Htc has made numerous statements that it will review the bootloader policy but as mentioned in many text we all know that just spin, I say we boycott HTC and dont buy on launch day unless the lock is down
Dear sir, I see this is your first post and I welcome you to the site, but how many of these threads do we really need?
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
Htc better care, who do you think makes all of the apps that are the reason why ios and android are what they are today? If they're not smart enough to care today then they'll start caring a few months from now when all of the 3D apps are designed for the optimus and the E3D is irrelevant.
Theyre already one of the last out the gate with dual cores
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Nsandhu23 said:
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
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That is correct. But who do the majority come to when deciding which phone to buy? The geeks. Imagine if engadget, phonedog, cnet, etc... were to give the EVO 3D bad reviews? Can you imagine what the comments will say in those articles? Even if we can't make a direct impact with our own sales, we influence the minds of many of those people that are not as tech savvy as us. My whole family has HTC phones cause of me. That will soon change. I am sure we can have a very powerful impact.
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im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
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Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
WeatherTech said:
Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
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This. +1 (10 char)
I for one have a job with PHONE SALES, and i am sure i am not the only one. What we think will influence the customer greatly.
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Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
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Not true. We are the enthusiasts who shape consumer sentiment. This news has made it to all sorts of popular blogs recently. Even a friend of mine who rarely reads tech blogs stumbled across the news. My fiancee won't even think of buying it anymore obviously because I won't -- and I'll recommend other phones to her, my friends, and my family.
That's already ~10 devices for one pointless random person -- me. I know the effect isn't as dramatic for some others, but what we show off, what we brag about, what we get excited for and lust over... is highly contagious. The legendary HD2 didn't merely sell because of its "awesome features." It's still moderately (shockingly) popular today among enthusiasts and is happily sold and traded online -- because of the community.
Even if it's just a placebo effect for the masses (who won't ever know what "flashing" could possibly mean), placebo effect and public sentiment is one of the biggest influences the advertizing world has ever known.
Now the clincher -- many people besides the forum-goers here look to HTC as an alternative to Apple out of principle (or bad experience). They need just ask one enthusiast or read one of the many popular tech sites now posting this news to know that they shouldn't buy the device. How? They'll just read that it's "locked, unopened, encrypted, spurned by uber-geeks" just as the Apple product was.
Don't underestimate our power. Use it. Such social gathering and protest won revolts in random middle eastern countries. It even won a partial concession from Motorola and its formerly horrific bootloader policy. It's powerful, and it works. Vote now (link in sig, takes seconds) and/or contact HTC. Better yet, have your friends do the same. Welcome to Web 2.0 power, people.
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This. +1 (10 char)
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Actually, with the amount of discussion on the bootloader it might even make sense to have another subforum for it! Lots of useful content but it's all split between threads.
we need time to assess
Just tweeted this - not really any different than the others but still
@HTC - Say no to locked bootloaders and say yes to open development. #EVO3D - #Sprint - #youlockwewalk
Let's also get Sprint's attention! I just posted a thread on there. Respond or start your own. The more attention the better. I am sure Sprint is in on this also.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/comm...ew=discussions
I disagree with you completely. The N64 emulator and the 3D capability of the EVO 3d alone would attract so many people, its like a phone and a 3DS. We are a minority, we may be able to convince other people to not buy it, but a 3D phone is attractive to the masses sort of like an iPhone is.
it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
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Lol i say on htcs sites and email that i will not be gettin the evo 3d bc of this to try and change there mind . But really who thinks its gonna help ? Sprint and other carriers have a roll in this to they dont want you to be able to get hot spot free anymore,
Im gonna get thr evo 3d for the phone itself
No matter if they change it or not , the evo 3d is the bEst phone coming out soon its htc , htc has the best build quality other then apple and i hate apple
But you people or can say ur gettin samsung or lg can go ahead i will wait 6 months for a full root with a leaked eng bootloader half root wont hurt untill then . What will hurt is u people going to samsung or lg and couple months down the road ur phone falls apart i would rather a great phone then a phone with a unlocked bootloader
We will get full root, some how, some way. If htc does it the way that sony is (they unlock, flag as voided), I'm sure we will find a way to use that and unlock that biotch.
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Their is almost nothing on their facebook about the unlocked bootloader. Maybe they decided it is not worth their time since most people forgot about it already or simply do not care. We need to keep bombarding them with emails and posts just like we did when it was first announced. If HTC thinks that we have forgotten or no longer care then they might not even bother. Persistence is key!
its been done already. Trust me, if they wanna do it they will, if they go back on their word it will be a mess for them. I dont think the emails are going to do any better at this point, since they have already said it, and what more can we get from them? Now its in the hands of the decision makers as when to release it. Sending them email it probably a waste of your time and theirs, bunch of people have done and they say they will unlock it. I dont think you are going to hear anything different.
Its time for people to start actually returning their phones. Not only that, but post on FB/Twitter and tag HTC in the post.
its all about that people saw that devs here at xda are close to this, so they dont care anymore
Them not mentioning the bootloader is not a reason for everyone to just give up on the 3d. This is an extremely nice phone that hasn't been out for 2 weeks, be patient people it'll come.
