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Hi, wasn't sure whether to post this here or in development, so feel free to move it if necessary
I'm currently running Villainrom 12 and love it, but I'm the type of person that Constantly likes to upgrade, and gets bored of things rather quickly.
I've noticed villain have now got a 2.2 ROM out, but my only worry is that it does not include Sense UI. Can someone please point out the main differences between having the Sense UI and not?
and possibly conclude with there opinion on whether i should stick with Sense, or bin it for the new improved 2.2 Rom...?
cheers for any advice.
dael_hero said:
but I'm the type of person that Constantly likes to upgrade, and gets bored of things rather quickly.
cheers for any advice.
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I believe you've answered your own question
but while I'm always looking for something new, I also want it to be Improved .
Ive flashed many ROM's before (Mainly Villain) and all Include Sense, but just want some advice on whether I should switch.
just some opinions and maybe a comparison of features/usability would help.
Could even start a small debate about the 2 different types of ROM's .
I've tried different Roms since Sept 2009, but I've always found stock ones are the most stable. I'm currently using stock 2.1 found un villain forums with a2sd and root. Very fast and with sense. Vanilla Roms tend to drain the battery very quickly. I'm a very heavy phone user and at work coverage is poor. Try them out, you might disagree with me. Oh, and let's not compare specific Roms, they're too different to one another.
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I also get bored with certain ROMs quite quickly and am changing constantly. I started off with Sense and then moved to Vanilla, have been back to Sense and then back again. I'm currently running Vanilla as like the look and feel of it. However I am thinking of going back to Sense, once I can find a good theme as I personally dislike the stock Rosie theme. That's the one thing that puts me off. That said the integration with Facebook and the widgets are a big plus. I know there are other apps and Launchers out there that can do similar things but not quite sure the integration is as good.
Another thing is that Sense UI was designed for the Hero and that means that with a good sense ROM all the hardware works as it should, meaning the LEDs (for notifications). I find these don't work with Vanilla ROMs as yet, although they're getting there.
If you want a change from Villain check out SenseHero. It looks great and is very fast and stable. The guy who created it is currently working on a newer version also.
God, that was long
I own a droid, and have already rooted it, running CM6, got it down pretty alright. So I'm not all that new to rooting. But my sister has a Droid Eris, and I was looking to root that for her. I plan on using the 1 click rooting app mentioned here, but I was wondering if anyone could recommend any ROMs and/or Kernels that I should use? She's not much of a power user, I'm mostly trying to speed it up for her and get rid of stock apps and such, so any help would be great. Thank you in advance
KaosFroyo
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Kaosfroyo is really great and the other two froyo roms on here I've read great things about them too I've just only used kaos and I highly recommend it
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Id suggest a frayo rom there's a few going around I personally recommend kaos frayo V32 very fast and stable, very great build. Its overclocked to 710 out of box.
my rom is pretty great also
You could also use mine, that is if you want a rom that is stock but with speed tweaks and themes.
I would also suggest one of the froyo roms. Tazz Cyanogen Froyo is really smooth and fast. Of course I think this would be a great rom for anyone.
I'd suggest running jcase's PlainJane rom and check out the new BFS kernel.
I just got a warranty replacement phone, rooted the old way and put PlainJane on there (I had been running PlainJaneT2 which just adds support for A2SD but that only complicates upgrading to froyo later) did a nandroid backup then flashed that BFS kernel and ran a linpack benchmark right after scoring near 2.5 without overclocking (PlainJane barebones absolute stock 2.1 with SuperUser and OC support)
I suggest PlainJane because it's simple, you can get moderate EXTREMELY stable performance gains, get rid of bloatware, run wifi tether and no one would be the wiser that the handset was rooted. Your sister can then confidently explore the app market, slowly get into changing some settings, try a new launcher and at some point then maybe she'd have some interest in froyo...
As great as the Eris Froyo roms are you should face the fact that they're all intended for moderately android savvy users or at least novices with aspirations to learn a LOT more on their own. Few users will ever root their phone to begin with, even fewer will go the distance learning command line for abd and the fact that you're rooting her ERIS is evidence enough imho that you should be putting the LEAST complicated MOST stock solution if you intend to do this for her.
If she walks into a verizon store with her phone she'll get no help, If she loses ANYTHING can't use something she wants to for any reason it'll be YOUR fault and she will VERY quickly forget the hours you spent tweeking her phone to squeeze out a couple more MFLOPS that she'll honestly never really use.
that's my take
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I'd suggest running jcase's PlainJane rom and check out the new BFS kernel.
I just got a warranty replacement phone, rooted the old way and put PlainJane on there (I had been running PlainJaneT2 which just adds support for A2SD but that only complicates upgrading to froyo later) did a nandroid backup then flashed that BFS kernel and ran a linpack benchmark right after scoring near 2.5 without overclocking (PlainJane barebones absolute stock 2.1 with SuperUser and OC support)
I suggest PlainJane because it's simple, you can get moderate EXTREMELY stable performance gains, get rid of bloatware, run wifi tether and no one would be the wiser that the handset was rooted. Your sister can then confidently explore the app market, slowly get into changing some settings, try a new launcher and at some point then maybe she'd have some interest in froyo...
