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First off I have to say Im a proud member of the best phone produced (till today), Htc Hero. Everything looks and feels and fullfills my needs accordingly, besides one thing. And this one thing bugs me alot.
Why have skype launched this "lite" crap, with no real voip at all? And that on a internett phone... Something is not right at the skype department!
Because of my personal situation Im dependent on skype voip services (the only reason why im not throwing my htc touch cruise away). So heres the request: make my (love)life a bit easier, bite the skype developers in the arse and/or help porting/create a skype client for android that can make full use of voip.
I hope some developers here will take the job and get the well earned fame that will come with it!
ps: I do know that there are some alternatives, google voice is not for europe yet and truphone is crashing at the opening.
sipdroid is true VoIP, SIP-based. It will work with a wide variety of hardware and software IP phones.
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sipdroid is true VoIP, SIP-based. It will work with a wide variety of hardware and software IP phones.
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Hey, from what I can tell this doesnt work with skype, is this the case or am I just being blonde?
Cheers
Dan
I think skype didn't do a full VOIP application otherwise it will literally chew through many bytes of your data plan and thus would be very expensive for the end user on a mobile network - obviously wifi and skype wouldn't be a such a problem.
I am guessing and assuming that "skype lite" works the similar way to iSkoot (Winmo equivalent) where it uses the voice channel (and some jiggery-pokery) to make a call to another skype user - which to my knowledge is how the 3 network is able to offer unlimited skype calls (using iSkoot, not sure about skype lite but if anyone knows, let me know!)
If skype is listening, perhaps an option in "skype lite" application to specify how the voice is carried out (ie via data channel or the voice channel) might be a good idea.
But feel free to correct me on that!
ps, did anyone see the comments made on skype lite on the market place (by Mattman 9-aug-2009) saying that skype lite appears to be a "phishing app scanning for paid skype accounts and should be reported to google and ftc" - is that true?
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Hey, from what I can tell this doesnt work with skype, is this the case or am I just being blonde?
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It doesn't work with skype since skype is a proprietary app that works with nothing else. Though there is a workaround, gizmo5 has a SIP<->skype gateway. Never tried it, though.
tweedie said:
I am guessing and assuming that "skype lite" works the similar way to iSkoot (Winmo equivalent) where it uses the voice channel (and some jiggery-pokery) to make a call to another skype user - which to my knowledge is how the 3 network is able to offer unlimited skype calls (using iSkoot, not sure about skype lite but if anyone knows, let me know!)
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Essentially, when you initiate a call with Skype Lite, what it does is communicate back to Skype servers on the data channel with details of whom you want to contact (Skype username, phone number etc). The Skype servers then set up a link from a local phone number to your required destination, and send this number back to your phone which Skype Lite then dials.
So your phone essentially calls a Skype phone number over the standard voice channels (and usually consuming your inclusive minutes), and this call is routed over the Skype network to your required destination.
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Dave
So your phone essentially calls a Skype phone number over the standard voice channels (and usually consuming your inclusive minutes), and this call is routed over the Skype network to your required destination.
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foxmeister > that is exactly what I am thinking. The "skype lite" software is calling a special number over voice channel and its routed over the skype network to the required destination as you said. I think this is identical to how "iSkoot" works and thus the "three" network users can get free unlimited skype-to-skype calls because it identifies a particular number its calling to be free.
If the "skype lite" and "iSkoot" is calling the same special number, It should in theory be able to get the free unlimited skype-to-skype calls using the "skype lite" application. I guess there is only one way to find out! There does seems to be iSkoot application for android but can't seem to be able to find it on the market place!
http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=343121&pid=1815881&st=0&#entry1815881
Bump that thread
it was a request i made for this same exact thing on the skype forums.
They would be the ones to publish the app.
Skype, iSkoot and three.co.uk
After finally disassembling the code, there is a hidden easter egg on the "about" screen for the iskoot application. If your lucky to have the G1 phone, type in @1905 and it will bring up the advance menu where you can specify to use the three network.
If you're unlucky to have the htc hero (like me!), you have to use the window dos command "adb shell" to connect to the phone, then do "/system/bin/input text @1905" and allow you to enter that key on the about screen.
Its not perfect. But it seems to make a call to the uk three number (+44..882 + +44..874).
Once in the advance menu, put http://mobile.three.co.uk/948 into the url (using keyboard, or use that "input text" command) and save it (I can't remember if I had to tick the "Auto Pilot Mode" on or off, but try with it off first)
It will take a little time to sign in (or even a couple of attempts) you should get your buddy list and able to make a call
By the way, don't have it use the wifi. It seems better to have it sign in via 3g, but I could be wrong. And second, there is an awful lot of http 404 response errors coming back from three network (doesn't seem to effect it), but neverless, its just putting a strain on your phone I would imagine - plus, not sure if those 404 http responses coming back will use up your data allowance. so do some testing first! Its just a little difficult to test properly when all the other apps wants to use you internet data allowance! (is there an app for that?)
Anyway, just letting you know what i have found. if those HTTP 404 is gonna be a problem, I can tweak the code, but probably won't be able to share that apk file as I am not sure where the law stands on that!
Warning: Haven't fully tested it yet, so don't blame/slag me if its starts to eat into your credits!
