Nothing has changed on the phone in a week or two (last change was when prYde theme updated), but suddenly today it is running rather warm and rolling through its battery.
I do not see anything strange in behavior, just getting rather warm, and all of a sudden. I actually noticed it was warming my leg in my pocket. Had a look at the phone - screen was not on, but it was heating.
Shut down, pulled the battery out for a few minutes, powered back on, still doing it.
And generally I use ~4% of batt/hr. As it sits, this morning, I unplugged the phone at 06:45 - now at 08:15 I am sitting at 72%. Something is amiss.
Any suggestions or comparable experiences out there? I am at a loss, since nothing has changed...
TIA.
Very interesting. I am running stock 2.2, but rooted. I noticed yesterday my phone was also running stupid hot. The temp app listed it as 114 deg. F. while I had wifi and GPS enabled. The screen was so hot, I could not keep my finger on it.
I have read other forum threads about high temperatures and they recommend replacing the phone. Not sure I want to go that route yet.
When you think about it, 114 deg. F. is not safe.
- Tim
In another thread I dubbed this the "hot pocket" issue. I have the same problem. I've had it with community ROM 1.x and evil fascinate 3.51 and even a fresh (data wiped) 3.6. I'd love to know what is happening, as I can no longer count on my phone to survive a day, battery wise, even when it is just sitting in my pocket.
Here are the apps I have had installed EVERY time the issue has happened, so we have a beginning list to work from:
ADW Launcher
Hacked Pandora
News and weather
Titanium backup
Tune-in radio
Catch notes
AdFree
Amazon AppStore
Flashlight
GroupMe
Miren Browser
Pulse (news)
ShapeWriter keyboard
Tapatalk Pro
Wireless Tether
Seeing as the issue seems rom/kernel independent, it may be one of our apps.
What apps are you guys running?
Any in common with my list?
Sent from my SCH-I500
are you guys running an undervolted kernel?
I have the same issue sometimes... trying to troubleshoot it as well while I wait on CM7
I have plenty of apps (meaning it will be a bear to list them all, but I am going there at the end of this post) - TiBa would be the only one listed thus far that we have in common...
Something that I opted to try this morning after I posted the question (and I apologize - I realized as I got on the highway this morning, that I had not listed any of my setup - that info will be at the end of this post...) was to swing back home and swap batteries.
To be clear, I keep 2 batteries - one charges in a Samsung stand/charger, the other in the phone. I often switch them when one is getting low as I always have a full one standing by...
I had rebooted teh phone a few times this morning and I was unable to clear the hot pocket (I love the name!), so I figured what the hell... Swing through the house, shut the phone down gracefully (long press power, choose Power Off, not just a hard batt pull...) swapped batteries, powered on and hit the road.
15 minutes later I was in traffic and thought I would have a look - I was 100% back to normal operation. Temps felt normal, battery was chillin at 99% - and it has been in great shape all day.
I want to switch batteries again - as soon as this one gets low, I will do so and report back - very curious if the Hot Pocket will return with the other battery. Honestly, I will be thrilled if it does - cause that is an EASY fix - cheap too...
For the sake of prosperity and ease for others, should the battery prove to be part of the problem, this is what I use:
http://www.google.com/search?aq=1&o...gc.r_pw.&fp=71d5c48b7cefe72f&biw=1151&bih=627
Fingers are crossed...
My current setup:
OTB 1.5 - max state enabled is 1200, no voltage settings altered. (1200, 1000, 800, 600, 400, 200 are all states in use)
KangBang 1.3 (Comm Rom 1.3)
ED01 modem
And to my apps list:
all installed (this could be embarrassing, I am a geek...):
3G Mobile Hotspot (never used)
Abduction
Abduction 2
Ad Free
Alarm Clock Plus
Alchemy
aLogcat
Angry Birds
Angry Birds Seasons
Angry Birds Rio
Apps Organizer
Amazon AppStore
Audiogalaxy (is AWESOME)
Audio Manager Pro
B Folders
Barcode Scanner
Beautiful Widgets
Blade Buddy
Blast Monkey (LAME)
Browser
Calculator
Camera
Clock
Clock
Contacts
CPU Spy
Docs (Google)
Droidiris (cool, but rarely have use for it - cooliris for the phone)
Dropbox
Google Earth
E-Mail
Epicurious
Facebook
Flickr Free
Fruit Slice
Gallery
Gmail
Goggles
Google Search
Google Sky Map
GPS Aids (have tried everything, I am glad I have a Garmin - my GPS simply rarely works - have followed all guides and suggestions, so I leave GPS off always)
HBO Go
LastPass
Latitude
Lightning Bug (if you travel, this is great to get to sleep)
LinkedIn (brand new this weekend - hmmm...)
Lookout
MagicMarker - RARELY opened, but it keeps kids busy
Maps
Market
Messaging
Moon 3D
Movela Netflix Que Manager
Music
Music
My Verizon Mobile
Navigation
News and Weather
Ninjump
Pandora (stock)
Paradise Island - LAME, but oddly addictive game
PayPal
People of Walmart
Phone
Photobucket
Places
PostSecret
Pure Calendar Widget
Pure Grid Calendar Widget
Quadrant (I know... useless, but for some reason I find it entertaining)
reddit is fun
Root Explorer
Settings (duh - I am just going down the App Drawer here...)
Smart Measure
SMS Backup+ (awesome if you flash and wipe and care about what text messages you have)
Spare Parts+
Speed Test
Speed 3D Free
Stupid Zombies
Superuser
Talk (Google)
Tapatalk (of course)
Task Manager
Tech Buzz
Terminal Emulator
Tesla LED
Texts From Last Night
Think Free Office (have never opened)
Titanium Backup
TweetCaster Premium
Twitter (never used)
Video Player
Voice (Google)
Voice Recorder (have never opened)
Voice Search
Voltage Control (settings described above)
Voodoo Control
Weather Widgets
WifiWidget
x Construction
XDA Premium (of course)
You Tube
And that is it.... Sorry if this is too much detail for anyone.