As great as the Eris Froyo roms are you should face the fact that they're all intended for moderately android savvy users or at least novices with aspirations to learn a LOT more on their own. Few users will ever root their phone to begin with, even fewer will go the distance learning command line for abd and the fact that you're rooting her ERIS is evidence enough imho that you should be putting the LEAST complicated MOST stock solution if you intend to do this for her.
If she walks into a verizon store with her phone she'll get no help, If she loses ANYTHING can't use something she wants to for any reason it'll be YOUR fault and she will VERY quickly forget the hours you spent tweeking her phone to squeeze out a couple more MFLOPS that she'll honestly never really use.
that's my take
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That was my thinking as well. I've looked through the forums a bit, and I'm assuming you're talking about these:
(Just realized I can't post links, would it be any trouble for you to post links to the ROM and kernel threads you're talking about so I can verify?)
Just want to make sure we're on the same page?
Thanks to everyone for your speedy replies and help. I'm definitely looking into all these, see what might work best and try to explain to her what might work best for her.
I am running CELB and loving it. I had issues with kaosfroyo and forcecloses.
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Jcase Plain Jane 2.1 is a good stable ROM and agree with psilocybenine's comment.
Another good stable ROM to check into could be Sense-able 3.1. I play around and try out all the new roms that come out but this one is my everyday one for it stability. (plus I like the simple blue theme). Have not had any problems.
good luck
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Jcase Plain Jane 2.1 is a good stable ROM and agree with psilocybenine's comment.
Another good stable ROM to check into could be Sense-able 3.1. I play around and try out all the new roms that come out but this one is my everyday one for it stability. (plus I like the simple blue theme). Have not had any problems.
good luck
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KaosFroyo FTW
but this is out of its area next time try and post something like this in the q/a section
dianeofarcadia said:
Jcase Plain Jane 2.1 is a good stable ROM and agree with psilocybenine's comment.
Another good stable ROM to check into could be Sense-able 3.1. I play around and try out all the new roms that come out but this one is my everyday one for it stability. (plus I like the simple blue theme). Have not had any problems.
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Thank you! That seems perfect. Another quick question though, of those two (PlainJane and Sense-able) which is most like the standard Eris UI? I want my sister to have as little trouble as possible when using it
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KaosFroyo FTW
but this is out of its area next time try and post something like this in the q/a section
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My bad, sorry about that, I'll remember it next time thank you. As for the KaosFroyo is that one a fairly simple ROM? again, trying to think of my sister here and ease of use
All plain jane does is add oc capability a d superuser rights. Senseable has speed tweaks and apps2sd and some other tweaks. Both are sense based and are like stock with added root fun.
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Thank you! That seems perfect. Another quick question though, of those two (PlainJane and Sense-able) which is most like the standard Eris UI? I want my sister to have as little trouble as possible when using it
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If you want something as close to the standard Eris UI, then that might be Plain Jane. Sense-able has some bloatware removed and other features but not to far off once you get it set up. Just read the threads thoroughly. Sense-able has a couple of add -on fixes (updated the dialer and a text input fix).
Sens Based ROM all hands up for Plain Jane. Fast, stable and sense. I would highly reccomend it as far as sense based rom. As far as Froyo my choice definitely goes to nonsensikal =)
IamFuzzles said:
Thank you! That seems perfect. Another quick question though, of those two (PlainJane and Sense-able) which is most like the standard Eris UI? I want my sister to have as little trouble as possible when using it
My bad, sorry about that, I'll remember it next time thank you. As for the KaosFroyo is that one a fairly simple ROM? again, trying to think of my sister here and ease of use
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its AOSP(vanilla) and the others mentioned above are sense based, which is how the phone comes so if you want a stock feel i used plainjane but you might want to try them both out mabey one suits you better. as far as ease i think they are all pretty easy to get used to.
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its AOSP(vanilla) and the others mentioned above are sense based, which is how the phone comes so if you want a stock feel i used plainjane but you might want to try them both out mabey one suits you better. as far as ease i think they are all pretty easy to get used to.
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not all are sense based bro
As much as I love the Froyo roms, all of them have small flaws that a not-so-power-user would quickly get frustrated with. The camera issue is one of the most notable. She would have to take a picture, then close the camera and open the gallery to view it. If she tried to preview the picture from within the camera, her phone would lock and she would have to pull the battery. If she's cool with that, put her on a Froyo rom. They're all pretty great!
If she wants pure stability and only wants to download and use apps, put her on a 2.1 rom with Apps2SD. Sense UI eats up a lot of the Eris's speed so I would recommend one without it. Plus it's like getting a new phone when you swith from Sense to non Sense based rom. Conap's ELB is my personal favorite but some of the others mentioned in this thread are also pretty stable.