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After finally disassembling the code, there is a hidden easter egg on the "about" screen for the iskoot application. If your lucky to have the G1 phone, type in @1905 and it will bring up the advance menu where you can specify to use the three network.
If you're unlucky to have the htc hero (like me!), you have to use the window dos command "adb shell" to connect to the phone, then do "/system/bin/input text @1905" and allow you to enter that key on the about screen.
Its not perfect. But it seems to make a call to the uk three number (+44..882 + +44..874).
Once in the advance menu, put http://mobile.three.co.uk/948 into the url (using keyboard, or use that "input text" command) and save it (I can't remember if I had to tick the "Auto Pilot Mode" on or off, but try with it off first)
It will take a little time to sign in (or even a couple of attempts) you should get your buddy list and able to make a call
By the way, don't have it use the wifi. It seems better to have it sign in via 3g, but I could be wrong. And second, there is an awful lot of http 404 response errors coming back from three network (doesn't seem to effect it), but neverless, its just putting a strain on your phone I would imagine - plus, not sure if those 404 http responses coming back will use up your data allowance. so do some testing first! Its just a little difficult to test properly when all the other apps wants to use you internet data allowance! (is there an app for that?)
Anyway, just letting you know what i have found. if those HTTP 404 is gonna be a problem, I can tweak the code, but probably won't be able to share that apk file as I am not sure where the law stands on that!
Warning: Haven't fully tested it yet, so don't blame/slag me if its starts to eat into your credits!
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works well so far thank
Glad it worked for you. Just keep an eye on your credits. Its kinda hard to do especially when all those apps is trying to use up your internet data allowance too! Wish there was some sort of app that can control what can use the wifi or the mobile internet.
Does your mobile internet icon appear ok or it is it constantly showing both the up/down arrow as white? if so, it might drain your battery a bit quicker because of the streaming internet traffic.
Glad it worked out ok for you. Just keep an eye on your credits which is a bit hard to do since all your other apps wants mobile internet access!
Check your battery level too - if you have both the up/down arrow on the mobile internet constantly on, you might find that it might drain your battery a bit quicker.
I just wish there was an option somewhere (perhaps an app?) that can allow to set what programs can use which method of internet (mobile or wifi)
Hi tweedie, I did as you wrote in post #9, I also noticed that the url was already input so I didnt need to type in. Is it because I already adb pushed .xml document as per iskoot thread in Dream section?
@LordLucan - most probably yes. That easter egg screen reads/writes from that xml file that you pushed.
By the way, I wasn't aware of that xml push method as per dream forum (doh!). When you used skype - did you find that your internet icon (that H icon at the top of the screen) was constantly showing up/down white arrows? And whats your battery life like?
@tweedie, Yes H symbol is constantly on. Pity! It would be good if it drops down to 3G. Battery life is about 10 to 12 hrs from full charge on standby with sipdroid also running.It may be little above average since mine is a data sim and not used from normal mobile gsm calls.
Also noted that V 2.51 (Modaco) is fractionally better that early v2.
By the way, have thought about doing same trick on Skype Lite from Market? Its a much lighter client and may be good on data/battery. I have the apk file should you need.
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I just wish there was an option somewhere (perhaps an app?) that can allow to set what programs can use which method of internet (mobile or wifi)
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Such an apps exists, it's called Droidwall and is a firewall application which con block or unblock wanted apps from either 3g or WiFi. Sadly it does not work on MoDaCo custom rom right now, but I just registered and will give Paul a note. Seems like there is only one kernel module missing.
@hero-user
thanks for that Droidwall, sounds just the app I needed
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thanks for checking. This indicates to me that the xml push method and the easter egg way is both working the same way and both is probably getting a load of HTTP404 error back from 3 network (and possibly shortening its battery life).
Its possible that skype lite might have some configuration files that can be set to make it call a "3 network" number, but I doubt it would work.
I am guessing that iSkoot makes a url request to 3 network (a custom iskoot server perhaps?) to sign in, get messages, makes calls, etc. And when you make a skype call, it tells that iSkoot server (not skype) that you are making a call to X and prepares a call. Your phone will then make a voice call to that special skype-to-skype number and because its prepared (and somehow knows its you) it directs your voice to the skype at the other end. Again, its just a guess work from the traffic I've been looking at from iSkoot on winmo devices.
Hi Tweedie, Thanks.
Just a thought. 3 Australia have been marketing HTC Magic and I wonder if users there had skype client on their handset.
Early on I phoned 3 and an advisor said there will be a skype client on Hero but I think he didnt know what he was talking about!!!
I'm with 3 Australia with the Magic and can confirm that there was no Skype app installed on the handset.
Using the steps mentioned here I've managed to get skype running over x-series, but still can't make SkypeOUT calls tho - only Skype to Skype.
Word is the Skype is going open source - at least for it's Linux version.
This should hopefully make it fairly simple for a full blown native Skype app on Android.
Regards,
Dave
i will be spending a week in japan (narita/ tokyo) next month and would like to stay connected (voice, texting, data) while there. however, i'd like to do this in the most cost-effective (ie cheap as possible) way.
i am currently with an AT&T plan. my SGH-i777 is rooted, running CM7, and is sim-unlocked.
where do i go from here?
will i be able to use this phone at all?
can i buy a prepaid sim and use that instead for the duration of the week?
rental phones? (i have read about rental phones, etc, but it seems you may be required to present local (japanese) id.)
