Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
emigre said:
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
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You don't need two of the same thing. I haven't used titanium but nandroid is a, if you will, what-you-see-is-what-you-get backup....what I mean by this is it will back up your phone in the exact state it is...you can't choose to exclude this or that, etc. I prefer mybackup pro because the one time I used titanium I couldn't figure out what to do cuz the GUI was so scrub. That's just me tho.
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I think the main difference is that nandroid will restore everything back the way it was through recovery. With Titanium Backup, you can backup your apps+data and restore them if you flash a new ROM. So like if you upgrade to the latest version of CM6 or Liberated, you can carry your apps over. If you restore the nandroid, it will restore the old ROM too.
Thanks for the response guys.
@blindfusion: I think you just pointed out the main difference there. I didn't think of it that way, the old ROM would also be flashed!
@zervic: Now I think I'll need to get my hands on a backup app. Will check out backup Pro!
Thanks again!
under nandroid/advanced restore, there's an option to restore data. not sure how it differs from titanium. i think titanium let's you pick the apps to back up. nandroid just backs up everything.
So does nandroid also give us the option to restore data (ie. Saved apps, datas, etc) under advanced without flashing the old ROM back in?
For example if i were to flash a newer ROM (FR007 for instance), then i'd be able to have access and restore ALL the backed up data in nandroid? And have a newer version of the OS?
Am i missing something here? I guess i just want to keep my aria light and avoid installing apps i absoloutely do not need. To keep it zippy and maintain precious internal memory.
Thanks again everyone!
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that's how i've restored apps/data after updating rom.
Thanks for the confirmation Darren!
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
No titanium backs up app and their data only.nandroid is a full system image.
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androidlover123 said:
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
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Always make both before flashing a new ROM. If everything goes according to plan, run Titanium to restore all your apps into the new ROM. If something goes wrong, you can use Nandroid to restore your phone to pre-flash state.
Also, you should copy the Nandroid file to your computer. If your phone is ever lost or stolen and you get a new one, you can restore it to your old phone's image.
NANDroid backup is a complete image of your phone: the OS, apps, data, everything. So if you screw up your phone, like making it unbootable, or accidentally wiping it clean, you can restore the image and everything will be back to the way it was when you did the backup.
Titanium Backup is an app in your OS that backs up other apps, their data, and some system data / user settings. It's usually used, for example, for restoring apps and their data after a clean install, where you've wiped everything clean.
The two options are fundamentally different, but do have some overlap.
I've never got nandroid backup to work for me personally. Always comes up, "backup not found".
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
silentsigma said:
glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
thanks. that answer all of my backup questions.
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
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Sorry still unclear for me, so if i have CWM i will go to recovery and there i can performe the backup right?
that copies the nandroid to my Sd card? and that image is flasheable image? is that correct? sorry if any of those is a stupid question :S
Edit: Nevermind, i found a guide here that is good for newbies like me, but thanks anyway
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
ferns_mccanus said:
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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1. Correct. Its highly likely that there will be issues (device won't boot) on almost every occasion.
2. Yes. You may also want to exclude "app data," since it may cause a bootloop or system instability (on some occasions). You could keep a Tb backup if you wish.
It won't be a fatal mistake, but the device will just not boot up (soft-brick). You would have to boot into recovery mode a restore/flash a rom made for the device.
Yes, that's correct.
Ive searched this forum, and general forum and even clicked the "similar threads" it suggested and i couldn't find an answer.
I have a few questions about the nandroid backups. I have successfully used nandroid, and am comfortable with the backup and restore functions..and I understand that being voodoo - that I must disable before i can nandroid restore to a non-voodoo setup..
i am using the "standard" red CWR..not the updated 3.0 orange one..
here are my questions..
1. let's say i make a nandroid backup of my 2.8 superclean voodoo that i am running now.. i go and flash MIUI and make a nandroid of that one.. can i flip flop back and forth using restore? do i need to wipe data/cache for each prior to restore? and will flip flopping back and forth cause any issues?
2. can i use any of the system tools (super manager/astro/ect..) and/or via SD connection to computer to rename my nandroid backups so i can differentiate between them better, rather than just having it named the date of the backup? if i rename it will it bork the file so it wont load when flashing a recovery?
3. some ROM's come with kernels attached..does the CWM note this and reflash kernels those possibly different kernels upon recovery since a specific kernel is running at the time of the backup?
thank you!
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I can tell you nandroid doesn't flash kernels, you'd have to keep track of that manually if you use different kernel with each rom.
Depending on framework, and various other things I would imagine there's room for the two nandroids to interfere with each other but that's just my guessing, and I'm not very sure.
mrjake1970 said:
1. let's say i make a nandroid backup of my 2.8 superclean voodoo that i am running now.. i go and flash MIUI and make a nandroid of that one.. can i flip flop back and forth using restore? do i need to wipe data/cache for each prior to restore? and will flip flopping back and forth cause any issues?