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I own a droid, and have already rooted it, running CM6, got it down pretty alright. So I'm not all that new to rooting. But my sister has a Droid Eris, and I was looking to root that for her. I plan on using the 1 click rooting app mentioned here, but I was wondering if anyone could recommend any ROMs and/or Kernels that I should use? She's not much of a power user, I'm mostly trying to speed it up for her and get rid of stock apps and such, so any help would be great. Thank you in advance
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Hey, my recommendation would be KaosFroyo; it's definitely smoooth sailing!
I posted an article just a couple days ago on my blog about rooting a Droid Eris if you want to check it out: http://jonsuh.com/2010/09/run-froyo-android-2-2-on-your-droid-eris-how-to/
Tried to condense all the steps all into one post. I hope it helps; lemme know how it goes
I'm still running the original stock VZW/HTC ROM. I know, I know, slow adopter... I'd like to root and go with a ROM that delivers better battery life and a basic debloat. However, nearly every ROM I read about seems to have a major (in my humble opinion) flaw. A non working camera or video camera, non working voicemail notification, malfunctioning signal strength bars, no 4G, etc., etc.
Is my only choice really a Froyo ROM? I'm not willing to stomach any major loss of functionality (or apps), be it phone, camera, calendar, GPS, navigation, various google apps, Bluetooth, WiFi, 3G and 4G, working signal strength bars, etc. I guess I am also in the "I prefer Sense" group but also have not given non Sense ROMs any time.
If responding I kindly request a few sentences of explanation/clarification rather than just saying "Get ROM X, it rocks, it is the best". Thanks in advance.
Everything works on most the gb roms, with some needing certain fixes to fix certain things. Gingeritis 3d, with chingys new radio is tits imho
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Well, I'm not going to give you a few sentences, but I can tell you that I use Gingerth3ory (link in my siggy) and everything works, including vvm as long as you apply the bootable zip fix for that. Before, vvm was the only thing not working.
Camera, videocamera, wifi, 3g, 4g all work. I switched to youmail for vvm because I wanted netflix over stock vvm so that meant a GB ROM.
I highly recommend Droid Theory's latest Senseless Rom. This is the smoothest and quickest ROM of his yet and that is saying something. There is a large mod community if you're interested in that. Most importantly, DT is very responsive and provides great support. He will be coming out with an update very soon to fix the market issue.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1176922
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1187545
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1187545
Just showing there's been 3-4 other similar posts in the past few hours, just to avoid fragmenting answers or not getting the answer you wanted.
Just follow my link in my signature.
Synergy is the way to go.
Thanks folks.
OK we have votes for Gingeritis 3d, Gingerth3ory and Droid Theory's latest Senseless Rom. Has anyone ran more than one of these? Any important compare/contrast between them? I care much more about stability and battery life over eye candy. Those are my top 2 concerns. If those things are improved over the stock VZW/HTC ROM I should be happy. The biggest problems with this stock ROM for me are maintaining a data connection when switching from 3G to 4G and back. Also the speed of the GPS lock is very slow. How are these things in these recommended ROMs?
(yareally: You posted 2 identical links but mentioned 4 threads. Yes the questions in some of these were related to mine but certainly were not identical request.)
I'm going to venture a guess you haven't actually looked at the threads or the dev's pages. Most have a thread for bug reports. GB ROMs are about as solid as any OTA these days. If you're new to flashing DO NOT, DO NOT use Synergy. It's a frankenstein project with no official stable release and a constant onslaught of nightlies with no end in sight. STAY AWAY FROM NIGHTLIES. Try BAMF. Try Gingeritus. Try Eaton. Try GING3R3DTH3ORY. Try something that's known to work and isn't revised several times a week. From the sounds of it, Eaton might be what you want. It looks and works very much like stock.
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Thanks folks.
OK we have votes for Gingeritis 3d, Gingerth3ory and Droid Theory's latest Senseless Rom. Has anyone ran more than one of these? Any important compare/contrast between them? I care much more about stability and battery life over eye candy. Those are my top 2 concerns. If those things are improved over the stock VZW/HTC ROM I should be happy. The biggest problems with this stock ROM for me are maintaining a data connection when switching from 3G to 4G and back. Also the speed of the GPS lock is very slow. How are these things in these recommended ROMs?
(yareally: You posted 2 identical links but mentioned 4 threads. Yes the questions in some of these were related to mine but certainly were not identical request.)
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last one was a miscopy, there was another one at least on the front page, but I was half asleep at the time. I said 3 to 4 btw, not 4. There have been lots though of rom reccomendation postings though and felt you would get a better idea by reading what other people had asked already.
i'm using Synergy with the "06275r" radio and the dreamKernal. i also have SetCPU on set to "performance". it runs really smooth and the battery life is better then stock.
i've tried pretty much every ROM out there and have had this running for several days now. i like it and will keep it for a tad bit longer(why just a tad? i can't help it.. i like to keep trying new ROM's)
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If you're new to flashing DO NOT, DO NOT use Synergy. It's a frankenstein project with no official stable release and a constant onslaught of nightlies with no end in sight. STAY AWAY FROM NIGHTLIES....Try something that's known to work and isn't revised several times a week.