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i will be spending a week in japan (narita/ tokyo) next month and would like to stay connected (voice, texting, data) while there. however, i'd like to do this in the most cost-effective (ie cheap as possible) way.
i am currently with an AT&T plan. my SGH-i777 is rooted, running CM7, and is sim-unlocked.
where do i go from here?
will i be able to use this phone at all?
can i buy a prepaid sim and use that instead for the duration of the week?
rental phones? (i have read about rental phones, etc, but it seems you may be required to present local (japanese) id.)
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My guess would be a prepaid SIM. I THINK the I777 has support for the bands that NTT DoCoMo uses.
I don't know how much prepaid SIMs in Japan cost or their cost effectiveness though. Probably better to ask in a forum related to travel/tourism in Japan since that's a generic non-phone-specific question once you go beyond band support.
I have used this:
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/international/roaming/travel-guide.jsp
Click on "Use the Travel Guide" and select your country and phone. It says the I777 is compatible with both voice and data.
But prepaid SIM is definitely the way to go.
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. . . But prepaid SIM is definitely the way to go.
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Forget about a prepaid sim from docomo they want all sorts of paper work. Either long term stay or id papers (Japan is rather xenophobic) softbank does have prepaid but you will need a Japanese friend to get it for you. Other than that check with some sellers online that sell multi national prepaid sims. Att will screw you over with international charges
I forgot to mention you may be able to find a raku raku phone ( prepaid ) not sure if it comes with a sim or not though
Go to Howardforums.com and look in the Japanese phone section. They may have some more answers for you
Check out xcom global WiFi hotspot. Easiest way to stay connected.
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Check out xcom global WiFi hotspot. Easiest way to stay connected.
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Damn! Wish i saw this earlier- leaving in a few hours.
I will 100% keep it in mind.
Anyway, definitely not going the prepaid phone or sim way, as the rates, aside from all the paperwork as mentioned, are higher thant he romaing rates i will gfet by simply using at&t. also, at&t will work on nttdocomo and softbank networks, which have the biggest presence in the regions i will be visiting.
thanks for the suggestions and ideas!
so, i just got back.
first, after calling at&t, i had to enable roaming on my account (free setting so one can connect to the carriers while romaing), which enabled me to connect to either softbank or ntt docomo, both of which had equally great signal in tokyo- ginza area. worked well in shibuya, and roppongi as well.
i had disabled data while roaming, and also disabled the auto-retrieve of sms. for some reason, sms messages came through anyway... is that an issue with my rom (cm7)?
since we had wifi in our room, i used the Viber app for voip calling, text and picture messages, while google voice via the Groove IP app for calling anyone who didn't have Viber, including landlines in the US and canada. Groove IP is a must if you plan on calling any US/ canada numbers while away- the voice quality was nearly flawless, and you can also receive calls if you enable call-forwarding on your carrier, and set google voice to forward calls to google chat (which end up in Groove IP).
if anyone else is travelling, and needs some suggestions, just post a reply. i think now, after the fact in my case , i have it all down.
I'm deploying to Kuwait. Definitely keeping this thread in mind!
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I'm deploying to Kuwait. Definitely keeping this thread in mind!
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Foremost, no matter the country you represent, thanks for your support!
Now, this sounds like you will be there a while. I'm guessing you will have some basic wifi access while at base. If that's the case, I recommend a few things:
1. Get Viber. It's completely free. No ads, no signup! It automatically scans your contact list and will tell you what other users in your existing contact list have Viber installed. It works on Android and iOS, so be sure to tell those you most often talk to to also get Viber. It's by far one of the most transparently integrated applications I've used in that it has no learning curve, and works immediately out of the box.
The downsides are: requires a data connection (in your case, wifi), and both parties must have the app installed. Other than that, sending pictures and texts is a breeze, and voice quality is superb over wifi. Keep in mind, the other party can receive your communication via Viber simply over their 3g/4g, and don't necessarily have to be on wifi themselves.
2. Assuming you are based in the US or Canada, get yourself a Google Voice account setup asap, if not already done. This allows you to call any phone (mobile or landline) in those regions entirely free. You can call using your computer while on wifi.
3. Get Groove IP. Grovoe IP requires a Google Voice account. Pairing the two allows you to make and receive calls on your mobile, using data, or wifi.
The power of using Google Voice paired with Groove IP is that, while you're on wifi when abroad, you can call a mobile or landline directly- unlike in Viber's case, whereby you can only call another Viber user on their mobile. Also, this combination, allows you to send sms, though not any picture messages- can always use email for that.
Additionally, you can receive calls via the Groove IP setup from any number(you must setup GV to forward to Google Chat- this step is in the setup instructions of Groove IP).
So, the ideal setup is this:
Get Viber, and tell all your family members and friends to get it as well
Setup Google Voice and Groove IP
Before leaving, get your phone setup to forward all calls to your GV number, and in turn, setup GV to forward calls to Google Chat (which ends up in Groove IP on your mobile).