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I just don't think that will be especially helpful. But I dont mind posting on their fb page later today. Ill just ask for a date.
They have already stated that they will unlock the 3D but they are working out the details. It will happen but it might be another month or more before it actually happens. Emailing them isn't going to make it happen faster. And returning your phone isn't going to cause them to do anything either. We are a minority ourselves and then there is a minority of the minority that would be willing to return their phones which isn't enough volume to make HTC even blink.
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Their is almost nothing on their facebook about the unlocked bootloader. Maybe they decided it is not worth their time since most people forgot about it already or simply do not care. We need to keep bombarding them with emails and posts just like we did when it was first announced. If HTC thinks that we have forgotten or no longer care then they might not even bother. Persistence is key!
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what do you mean 'YOU people'???
So, what happens if I do return the Evo 3d? If I don't get another phone, and use an older phone that I have, will my upgrade status be set to a full upgrade? Or do I have to get another new phone? Will I still have a 2 year contract, or will it be reset to what it was? Just wondering, because I don't know what other phone I would get. Also If I return it now, can I buy it again at discount price once Htc unlocks it? I know there are a lot of people here who work for sprint. Also, I purchased it from RS if that makes a difference. Thanks
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What do YOU mean "you people"?
Htc does not care if you return your phone. Sprint buys the phones from HTC, then sprint sells the phones with their plans. HTC has their money they already sold the phones to sprint. So if you return the phone HTC could care less its no money out of their pocket. It would be sprints loss more then anything.
Let's not forget that HTC NEVER said they would unlock the EVO 3D bootloader. They said they would change their policies on FUTURE devices. They also stated that since the EVO 3D was already far into production that their statement did not apply to the EVO 3D but that they are reviewing whether or not to unlock the bootloader for the EVO 3D.
I'm all for being patient and the phone is currently still kicking ass in spite of Sense..but...we are losing developers. Perhaps not right this second, but, with every minute that goes by we march closer and closer the the 30 day window closing more and more devs are wondering what to do, keep it or get the SGS2 which will be no problem to dev for?
It's going through nearly ever users mind (here) and probably every devs mind. HTC is dragging their heels, developers are losing interest, users are getting scared...HTC has their money, what do they care if they take 3 months? By then developer interest will be close to gone and if/when we get CM8 it will be extra buggy for us for a while...and a month or two later the next big phone I'm going to get will be announced...
I think this screen is absolutely gorgeous and going to the SGS2 would be a giant downgrade in resolution--screw the overblown colors, compare your EVO3D to your EVO4G side by side...the resolution difference will be missed...
...but, I miss theming, custom roms, custom kernels, overclocking, wifi tether, the security in having a nandroid backup, the security in knowing that if I **** something up *I* can fish around in there and fix it--which I currently lack.
I amazing devs are doing all they can, and I thank them graciously for their efforts...and perhaps HTC will unlock the phone--eventually--but will that be soon enough to save our "scene"?
After keeping an eye on the dev threads for the 3D and Sensation I see a lot of brilliant ideas being thrown around. Some seriously clever people in there...but also some very major roadblocks in this phone, all very intentionally engineered to keep us out.
I guess what I'm getting at is: What is everybody elses "worst case scenario" plan? If i bring the phone back and it gets cracked the next day I can always go buy another one. What phone will most of the user community migrate to? What of developers?
Mine is to bring back my phone on the 30th day if it is not cracked or officially unlocked. Then wait for for the SGS2...(my only concern being the crappy radio, but, the EVO3D has a pretty weak radio too). If during my wait the EVO3D is cracked or unlocked I have the option to buy that again, or even wait longer...
thoughts?
You're complaining about unlocked bootloader..?
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You're complaining about unlocked bootloader..?
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Read the tag on this thread.
Came from a friend on another forum:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
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Philip
HTC
The person who sent the email responded asking why other people were getting vague emails that gave no certain answer on the future of the 3vos bootloader.
This is the return reply:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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I don't see any evidence that their definition of soon matches with my definition of soon...it is a relative term, after all.
I'm going err on the side of caution, unfortunately. They have 2 weeks.
Regardless of time frame, we are all at the mercy of HTC sadly enough
The date on that link is June 17.
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stop with these threads i dont see any new information here.
if its that big of a deal return the phone so the people who are gonna keep it dont have to see these dumb threads.
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The date on that link is June 17.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I would imagine it has more to do with appeasing partners (read: Sprint) than it has to do with technical hurdles...though I'm sure there is still a redundantly redundant amount of testing involved. Most of it is probably policy and politics than anything else.
omgtheybetterfixitinthenexttwelvesecondsorimsogoingtoreturnthisphonegoddamn
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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i agree make it so the person knows what they are doing
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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If teamwin does it great. However I would be very surprised if there weren't strings attached to HTC's solution and no thanks to that. If the SGS2 would be announced for a pre-September release date the 3D is going back.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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he probably knows that he was just saying it might be better if they did it that way.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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Well, in if that happens in 2 months from now you and the 3 remaining devs will have a blast I'm sure. This technology moves way too fast for delays like this. The first 30 days is a given, return period, time to root, etc...but this time we are up against heavy duty security for heavy duty securities sake.