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I have to disagree. Just because Synergy is updated every night does not mean you must flash reflash every day. The nightlies have very minor revisions (adding HTC Car Panel, changing the host file for better ad blocking, changing the Market icon color, changing the email splash screen, etc). If you don't need the newest revisions, then don't flash the latest nightly until something comes along that you really want/need. Synergy nightlies aren't released because it is an unstable rom. Quite the contrary. I have tried roms from 4 other devs and Synergy is the fastest & smoothest of them all. The only time I've had lockups or reboots is when I overclocked too much, which would have happened on any rom.
Don't be dissuaded from trying Synergy because there are nightly updates. If anything, that should tell you the devs are committed to making it better.
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I have to disagree. Just because Synergy is updated every night does not mean you must flash reflash every day. The nightlies have very minor revisions (adding HTC Car Panel, changing the host file for better ad blocking, changing the Market icon color, changing the email splash screen, etc). If you don't need the newest revisions, then don't flash the latest nightly until something comes along that you really want/need. Synergy nightlies aren't released because it is an unstable rom. Quite the contrary. I have tried roms from 4 other devs and Synergy is the fastest & smoothest of them all. The only time I've had lockups or reboots is when I overclocked too much, which would have happened on any rom.
Don't be dissuaded from trying Synergy because there are nightly updates. If anything, that should tell you the devs are committed to making it better.
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I don't agree with that and I'll tell you why. Let's say I tell Joe Bob to go try synergy. He does, and downloads who knows what on whatever night. Then he has a problem... Now what? Try to decipher Ziggy's advice? Try another nightly version? As far as I'm concerned nightlies are for developers. I think that because that been the whole point of nightlies from the beginning. I'm pretty sure CM was the first, but even they did that in support of a release candidate aiming towards an official release. I wouldn't tell someone "Go try a CM nightly!" even if they were looking mostly solid. I've read almost all of the thread for synergy. It's hardly a work without error. I don't believe that project is dedicated to producing reliable ROMs. They show no sign of such in any form, be it a release candidate or a final release. It appears to be a few developers tinkering and experimenting, in many cases against the law, and I cannot in good faith suggest someone fresh on the scene jump into one of the most convoluted ROMs for the Thunderbolt.
I've been using nightlies for INC and they've all been stable for the past several months. They just keep adding features. At first it sort of bugged me that I never had the most updated version but then I just lived with staying with my version for several months until I got bored enough to flash the latest.
If nightlies isn't your thing then that's fine but I don't see a reason to tell other users to stay away from them. Generally they *will* have more bugs because the dev's don't thoroughly check the ROM's before they release - they expect the people who flash to find the bugs and then they fix it in the next releases, but after a while all those bugs are gone- then they move to adding a new feature and that may have a bug, and the cycle continues.
But in most cases these bugs are very minor and overall the ROM is superior in performance / battery / features than other ROM's.
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I've been using nightlies for INC and they've all been stable for the past several months. They just keep adding features. At first it sort of bugged me that I never had the most updated version but then I just lived with staying with my version for several months until I got bored enough to flash the latest.
If nightlies isn't your thing then that's fine but I don't see a reason to tell other users to stay away from them. Generally they *will* have more bugs because the dev's don't thoroughly check the ROM's before they release - they expect the people who flash to find the bugs and then they fix it in the next releases, but after a while all those bugs are gone- then they move to adding a new feature and that may have a bug, and the cycle continues.
But in most cases these bugs are very minor and overall the ROM is superior in performance / battery / features than other ROM's.
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Please read what I wrote. I would not tell a NEW user to try a nightly. That would be stupid. The last thing some virgin flasher needs is to flash some nightly that got some new test kernel cooked into and its quirky as hell, or some jazz like that. We ALL wanted our first flash to work and not freeze or crash. I'm telling a NEW user to stay away from nightlies, not the experienced guy. I don't care how stable one night's version might be, or if almost all of them are. They are test beds and you don't know what you're getting night to night. And NO nightly I've ever used has been quirk-free.
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Please read what I wrote. I would not tell a NEW user to try a nightly. That would be stupid. The last thing some virgin flasher needs is to flash some nightly that got some new test kernel cooked into and its quirky as hell, or some jazz like that. We ALL wanted our first flash to work and not freeze or crash. I'm telling a NEW user to stay away from nightlies, not the experienced guy. I don't care how stable one night's version might be, or if almost all of them are. They are test beds and you don't know what you're getting night to night. And NO nightly I've ever used has been quirk-free.
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Well.. I've had plenty quirk-free. But the Incredible nightlies are more polished than the thunderbolts.