So, when you are at the base, and have your handset connected to wifi, as long as GrooveIP and Viber are running, you will be fully connected. Anyone calling your regular number as if you had never left will be able to reach you, as will any of the Viber users calling via mobile.
Sorry for the long-winded rant, but I hope I've covered some useful ground, which worked well through my experience anyway.
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Just to mention the obvious- don't forget google chat- as long as you are on wifi, and so is the other party, you can do voice or video chat. There is modded version of google talk so at least the other party with 3g/4g access does not have to also use wifi.
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I'm deploying to Kuwait. Definitely keeping this thread in mind!
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Lucky, we aren't allowed to bring cell phones.
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sweetrobot said:
Foremost, no matter the country you represent, thanks for your support!
Now, this sounds like you will be there a while. I'm guessing you will have some basic wifi access while at base. If that's the case, I recommend a few things:
1. Get Viber. It's completely free. No ads, no signup! It automatically scans your contact list and will tell you what other users in your existing contact list have Viber installed. It works on Android and iOS, so be sure to tell those you most often talk to to also get Viber. It's by far one of the most transparently integrated applications I've used in that it has no learning curve, and works immediately out of the box.
The downsides are: requires a data connection (in your case, wifi), and both parties must have the app installed. Other than that, sending pictures and texts is a breeze, and voice quality is superb over wifi. Keep in mind, the other party can receive your communication via Viber simply over their 3g/4g, and don't necessarily have to be on wifi themselves.
2. Assuming you are based in the US or Canada, get yourself a Google Voice account setup asap, if not already done. This allows you to call any phone (mobile or landline) in those regions entirely free. You can call using your computer while on wifi.
3. Get Groove IP. Grovoe IP requires a Google Voice account. Pairing the two allows you to make and receive calls on your mobile, using data, or wifi.
The power of using Google Voice paired with Groove IP is that, while you're on wifi when abroad, you can call a mobile or landline directly- unlike in Viber's case, whereby you can only call another Viber user on their mobile. Also, this combination, allows you to send sms, though not any picture messages- can always use email for that.
Additionally, you can receive calls via the Groove IP setup from any number(you must setup GV to forward to Google Chat- this step is in the setup instructions of Groove IP).
So, the ideal setup is this:
Get Viber, and tell all your family members and friends to get it as well
Setup Google Voice and Groove IP
Before leaving, get your phone setup to forward all calls to your GV number, and in turn, setup GV to forward calls to Google Chat (which ends up in Groove IP on your mobile).
So, when you are at the base, and have your handset connected to wifi, as long as GrooveIP and Viber are running, you will be fully connected. Anyone calling your regular number as if you had never left will be able to reach you, as will any of the Viber users calling via mobile.
Sorry for the long-winded rant, but I hope I've covered some useful ground, which worked well through my experience anyway.
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Just to mention the obvious- don't forget google chat- as long as you are on wifi, and so is the other party, you can do voice or video chat. There is modded version of google talk so at least the other party with 3g/4g access does not have to also use wifi.
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Groove IP sounds awesome! That seems like the most practical solution since everyone already has my Google Voice number!
And thank you for YOUR support!
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Lucky, we aren't allowed to bring cell phones.
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Who is "we"?
MaxRabbit said:
Groove IP sounds awesome! That seems like the most practical solution since everyone already has my Google Voice number!
And thank you for YOUR support!
Who is "we"?
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I keep finding these threads trying to make calls out of mexico.
THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO USE GOOGLE VOICE GOOGLE VOICE DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE US
bobsled sounded like a good alternative but no one can hear me on the other end
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I keep finding these threads trying to make calls out of mexico.
THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO USE GOOGLE VOICE GOOGLE VOICE DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE US
bobsled sounded like a good alternative but no one can hear me on the other end
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Did you need to necro this 4 month old thread though?
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redking117 said:
I keep finding these threads trying to make calls out of mexico.
THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO USE GOOGLE VOICE GOOGLE VOICE DOES NOT WORK OUTSIDE OF THE US
bobsled sounded like a good alternative but no one can hear me on the other end
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Why did you have to tell them that. I don't think they need to know that since it's been 4 months.
The answer is, people don't look at dates. They just see a problem and think "hey, my post count could use a boost...feck it!" And dive right in. In all fairness he could be blind and have everything being read to him. In which case maybe he missed it telling him how old the thread was.
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I have the rezound, as well as a Kindle Fire, and I installed Google Voice on them. I read through other threads, and no luck with my problem.
I have used Google Voice on my computer to call and text people, and with my upcoming trip to europe, it would be nice to use that to call people back home.
Problem, I have it installed on two devices, yet on both it doesn't give me the option to call, or even compose any sort of message at all. Any ideas on what I can do? The only options I get are refresh, settings, and search.
For me, when I'm in my inbox (or any other folder) I have a compose button on the bottom left. For calls, can you go into settings, Making calls, and change it to ask for all calls? Then use your dialer to place a call and it should prompt you.
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I have the rezound, as well as a Kindle Fire, and I installed Google Voice on them. I read through other threads, and no luck with my problem.
I have used Google Voice on my computer to call and text people, and with my upcoming trip to europe, it would be nice to use that to call people back home.
