So if we want that we need to write a complete new bootloader.
Question 3 - If the issue iies in the secondary bootloader drivers (if any) ... Is there a way to modify/contribute for further development on them?
Yes but you need to go backt to Windows 6.5 and read out the current drivers and port them to windows phone 7 properly. But you will need a JTAG for it and you must be very skilled.
If we resolve these the HD2 would truly be a remarkable piece of hardware running virtually any OS. Presently the multitouch issue kills some of the enjoyment on WP7 ... and the source sound input gain is too high.
I really wish if we could get some serious thread going and if anyone is confident that he/she can help resolving the driver issue, feel free to pm me. I am a software developer (c#) if this can help in any way.
Hoping to hear from you so we get something going ...
Regards
Al
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Hope this make some stuff clear.
You talk about a sound issue.
If your talking about the sound being too high, then a cab can be downloadeed to fix this. Doesnt limit the maximum volume, just reduces the minimum and puts bigger steps in placce.
We need an asm developer for try to fix multitouch problem... or the source code of driver...
Multi-touch is a bit better for me (don't know if the games which need two screen pressure work I didn't tried yet) but in Bing Maps and IE9 it's working most of the time.
Just hope that's will come soon, I cant wait it !
However, I also hope the Mango will worked with flash and include more apps in the marketplace.
Fisher_9511 said:
Multi-touch is a bit better for me (don't know if the games which need two screen pressure work I didn't tried yet) but in Bing Maps and IE9 it's working most of the time.
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Its not working in any of multitouch Games.
Nice thread,curious to See the answers, definitely camera is a big issue for me, hope it get fixed soon.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
Dont forget the need to use the "batterytrick"
good thread by the way
Unfortunately the thread won't lead to anywhere. Development on WP7/7.5 is not like development on Android. WP7 is closed source and so is the drivers.
So unless HTC themselves step in or a developer hacks new drivers up(which won't happen). We'll never see a native WP7.
We're using all the stuff that was leaked from the original LEO ROM. Also, CLK with WP7/7.5 boot support would not change this. And no, all these problems are not present in Android. But that's because the developers have more tools and open source code to work with, something we don't have.
Try to think positive man... Have you ever seen the arm listed file? We need to find a timer between the two finger... would not be so so so hard... but only hard...XD
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Unfortunately the thread won't lead to anywhere. Development on WP7/7.5 is not like development on Android. WP7 is closed source and so is the drivers.
So unless HTC themselves step in or a developer hacks new drivers up(which won't happen). We'll never see a native WP7.
We're using all the stuff that was leaked from the original LEO ROM. Also, CLK with WP7/7.5 boot support would not change this. And no, all these problems are not present in Android. But that's because the developers have more tools and open source code to work with, something we don't have.
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Hi and thanks for the feedback. With a negative attitude the thread will lead to nowhere yes. That was what people said a year ago when they said that WP7 will never run on the HD2 but the devs ultimately got there. Thanks for answering the question re the Android drivers though.
You are RIGHT that the drivers in WP7 are closed source drivers ... so is MAGLDR. Rewriting another bootloader (if needed) which does not have all the frills of MAGLDR but which is open source could be a possibility.
I am not interested in getting into the WP7 ROM and modifying the drivers built in ... We have to use a technique similar to what they use when creating emulators by reverse engineering ... The most die hard emulators out there such as some of the Playstation emus out there were all closed source but it did not stop the devs from doing a proper emulation of the console.
I'd really appreciate if you could be more specific when you said that we are using the stuff which was leaked from the original "LEO" ROM ... as far as I know, is it not the Schubert which was leaked? Correct me if I'm wrong ... We got too far to give up just now...
Multitouch games do not work .. with the current Multitouch driver .. mainly due to the finger position bug .... This is explained in detail on youtube.
Sound is distorted because the input gain is too high ...
Let's not speak about the camera for now ... I think those are the two major issues which need to be remedied for now. Hopefully this thread will get us somewhere.
Regards
Al
Good initiative ! I hope we can make things work.
Also for those with the negative attitude...if you dont have anything good to say...dont say !
backlashsid said:
Good initiative ! I hope we can make things work.
Also for those with the negative attitude...if you dont have anything good to say...dont say !
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Nicely said and many thanks
You talk about a sound issue.
If your talking about the sound being too high, then a cab can be downloadeed to fix this. Doesnt limit the maximum volume, just reduces the minimum and puts bigger steps in placce.
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That is not exactly fixing the issue... It just modifies the maxima and minima ... The sound (input gain) is too high making it sound distorted from the HD2. The fix does remedy this a bit but its ... erm not really fixing the problem.
do think this would be a good idea, but its not being negative pointing out the obvious issue, its being realistic.
you see the point you made on MAGLDR and WP7 running of the HD2 is mute, and im not sure you fully understand its use, there are fundamental differences in making WP7 believe the HD2 is a native device and changing the actual drivers, you see, the SPL for the HD2 was opened up a long time ago with HSPL to be put in place which pretty much allowed us to do anything, the next critical piece was MAGLDR, which sat on top of the HSPL which gave us the potential to install android then WP, both HSPL and MAGLDR are very much programed by folk on here, they were not "hacked" or copied, they are closed source as you put it but they are built for a purpose of doing exactly what they do, enable custom ROMs, for WM, Android and WP to install. But that’s not the issue, the issue is a driver
To be clearer on the matter, IF WP7 had never been tested on the HD2 initially then we would never have had it.
The reasons for the bugs we talk about are because we have test drivers that were never supposed to see the end user. Had we not had that opportunity with the drivers on the HD2 then we would have been up the creek with it.