While I do exaggerate a bit my point remains. We don't have time to wait as much as you think we do...developers want to develop, and when they put a commitment into a device, well, not being able to develop a god damned thing for that device is kinda a turn off. Few of our best ROM developers are also the low-level guys doing the heavy lifting and intense probing and testing required to attain root/s-off...there is an overlap, yes, but most of these guys just want to make a rom or work on a kernel, and that is to say nothing of the theme guys who operate as creative talent before technical talent...
This is an elaborate ecosystem of skills and talents here. If you happened to be one of us lucky ones in the EVO4G community from the beginning you should know that it was a bunch of coincidence and a pre-release root (and the happenstance of Sprint getting its first kickass superphone--now a regular event)...so don't expect that magic to sit around waiting for this phone to be opened up.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but that there were a lot of factors that went into it happening last time--just having a decent phone and a forum weren't what made it happen.
Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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It's a very capable phone, I agree. But it has far more potential than it has capability...and I didn't buy this phone to only be as capable as the phone it was replacing (a heavily modded EVO4G) with the only difference that I can actually see is a resolution difference.
Sure, we knew it would come locked. I knew I'd have this decision to make. It's a very capable phone. But it is also capable of so much more...that's what I want out of it. My 4G was doing everything at least as fast and with at least as good battery life with far more flexibility...
...the only reason I am so impatient is for the reason I posted above. If it doesn't happen relatively quickly the spark will fade rapidly. I feel very comfortable in the 30-day window. But as the 30 day window closes I am not going to be the only one who sizes up this situation and has to make a decision...more important than me and you and all of the other users there are the developers. The ones who provide the value-adding goodies that we love so much...without them we just have a phone like a million other phones, excuse me, that takes 3D pictures and/or Video...the only differentiating feature really....sure, HTC didn't sell a device that was intended to do the things I want to do with it--but it could...until they made it so it couldn't specifically...artificially...
You might not get it...if that's the case, congrats, this is the phone for you. No regrets. Rock on. But for me and what I would imagine are the majority of others here that is a deal breaker.....
@daneurysm: very, very well stated. I'm with you 100%
my email exchanges...
I have purchased your mogul,evo,and now evo3d. I would like to say that I love the evo3d, its an amazing device. But, if the bootloader isnt unlocked or rooted by the time my 30 days is up, I will be returning it. I feel as though I own the device, and used my hard earned money to buy it, and like a computer I should have access to it. I understand the consumer doesn't matter at all in todays corporate run world, but this is my stance, as is many others. I bought it, I own it, it is no longer yours or sprints as I'm not leasing it, I own it, its mine. Thanks, maybe.
their reply.
I certainly understand that you're looking for the bootloader of the EVO 3D to be unlocked. This is indeed something that we're working on, true to our word. We don't have a date set yet for when the update to do so will be available, but as this is a high priority situation when there is news on the subject it will be posted to our social media outlets, like our Facebook and our Twitter just as the previous announcement was. I hope that it is soon.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Philip
Some of you know me. Most of you don't. I don't know what weight, if any, what I have to say will carry.
Nonetheless, I do hope you read this and can appreciate my point of view.
Some background.. My first Android phone was the heroc, and since I bought it eons after initial release, it was already rooted and several alternative ROMs were available, including a still maturing CM 6.x. My second Android phone was the Evo 4G, again bought some time after its release, and root and CM were already available and improving day by day. In both cases, we had phones with relatively easy to defeat bootloader protection.
HTC learned from this. They knew that a system as vulnerable as that was a fairly easy target for those that wanted to do harm. Their engineering choices for the next series of devices was pretty much set in stone: They had to protect their phones from exploitation. Hence we see the shift to eMMC and other technologies to do just that.
How did the masses respond? Well, they didn't give a crap. It was just a miniscule subset of buyers of the new Evo 3D that started *****ing and whining because they couldn't easily bypass their enhanced protection.
After a rather ugly spat of "unlock or we walk" campaigning on their Facebook wall, they promised to unlock the bootloader. A promise I am confident they will keep, if on their terms.
So that we don't lose perspective here, understand that this was a response to a VERY SMALL (albeit vocal) fraction of people that have already purchased or will eventually purchase the phone.
To rephrase: The vast majority of people that buy this phone will never even consider running anything besides what HTC officially releases as an OTA update. It won't even occur to them to do otherwise.
The current stock ROM is not perfect by any means. But then again, when has it ever been that an initial release has been perfect?
Over the course of the next few months, HTC will hopefully work out the majority of the issues (and I am confident that they will, at least from the perspective of the regular user) and, quite frankly, that SHOULD be their focus.
Cue the whining facebook posters, threatening to return their device if HTC does not make unlocking the bootloader their top priority. Hate to break it to you, but they won't, and shouldn't, do that.
You know what? I really hope you return your phones if you don't get what you want. I hope you pout and stomp your feet in the process and bahave like some self-entitled jackass as well. This isn't just about you. It's about the entire customer base, and most of them just hope you will shut the **** up. To be honest, I am one of them.