And I am down to 36%, so in a few hours, I'll swap batteries and report if the Hot Pocket returns...
Just tested and the temperature hit 109.4 deg. F.
Screen shot attached.
- Tim
dnoyeb said:
are you guys running an undervolted kernel?
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I've tried pretty much every kernel, including stock that has been released. This issue has been happening to me ever since 2.2 came out.
It has mostly happened simultaneously as a SoD (sleep of death), but not always. Sometimes it'll just get hot and I'll turn on the screen and nothing will be happening.
I should also note, I've been running ADW Launcher on every ROM, so that (hopefully not!) may be the connection. What launcher are you running when it happens?
M00NEY said:
Ad Free
Amazon AppStore
Barcode Scanner
News and Weather
Pandora (stock)
Speed Test
Tapatalk (of course)
Titanium Backup
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These are the apps we have in common which aren't just the standard apps. I have also excluded a few which don't have services running all the time, since I've had no apps running beyond ADW launcher and had hotpocket and SoD issues, which stands to reason, it is caused by either A: a common kernel flaw, B: a commonly shared, yet broken, 2.2 custom ROM file, or C: an app which has a service that always runs. I'm leaning towards C, but the other two can't be tested until we disprove C, and B can't be tested until we rule out both A and C. ...I feel like I'm writing a biology experiment
Also, what launcher are you running, stock?
Next step, I guess, is to uninstall all of those apps in common and see if the HP returns, and if not, install each of those apps one by one until it does.. ..Sometimes I hate the scientific method.
I use LP+ - and oddly, I have never, not one time had the SoD.
I haven't recreated the hot pocket since this morning, but I also have not swapped the other battery back in. I can uninstall most of those apps with little to no impact on my life, but Titanium Backup - god it would suck for me if that were the offender.
Ad Free - I am not sure we need any longer. I think we get host files with roms a lot of the time.
I'll miss Tapatalk for a few days, but the rest are a non-issue - I can remove those if it happens again. If it doesn't, I'm not sure removing them would help learn anything...
yeah i've had similar issues as well, mine were all of comm rom 1.3 running comavolt kernel and I use ADW launcher
haven't had it happen since i updated to evil 3.6
one common thing that i thought i had noticed was it seemed to happen when i was in a location that had really crappy service, like it was stuck on searching for a signal or something
not sure if that actually had anything to do with it, i do have some of the apps that you guys do
ADW
pandora
xda
amazon app store
facebook
etc
TiBu was recently updated - could it be the "hot pocket" app?
Another Fascinating post by my XDA app...
I've had this issue as well and I'm running dark revenge and one of jts earlier 2.2 kernels. Every time has been in an area with poor reception where the phone switches back and forth between 3g and 1x.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA App
MIUI V5 with PB/J uv -100
Also Overheating.
I find the low signal to be very intriguing.
I have been unable to re-create the hot pocket - swapped batteries last night and no issue since.
But when it did happen to me, I too was in a low signal area. I never get more than 1 bar 3G or 2 bars 1X at teh tech bench in my office... that is where I had my issues, and back there I can watch it switch - 1X, 3G, 1X, 3G without moving myself or the phone. I know that others are moving and affecting the signals bouncing around in that cinder-block building, but still...
This could be something.
I live in a black hole of sorts and never get good signal. Although I have had hot pocket even while shopping, and I know there is full signal in the stores I frequent.
I also have had the SoD issue, so it may be an overlapping hot pocket result of the SoD, not because of the hot pocket on it's own.
Bah, this phone has made me respect the stability of feature phones. My last phone (HTC 8125, WM5) lasts for a week on a charge.. I miss that battery life.. I just don't miss the brick size of it.
i really think it has to do with the poor signal, thats the only time that it has happened to me, but i don't know what the solution is
I ran across this today, which caused a SoD issue as well as Hot Pocket. Linking the thread instead of pasting, seeing as it may be unrelated:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1107529
Me too. I think it's the new updated Voltage Control.
I'm also having SOD and heating issues no matter which kernel/ROM I run, even with stock voltage. I too am running Miren.
i'm not running miren and i don't use voltage control and i've still had the issue
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Hi guys,
Have had my Hero just over a month now and love the thing to bits...
The one thing (battery life aside) that pees me off though is that the phone can be slow at times...
It seems to stem from apps either opening themselves and running in the background, or not closing properly when I select to close them.
I seem to spend half my time using the phone in TaskKiller getting rid of everything that shouldn't be running before I can do anything.
Has anyone got any smart ideas on how I can improve the problems above?
I've also noticed when I switch the phone off and back on a) it improves things slightly, but b) it also runs lots of things that I don't need open so is there a way to stop things running on start up?
Thanks for the help guys.
To show you what I mean, I just restarted the phone and killed everything except:
WaveSecure Beta
com.google.android.apps.mapssomething that goes off the screen) - can't kill this
HTC Sense
Touch Input
com.htc.provider
Go back to it 10 minutes later and I also have the following open:
Settings
vizBattery
Wi-Fi Status
Google Mail
Thats without me touching it at all.... if I had also used the Twitter app, Facebook, messaging etc then they would all still be open, the browser and music player would probably be there too.
It's normal fo it to start some apps on its own, for example peep (htc's twitter program) the music player (only if you have a widget on one of the homescreens)
same goes for calander etc etc google mail is push so it has to be opened to recieve messaged realtime.
Things like batterystatus thingy's often drain your battery and sometimes slow down your device I suggest removing that.
Also I don't know about wifi status but can imagine that draining battery to since
I don't think that will be running without your wifi being on. When continuosly searching for networks your device also will slow down, and drain the battery
My english isn't perfect so I hope you understand what I'm saying.
edit: do you use the official t-mobile rom or a custom? Don't know if htc released the last update for t-mob devices. That update really improved almost everything
so if you don't have that it's ''normal'' for the device to lag.
Some apps register themselves to start automatically. Obviously Gmail needs to run if you're syncing a Gmail account.
