Hello everyone, I have faithfully used my eris since its release and now that I have had an upgrade available for use for quite a while, i've been getting antsy. I really would like to get an htc phone for the sense experience (i use footprints quite often), but also really like the screen on the droid charge and the dual core-y goodness of the dx2 (but hate that terrible motoblur and locked bootloader). I want to wait for the bionic, but really dont want a motorola phone.
I live near detroit, so I do have 4g support in my area, but how much of a speed difference does that make? I realize numbers-wise, 4g is a huge difference, but in actual real world performance, is it necessary? I feel that I barely use my eris now that I have my xoom (wifi only) and the only reason I think I would use a 4g phone would be to tether it to my xoom. The biggest issue i see is verizon starting to crack down on tethering and that in a few months I will be out tethering and a phone I am not particularly fond of.
Basically what it comes down to is that right now, I use my eris for texting, calls, quick browsing (for at the store or wherever, when i dont have my xoom with me), and basic apps such as weather and alarms. I would like to think that if I got a 4g phone, I still wouldnt use it to the best of its abilities just because i enjoy the tablet experience my xoom brings; leaving me with a phone that I use for the same things I use my eris for, but with worse battery life and such. I have always wanted to get the most cutting edge tech, but right now (and hopefully for the next 2 years ) I cant justify getting a 4g phone just for the 4g capabilities.
TLDR: Knowing I have 4g in my area and a xoom, which phone would you recommend?
PS: How's that droid commando?
If you have a Tegra tablet, which you admittedly use a lot more than your Eris, I don't think you really need a dual-core phone that badly, unless you'll be gaming a lot on your new phone. I suggest either the Droid Charge or the Thunderbolt, with my preference being the Charge. Verizon's 4G LTE is a lot faster than 3G, you want to have it if it's available to you, and both the Thunderbolt and Droid Charge will feel as fast as light compared to your Eris. I like the Charge because it has better battery life and a great looking SAMOLED+ display, but if you're a big Sense/HTC fan, you might prefer the Thunderbolt.
I like Moto phones, but no need to settle for a locked bootloader and a dual-core (and Blur until root comes to strip it out) when you'll be fine with a single core and freedom.
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Why not the Droid Incredible 2? It's not 4G or dual core, but it seems to have everything that you want otherwise.
I was definitely looking at the incredible 2, do u have any experience with it?
The reason i wasn't too sure about the current 4g offerings were my distrust of most samsung products (had a glyde a while back and it was horrible) and haven't really had many experiences with LG products (other than my original env) I wish verizon would get an htc device with sense 3.0, as that is a huge deal for me. If what i have read is correct, both the thunderbolt and the incredible 2 have had sense 3.0 ported to them, but aren't the fastest (please correct me if i am wrong).
Sense 3.0 stock devices coming to verizon soon would be awesome, but i haven't heard any yet.
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No, I still own and use an Eris. However, based on your typical use, based on your doubts about needing 3G, based on your preference for HTC products with the Sense launcher, you may want to go into a store and play around with one.
Sorry i didn't reply for a bit, but i've decided to stick it out with my eris until the sgs2 or bionic (but i really want the sgs2) come out. I flashed back to a 2.1 rom and it has been (in my experience) a lot faster than the cm7 rom i was on, making me less irritated and less impatient for a new phone. Thanks for all the help tho everyone
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The HTC Vigor has certainly peaked my interest lately since I really like HTC phones better over Motorola or Samsung.
Rumors are saying it will have a 4.3″ 720p HD screen (1280×720 resolution), with a 1.5GHz dual-core processor, 1GB RAM, 16GB internal storage, 8MP rear cam, 2MP front, Android 2.3.4 and will be similar in size and shape to the Thunderbolt, but without the kickstand.
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Hey guys im a 5 time user of droid phones. Ive been extremely dispointed in Android so i left and am waiting for the Iphone. But the thunderbolt looks hot. Can someone give me any reasons to get the thunderbolt or iphone. It is tempting, and im a huge fan of sense ui. But the lack of apps kills me.
I can't wait for the Thunderbolt myself. Some of the things I am interested in with this phone compared to the iPhone are:
- 4g connectivity
- 4.3 inch screen
- 768MB of RAM (compared to 512 for iPhone)
- Higher resolution front and rear cameras
- Removable storage support
- Flash support
- Wifi media sync with Winamp app
Android has most every application I am looking for. Navigation is free too. I will admit I am still waiting for a few applications such as Netflix. I would much rather be on an open platform any day.