When HTC does the smart thing, and unlocks the bootloader when they are as certain as they can be that doing so won't endanger the folks that won't take advantage of it in the first place, I'll get my AOSP, and my overclocked CPU, and my tasker and my titanium backup and all the other cool things that come with a rooted phone. And I will get them when having them doesn't put everyone else at risk.
They have a lot of bugs to fix. Some of them are quite annoying. Some of them (re: temproot) are flat out dangerous.
As much as I love and support the people putting countless hours into the root process (and I am actually wondering who gets there first, HTC or the devs) given what I have seen in the dev threads, I am leaning more and more towards waiting to see what HTC comes up with, then proceeding from there. They might not admit it, but I bet the devs are secretly doing the same.
Chill out, good things are coming
I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
Holy Wall of text not bothering to read that mess... But +1. To whatever point your trying to make
3D > iClone
Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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OK good I thought I was loosing it lol.
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I think its more so they listened because we're the kind of people who really push their phones around to other people. They constantly ask us what phones are good and such. We may be a minority but we sure do influence the other half of the consumers who don't care.
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I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
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We made our point, they agreed to unlock. Do you really think continuing to harrass them is going to get it done faster?
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When HTC does the smart thing, and unlocks the bootloader when they are as certain as they can be that doing so won't endanger the folks that won't take advantage of it in the first place, I'll get my AOSP, and my overclocked CPU, and my tasker and my titanium backup and all the other cool things that come with a rooted phone. And I will get them when having them doesn't put everyone else at risk.
Chill out, good things are coming
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I'm not disagreeing with you or mean this in a condescending way, I'm just wondering because I'm curious. How would this put people at risk/danger?
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We made our point, they agreed to unlock. Do you really think continuing to harrass them is going to get it done faster?
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My statement stands prior to the minorities bombarding their walls now. They've responded and have given an ETA. Anyone that wants to try to push them into releasing quicker, they should just understand it's the best option for now until Sprint releases the SGSII (which probably wont even be until next year.) So just stick with it and hang in there.
I will say I'd prefer it sooner but I think their ETA was made to be the latest date they could prolong the issue.
Jeremiah239 said:
Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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As we use it its not. That it can be done means there is an exploit that might be used for more nefarious purposes. Read the posts on it, they have reported it to HTC as such.
Overstew said:
I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
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you also completely missed the point.
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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The nature of the exploit is indeed dangerous, and exploitable - hence having it in the first place.
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The nature of the exploit is indeed dangerous, and exploitable - hence having it in the first place.
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Yes, the exploit can be malicious in the wrong hands, but you stated temproot in the OP, which was misleading. I've read your OP and I've commented on it. I just want to ask, if we make up such a minority of unhappy buyers, then why do they find the need to put s-off in the first place?
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I'm not disagreeing with you or mean this in a condescending way, I'm just wondering because I'm curious. How would this put people at risk/danger?
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the exploit that gives us temp root is dangerous enough that those that discovered it have reported it to HTC.
Ranger093 said:
I think its more so they listened because we're the kind of people who really push their phones around to other people. They constantly ask us what phones are good and such. We may be a minority but we sure do influence the other half of the consumers who don't care.
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Not really, but if it makes you feel better to think otherwise, who am I to shatter that belief.
I agree With the Op
Don't get me wrong I haven't run a stock phones for a while... Windows mobile now android
But, I agree. Things always get done, it was going to get unlocked and indoor think some people got a little out of hand with the crying
Anyways, I'll wait till we get s-off to start my fun.. In the mean time I have other things to have fun with
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Yes, the exploit can be malicious in the wrong hands, but you stated temproot in the OP, which was misleading. I've read your OP and I've commented on it. I just want to ask, if we make up such a minority of unhappy buyers, then why do they find the need to put s-off in the first place?
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Its not misleading. the exploit is dangerous and will likely be fixed soon.
You assume they are giving us S-Off, which in the vernacular of what the 3vo is just doesnt make sense anyway. This isnt as simple as that.
They are probably going to make it so we can write to /system. I do not envision a scenario where we get the equivalent of S-Off, but I also dont see where they have to. this isnt the 4g.
Mayonesa said:
I agree With the Op
Don't get me wrong I haven't run a stock phones for a while... Windows mobile now android
But, I agree. Things always get done, it was going to get unlocked and indoor think some people got a little out of hand with the crying
Anyways, I'll wait till we get s-off to start my fun.. In the mean time I have other things to have fun with
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Its not that I think they wont get it done, but hammering them about it is getting old. I think they got our message long ago. Its going to happen. I dont see how hammering them relentlessly will get it done any faster.
CyWhitfield said:
Some of you know me. Most of you don't. I don't know what weight, if any, what I have to say will carry.
<lots of useless nonsense/>
Chill out, good things are coming
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Just saw this update across Facebook from HTC:
Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
**UPDATE**
We’ve listened. Check out the statement from our CEO, Peter Chou on HTC bootloaders. Click the link for more info. http://on.fb.me/iZXgkR
**UPDATE 7/10**
We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!
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So I think basically that means they ARE making it a top priority, and it makes your rant irrelevant.
Thought I would create a simple poll. Let the people voice their thoughts!!