Problem, I have it installed on two devices, yet on both it doesn't give me the option to call, or even compose any sort of message at all. Any ideas on what I can do? The only options I get are refresh, settings, and search.
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click settings. the second option in the settings menu controls the ability to make calls via google voice. it is however done by dialing a forwarding service and therefore uses your minutes. it is not voip.
Fontos said:
I have the rezound, as well as a Kindle Fire, and I installed Google Voice on them. I read through other threads, and no luck with my problem.
I have used Google Voice on my computer to call and text people, and with my upcoming trip to europe, it would be nice to use that to call people back home.
Problem, I have it installed on two devices, yet on both it doesn't give me the option to call, or even compose any sort of message at all. Any ideas on what I can do? The only options I get are refresh, settings, and search.
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I pretty much use Google Voice as my primary mode of voice calling. You don't make a call through the app. Simply go to settings, and tell it to either use GV for every call, or ask it to prompt you at every call whether to call from your phone or to call from GV. Then when you simply dial as normal through the dialer app, it will either just use GV if you told it to, or ask you which to use.
BTW, All GV calling functionality is disabled on wifi tablets. I honestly have no experience with 3G/4G tablets, but on my Wifi Transformers I have to install a SIP client on the tablet and route GV calls to another VOIP service I use.
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I pretty much use Google Voice as my primary mode of voice calling. You don't make a call through the app. Simply go to settings, and tell it to either use GV for every call, or ask it to prompt you at every call whether to call from your phone or to call from GV. Then when you simply dial as normal through the dialer app, it will either just use GV if you told it to, or ask you which to use.
BTW, All GV calling functionality is disabled on wifi tablets. I honestly have no experience with 3G/4G tablets, but on my Wifi Transformers I have to install a SIP client on the tablet and route GV calls to another VOIP service I use.
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I'm a bit confused. I thought the only Google Voice calling solution was GrooveIP if you want to send and receive calls properly for your Google Voice phone number. GrooveIP does not use your minutes and is definitely VOIP.
On every device I tried it on, there is a bit of delay with GrooveIP, but the quality is good (good internet connection required, whether its 4G or strong 3G or WiFi.)
Can you please elaborate a bit? Are you just using Google Voice app, but its using your minutes?
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I'm a bit confused. I thought the only Google Voice calling solution was GrooveIP if you want to send and receive calls properly for your Google Voice phone number. GrooveIP does not use your minutes and is definitely VOIP.
On every device I tried it on, there is a bit of delay with GrooveIP, but the quality is good (good internet connection required, whether its 4G or strong 3G or WiFi.)
Can you please elaborate a bit? Are you just using Google Voice app, but its using your minutes?
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When you use the google voice app, it dials into the google voice services which then forwards the call to the number you dialed. You get charged for the minutes during the call as a result. This also breaks free mobile to mobile calling.
GrooveIP is a 3rd party app that lets you connect to GV via VOIP so you don't have that forwarding call.
Use sipdroid with pbxs function. Tie it to Google voice, download Google voice callback, and presto. Have it on an old evo for my 8 year old daughter. She loves texting with Google voice. Makes her feel like a teenager. There is sometimes a slight echo, but completely usable.
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Use sipdroid with pbxs function. Tie it to Google voice, download Google voice callback, and presto. Have it on an old evo for my 8 year old daughter. She loves texting with Google voice. Makes her feel like a teenager. There is sometimes a slight echo, but completely usable.
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This is exactly how I made voice calling possible with my GV number on my wifi tablet.
Just wanted to throw this out here... for those of us who want to run CM10 but depend on WiFi calling because of coverage issues.. here's something I've done that works great
Basically we're going to be using Google Voice (For the phone provider) that's linked to a SIP account (SIP is the standard for VOIP), and we're going to use Conditional Call Forwarding to ensure calls go to our google voice number when we don't have server, but connected to WiFi.
First, you need a google voice account. Once you have created an account, make sure you log in/place a call at least once using Gmail (In the google voice phone settings, there's an option to have it forward calls to "Gmail", you want to make sure that's checked as well)
Okay, once you've done that, and you have made a test call... you need to sign up for this Google Voice SIP gateway https://simonics.com/gvgw/
This will, in a nutshell, establish a gateway between google voice's gmail call interface, and a SIP account. This will allow you to use a SIP account to make calls through your google voice number. Make sure you write down/store the information the Simonics gateway gives you once you sign up, you cant get it again!
After you register with the Simonics gateway, you will be given a SIP server, a username, a "secret" (Password), the registration string isn't important unless you're going to be using Asterisk, which we are not.
Now, once you have all this information, download the app CSipSimple (Best SIP client on android) https://play.google.com/store/apps/...lt#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5jc2lwc2ltcGxlIl0.
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You can also get the codec pack, which will give you a wider range of codecs to use.. but I find the default just fine.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...5jc2lwc2ltcGxlLnBsdWdpbnMuY29kZWNzLnBhY2sxIl0.
Okay! Now that we have all that done, we're going to configure CSipSimple to connect to the Simonics google voice gateway. CSipSimple has great integration with the stock dialer. Open up CSipSimple... the initial config will pop up, here you can choose to integrate it with the Android dialer (which I recommend if you're replacing wifi calling), select "Available on WiFi" (Unless you want to use this over the cellular network as well, to save on minutes, only uses data) and you can also choose if you want to allow CSipSimple to operate over mobile networks (I'm allowed to use mobile, is the option name) pick your options, then save. Now you'll be presented with a list of VOIP providers etc.. scroll all the way down and select "Advanced" configuration.