I think you shouldn't tell them not to flash a nightly, just warn them of possible issues and explain to them what they are (and they would see this anyway because every nightly thread I've been to explains this)
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Well.. I've had plenty quirk-free. But the Incredible nightlies are more polished than the thunderbolts.
I think you shouldn't tell them not to flash a nightly, just warn them of possible issues and explain to them what they are (and they would see this anyway because every nightly thread I've been to explains this)
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if someone is starting a thread like this, reading threads probably ain't in their game plan. I don't give advice to strangers I wouldn't give to a friend. You run something like a version of BAMF and you're running something a dev has hung his hat on. Not so with a nightly because there will be another tomorrow night! Telling a noob to try a nightly, regardless of stability, is like telling your kid to learn to drive behind the wheel of a Kenworth. If something goes wrong, its going to become a bigger deal than it would be if the guy had flashed 2 or 3 ROMs. This seems real obvious to me. Are you forgetting your first experience rooting and flashing ROMs? I'm not gonna warn someone of the dangers of doing something I consider stupid. I will say "If you want to do something stupid, go flash a nightly for your first ROM. If your LUCKY it will all work right. If it doesn't, go fly a kite because you're own your own, bro."
Thanks for the further comments. Let's not try to get too side tracked on one ROM with many nightlies. I definitely prefer to steer clear of a ROM with nightlies. I'd like to let others do all that valuable beta testing and simply benefit from their work. Selfish - sure but uncommon - no.
Just to clarify some personal details that may help with recommendations. I've read many of the posts here from the devs themselves on their ROMs. However, slogging through hundreds of pages on a small handful of ROMs is not my idea of fun... I'm quite computer/phone literate but have not done programming in years. I also work in the software industry. After years of crappy and unstable WinMo devices and plenty of random freezes, resets and data loss, I've found a pretty nice new home with Android. I'm not afraid to experiment, trouble shoot, etc. However, I want a phone to USE much more than to constantly tinker, repair, troubleshoot, etc. I'd like a really mature, stable bulletproof ROM along with the ability to have GB and keep Sense. It is incredibly difficult for me to read the oftentimes massive features lists on the first page of any given ROM thread and distinguish it from other competing offerings. Despite being pretty computer literate, most of those pages are nearly entirely "greek" to me.
Perhaps there is no single best ROM or recommendation but I am going to continue to read all the replies here and hopefully get my choice narrowed down. Of course I realize no ROM choice is permanent. I'll just say again I like to USE my device rather than constantly "tinker".
Cheers.
InfuseTh3ory ... Try it.
Since you like Sense then check out Gingeritis
http://www.themikmik.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=271
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gingertheory is a nice solid build that I've been running the last couple of weeks. No big deal breakers as far as bugs.
Edit: with over 600 views, it is sad we only have 20 votes! Vote and let others see who is using what, and what the demand is!
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Development for the vibrant right now seems to be directed by the devs, but in the real world supply and demand is an important concept. Are devs focusing on the builds that are in most demand, or are users using what the devs are building because it is all that is being worked on?
I have a feeling that a comparable amount of people use some sort of custom Froyo and are not willing to go to gingerbread as there are who are continuously using gingerbread. If this is the case then perhaps the devs can use that feedback in some way. In any case it should give us an idea of the current condition of supply and demand.
The idea here is to give feedback to devs that show them that their work is being appreciated, or what they could do that may be the most appreciated. The poll is basic, posts are welcome if they contain useful feedback.
Sorry if this seems erroneous, but even if one developer(or fellow user) finds this to be remotely useful/interesting then it is worthwhile.
I myself am going to use froyo based roms until gingerbread roms are more overall stable and functional, however I almost feel forced to use gingerbread roms since they are primarily what is still being maintained or upgraded. I want the newest features, functions, and tweaks, and since froyo seems to have been nearly forgotten I am not sure what to do. Ultimately this makes me want a new phone that doesn't have this issue.
Froyo, same reasons as you said.
Gingerbread it's way nicer imo haha.
Froyo.
Ginger just doesn't feel complete yet.
Gingerbread... CM7, Trigger and MIUI. They seem to play nicest with my phone
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Gingerbread... CM7, Trigger and MIUI. They seem to play nicest with my phone
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Thats all there is AOSP wise...not sure what your trying to imply or your saying TW GB ROM's don't work that well for you...Malice ran great for me, but I'm back in school and need my batter :/
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Thats all there is AOSP wise...not sure what your trying to imply or your saying TW GB ROM's don't work that well for you...Malice ran great for me, but I'm back in school and need my batter :/
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I'm in college, so over the summer when I didn't have much going on and a charger was always nearby, trying different ginger-roms was fine. Now that I am on campus for extended periods without a charger, I cannot use a rom that will kill more than half my battery in 6-8 hours. If everything worked right, maybe.. but considering an entire summer not being able to get something as simple as GPS working, I would not trade it MUCH improved battery life for less than normal functionality.