The question's simple:"Would you buy another HTC phone if it was impossible to turn S-Off?"
Yes or No.After voting, please post in the thread explaining your choice.
If I reach 500 votes, I will personally spam every public avenue HTC has with a direct link to this thread so they can see the impact their choice to lock down their most recent devices has made.
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EDIT:: My answer is no. If it was impossible to turn the Security flag OFF then I would never purchase another HTC phone again. I am a firm believer that since it is MY property that I should be able to do with it whatever I want, when I want, how I want.. Without ANYONE telling me that I can't. PERIOD. If HTC want's to play these games and tell me what I can and can't do with my property then I will never purchase another HTC phone again.
Seeing as how my last 8 phones had the HTC brand on them, they will definitely be losing one very loyal customer...
I swore that I would never buy an iPhone because they are so locked down it's disgusting and consistently push out updates to try to stop attempts at jailbreaking the device. With that being said I stuck to my guns. I never bought one. Or any other Apple product for that matter. This is what the Amaze 4G is starting to remind me of.
HTC has officially dropped the ball this time and it's time we, the people, the one's paying idiotic amounts of money for these phones actually tried to do something about it.
I would still buy HTC. I'm sure devs can figure out a way to turn it off eventually, and I like the look of HTC phones (form and screen) the best.
I find it insanely stupid to pay six hundred dollars and not own a device. I love this phone but it will more than likely be my last HTC phone. I won't go Apple but probably back to Samsung, even though I owned the Moment,worse phone ever, or maybe Google will do more with the Moto Mobile and put out a great phone. I just don't see HTC doing what's right and giving us S-off or making it any easier.
No I Will NOT Buy Another HTC...Amaze Is For Sale!
People having "FUN" with their phones...that's precisely what drives new phone sales now. When newcomers pop onto a Great Dev Site, such as XDA, it literally drives/motivates them to run out and buy "the phone everyone's having such a great time playing with"...because...everyone wants to have fun with their phone! HTC & others build great form & functionality into their phones, but that's not to say they know best...we're simply talking about a staff of engineers that are tasked with developing a phone which functions 100% of the time, for 100% of the buying public, which only speaks to whats best for THEM...while very commendable feats of accomplishment indeed, each individual being able to take that same phone & teach it to do "flips & cartwheels", in addition to the "sit-ups & summersaults" the engineers have already presented, is but a further testiment to their great feat of engineering. I would consider this to be very "complimentary"...opposed to the "intrusive" stance they seem to be taking. Think about it & stand in their shoes for a moment. Try to imagine what a proud engineer would say..."gosh, look what great things these people are doing with My Phone". Anyone can build a phone...HTC used to build FUN into their phones...that's why I bought my First HTC...second HTC...third HTC. People must have fun with their phones....I believe HTC is too smart to not allow that any longer. HTC cannot possibly believe the sales of this "locked-up, house-trained Parrot" will ever soar with "Eagles" such as the likes of the HD2, the DHD, the EVO, the Sensation, and many others to this point! How many potential sales of the AMAZE have been negated by people coming to XDA alone? I would very safely say...enough to make a couple of down-ticks on their not-so-Amaze-ing revenues. On a separate up-note...all the Devs here at XDA are very first-rate, thorough & innovative. I have followed practically all of them, used all of their ROMs, tweaks & gadgets to complete satisfaction...I personally Thank All of You Very Much......
...."You All Alllowed Me To Have FUN With My Phone"....
No Way
I totally agree with daswahnsinn. I bought the phone and it should be mine to use however I like.
MildewMan said:
I would still buy HTC. I'm sure devs can figure out a way to turn it off eventually, and I like the look of HTC phones (form and screen) the best.
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There in lies the problem. It is not our responsibility to bypass security, create bounties or make pledges just to have full control over something WE own. Imagine purchasing a tv, only to discover certain cable providers are not compatible with it simply because the manufacturer of the tv says so. HTC has no logic reason for enabling this unnecessary security, but it's there nonetheless.
Meanwhile, we're left with a device, that some of use paid full price for, to use how HTC wants us to use it. I've been a fan of HTC since the Dash but this will be the last if they continue with this shady practice.
Still yes but i never buy new release phone wait for couple of months and see if there are any progress on the community for the device if it is rootable or the devs are interested to go on for further development.. there is a positive and negative side for this S-On S-Off thing..
first for the positive side yes it is a expensive device but there are alot of new comers aka (the one who doesn't carefully read and understand.) And if they saw a post like how to turn S-On to S-Off or Root your phone etc.. they just go straight away without reading the thread replies and so on and if that happen that it did brick there phone so to there last resort they will return there phone to htc for replacement or repair.. waste of time or money bad for htc to replace the unit that is defective.. that is why they impliment the locked S-On thing.
Negative is for us who want to fully expand the capabilities of our device yes we bought it in a highed price for this time and as a consumer once we bought it that means that we own it.. we need S-Off to customize and tell our phone what or how we want it to act up.. personal taste and personal preferences and that us consumers makes us happy for what we paid for..
as for the htc i hope that we have option like what you did for your bootloader to unlocked or re-locked the bootloader we hope the same thing on the S-ON thing..