There are only a number of possibilities to get what we want
•HTC/OEMs go out of their way to finish the HD2 WP7 drivers and give them to use
•HTC/OEMs gives us the Relevant code and tools to do it ourselves
•We find native Windows phone devices that uses EXACTLY the same hardware which we can borrow
•Finally, the wildcard, someone who happens to know how to program for the hardware in question comes to help us.
That is it im afraid, its not being negative, you want to know what we need to do, well, there you go, the chances of HTC etc helping us are almost non-existent, finding devices with the same hardware, well i think we have more of a chance of HTC giving us them, BUT thats more to do with the very old digitiser we have, less so with the other hardware elements, so there is a possibility there.
Finding someone who can actually build a driver from the ground up? its possible, but short of putting adverts out on every developer website asking for help its not likely we will find one from this thread alone.
dazza9075 said:
do think this would be a good idea, but its not being negative pointing out the obvious issue, its being realistic.
you see the point you made on MAGLDR and WP7 running of the HD2 is mute, and im not sure you fully understand its use, there are fundamental differences in making WP7 believe the HD2 is a native device and changing the actual drivers, you see, the SPL for the HD2 was opened up a long time ago with HSPL to be put in place which pretty much allowed us to do anything, the next critical piece was MAGLDR, which sat on top of the HSPL which gave us the potential to install android then WP, both HSPL and MAGLDR are very much programed by folk on here, they were not "hacked" or copied, they are closed source as you put it but they are built for a purpose of doing exactly what they do, enable custom ROMs, for WM, Android and WP to install. But that’s not the issue, the issue is a driver
To be clearer on the matter, IF WP7 had never been tested on the HD2 initially then we would never have had it.
The reasons for the bugs we talk about are because we have test drivers that were never supposed to see the end user. Had we not had that opportunity with the drivers on the HD2 then we would have been up the creek with it.
There are only a number of possibilities to get what we want
•HTC/OEMs go out of their way to finish the HD2 WP7 drivers and give them to use
•HTC/OEMs gives us the Relevant code and tools to do it ourselves
•We find native Windows phone devices that uses EXACTLY the same hardware which we can borrow
•Finally, the wildcard, someone who happens to know how to program for the hardware in question comes to help us.
That is it im afraid, its not being negative, you want to know what we need to do, well, there you go, the chances of HTC etc helping us are almost non-existent, finding devices with the same hardware, well i think we have more of a chance of HTC giving us them, BUT thats more to do with the very old digitiser we have, less so with the other hardware elements, so there is a possibility there.
Finding someone who can actually build a driver from the ground up? its possible, but short of putting adverts out on every developer website asking for help its not likely we will find one from this thread alone.
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ur right...man sometimes i so feel like bombarding Drew Bamford (product design HTC) emails about windows phone 7 and androi on HD2 and force him to be convinced to make drivers for us....its our right
but then again...can we really ???
backlashsid said:
ur right...man sometimes i so feel like bombarding Drew Bamford (product design HTC) emails about windows phone 7 and androi on HD2 and force him to be convinced to make drivers for us....its our right
but then again...can we really ???
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I'd say... let's do this! If we get enough people, and those will send emails like everyday, then why not? There's nothing to lose
IF, and its a big IF, we are going to get it working better its going to need ideas like the comment from backlashsid to get unofficial support from these companies
In my humble opinion there is little chance of getting anything else working better without the support of people in the loop, essentially that means HTC and Qualcomm, but remember that by getting the HD2 running WP7 we are costing them money in lost sales, so there is little incentive for them to support us in an official capacity, what we're looking for is an insider!
it doesnt hurt hunting for new devices with the same hardware but its unlikely anyone would use old gear.
This would be nice so then we (as the community of XDA) can show off our HD2's as the beast-mode phone and bestest phone ever!
i had always meant to do some developing but the drop in activity i realized when i moved from the sensation to the rezound really compelled me to start plus i have some work that i really have to do and really dont want to do so you know how it goes. Anyway to it
i started by googling how to build android roms which lead me to xda university giving me a nice expaination as to the various parts of android which i was already familliar
another search lead me to the offical how to build android from source page. i had a few concerns so i thaught i would ask here
i have knowlage building various web applications(php,js,ect) and not the let the fromework so this for me kinda apps i like thinking and innovating. i have a little experience with c++(i was at the stage of learning a gui when my old laptop crashed) so i think i have atleast good enough programming experience to catch on to java at a nice pace. Am currently reading and following googles nice little guid on developing android. Am in the process of setting up work envo (already got ubuntu 12.04 up). and thaught i would just leave a post here to see if anyone had any advice for me?
what i wanna do is be able to port for us,build original roms AOSP they call it for us, build and or port sense roms for us and eventually get to the point where i can get us sense5 or help neo(or any other dev) help us get sense 5. oh and i think i would like to build/modify kernels as well. oh oh and being able to invent exploits to get root or s-off for devices i might get in the future.
Question: while i was reading i was seeing where the buiding process was doing alot of synceing with google servers ect. i dont actually want to submit whatever garbage i might write to them while am testing so im still on the right track following the guid here correcto??
short version: I wanna build android custom roms ect not just edit files and put it out am i on the right tract following the guid here (i already know a lil programming)? http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html
any advice/resources/links welcomed
oki am on the page that says "building and running" i dont see anything for our device am guessing thats because development from aosp has stopped for us and thats where ppl like neo and cyanogen make thier magic. what is the next tut or read for me?
Try this. You could always pull Neo's CM 10.2 repos instead of the 10.1.
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