I was considering getting a hercules(intl version has many hardware improvements and superior battery with gingerbread), but since it will probably have similar problems(manufacturer wise, no source, mostly forgotten after launch) as the vibrant I would rather go with the prime. But if the prime doesn't go t-mobile than that isn't an option. Which leaves me with hoping that the gingerbread source comes out(for devs to work with), or the devs will make leaps with the ginger code, or that at least a few might work on froyo code..
With so many tweaks and custom apps(like hacked camera) that have come out since most froyo roms fell into neglect, I really want one or the other. If the prime comes out and I can get a tmo version, great.. otherwise I just feel screwed/forgotten.
I feel like the only updated froyo roms are being worked on by devs that don't really have it going on yet, and they only use froyo as a stepping stone.. I wish there were a thread in development section that explained to ALL devs what needs to go into every rom as a minimum(or what tweaks work with which roms, etc).
I won't switch off tmobile, I don't like them as a company, but no other is ACTUALLY better, but they all charge far more. Every situation seems lose/lose the more I think about it.
Bump because I think the results are interesting so far.
Im on gb because the speed boost was just so astronomical... particularly cm7... id appreciate dev on vibrantmtd more than others but i think that the best dev community is one where there is variety so:
Ideally, id perfer to see eclair, froyo, gb and honeycomb roms, as well as wp7 and ubuntu and ios lol. This is my dream.
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I'm also on froyo for the same basic reasons already said. I would love to see the different build prop tweaks, supercharger scripts, gps tweaks, and other customizations built into them as a standard. OnlyToxic8, Dmz nightly and zendroid are the only roms with those tweaks baked into them. I'd love more options.
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9 people either stock or froyo, 1 who is proud of him cm7. I read a ton of posts about how people have cm7 and are totally happy, so it looks like they need to do some voting
We need more people to participate to get a better overall look at the statistics.. several hundred people looked at the thread, but few votes? It only takes 2 clicks to vote..
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Im loving MIUI revamped nick and t. Hill are great in both the rom they provide and support can't be beat.
Stock deodexed and rooted KB5.
I've given up on Vibrant.
I'm getting a new phone. Seriously thinking about iPhone 5. I know, I know.
But I just want a phone that works, and Vibrant has been my 3rd Android phone with problems, constant freezing, and other random issues. Vibrant was probably my worst tech purchase ever. Can't wait to get rid of this crap.
I want the Nexus Prime, but the problem is that it is manufactured by Samsung, and I swore to myself I wouldn't purchase another Samsung product. Then again it's guaranteed to get Google updates. Ahhhh I don't know.
I'm also ditching T-Mobile most likely. I have a feeling they have a hand in Samsung never releasing/leaking Gingerbread on Vibrant.
If we had Gingerbread leaked, the phone would be good probably for another 6 months-1yr.
I just flashed my first Gingerbread ROM (Asgard) and I have to say I prefer Gingerbread.
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Miui revamped by nick and Tory is amazing and they are extremely active in their forum IMO Miui runs much better on my phone than any custom froyo ROM
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miui, the customization and tweaking abilities topped with weekly updates and wip gps meet all my requirements quick reboot (10 seconds) means my wip gps is up and going in no time
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miui, the customization and tweaking abilities topped with weekly updates and wip gps meet all my requirements quick reboot (10 seconds) means my wip gps is up and going in no time
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I'm on a gingerbread rom on my vibrant now. They have definately become stable enough in my opinion. I am running Biff mod which even does not need to be reset to stock or loaded with GB bootloaders making it even easier now. I think the battery offput on GB roms is still there and feels lacking in my opinion but its worth the upgrade in my opinion. Currently on 2.3.5 and wouldn't go back to froyo now.
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so 70% stock/froyo and 30% using gb/happy with it.. but the numbers are too small to be a good sample of the population.
Bump because we need more votes for accuracy!
So I've been thinking about purchasing a fascinate to use for a while, I want to get the galaxy nexus (like everyone else and their brother) but I'm likely gonna just wait until my upgrade is available in July. I currently have the droid incredible, which I do love, but the fascinate appeals to me due to the hardware (GPU, DAC, SAMOLED) and, possibly, development (part of why I'm here to ask your guys' help/opinions).
I use MIUI currently and would pretty much need to have it on whichever is my next device. I see you guys have MIUI builds and from what I can tell, they are pretty bug-free. Curious to hear if there are any issues that I should know about?
I've heard reports of GPS issues with the fascinate, how is it working for you guys on AOSP roms?
Obviously hacking/modding a Samsung is different than what I'm used to with HTC, but am I correct in assuming that you guys have a lot of options when it comes to tweaking kernels, etc? I guess I'm thinking of things like voodoo sound, and display calibration (things you can't do with HTC phones) but I need to do more reading to figure out what they do and how the work on this device...