Account name: Anything you want
Caller ID: Anything you want, but I suggest either your mobile # or your google voice number
Server: Whatever the Simonic's gateway provided you, this can be different so make sure you wrote all that down!
Username: What the Simonic's gateway provided you
SIP Authentication ID: Leave this blank, it will default to the username.
Password: the "Secret" the simonics gateway provided you
There will be a checkbox that asks to use TCP instead of UDP. If you're going to be taking incoming calls on this often, I'd recommend using TCP (it's much less battery intensive than UDP). UDP is the preferred method, but it will use a LOT more battery if you plan on being connected often.
Proxy: same exact thing here as "server", example: mine is gvgw3.simonics.com
Save that.
If everything is correct, after you save the account should register, and turn green showing "registered"
Okay! Now we can make calls using our google voice account, so let's test it and make sure it's working. Go ahead and hit "Accounts" at the top left (The "back" arrow) or simply hit the back softkey. This should take you to the dialer (This is CSipSimple's dailer, but CSipSimple has also integrated with the stock dialer, so when you make a call a menu will pop up asking if you want to use your Google Voice SIP gateway account, or regular mobile network.. if you don't want this menu every time you make a call, I suggest turning off the "I'm allowed to use mobile network" feature and turn off android dialer integration)
Dial this number: 1 354 415 1595 - This is what's called an ECHO test line, it's a regular land-line number.. you should hear a voice saying hit "1" for an ECHO test, "2" for music on hold. Hit the 1 key, and start talking. You should hear an echo of your voice... if you hear yourself talking, GREAT! Outgoing calls are working!
Now we want to configure what's called Conditional Call Forwarding/Unconditional Call Forwarding so that all calls to our mobile number will be forwarded to our google voice number when we do not have a signal (or in the case of unconditional, always), you can also set up what's Unconditional Call Forwarding... this is useful if you want to have calls forwarded to your google voice number no matter what. I usually turn off the radio when connected to WiFi though (saves a lot of battery), to ensure I don't have a mobile signal ****YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE TEXT MESSAGES IF YOU DO THIS****, so it's up to you if you want to turn the radio off or not. If you don't, you'll need to use unconditional call forwarding.
Now here's the deal: WIth T-Mobile, Conditional Call Forwarding (THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT) is limited to a total of 500 minutes per billing cycle. It doesn't matter if you're on unlimited, 1000 minutes, whatever. You get a TOTAL of 500 Conditional Call Forwarding minutes each cycle. Yes, it sucks. But that's what we have to deal with if we want to use CM10 with functional wifi calling that rings you when someone calls your mobile number. If you want to avoid using these minutes, you can simple call the person back (Using your SIP account), or give your google voice # (instead of mobile number) when someone calls you, and have them call you right back. ALSO, Conditional Call Forwarding is what forwards calls to your voice mail, so if you use it, MAKE SURE TO SET IT BACK TO THE NUMBER IT WAS AT ORIGINALLY, OR CALLS WILL NOT GO TO YOUR VOICEMAIL. You can see what this number is by using the short code # # 62 # in your dialer, using your mobile network.
There's several modes of conditional call forwarding. Forward if BUSY, Forward if NO REPLY, Forward if NOT REACHABLE (no signal). You can set up forwarding to your google voice for any of these, but I only recommend NOT REACHABLE, because it simply doesn't make sense for the other two. There's several ways to configure call forwarding. I recommend using the stock dialer's built in feature, but you can also use Short Codes to activate it. Open the stock dialer, click the menu button, then settings. Near the bottom of the Settings, there should be a "Call Forwarding" option. In there you'll see all three forwading settings (Busy, not reachable, unanswered) as well as the original number it's set to (your voicemail). All you do is simply change the "Forward when unreachable" to your google voice number. Remember, for this to be in use 100% of the time you're on WiFi, you will have to turn off your cellular radio. If Text Messages are important to you, I recommend using UNCONDITIONAL (Always Forward in the dialer->forwarding settings).. this will have calls forwarded to your google voice number NO MATTER WHAT, so make sure you turn it off when you leave WiFi.
Unconditional Call Forwarding, on the other hand, deducts from the minute plan you subscribe to. You can still use the above methods to avoid using your minutes, but just be aware that if you use unconditional call forwarding it WILL deduct from your minute bucket.
Please be aware that you have to have a mobile signal to configure call forwarding, so you need to turn it on before you leave service/enter wifi, or simply always have Unconditional Forward if Not Reachable forwarded to your google voice number. Honestly, I use Google Voice for my voicemail as well, so I have all three of my forwards always set to my Google Voice number, you might want to consider this option as well, as it makes it much more seamless. You can use the Google Voice app for visual voicemail as well as free transcription, and it's much much better than T-Mobile's solution.