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I would recommend wiping in between each restore. As long as the ROMs are both compatible with the kernel you're running, there shouldn't be an issue.
2. can i use any of the system tools (super manager/astro/ect..) and/or via SD connection to computer to rename my nandroid backups so i can differentiate between them better, rather than just having it named the date of the backup? if i rename it will it bork the file so it wont load when flashing a recovery?
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Yes. All the backup name is is a folder where the backup data is stored. It can be renamed to whatever you want.
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So I got a replacement Vibrant from T-mo. I already rooted it, and now I am trying to figure out the easiest way to trasnser everything from my old phone (running Bionix, a 2.2 rom) to the new phone which is running JI6 2.1.
I already rooted and installed clockwork on the replacement. Can I just make a nandoid backup on the old phone, running bionix, and transer that nandroid backup to the new replacement phone running stock 2.1 and do a nandroid restore?
If I remember correctly, nandroid does not backup/restore the kernel...So should I just flash a 2.2 kernel on the new phone, then while still in recovery restore the nandroid backup from the old phone?
This seems like the easiest way to get the new replacement running like the old one.
Any help is appreciated
Edit- also, if I restore the nandroid, it should do my photos and videos too?
Yes. Just move your backup folder with the saved file into your clockwork mod folder inside your phone then you can run restore your old settings.
Thanks for the response. Regarding the kernel from current 2.1 and doing a nandroid restore to 2.2, do I need to flash a 2.2 kernel before the nandroid restore?
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Nandroid does not restore your kernel. I would dl your kernel, put it in root of your sd,. Put the nandroid on the sdcard. Reboot into recovery, wipe, restore nandroid, clear cache, fix permissions, flash kernel. Reboot, let phone sit for 10mins, reboot, use as normal.
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Nandroid will only restore system, apps and app data. Pics and personal address content will not be included. For a full transfer you will need to copy your entire old sdcard to the new one... on the old phone - make Nandroid, copy entire sdcard to new phone, add kernel to the new sdcard and follow instructions above.
I tried copying my pics over and it made a folder in gallery with like 2100 thumbnails... I only have about 200 pics... its weird, looks like it just keeps repeating the pics over and over
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That is strange. Did you copy the old sdcard to your computer first, do you still have a copy there, What does the backup folder contain?
Or it might be quicker just to mount the new sdcard, nuke the thumbnails and be done with it.
I get tired installing everything with titanium backup. If I use a nandroid backup can I go from ROM's such as comm romm 1.3, to Evil fascination without use of titanium backup?
Would I just go into recovery and go to advanced restore and restore just the data? Would this screw up the whole ROM or would I get my system settings and apps back?
Another quick question, and off topic:
I have update.zip on my sd card from flashing CWM many moons ago. I'm on version 3 of CWM, do I still need update.zip on my phone?
You can get rid of the update.zip if you're using CWM 3.x (or even most 2.5.x). If you aren't applying update.zip to get into CWM, then the update.zip is useless.
As for restoring data from an nandroid backup, you could possibly do that, but you'd have to restore only data, and even then you may run into problems. It's likely safest to use Titanium Backup, and only backup non-system apps/data. I just did a restore today via Titanium Backup, and it only took like 5 minutes, and I didn't see any hassle with it. Did you purchase Titanium Backup, or are you using the free version? Using the paid version may make restoring a little more painless for you.
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You can get rid of the update.zip if you're using CWM 3.x (or even most 2.5.x). If you aren't applying update.zip to get into CWM, then the update.zip is useless.
As for restoring data from an nandroid backup, you could possibly do that, but you'd have to restore only data, and even then you may run into problems. It's likely safest to use Titanium Backup, and only backup non-system apps/data. I just did a restore today via Titanium Backup, and it only took like 5 minutes, and I didn't see any hassle with it. Did you purchase Titanium Backup, or are you using the free version? Using the paid version may make restoring a little more painless for you.
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Thanks. Appreciate your advice.
Just wondering......
I'm on simply honey 5.1 and have been updating with it's no wipe script. I'm curious in trying MIUI and Cm7. I just wanna know if I could restore with a cwm backup, and get ask my apps back without having to do a titanium backup.
thanks!
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I believe you can but you if you go to CM7 or MIUI, you will have to odin back to stock if you want to revert to anything else. But from there you won't be able to just restore your CWM backup because CWM does not backup the kernel. Best thing to do then is to flash any GB rom to get back to GB kernel. Then you can restore your CWM backup.
Anyone correct me if this is not the case.
But wool all of my market apps still be installed thru the cwm restore? Even if the ROM I switch to wipes?
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Yeah the CWM backup backs up your current config exactly as it is (*except the kernel). So if you end up restoring, it should be right back to the way it was when you backed up.