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There in lies the problem. It is not our responsibility to bypass security, create bounties or make pledges just to have full control over something WE own. Imagine purchasing a tv, only to discover certain cable providers are not compatible with it simply because the manufacturer of the tv says so. HTC has no logic reason for enabling this unnecessary security, but it's there nonetheless.
Meanwhile, we're left with a device, that some of use paid full price for, to use how HTC wants us to use it. I've been a fan of HTC since the Dash but this will be the last if they continue with this shady practice.
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
my reason for choosing htc has/was/will always be cuz i like sense better than touchwiz/blur/aosp, they make great looking devices, and usually have some killer phone specs
besides, there's really not that much we can't do with our phones at this point, except flash radios, kernels already have a work around so really what's the big deal?
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
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I think that's the reason they gave us. I think another reason they are doing this is to prevent us from being able to make our phone the same as new phones that come out, so we still buy the new phones that come out.
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ATTN HTC:
IMHO, give the users S-OFF just like you've unlocked the bootloader. Force verified registration and have the users sign an EULA with all the caveats to removing S-ON.
Provide support/warranty for hardware only. Know that when you send your device in for hardware warranty purposes only, that your data will be wiped. Return the device (or a refurbed one) back to the user bone stock. Locked bootloader, S-ON, stock ROM, wiped internal SD, etc etc.
If the problem wasn't HW related and HTC has incurred costs fixing or diagnosing a software bug (ie: stupid luser bricked it because they didn't follow proper flashing instructions, etc) then send them a bill with the phone or send it back via UPS/FedEx COD. You want the phone back? Get your wallet out. You knew you were playing with fire when you registered for S-OFF/Unlocked bootloader.
The goal here is:
1) give the users what they want (S-OFF, Unlocked bootloader, Source, etc)
2) provide support for what should be supported or agreed upon (EULA)
3) hold the users accountable for their own mistakes (COD device returns for non-hw repairs)
4) provide world-class hardware & service and excel in this market via transparency
If I got this kind of service and support from a manufacturer; I'd be loyal to the brand for life.... and that's a lot of devices.
Cheers
(edit) and yes, I own an HTC Amaze 4G. my DD
smatthew45 said:
isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
my reason for choosing htc has/was/will always be cuz i like sense better than touchwiz/blur/aosp, they make great looking devices, and usually have some killer phone specs
besides, there's really not that much we can't do with our phones at this point, except flash radios, kernels already have a work around so really what's the big deal?
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If I have to explain the significance of S-off and the difference between security and prevention, you have no idea of the purpose of this thread, let alone development.....
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smatthew45 said:
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
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on your this point, it's not always that black and white, it's possible that, like me, their everyday phone just happened to break and they don't want to get a new one of their old phone, just to have to upgrade in a few months as they were planning on doing in the first place before their phone broke, as is the case with me... so I figured well I'll pay a little more for a new phone that will still be worth something when it comes time to get the phone I REALLY want...
glacierguy said:
I think that's the reason they gave us. I think another reason they are doing this is to prevent us from being able to make our phone the same as new phones that come out, so we still buy the new phones that come out.
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I kind of agree, but samsung sure isn't having any issues selling new phones...
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as for the htc i hope that we have option like what you did for your bootloader to unlocked or re-locked the bootloader we hope the same thing on the S-ON thing..
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I think this would be the best route, that way people who don't care about the warranty and want to be able to do whatever they please with the device they purchased, can do so. And those who care about the warranty, can either wait it out, or choose to take a chance. Choice is the key here... that, to me, would be the easy way to do it that would be beneficial both to the consumer and to the manufacturer and distributors from a support standpoint.
If I wanted a locked phone, I'd have gotten the smugphone. I'm a technician with a bs in computer science. I don't need someone else telling me how use hardware that I paid the not subsidized price.
I don't have any statistics, but I'm willing to bet only a small minority of phone users actually root their phones and do the things we do here on xda. the reasoning that HTC is protecting us from ourselves or even protecting their own interest by not having to replace bricked phones is asinine. Samsung sold 20 million s2's so far and I'm willing to bet not even 10% of those phones have been rooted let alone sent back for root/modified related issues. Regardless, I'm not sure if sending them messages or whatever will help, but I still say go for it. It certainly wont hurt anything
its funny how samsung, sony and other companys are unlocking their bootloaders and stuff and HTC hasnt learned anything by this? xD
Yes, but only because if HTC doesn't get it together with Android I'm honestly debating going to WP7. I love the customization on Android but I don't like Samsung or any other Android phones so far (Maybe the Galaxy Nexus, which isn't on TMo). Maybe this will change, but as of now it's either HTC with Android or WP7.
I know it's taboo to mention WP7, but there are more and more tweaks and hacks coming out and they really are simple, beautiful, easy phones. I don't want to, but I hate the "business model" with Android manufacturers making tons of unfinished phones every year....