There's at least one app (paid) that can override this - I believe it is called Startup Auditor.
However, for the most part, it doesn't really matter since many of the apps that appear to be "running" will not be consuming any CPU time (and by extension battery life) unless they are designed to run in the background.
In addition, as Stafflover has already said, I'd also suggest you try removing vizBattery - whilst I've no specific experience with this app, I've heard that many battery status widgets drain the battery significantly.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
There's at least one app (paid) that can override this - I believe it is called Startup Auditor.
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AutoStarts does the same job, also paid. using it for weeks, works great.
programs starting up
gk141054 said:
Hi guys,
Have had my Hero just over a month now and love the thing to bits...
The one thing (battery life aside) that pees me off though is that the phone can be slow at times...
It seems to stem from apps either opening themselves and running in the background, or not closing properly when I select to close them.
I seem to spend half my time using the phone in TaskKiller getting rid of everything that shouldn't be running before I can do anything.
Has anyone got any smart ideas on how I can improve the problems above?
I've also noticed when I switch the phone off and back on a) it improves things slightly, but b) it also runs lots of things that I don't need open so is there a way to stop things running on start up?
Thanks for the help guys.
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Hey Pal! I had the same problem then I got into a bit of app development and understood. Some service need to be "broadcasting" and some other to be "listening". Best you can do is sometimes tell them how often to "wake up and check". But if you think about it, a program MUST be checking on a few things, at least sometimes, to give you the "android experience". Also, no matter how much you care about that number you see in the "free ram" widget (assunming you use taskiller with the widget), it is not very important until it REALLY does slow your phone down. Some apps are worse than others at clogging up or draining your battery: try them, weigh how useful they really are for you and then decide what to keep (running) Ciao!
I am completely new at this, I read that some say the battery drains too quickly over night while in sleep mode (running the vegan 5.1 rom), even when wifi, sync, etc. were shut off. Has anyone else experienced this? How is this compared with iPad? Thanks!
I'm too a bit concern about this issue. Does this problem occur on Vegan ROM only or other ROMs?
What about standard ROM?
Why not just plug it in overnight? Seems easy enough...
Well, it's all about convenience. I just don't want to remember to keep thingy plugged in overnight, every night...
With average usage about couple hours per day - single charge should lasts for 5 days.
Vlad_z said:
Well, it's all about convenience. I just don't want to remember to keep thingy plugged in overnight, every night...
With average usage about couple hours per day - single charge should lasts for 5 days.
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Understood...
I had to retrain myself when I got my HTC Incredible. I keep a charger at work, home and in both vehicles so I always have power available when I need it. Once I rooted, installed Hydra Kernel and got rid of the bloatware my battery uptime was significantly improved.
I suppose the bloatware on the stock ROM would cause some battery drain that would be helped by a custom ROM or at least removing the bloatware that you do not need.
Yup, that's the question. Which ROM has least amount of bloatware...
bcampbe7 said:
Once I rooted, installed Hydra Kernel and got rid of the bloatware my battery uptime was significantly improved.
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Whats the hydra kernel?
Depends on what you consider bloatware
VEGAn is pretty clean if you ask me, but I did stream line it a bit for battery life.
System app remover is awesome. No more using terminal to pull apks manually.
I Yank out the tts (text to speech) stuff
I pull streetview and gmaps (I can get directions from gmaps online if I need them)
I pull email and Gmail (the galaxy tab email port runs my Hotmail and Gmail from one app and I can tell it to never check unless I press the check button)
I pull the news and weather app (I can control update regularity with beautiful Widgets to sync once an hour as apposed to once a min with stock)
I gut out the stock browser and launcher after replacing them with dolphin HD and launcher pro.
There are more but since I already pulled them I can't exactly check
I get amazing battery life this way. If I shut it down when I'm done with it I can make it last all week on one charge at about 3-4 hours of moderate use a day.
I can use it all day heavily and put it to sleep at night and still wake up with 30+% battery.
Looks like gTab never goes truly asleep, just turned screen off. Some apps continue to work.
Thank you, I will give the systemapp remover a try.
This is where the Ipad and the Gpad are totally different. I can charge the ipad to 100% and wifi wll be turned on and I can turn it on a week later and the battery will be at 99%. The gpad with wifi turned off will be down to nothing in just a couple of days. Like someone said the thing is never off. I hate having to keep it plugged in all the time.
dougdelong said:
This is where the Ipad and the Gpad are totally different. I can charge the ipad to 100% and wifi wll be turned on and I can turn it on a week later and the battery will be at 99%. The gpad with wifi turned off will be down to nothing in just a couple of days. Like someone said the thing is never off. I hate having to keep it plugged in all the time.
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Under settings / about look at battery usage and you should be able to see what is using your battery.
I used system app remover to take out all my reduntant apps (launcher, browser, music player, ect) and set my wifi to turn off when the screen turns off and now my gtab just sips the battery.
I went to bed with it at 41% last night and checked it this morning as I was about to leave for work (8 hours later) and the battery was at 35%! Before I was losing almost 20% a night so this is a HUGE difference!
I'm going to try to optimize a little more when I get home. The only app running that I dont really need is the Amazon Market so I may get rid of that and see if that helps any. My goal is to get it to .5% battery drain per hour.
turnedmyworld said:
I used system app remover to take out all my reduntant apps (launcher, browser, music player, ect) and set my wifi to turn off when the screen turns off and now my gtab just sips the battery.
I went to bed with it at 41% last night and checked it this morning as I was about to leave for work (8 hours later) and the battery was at 35%! Before I was losing almost 20% a night so this is a HUGE difference!
I'm going to try to optimize a little more when I get home. The only app running that I dont really need is the Amazon Market so I may get rid of that and see if that helps any. My goal is to get it to .5% battery drain per hour.
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The wifi settings took a while for me to find so if anyone wants to know hit menu while in wifi connections & settings and hit advanced.
.5% is a good goal. Still tinkering myself and have it arround .7% but I know .5% is not out of reach.
Mantara said:
The wifi settings took a while for me to find so if anyone wants to know hit menu while in wifi connections & settings and hit advanced.