Here's a list of short codes for call forwarding: http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4319
These are very useful if you plan on using Tasker to automate any of this (This is what I do, to make the process very seamless when I enter WiFi)
I know this isn't nearly as simple as the stock wifi calling solution, and it doesn't integrate nearly as well... but it works. Once you have this configured, you'll be able to receive/make calls on WiFi without issue. You'll also have a method of calling using your data connection that doesn't use minutes if you need that, as well. There's other ways to do this, such as using an app such as "Groove IP" or "Talkatone", and those work very well. I prefer the SIP gateway method, because I can configure a SIP softphone on any number of devices, including my android device. For those standalone apps such as "Groove IP", you would do pretty much the same thing, but you don't need the Sip Gateway, and you also wouldn't need CSipSimple (which I find is superior to all the other VoIP apps)... all you would do is simply configure Unconditional/Conditional call forwarding to your Google Voice number and use whatever app you want. You could also use Android's build in SIP functionality (it's built into the dialer!) But I find it very unreliable and couldn't get it to register reliably with the SIP gateway... but that might be a great option as well.
Please title this correctly.
This is 'How to get Google Voice working on your phone'... Not a viable workaround for 'cell-service-over-WiFi' style wifi calling.
Notes:
1) Monthly4G customers DO NOT HAVE conditional forwarding
2) This does not allow you to recieve MMS.
3) The only way you can use google voice with your real mobile-number is if you port it to Google, at which point you will never get MMS at that number again (because GV can't handle it properly)....
Now, does it work to have a usable phone at home w/o service? Sure, on a different number & with limited messaging...
But it is not a true WFC workaround.
dcacklam said:
This is 'How to get Google Voice working on your phone'... Not a viable workaround for 'cell-service-over-WiFi' style wifi calling.
Notes:
1) Monthly4G customers DO NOT HAVE conditional guys over on nal forwarding
2) This does not allow you to recieve MMS.
3) The only way you can use google voice with your real mobile-number is if you port it to Google, at which point you will never get MMS at that number again (because GV can't handle it properly)....
Now, does it work to have a usable phone at home w/o service? Sure, on a different number & with limited messaging...
But it is not a true WFC workaround.
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Well yeah I'm quite aware of the limitations. There's really no other viable alternative at the moment. Maybe someone can get the kineto app and libs from the sensation working but I highly doubt it, as the guys over on the sensation forum have been trying for a while now... Basically it's up to t mobiles, haha. I believe the only working device with jelly bean and wifi calling is the note 2, and sgs3....and once again its deeply embedded within the touchwiz framework.. The guys over on sgs3 forum even have a 350$ bounty for a non touchwiz working port. Doesn't look very promising but it's to be expected with something like uma... Maybe someone will figure it out. For someone who works in a complete t mobile dead zone, the only other viable option is sticking with Ics, and that's simply not something I want. Then again, I've always basically given my gvoice number out, and no MMS is very little impact considering you can send stuff over email, and every single carrier seems to have an email gateway... It is a major pain to have people send stuff to your Gmail acct. Instead of regular MMS, though,.... It's definitely not Ideal but it's a lot better than no service, an using ICS/sense builds.
I wasn't aware that monthly 4g didn't get conditional, kind of sucks. Could always use unconditional, if most people use your mobile number you would completely be dropping messages so i do understand the hesitation on that. I've been wanting sms/MMS. Forwarding options for a long time now, would be nice if carrier sms could utilize xmpp or sip messaging to handle sms forwards, but sms is another huge hack job that sorely needs replacement and MMS just a fancy if not severely limited email.
So yeah man, not many other options out there right now. If you're someone who relies on sms/MMS heavily and most contacts use your mobile number, I can definitely see where that would be an issue. Most people I communicate with on a daily basis are very tech oriented, so it's honestly not that big of a deal breaker (to me). I've just found that the Sip gateway and CSipSmple work orders of magnitude better than any stand alone app implementation. If you have any alternatives (besides using ics/sense builds) I'd love to know them, I was a huge user of wifi calling (about. 70% of all my calls) so i'm open to try everything.
Lol get your friends and family to get viber you get to keep your number and sms and MMS and since these days every one has a smart phone an app like viber is quite nice especially if everyone had it on their phones... That's what I use when I don't have signal and have told friends and family to reach me on viber if they can't otherwise
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ericdjobs said:
I wasn't aware that monthly 4g didn't get conditional, kind of sucks. Could always use unconditional, if most people use your mobile number you would completely be dropping messages so i do understand the hesitation on that. I've been wanting sms/MMS. Forwarding options for a long time now, would be nice if carrier sms could utilize xmpp or sip messaging to handle sms forwards, but sms is another huge hack job that sorely needs replacement and MMS just a fancy if not severely limited email.
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If you use 'unconditional forward' then you will never get another call again. All your calls will be forwarded to G-Voice, which will send them to G-voicemail.
We'll see about wifi calling.
BTW, the Kineto/UMA app does run on our CM9. There's a kernel driver missing for GAN, and of course CM9 does not have data. It crashes on CM10 because of a missing native library for audio-recording...
The Movial/IMS app (From Amaze Stock) runs on CM10 but the setup screen is full of sense rubbish... However the Sense rubbish might be wrapp-able back to stock-Android, but that is a long-shot...