If it was truly impossible I would say a defiant NO! I'm really sick of this phone being so locked down I love htc's build quality but I am so tempted just to get a galaxy s 2 and not even waste my next upgrade on an htc phone if they keep this up
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Yes, I would, because I don't always have to root a phone/hack it to death to enjoy it, but that is just me and would be definitely in the shallow end of the pool on this site. I mean, I like to mess with ROM's and what not as much as the next guy, but it isn't a necessitie to me. I honestly still rocking a stock Amaze as it works fine for me. Now my MT4G is rooted and have been through a bunch of ROMS on it.
A lot of it is a time thing for me. Just have other interests taking a bigger role in my life currently. One day I may root this, but it won't ruin the experience for me.
I also don't get how someone posting this on February 24th can be this fabergasted by no S-off as it has been out since what November? The early adapters I can understand their frustration more so, but not someone who just recently got the phone or if they were an early adapter, waiting a few months to post how upset and fed up with HTC they are.
Just my opinion in a sea of many.
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Chance Ill said:
If I have to explain the significance of S-off and the difference between security and prevention, you have no idea of the purpose of this thread, let alone development.....
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ya i guess we can all just cry and complain to htc, and threaten to switch to another manufacturer like you want to do right? get real... lol
you said htc has no logical reason for enabling this unnecessary security, i just gave you a good reason, they gave us unlock to allow us to somewhat modify our phones without the chance of bricking and thus claiming a warranty exchange...
and htc has never helped anyone achieve s-off, it's always been the hard work of some dev/team to make that happen, and that remains true today with our amaze, the problem being we don't have many devs working on getting s-off on our phones...
again just cuz htc isn't helping us achieve s-off, doesn't mean they are stopping us from trying or "keeping us from fully owning our phones"
Yes I would, imo, HTC is the best company out there, I honestly think that HTC devices are the most popular among developers and advanced users, also, you have lots of choices if you root, aosp, sense, or miui
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I'm starting a new post to say we need to get pissed. From November I've been looking online every ****ing day to see if any new information will arrive. I don't give a dam if this is googles htc or sprints fault. This is completely bull**** and unacceptable. We need to start a petition and start harassing htc to get there **** together. Lets keep it real, google has released everything so the fact that we have complete working versions I keep the blame off them. We can harass sprint but I think everyone in the US still with sprint is either because they don't care or they to have unlimited data. So lets get on HTC, the evo lte does not have a removable battery or sd card. We are the ones that buy these phones. They lock our boot loaders, this is just all bs. I mean sick seeing posts about mean rom and people saying this will hold me over till ics. They the **** do we have to wait.
I want this thread to be ideas as to what we can do to change how we are seeing the mobile area form. *I have to say I am contemplating windows 8 phones with quad cores and lte if they come out before the end of the year, because of all this bs.
Things I want.
Unlimited data
1080p gorrila glass screen (we are on the verge of quad hd- not too much to ask)
1080p capture
over 13 mp camera
removable battery
sd card slot
lte
quad core
more than 2 gb of ram
more than 64 gb of storage
wish list
waterproof case
5000mah battery
Your expectations is too high, mate..
But cool imagination..
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I get your mad but this only makes about the 50th thread about this. If you want ics go buy a nexus or use one of the other ics roms. You could help by developing yourself and stop complaining. I bought this phone because it was faster than the EVO 4g not because of ics. And mean Rom is great so isn't just about every ROM in the development section ( blaming that as to why I'm a flashaholic) unless I missed something and ics with sense will cure everything. So just chill for now I'm sure your phone works fine and if you need something so bad either develop or pay to play.
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Yeah lol they won't care what the little people want.
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Cool sorry bro...
Oh wow lol. Nice
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Maybe this will fuel his rage a little more:
www.engadget.com/2012/04/21/sprint-discontinues-htc-evo-3d/
Those specs are very reachable.. they won't because that's how they control their own market to maximize sales. IPhone has 64gig memory other phones in Europe have 12+ MP and another gig of ram wouldn't be hard at all... Point being is that they all have to be complete control freaks ( not as bad as apple)
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And if sprint is discontinuing the 3D all the more reason to release ICS if it won't hurt sales... Most people that have the 3D can't upgrade till next year anyways
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my point is that people that bought the htc evo 3d, if your like me, bought the first dual core wimax phone. ics wasn't a secret. jellybean is coming out. wtf are we waiting for. htc is trying to act like apple but we get less memory. they lock our bootloaders and now no sd cards and removable batteries. android an open source is being more closed than apple. let not forget people have been hacking iphone for a long time now. the reason we choose android is because we can mod the stuff ourselves without or at least thats what it was in its prime. the specs I lay out aren't even that hard. why the **** do I have to settle with 4gb of storage when apple was putting out 32. Remember we made htc what it was. from people from back in the day with htc mogul, htc touch pro touch pro 2 and htc evo know what im talking about. I think if all of the people that not only create the mods that we download but all of people that come on xda say they will not buy another phone from htc until we start seeing what we want we could make a change. remember we did make enough of a fuss about the bootloader that we atleast scared htc.
HTC will release ICS when they are ready to release it. Starting a petition will only waste your time. HTC is aware that the minority of their customer base is very unhappy with the lack of a timely release. How many petitions were started when everyone was waiting for GB for the OG EVO? Did these petitions have any effect on HTC to make them release it any faster, not one bit.