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I use a widget called "Power Widget", which provides a one button on/off for many settings including wifi. This is the free version: https://market.android.com/details?id=at.abraxas.powerwidget.free&feature=search_result
Mantara said:
The wifi settings took a while for me to find so if anyone wants to know hit menu while in wifi connections & settings and hit advanced.
.5% is a good goal. Still tinkering myself and have it arround .7% but I know .5% is not out of reach.
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Setting the wifi to turn off with the screen is a HUGE power saver. When my gtab was draining a lot of battery I looked up the battery usage statistics and the wifi was using almost as much as the system idle!
I think right now I'm hovering at about .8% battery drain. I might turn off my RSS widget since I mainly use Pulse as my news source now. .5% here I come!
Well, I set WiFi policy to Off when screen is off and use Task Killer to shutdown every running process before putting tablet asleep and still battery loosing charge from 91% down to 77% in about 10 hours.
So, my numbers are about 1.4% per hour when gtab in "sleep" mode.
I check WiFi router and can see that gTab does switch WiFi off...
Question about that system app remover. How it removes redundant apps (say like stock email, music player, google search) from read-only system partition?
I thought that the only way to remove them is to rebuild and then re-flash ROM without those apps.
That's why apps like "Advanced Task Killer" etc. only kill processes from memory, but then Android re-launch them again.
I understand, that for phone not to fall deep into sleep is a feature, but for a tablet it's just a waste...
Vlad_z said:
Question about that system app remover. How it removes redundant apps (say like stock email, music player, google search) from read-only system partition?
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I installed "SystemApp Remover". It lists the apps in 2 categories "Regular Apps" and "System Apps". Regular apps are the ones you can remove normally without this app; the ones under "System Apps" are the build-in ones that you can not remove using the usual method. Once you select "System Apps", choose "Assist" in settings, and the app will highlight the system apps in 3 colors - green, yellow, red. Green=ok to remove; yellow=maybe ok to remove; red=removal not recommended.
I suggest you know what you're removing even for the green ones. The name of the app usually tells or just Google it. You can also back it up in settings before the removal.
I have removed some, not enough to test for results yet, but I've seen a few positive feedback from others. Just be careful while doing it, that's all.
Interesting, what is the most "power hungry" or better say - "refusing go to sleep" application?
I understand, this tests might be tedious to do. I think that the best candidates are those who are restarted on its own after Task Killer killed them..
Vlad_z said:
Interesting, what is the most "power hungry" or better say - "refusing go to sleep" application?
I understand, this tests might be tedious to do. I think that the best candidates are those who are restarted on its own after Task Killer killed them..
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Try "SystemPanel", it has a function that monitors which app uses the battery the most. According to its description, the monitor function uses about 1 minute of battery if it runs for a full day. And, the monitor function can be turned off and nothing else would run in the background from SystemPanel. There is a Free version as well.
In many cases, people who have battery drain issues have a tendency to end up being found to be using a known battery draining app or configuration. To help these people, I'm going to try to start a list here. I will, in the case of known rogue apps, include the reporting date so people can try updates to see if drain is fixed. (For example, Facebook is rarely a culprit any more, but it was the #1 most common battery eater in 2010.) The primary focus here will be things that shouldn't drain your battery but do.
Firmware bugs:
The UCKK6 OTA update contains a number of issues with wifi and bluetooth. Among these is that an oddball feature of our Wifi/Bluetooth chipset goes nuts and wakes up the phone once per second intermittently. Rebooting temporarily fixes it, turning off wifi temporarily fixes it, only permanent fix is to ditch UCKK6. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1409513 for more details - Appears as a variant of the Android OS "bug" - this is the only one that is actually 100% a firmware bug. International XWKK5 is also affected.
LAN Environment (WiFi):
Broadcast LAN traffic can wake your wifi chip often. This also manifests as the Android OS "bug", but it's a small problem with the firmware base (XXKI3 and UCKK6 are known to be affected) and mostly a network problem. Examples I've seen so far include:
Windows Client Backup
UPnP (DLNA) SSDP
Dropbox Lan Sync Discovery Protocol
Buggy piece-of-**** routers that spam lots of ARP requests continuously - The 2Wire routers that are required for UVerse access apparently fit in this category.
You are more likely to have the above issue on some firmware bases than others. For example, XXKI3 disables all of the chip's packet filters, making it vulnerable to this sort of thing. UCKH7 and XWKL1 don't, leading to significantly improved life on "dirty" networks. UCKK6 almost surely also has the same problem.
Configuration issues:
Hotmail calendar sync
Misconfigured Microsoft Exchange servers - 1) is a special case of this. At least one person has reported that calendar sync to a non-Hotmail account was problematic for them, but email sync was OK
A bad Exchange configuration - the client apparently goes nuts if it can't contact the server
BLN - On Galaxy S II devices, there is no stable BLN implementation that does not hold a wakelock when a notification is active. This means that an active BLN notification will drain about 4-5%/hour. I say this in bold letters in my kernel thread, but somehow people still don't realize it...
Rogue apps:
Words with Friends (October 2011)
Skype (October 2011) - Particularly insidious, as it does not directly hold a wakelock. However, it causes lots of background network activity, and this activity keeps your phone awake. Since most of the time is spent wakelocked in the network stack, Skype drain shows as Android OS.
Any IM app that works similarly to Skype is likely to have the same issues.
AP Mobile Widget on stock AT&T ROMs - this one also blows through your data allotment quickly if you don't have unlimited data
AT&T Smart WiFi can sometimes hold excessive wakelocks - this is why AT&T bloat is bad for you.
The Obvious:
3D or animation/action-intensive games
The Rare:
Apps that occasionally go nuts, but not frequently
Facebook - I've had it wakelock me once, and also, Facebook chat may have triggered my first obvious "AOS bug" episode once - so far, it's been responsible for drain once this month
StartingAlertService - some sort of Calendar notification related bug
The False Blame:
GPS Status and Toolbox - may appear to be high-drain but is actually not draining - this is an Android battery reporting bug - see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23106668&postcount=491 for more details. Thank you for the info and the great app rhornig.