I see a lot of references to odin and kies. Are either (or both) necessary for rooting and flashing roms, and are they mac compatible? (Researching this now, google should be able to help me with this)
Since the fascinate's hardware shares similarities with the galaxy nexus, it looks like you guys have one of the most functional ICS roms currently available. With ICS source being released and the similarity to the nexus, do you guys think development will continue to flourish on the fascinate? (At least for another 6-8 months)
Finally, looking around on ebay, it looks like a used fascinate can be had for around $90-$120, does that seem like a fair price?
Thanks in advance for any help, I look forward to hearing your insights and opinions!
Im currently running ics v3 on my fassy and I cant see upgrading my device for a long time. Development is still going fairly strong, people here are very helpful for the most part. I would say its definately worth getting a fascinate if you can score one for a 100 bucks. We also have the most lulz than any other section on xda. I know odin wont work with mac, so I cant help you there...but there are a few threads around here with folks using macs with the fassy. Take some time and read up a bit more...can already tell you have done some lurking. Hope to see ya around here more if you end up getting a i500.o
*oh and gps works really well now with some of the latest rom/kenel combos. On cm7 nighlty 112 w/ glitch kenel I was getting a lock in 10sec & 5ft accuracy. Ics v3 is not quite that good but close.
I can't speak to the price, but the development here is excellent despite the phone's age. We have an excellent selection of both TouchWiz-based ROMs and AOSP MTD ROMs. As for kernels, we have at least 3 in each category between here in XDA and Rootzwiki (many of the AOSP ROMs and kernels can also be downloaded from ROM Manager if you don't want to go to Rootzwiki.
Has anyone seen John Connor?
Thanks and thanks!
I feel like I'm probably a little spoiled already since the dev support behind the incredible is pretty strong, but from what I've seen, there's a lot of active development going on here too. Also, most of the activity in the inc dev section is related to sense roms, which I couldn't be less interested in anyway.
The big thing for me is the ICS development going forward, I just see a lot more happening with the fascinate as opposed to the incredible. Basically, us incredible users aren't going to get a fully functional ICS build until a similar HTC device gets upgraded or Qualcomm updates the drivers for our old hardware (probably not gonna happen). I am skeptical as to how quickly HTC will be upgrading their devices to 4.0, and even when that does happen, it will only be newer models meaning, our devs will have to do some driver/EGL hacking and backporting to get HW acceleration working (as I understand, at least). So bottom line, it's just not looking that great for ICS on the incredible, at least for a while, but since the fascinate's GPU is the same as the galaxy nexus', you already have HW accelerated ICS, which is amazing!
I do have some other things I'm curious about with the fascinate, more so hacking Samsungs in general, but I'm pretty sure some searching should yield results, I don't wanna be asking things that have already been gone over! Thanks again, and I'd love to hear more input/opinions/advice, or if anyone could point me in the direction of some good rooting/ROM FAQs. I've looked around here but some of the stickies are either old or have broken links, still gotta check out the fascinate section at rootz though.
EDIT: droidstyle - just saw your guide over at rootzwiki, awesome.
Welp, after researching it, I went for it. Should be here Friday or Saturday so I'll be seeing you guys around!
Welcome
Has anyone seen John Connor?
and a hearty welcome to you good sir. Seriously I would say that that this is one of the easiest devices to get up and running on custom goodies.
ODIN is absolutlely indespensible and a necessity along with updated Samsung drivers. After that all you need to do is ODIN the appropriate CWM Recovery and flash your Rom of choice
Of course read up first so get the right stuff downloaded but that is the gist of it, couldn't get much simpler lol
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."
Hey, thanks guys! Really looking forward to getting my feet wet in the Samsung realm. I'm not seeing many options as far as running Odin on mac (aside from running in a VM, which can be wonky), but fortunately I have access to a windows machine. I'll probably be using the guide droidstyle put up on root wiki for rooting and flashing my first couple rooms, but if anyone is aware of some other good guides, I'd love to check em out.
Heimdall is an open source alternative to odin. Its available in osx, linux, and windows. I personally prefer it.sure to its greater granularity.
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This device is one of the hardest devices to brick also. Odin usually fixes all.. And if you're smoking crack while flashing and find that you have tried to flash ios or wp7 while in your mind jelly state. The fascinate has the unbrickable mod. But really unless your flashing roms for other devices or force feeding it pastrami sandwiches through the battery cover you won't need it
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Haha, that's good to head since I do like to spark myself up a crack rock whilst flashing rooms But really, I'm pretty good with fully reading and following directions so I've never been too worried about a brick but it's nice to know that the phone is resilient like that.
I'm gonna have to do some research on this heimdall tool, sounds like that could be what I need if I don't wanna mess around with drivers and windows nonsense.
Also, it looks like I was wrong about the incredible and ICS, our devs are working on getting HW acceleration fully working as we speak. Oh well, I already ordered the fassy still has some distinct advantages like the DAC, GPU, and screen, things that simply can't be improved on the incredible with software. Only thing I'm a little worried about is the GPS issues that seem to be more hardware related with the galaxy s phones, I'll just have to see how it goes.