Skip all steps and install groove ip. And sign in with your Google voice login
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dilfatx said:
Skip all steps and install groove ip. And sign in with your Google voice login
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Yeah you can do that if you want, and it's definitely a much more simpler approach and it should be sufficient for most people.
But the SIP method gives you much more flexibility, like the option of using Speex/GSM codecs (which compensate for jitter and packet loss) while Groove IP hooks directly into the google talk API, thus you are stuck with G.711 mu-law codec, and that's not the best option all of the time. Using Speex/GSM codecs will give you slightly reduced call quality but much better reliability and they are much more resistant to congestion network situations or high latency.. it's a better calling experience all around IMO.
Also, using a SIP solution you're able to hook into an asterisk server if you so desire (which is important to me, personally) and manage multiple lines using one softphone.
At the end of the day though, if you have access to fast, reliable wifi whenever you need to make calls, Groove IP gets the job done just fine. But for someone who wants a lot more functionality and features, using the SIP gateway will provide that. Also, you can use it as a trunk for an asterisk server, for those of us who utilize that sort of thing.
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Hi, thanks for sharing this! I was wondering if there's a way to configure this directly in Android's stock dialer (just as can be done with pbxes.org)? Thanks!
So I have an AT&T Note that I use with T-Mobile.
I am in a bad reception area and want to use Google Voice to place calls with WiFi.
Is there a setting that I have to use on the phone to allow VoIP calls and if so where the heck is it LOL. I have looked thru all settings and cant find it.
Using Gubment Cheeze ROM.
THANKS!
If placing a call with Google voice it will use WiFi. Nothing to change.
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If placing a call with Google voice it will use WiFi. Nothing to change.
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I believe this to be wrong. I was pretty sure the only way to get google voice to make calls over a wifi connection was to use a an app like Grooveip. That is the app I use to make wifi calls with my phone, and it works pretty well. Reason being that google voice has no built in dialer. When you use google voice on your phone's default dialer your call goes out across your carriers data not wifi. When you run an app like Groove ip it will in fact connect to wifi with your google voice account and place the call over wifi. It is a payed app. There might be other apps that are free in the market, but I know for a fact Groove ip works.
if you go into settings for google voice and select making calls it gives you 4 chooses for making calls. use google voice to make all calls/do not use google voice for any calls/ international calls/ or ask every time. if set to all calls it will use google voice when dialing out with stock dialer. i have mine set to ask every time. when i go to dial out using stock dialer it ask if i want to use google voice or not. i can verify it is using google voice over wifi by monitoring data used in settings. wifi useage from google voice goes up after placing call and selecting use google voice. but mobile data will stay the same.
Here is a better way to check. Settings/more settings/Mobile networks/uncheck enable data access over mobile network. Now make a call. I believe you will see my point.
Otherwise why would anyone even use an app like Groove ip.
I mean I have been wrong before, but if I am wrong this is a recent update. I am quite sure wifi calling is supported on custom roms, but bone stock ATT there is no wifi calling. Perhaps you are running a custom rom that supports wifi calling.
I use an app called Talkatone for this. It integrates with GV and worked much better for me than groove ip did (horrible delay in conversation). The cool thing is that it dials using data also so I have t mobiles Prepaid $30 plan with 100 minutes and unlimited data and hardly use any of the plans minutes.
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Here is a better way to check. Settings/more settings/Mobile networks/uncheck enable data access over mobile network. Now make a call. I believe you will see my point.
Otherwise why would anyone even use an app like Groove ip.
I mean I have been wrong before, but if I am wrong this is a recent update. I am quite sure wifi calling is supported on custom roms, but bone stock ATT there is no wifi calling. Perhaps you are running a custom rom that supports wifi calling.
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i was on cm9. i just flashed back to stock to try and see if still works the same and it does. i unchecked data access over mobile then made a call using stock touchwiz dialer and with google voice set to ask to use for each call. when dialing out i get the same popup that i get using cm9 asking to use google voice or not. tried both ways with and without. called att customer care and when not using gvoice it knows my att number. call with gvoice and ask what number i am calling about so i know it is being directed through gvoice. once again checking data usage and i can see wifi data increasing for gvoice but not mobile data. best thing to do is try yourself on your setup and see if it works for you. if not then use a 3rd party app.
You are the only person I have known that was able to do that.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507433
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/104911-google-voice-over-wifi-question.html
when i get more time i will test some more and make sure i am not missing something. would like to completely disable mobile network and see if it still works on wifi only.
well i dont know why i didnt try before but turning airplane mode on and wifi on calls with google voice through stock dialer are no go. I WAS WRONG. please ignore all my post in this thread. learn something new everyday. thanks Butchr for pointing that out.
Not trying to bust anybody's balls. Just trying to avoid misinformation here.
I tried all of the above and none worked.
Just flashed a T-Mo ROM and everything in it works EXCEPT the WiFi calling.
I now live in an area where I NEED WiFi calling so I can use the darn phone at home LOL.
Guess I"ll run over to the T-Mo dev section and see what I can gather there for 411.
Thanks for all of the input folks.
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Not trying to bust anybody's balls. Just trying to avoid misinformation here.
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No worries. Didn't take it as ball busting. Just a good debate with no flaming. Don't see that much anymore.
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Just a good debate with no flaming. Don't see that much anymore.
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True that.