If you're having battery drain issues, I suggest the following:
Install BetterBatteryStats. The XDA edition from the author's thread on these forums is free. (Market version is paid.)
Also, having CPUSpy to see deep sleep percentages is VERY useful
BBS now shows kernel wakelocks - make sure to check these. If you have an older version that doesn't show kernel wakelocks, use the instructions below.
Get ADB up and running (Google it, and if you're on Windows, Googling Droid Explorer may help)
Using ADB, do the following:
Code:
adb shell cat /proc/wakelocks > wakelocks.txt
adb shell dmesg > dmesg.txt
Zip em' up and post em' here for analysis.
Edit: Specifically, to get a good baseline measurement of idle drain - make sure to have CPUSpy installed for this procedure:
Charge phone to full
Reboot
Reset timers in CPUSpy, otherwise the percentages and bars will be wacky
Let the phone sit for a while - Overnight is best. Then provide data:
Deep sleep percentage
Time the phone was sitting
Percentage battery drained
I don't need screenshots of the above, just the numbers. Screenshots use up massive amounts of thread space
Grab /proc/wakelocks as mentioned above and post it, OR use BetterBatteryStats 1.4 or above to pull kernel wakelocks.
Note: If you're at or below 1%/hour idle drain, not much point of posting your wakelocks.
If you have high wlan_wake, wlan_rx_wake, or svnet-dormancy wakelock times, then you have an app eating data or one of the wifi wakeup bugs described above. Install Shark for Root - https://market.android.com/details?id=lv.n3o.shark
Start it, and change parameters from:
Code:
-vv -s 0
to
Code:
-vv -s 68
This tells it to only capture the first 68 bytes of each packet, which is all we need for this purpose. This provides two benefits: A smaller capture, and privacy for you. (It captures packet headers but not contents)
Then start a capture and let it sit for a bit.
Note that your drain will be higher during the capture than normal - we're collecting data here, not directly nuking the drain.
After a while where you are positive you are encountering drain, stop Shark and then pull the .pcap file - load it in Wireshark on your PC or post it here. If you post it here, MAKE SURE you have a truncated capture as instructed above!
Thank you sir. Will do in a few.
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Words with friends is an insane battery drainer. I had a screen on time of 4 hours and 15 minutes with 35% battery use and Words with friends had a 45 min cpu usage and was 26% of the battery drain...There is no way that should be so close to the screen usage. CRAZY.
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Words with friends is an insane battery drainer. I had a screen on time of 4 hours and 15 minutes with 35% battery use and Words with friends had a 45 min cpu usage and was 26% of the battery drain...There is no way that should be so close to the screen usage. CRAZY.
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I spent a while testing that app before finding out it is a phone-wide issue. Emailed the dev today but we'll see how it goes. Not a small dev anymore.
Yea I hope they fix it...I love playing it but it kills my battery. If that app didnt run I may have like 5 hours of screen time on a single charge if not more. I looked at many of the reviews of it and many of them mention the battery killing it does.
Just discovered an interesting feature built in to the stock rom. Go to task manager > storage and you'll see it©.
The tower defense game Sentinel 3 will put a HEAVY drain on your battery.
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Just discovered an interesting feature built in to the stock rom. Go to task manager > storage and you'll see it©.
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Huh? What happens?
Apparently an app I come to love and use on all my devices is Battery Monitor Widget. According to to someone's post from the BBS thread and due to my own investigation. BMW will cause a lot of wake time up to 970 awakes over a 12 HR period. That is a lot time consuming battery and resources.
rebooted my phone reset cpu spy and going to leave it not charging and I will abd into the phone and get the demesg and other file and post here.. been losing 30% over night on about 8 hours which I know is way off... no skype I have wifi data sync and gps on as well as syncing a google account twitter tango and facebook.... which I understand might be alot but shouldn't this phone be able to handle all that? I also live in a basement with poor service but right next to the router... getting a microcell on Friday which I hope helps. My AOS is around 65% in battery status and suspend and events/0 are definitely running more than one minute every 10 hours, more like 20 minutes at least every charge, and my phone is lasting 11 hours give or take with minimal to no use
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rebooted my phone reset cpu spy and going to leave it not charging and I will abd into the phone and get the demesg and other file and post here.. been losing 30% over night on about 8 hours which I know is way off... no skype I have wifi data sync and gps on as well as syncing a google account twitter tango and facebook.... which I understand might be alot but shouldn't this phone be able to handle all that? I also live in a basement with poor service but right next to the router... getting a microcell on Friday which I hope helps. My AOS is around 65% in battery status and suspend and events/0 are definitely running more than one minute every 10 hours, more like 20 minutes at least every charge, and my phone is lasting 11 hours give or take with minimal to no use
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Suspend and events/0 at 1 minute every 10h aren't too bad. AOS at 65 is a bit high.
Unless one of the above apps you use is implemented badly, your phone should be able to handle the above. I have Google and Facebook and get great drain. I haven't heard reports of Twitter causing problems.
Tango is an unknown - it's in a similar class to Skype so could be driving excessive idle network traffic.
To the person who posted that a game drained their battery - well, that should be pretty obvious. I guess I'll add it to the first post later, but I'm primarily focusing on the "non-obvious" stuff - things that SHOULDN'T drain your battery but do.
Tango is all good had it installed on my phone forever my batt life is amazing. It doesnt require a sign in. Look out for anything that make you sign in besides google as far as im concerned
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In many cases, people who have battery drain issues have a tendency to end up being found to be using a known battery draining app or configuration. To help these people, I'm going to try to start a list here. I will, in the case of known rogue apps, include the reporting date so people can try updates to see if drain is fixed. (For example, Facebook is rarely a culprit any more, but it was the #1 most common battery eater in 2010.) The primary focus here will be things that shouldn't drain your battery but do.