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Hey, op, next time, maybe you shouldn't get an android.
I know I probably won't.
look at the **** we are getting for htc. about a million different sensations, and all this bull**** with evo shift evo design.
Also mean rom is great, don't get me wrong. but why do our people have to **** with gingerbread when we want to be messing around with ics.
as for getting a nexus, the nexus is great but sprint gets it 6 months later and i wasnt going to get a single core when dual cores are coming in. and i wont get the galaxy nexus when quad core are here.
htc said they are going to stop making so many different phones like a new sensation every week but why the **** are the putting in non-replaceable batteries and no sd cards. on top of that give us 16 gb of storage. the ****ing lowest level of the iphone.
I hate apple with a passion but steve jobs was the only person pushing this industry forward. My point is that we are the consumer and if we refuse to buy the crap the give us until they give us what we want we can make a change
I agree
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What people fail to realize is companies like htc and samsung could care less about the small number of customers like us (rooters + XDA'ers). the majority of their customers could care less about things like locked bootloaders or ICS.
Cool story bro
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shook187 said:
What people fail to realize is companies like htc and samsung could care less about the small number of customers like us (rooters + XDA'ers). the majority of their customers could care less about things like locked bootloaders or ICS.
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This ^
I have been with Android since the drop of the cdma Hero and I am still the only person I know in Roanoke VA. that even knows what a rooted phone is aside from the friends I've told... Nobody cares except the extreme minority... Which is us here.
I'm Batman..
"I'm starting a new post to say we need to get pissed. From November I've been looking online every ****ing day to see if any new information will arrive. I don't give a dam if this is googles htc or sprints fault. This is completely bull**** and unacceptable."
Why is it unacceptable? ICS source was, I believe, released in November. That's about 6 months ago. HTC has a large portfolio of devices that they need to work on upgrading, bug testing, and so on. They're going to make sure they release a finished product. They had to prioritize something, so they focused on the Sensation line first. You didn't get picked first, deal with it. It's only been 6 months. It seems like a long time, but for a corporation that is designing new phones, working on upgrading older ones, and dealing with a lot of other things, that isn't that long at all. Also, it's not like other manufacturers have been releasing ICS on their phones left and right. Show me a Moto phone that has been upgraded. How about the Epic 4G Touch's update?
"Lets keep it real, google has released everything so the fact that we have complete working versions I keep the blame off them."
What are you trying to say? Are you saying that this isn't Google's fault because they've released the source code? That's true. This isn't their fault. But it's not like the source code that they release can just be put onto our phones; HTC actually needs to do work with that. The update between Gingerbread and ICS is a pretty significant one, so HTC probably has to put quite a bit of work into it.
"So lets get on HTC, the evo lte does not have a removable battery or sd card. We are the ones that buy these phones. They lock our boot loaders, this is just all bs."
What's wrong with the lack of a removable battery? It's a design choice. I bet you can't think of one reason not to have a removable battery other than to use a larger battery. Guess what? Too bad. HTC chose to integrate the battery so that they could give a better built phone. And the LTE DOES have a removable SD card. This shows that you barely even did research on the phone before deciding to complain about it.
We and thousands of others buy these phones. HTC locks the bootloader for safety reasons. I can't believe that people do not understand this. They don't want to have to deal with idiots messing up the phones. There are plenty of people here who know how to flash ROMs but other than that cannot hold their own at all. HTC has nothing to gain by unlocking the bootloaders on their phones, and a lot to lose. But they offer a way for us to unlock them officially, and in a safe way. Almost all of their recent devices are supported by this, and you don't have to worry about updates. It really is a good service but people overlook it because it voids their warranty. Which it should.
"I mean sick seeing posts about mean rom and people saying this will hold me over till ics. They the **** do we have to wait."
Mean ROM is a great ROM and it provides a stable experience for people that want a fully working phone. Our current ICS ROMs are buggy and not nearly stable enough. They also lack some basic functionality, such as camera and 4G. We have to wait because the update hasn't been released yet.
Bottom line: This phone hasn't been updated yet, but neither has the Rezound, the RAZR, the Epic 4G Touch, and so on.. the number of phones that have been updated is incredibly low. This is because they haven't finished them yet. These are companies that release expensive electronics to consumers, and need good reviews from their customers. This means that they have to work at nearly perfecting a release; they have to fix the bugs, make it stable, and make sure everyone will be able to use it without problems. If they release an update that hasn't been tested thoroughly enough, they could face major backlash from the market. Now instead of a few hundred people on development forums complaining that an update hasn't been released yet, they have thousands upon thousands of customers with phones that don't work right.
Making a few hundred people angry >>>>> making a few thousand people angry.
This applies to all of the OEMs, not just HTC. So stop your complaining, stop your whining. You aren't the only one in the world who hasn't gotten his precious ICS update yet. Many other people are waiting for it too, on different carriers, different phones, and so on. All around the world. I don't think you realize that it isn't as simple as copy and pasting to each phone and throwing it out there. It works here on XDA because the users can function as testers, but that's not how professional businesses work. Users are not supposed to be testers for their work; they have employees for that.
My reply to this will be in another thread!
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