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Haha, that's good to head since I do like to spark myself up a crack rock whilst flashing rooms But really, I'm pretty good with fully reading and following directions so I've never been too worried about a brick but it's nice to know that the phone is resilient like that.
I'm gonna have to do some research on this heimdall tool, sounds like that could be what I need if I don't wanna mess around with drivers and windows nonsense.
Also, it looks like I was wrong about the incredible and ICS, our devs are working on getting HW acceleration fully working as we speak. Oh well, I already ordered the fassy still has some distinct advantages like the DAC, GPU, and screen, things that simply can't be improved on the incredible with software. Only thing I'm a little worried about is the GPS issues that seem to be more hardware related with the galaxy s phones, I'll just have to see how it goes.
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You will really like it from the incredible. So much of an upgrade. Its like a mini galaxy nexus (get it?) And its gpu is, however, pleasing.
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Only thing I'm a little worried about is the GPS issues that seem to be more hardware related with the galaxy s phones, I'll just have to see how it goes.
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As far as i can see GPS is only an issue with TouchWiz based Roms, and even then there are "fixes" in place that improve performance.
I've never had an issue on any of the AOSP Roms. Thr first cold lock takes time but after that it is fine. You can also grab an app from the market called GPSAids, it is made specifically for Galaxy S devices and if nothing else is a good way to check satalites in view/in use and such.
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."
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You will really like it from the incredible. So much of an upgrade. Its like a mini galaxy nexus (get it?) And its gpu is, however, pleasing.
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I feel like it's sort of a galaxy nexus "lite", which sounds intriguing to me. I'd definitely like to spend a little time with a Samsung device before upgrading to the nexus later on, I'm looking forward to it!
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As far as i can see GPS is only an issue with TouchWiz based Roms, and even then there are "fixes" in place that improve performance.
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Thank you, that is good to know as I don't plan on running anything but AOSP roms anyway. It's just an issue I've seen brought up in multiple reviews, but since they're reviewing stock software, that would make sense.
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I feel like it's sort of a galaxy nexus "lite", which sounds intriguing to me. I'd definitely like to spend a little time with a Samsung device before upgrading to the nexus later on, I'm looking forward to it!
Thank you, that is good to know as I don't plan on running anything but AOSP roms anyway. It's just an issue I've seen brought up in multiple reviews, but since they're reviewing stock software, that would make sense.
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Yes. Jt1134 "changed permissions" for the gps. aosp gps locks in seconds while indoors now..
Can't believe Samsung fails so bad at coding. But hey they keep making bleeding edge phones, and jt1134 keeps buying Samsung. Then Samsung is the only phones I'll be using. Thanks jt
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Great bargain phone
I agree that Jt1134 is doing great thing with this phone, we can't lose with the potential growth that he has already made available.
Don
PS my daughter (almost 16) is ready for ICS and just need the camera to work for it to be perfect, otherwise how can a teenager live without a camera?)
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I agree that Jt1134 is doing great thing with this phone, we can't lose with the potential growth that he has already made available.
Don
PS my daughter (almost 16) is ready for ICS and just need the camera to work for it to be perfect, otherwise how can a teenager live without a camera?)
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The camera has been working on Jt's ICS for awhile now.
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Yes. Jt1134 "changed permissions" for the gps. aosp gps locks in seconds while indoors now..
Can't believe Samsung fails so bad at coding. But hey they keep making bleeding edge phones, and jt1134 keeps buying Samsung. Then Samsung is the only phones I'll be using. Thanks jt
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My GPS concerns were definitely put to rest after flashing an AOSP rom (MIUI in my case), I'm getting just as good, if not better, GPS performance as I was with my previous device. There are a couple lingering issues: data either going out entirely or being unusably slow, phantom soft button presses, and non-functional BLN.
But all in all, I like this device way more than the incredible, the amount of control you have with voodoo sound/color & voltage control paired with glitch is amazing. And I haven't even gotten around to trying ICS yet!
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My GPS concerns were definitely put to rest after flashing an AOSP rom (MIUI in my case), I'm getting just as good, if not better, GPS performance as I was with my previous device. There are a couple lingering issues: data either going out entirely or being unusably slow, phantom soft button presses, and non-functional BLN.
But all in all, I like this device way more than the incredible, the amount of control you have with voodoo sound/color & voltage control paired with glitch is amazing. And I haven't even gotten around to trying ICS yet!
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Phantom button presses are the norm for this device, I think everyone gets them for the most part. As far as slow data, are you refering to how slow the theme browser is on MIUI or just in general. I know the theme browser is painfully slow but i never had issue with anything else. What modem are you using? On AOSP Roms EC09 seems to be a fan favorite so to speak and has always been the best for me. Also if data drops out toggle airplane mode on then off, should bring it back.
For BLN do you have BLN Control or Blinky installed from the market? It will not work without one of those installed. Blinky is free but I think BLN Control (the paid version) is well worth it since it has more options to fiddle with.
Hope this helps lol
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."