Configuration issues:
Hotmail calendar sync
Misconfigured Microsoft Exchange servers - 1) is a special case of this. At least one person has reported that calendar sync to a non-Hotmail account was problematic for them, but email sync was OK
Rogue apps:
Words with Friends (October 2011)
Skype (October 2011) - Particularly insidious, as it does not directly hold a wakelock. However, it causes lots of background network activity, and this activity keeps your phone awake. Since most of the time is spent wakelocked in the network stack, Skype drain shows as Android OS.
Any IM app that works similarly to Skype is likely to have the same issues.
The Obvious:
3D or animation/action-intensive games
If you're having battery drain issues, I suggest the following:
Install BetterBatteryStats. The XDA edition from the author's thread on these forums is free. (Market version is paid.)
If BBS doesn't show any significant wakelocks, and no apps show as hogs in Settings->About Phone->Battery, do the following:
Get ADB up and running (Google it, and if you're on Windows, Googling Droid Explorer may help)
Using ADB, do the following:
Code:
adb shell cat /proc/wakelocks > wakelocks.txt
adb shell dmesg > dmesg.txt
Zip em' up and post em' here for analysis.
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Can you please take a look at this one to see if there is anything out of order?
Much appreciated!
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Suspend and events/0 at 1 minute every 10h aren't too bad. AOS at 65 is a bit high.
Unless one of the above apps you use is implemented badly, your phone should be able to handle the above. I have Google and Facebook and get great drain. I haven't heard reports of Twitter causing problems.
Tango is an unknown - it's in a similar class to Skype so could be driving excessive idle network traffic.
To the person who posted that a game drained their battery - well, that should be pretty obvious. I guess I'll add it to the first post later, but I'm primarily focusing on the "non-obvious" stuff - things that SHOULDN'T drain your battery but do.
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what I meant to say about the suspend and events/0 is that i wish i was getting a minute every 10h, it is more like 20minutes.. I just finished my over night test, I put the phone down at 11:09 with 69% battery left, waking up just now with 30% at 8:16, did not touch the phone once.. should have been asleep the whole time.. also my suspend is at 31minutes (BBS) and my events/0 is at 30minute (BBS), i also reset my cpu spy. deep sleep 5:49 hours, 200mhz 1:29 hours and 800mhz 1:21 hours (14%)
and lastly, here is my dmesg and wakelocks... so yea this looks pretty horrible to me!
I actually went to the at&t store to exchange this phone yesterday cause I am convinced something is wrong with it, no one really seems to be getting the severe drainahe and stats that i am getting, so I assumed it has to be the phone, well its 2 weeks old and the guy wouldnt take it cause he needed proof there is a battery problem.. Also I went back to stock yesterday before i was going to exchange my phone and the issue seemed to be happening aswell no matter where I was and what apps were installed, hoping these files will figure something out! thanks for your help!
There's alot of careless and sloppy developers out there that has no concern on users battery. Android support Push notification since froyo and it's only implemented in a few apps like tango. Why? Go to the appstore the same exact IM and video chat apps uses push notification, but not on the android version. Instead you have to log in all day clogging your Ram and battery. As of now the only IM client I use it's Google Talk screw Skype oovoo ect or any other apps that has no push. BTW Facebook it's another mess, soon Ill be deleting and using the browser.
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what I meant to say about the suspend and events/0 is that i wish i was getting a minute every 10h, it is more like 20minutes.. I just finished my over night test, I put the phone down at 11:09 with 69% battery left, waking up just now with 30% at 8:16, did not touch the phone once.. should have been asleep the whole time.. also my suspend is at 31minutes (BBS) and my events/0 is at 30minute (BBS), i also reset my cpu spy. deep sleep 5:49 hours, 200mhz 1:29 hours and 800mhz 1:21 hours (14%)
and lastly, here is my dmesg and wakelocks... so yea this looks pretty horrible to me!
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It seems to be the same issue as everybody else is having, getting excessive network traffic waking up the phone. Either you do a network capture of the packets and identify it by the highest common port which comes in (complicated), or you turn off each service off one by one. In the last case I'd start with the network location service (Kill it with Titanium) as that was known to be a *****.
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It seems to be the same issue as everybody else is having, getting excessive network traffic waking up the phone. Either you do a network capture of the packets and identify it by the highest common port which comes in (complicated), or you turn off each service off one by one. In the last case I'd start with the network location service (Kill it with Titanium) as that was known to be a *****.
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so you think I should freeze each app one by one and let chill for an hour and see if there is drainage or not? is ot just processes or apps? cause I would never know to do something about network service unless u said something.. BTW I did, and i still lost 4% battery in an hour of idle.. so thats not it.. what about using this the other way you were talking about
http://www.vbsteven.be/blog/android-debugging-inspectin-network-traffic-with-tcpdump/
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so you think I should freeze each app one by one and let chill for an hour and see if there is drainage or not? is ot just processes or apps? cause I would never know to do something about network service unless u said something.. BTW I did, and i still lost 4% battery in an hour of idle.. so thats not it.. what about using this the other way you were talking about
http://www.vbsteven.be/blog/android-debugging-inspectin-network-traffic-with-tcpdump/
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Exactly. By services I just mean running apps I guess. You can do it as in that guide too, but its hard to later find out which App listens to which port on Android...
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Exactly. By services I just mean running apps I guess. You can do it as in that guide too, but its hard to later find out which App listens to which port on Android...
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ok, so I did try this to an extent, i would disable 4 apps at a time for the most part, only apps, none of the red items like wifi manager and stuff like that (even though i did try that at a different date)
I had no success.. I went back to stock, uninstalled all bloatware, at&t live TV, my account, bar scanner, all that bs, right now I have BBS, Cpu Spy and titanium, only apps that are not stock and are in the list of installed apps. I am still getting this issue!! could it be that I have poor service (though this never affected the iphone this badly) I lose 40% overnight though and it seems odd to me that would be because of low service..
GO.Keyboard and GO Contacts ( especially GO Contacts) was draining my battery at a phenominal pace. GO Contacts was using more battery than the display
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Having been facing horrible battery drainage for a week - the phone left unplugged to overnight was loosing about 70% of battery charge...
In the morning in menu>>settings>>about phone>>battery>>battery use>>battery chart
AWAKE was showing continues blue line throughout the past night... and the fact that I had recently installed the other fifteen apps made the situation even more complicated :-(
Long story short, as result of analyzing battery use chart, System Panel app history tab, as well as uninstalling/installing my programs one by one, the application what was preventing my Amaze from going into SLEEP mode and draining its battery appx 8% per hour - was identified.
It turned out to be the Amazon AppStore - by the way downloaded from the official web site.
So, do not allow this fabulous app to remain in background (unless you do keep your dear amaze consistently plugged in), and after the use always kill it. Now I am treating it as follow menu>>settings>>apps>>manage apps>>Appstore>>"Force stop" followed by "Clear data" ;-)
However! Even after such my treatment it keeps 'working', the relevant chart in System Panel reads that - six/eight times a day the CPU is being loaded by this particular application!
O.K.
There has been one more app found among my operational environment able to prevent entering the SLEEP mode. It is IM+ Pro. This messager can run in two ways - Background mode and Push mode. When left in the Background mode it won't let our device to enter SLEEP, cousing the similar battery drainage as Amazon AppStore does.
O.K.
Merci beaucoup! for reading my post . & I am happy to add, that now my phone battery consumption in the STAND BY is for sure below 1% per hour .. left unplugged till morning the device is loosing no more that 4%, in fact the signal reception quality line is never marked with green color on the overnight chart in 'Battery Use'.
P.S. Worthy to be also mentioned, during my checks and playing around with System Panel, there have been spotted the apps, what if left running in background (with eather status - 'active', 'cashed' or 'service-only') on one side allow the device going into the SLEEP but on the other keep repeatedly loading CPU around 0.5 - 2.0 % each, what in my opinion is already battery consuming.. The spotted apps are: eBay Official App, Text Free, Control Panel, Maps, Startup Manager & HeyWire.
P.P.S. Probably no need in synchronizing emails frequently during night time - such task is pretty much battery consuming too.
I'm using quicksense 2.1.2. Left it on last night at 79% then in the morning, 74%
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Thanks for reporting this, i would have never guessed it because the only task manager i have is the factory htc one. I was wondering why my battery would drain so much, i would unplug it at 100% and a few minutes later it would crawl down to 94%(with the anker battery). I uninstalled it and now lets see how different my battery is.
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..uninstalled it and now lets see how different my battery is.
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Wished to attach couple screenshots, tried Opera, Firefox, UC as well as default one - in vain.
So giving two links to the shots uploaded to Public folder at my Dropbox:
http://db.tt/5FkXuzG7
http://db.tt/qHYcD2sR
But I see the file extensions need to be added - as JPG..
Good post for giving people some great starting points to help solve some of these problems.
One thing to note: I have the Amazon App Store as well, but no battery problems. My device is rooted and, it's likely, that it's not entirely the app's fault that it's draining the battery, but rather something between the app and Sense not playing nicely.
I've had several apps that would either labor the processor or crash when sense was running that run fine now that rooted.
I have been running CyanogenMod 10 Alpha 2 by dragonzkiller for a couple of days now and can say...my phone has never been better! As is expected there were some hiccups, but overall this thing rides smooth! What does everyone else think about it and what has been their experiences?
Here is what I've found so far
Not working:
Facebook
Dolphin Browser
SMS does not show text in field, and notifications do not show.
My workarounds:
Opera browser has so far worked flawlessly.
Friendcaster works fine in place of FB.
Combination of Handcent SMS and SMS popups as workaround to native SMS issue.
Weird things yet to be worked out or around:
File explorers (so far ES and File Expert) randomly will not delete or rename files.
And again, this ROM is great (thank you dragonzkiller!). Too bad providers didn't push for Jelly Bean on these models because I think it works the best so far. Older in the cycle, so I understand. I still have about of week of testing before I praise it any further, but so far I am mega happy. I can say this having tried various other ROMS throughout the year or so I've owned this phone, and of those I am coming from what I consider a rock stable ROM, Liberty3.
Introduction:
I have been using CM10 for a month and a half now. My review is based on the standard of an every day driver. I understand that Dragonzkiller is the only developer for this ROM and basically for DX2 (as far as I know) but I use my phone with the intention of USING it. With this in mind, I've been struggling with the idea of reverting back to the stock OS or some other rom because of some key issues I have with the current alpha release.
Pros:
Status Bar brightness control: Although you have to disable auto brightness, this is the biggest plus for me, mainly because auto brightness never seems to be good enough. Its always slighty too dim or too bright, even with custom brightness levels. The negative of this would be that if you have a passworded lock screen (swype lock screens don't affect this) the status bar is not click able so you can't increase brightness. This is a big issue if your screen is on the lowest brightness and you need to unlock your phone in the sun. This is mostly for taste. I find this feature highly convenient and puts control in my hands. Although automatic brightness works, it doesn't work well enough for me.
Toggle buttons in the notification pull down menu: This is insanely convenient. This coupled with the long pressing option to open the corresponding settings menu is also one of the biggest things keeping me with CM 10
Swypable notifications: You have no idea how convenient this is until you have it. To be able to pick and chose which notifications to dismiss with the swype of a finger.
Screen Shot and restart option in the power menu: I restart and screen shot enough that these options need to be in the power menu or somehow accessible
Everything else ICS and CM10 provides: I really dislike how Ginger Bread looks. It just doesn't have the nice clean feel. CM10 gets it right with the minimalistic look and design while adding features hidden where they should be hidden. Honestly, this is a HUGE plus. I really like the way CM10 looks and feels over almost every other ROM. I haven't found one that I've liked more than CM10.
Cons:
Most apps that use some form of a web view crash: A web view is a little window that renders webpages for you. Apps like Facebook use to use this and they crashed all the time. Exceptions include the stock web browser and most other web browsers. The reason for this crash is that there is a fatal Out Of Memory exception.
Google Now takes way longer to load: Yes, I already said that apps take a while to load but Google Now seems to take 5 seconds MINIMUM up to 10 seconds. I don't know why. I tried disabling the "Say Google to search" feature as well as the cards and that seems to have cut down on the load time but if Google Now is something you really want/need, this is a huge drawback.
Apps take a long time to load: Long is a subjective term so I'm defining it as between 1 second to just initialize to 3-5 seconds on a bad day. I am very sure this is because our phone has very little ram so the OS has to free some space for the new app and this is an intensive process that take that much time. At first, I pushed this off as some issue that doesn't really need attention but when you are trying to add a contact and it takes 5 seconds to load the Phone app, then another five seconds to load the People app, you're going to start being annoyed. Want to take a picture of your contact, add another 5 seconds to load the camera app.
The flashlight button in the notification pull down will crash: It will crash. You tap the button and it crashes. You long press and it crashes. Don't even bother. That's a big enough con for me to give it a mention and put it in the middle of my list. There have been a few times when I've needed a flashlight only to realize I need to actually open an app for it. I think the next best thing is to put the flashlight app in the swype to unlock menu.
Media Player stutters under load: Remember how I told you that app loading is an intensive process? Apparently, the thread priority for the media player process is lower than the app loading process. I say this based on the fact that as I play music from Pandora, if I press back, switch apps, or open a new app, the music from Pandora starts cutting and stuttering almost like a buffer, but not quite. I have not tried this with other music players but I have done it with another youtube player and I get the same problems. I haven't tried this with Google Music though so you may have some luck with that.
System Crashes: Rarely will my phone reboot on me for some strange reason. It has happened to me maybe 5 times in the last month and a half but it has happened. I don't really consider this a con just because it's so rare but it happens.
Google Maps Street View Crashes all the time: I believe this is related to the problem with Google Chrome. I remember reading that our kernel doesn't support certain drawing textures or drawing APIs so any app that tries to use those methods force close without warning.
Here are the apps I run and why:
Facebook Bookmark: I have a bookmark to facebook.com instead of using the facebook app mainly because the app USED to crash very frequently in the alpha one release (it used to use webviews instead of native code). I haven't noticed it crashing on me recently so I may switch back to using the stock Facebook App.
Go SMS: Simply because I like the look and feel of Go SMS better. It's really your choice on this one. I also like the popup notification when I receive messages that Go SMS provides over the one that the stock Messaging app provides.
K9-Mail: The stock E-Mail app crashed very frequently on me in the alpha one release. I could never figure this one out because it would crash even without the web views open. It may be fixed now but I've gotten used to K9-Mail
Stock Browser: Most other browsers clutter the screen (like Opera). I don't run firefox because I tried the beta release and it was very lacking. Google Chrome crashes all the time because of the kernel issue. I really enjoy using the stock browser with the "Quick Control" feature enabled under "Labs" in the stock Browser app. It cleans up the screen really well.
aCalendar: The widget is better. Plain and simple. I use day view for the widget. I use the widget on it's own home screen.
gTasks: Just something to use. I mostly use the widget on it's own home screen full sized
Conclusion:
Although I cannot recommend this ROM as an every day driver, I have to say that it does provide some serious features with some serious drawbacks. It is really up to you in my opinion because even I cannot decide whether it is a good or a bad ROM. The reason why I would flash a ROM is because I want to increase usability and to clean up my cluttered OS. However, minimalistic ROMs don't provide the features that CM10 provide. Those features definitely come in handy at times. Moreover, I like the CM10 lock screen way more but that's just taste. The reason why I haven't discarded CM10 already is because I can probably live with the longer load times for apps and the spontaneous crashes. The crashes are either rare enough to not bother me or predictable enough that I can avoid them.
My recommendation would be to try it out and see if you can live with it. If you can live with it, then you should definitely run it because it is by far the best app around. This is a good rom but not good enough for a solid recommendation. However, it is amazing it is still only on Alpha 2 considering how well it works for an alpha.
By the way, if you're coming form CM7/9, definitely jump to CM10. The decrease in force closes is worth the increase in app load time.
randomKID thanks for the awesome breakdown of the pros and cons you've found in this ROM. You still using it?
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It's been 5 days and it's holding quite well except my batteries drain 3 to 4 times as faster. I don't use 3G so it's disabled throughout the day. I'm coming from Gingerbread 4.3.3.
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It's been 5 days and it's holding quite well except my batteries drain 3 to 4 times as faster. I don't use 3G so it's disabled throughout the day. I'm coming from Gingerbread 4.3.3.
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Well I do love CM10. I was getting some great battery life out of it. Wonder if everyone was/is that uses or used it? I had workarounds for just about every bug but one- the camcorder. I had to have a good working camcorder and the Videocam Illusion app was not reliable enough. Why so necessary? A 6 month old little girl that daddy loves to capture every day So I went to Eclipse but was not at all impressed with the battery usage (ROM was fine otherwise). I have now landed back on CM7 which I test drove some months ago. I will go back to CM10 provided there is an update that speaks to the camcorder issue. If not, I will hang out here for awhile most likely :silly:
You should try Eclipse 1.3 as I net 1.5-2 days of light use (phone calls / sms / fb) and it's blazing fast. I just put 2.3 on a few days ago and it's a very solid ROM but the speed isn't like 1.3 thou
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You should try Eclipse 1.3 as I net 1.5-2 days of light use (phone calls / sms / fb) and it's blazing fast. I just put 2.3 on a few days ago and it's a very solid ROM but the speed isn't like 1.3 thou
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I think I'll give that a try
I have serious battery issues running CM10. My battery NEVER lasts a full day on light/moderate use. When I was on CM7, I used to get a day and a half out of moderate use, so I'm a bit upset at that. I still prefer it to CM7 though, mostly because of the layout and the fact that my WiFi doesn't constantly lose connection. But the constantly-crashing apps and battery life have me ready to move on from the phone altogether. :/
Google Nexus 4, I'm on my way...