What applications are you looking for?
What lack of apps, for every iphone app there is an android app that does virtually the same thing.
It really comes down to this (in my opinion):
Which is more important, simplicity or customization?
My wife wants her phone to be simple as possible and thats why she loves the iphone.
Me on the other hand, hates the iphone because I can't do complex customization. I believe you should be able to change your notification tones without jailbreaking.
So if you want simplicity and just want stuff to work with as little intervention as possible, then the iphone is probaboly for you.
If you want to be able to customize the phone to tailor it more to you then android is the way to go.
Which driods have you used in the past? The Thunderbolt is basically the evo from sprint which is a very nice phone.
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Which driods have you used in the past? The Thunderbolt is basically the evo from sprint which is a very nice phone.
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This is true for the average consumer. But there are HUGE (at least to me) differences between the Evo and the Thunderbolt.
The Thunderbolt has an S-LCD screen compared to the Evo's regular LCD screen.
Thunderbolt has the 2nd gen 45 nm Snapdragon processor with Adreno 205 gpu compared to the Evo's 65 nm 1st gen Snapdragon processor with Adreno 200 gpu. This means the Thunderbolt is faster, more responsive, drains less batteries, and has much better graphics power.
Thunderbolt has 768 mb of RAM compared to Evo's 512 mb. Self explanatory here.
Thunderbolt also has a new 8 MP camera that is DIFFERENT from the Evo's camera. It's suppose to be a lot better especially under low light situations.
Thunderbolt comes with Sense 2.0 while Evo has the outdated Sense.
Thunderbolt has SRS Dolby Surround Sound while Evo does not.
I think those are all of the main differences. But other than that, they're too different.
Edit: Woops I mean to say, other than that, they're the same. x)
Thanks for clearing that up hacker01
Thunderbolt or Iphone. Hmm what to choose... What to choose...
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Thanks for clearing that up hacker01
Thunderbolt or Iphone. Hmm what to choose... What to choose...
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IPhone on Verizon will not do voice and data at the same time, iPhone does have a small screen but more pixels per inch making the screen look better. The thunderbolt has better battery life.
The nicest part about the iPhone is any idiot can use it. Bricking is almost impossible. And because there is no real multitasking its almost impossible to leave an app open and killing your battery (although I haven't had that problem since my Eris)
The final nice part about the iPhone is accessories are made for it cuz its so popular.
But with that said I have 7 friends that have the iPhone (literally 7 I'm not rounding) and all of them are jealous of basic android abilities like turn by turn GPS and how quickly gmail works and wireless backup and WIDGETS.
You loose a lot by going iPhone but you don't have to think when you use it.
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I guess I should add the nice part about the iPhone is everybody has the same screen size and what not so making apps is pretty easy but that gives you less options
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a really BIG deciding factor for me is battery life. android is known for having semi poor battery life depending on the phone (for me g1, nexus one). when i get the thunderbolt i wll definately be watching how my battery life is and if its poor then trust ill be getting the iphone. i would hate to leave android tho.
I am having the same dilemma...I want the thunderbolt but the LTE pricing is the deciding factor. And its really pissing me off that we are not getting any answers. Sprint and tmobile had pricing right away.
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Thunderbolt seems cool but screen resolution sucks.
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Thunderbolt seems cool but screen resolution sucks.
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SUCKS is hardly a word I'd use. It is adequate. With a much bigger screen which is more important IMO.
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Man i keep going back and forth. The Iphone just has so many great applications, games etc. Ive had 5 android phone and all were the same. Just for browsing email and phone.....iphone is so much more complete.
I like to play games sometimes. And well android as only a few and the ones it has are old ports!!!
If it wasnt for the 4g i wouldnt even consider the thunderbolt. Im just afraid if i dont jump on the $30 unlimited now for the 4g data that it might change and then im screwed.
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Man i keep going back and forth. The Iphone just has so many great applications, games etc. Ive had 5 android phone and all were the same. Just for browsing email and phone.....iphone is so much more complete.
I like to play games sometimes. And well android as only a few and the ones it has are old ports!!!
If it wasnt for the 4g i wouldnt even consider the thunderbolt. Im just afraid if i dont jump on the $30 unlimited now for the 4g data that it might change and then im screwed.
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Same here...but Android is so much easier to Customise and replace Batteries . At some point there will iPhone for 4G and so the point of TB being 4G will beome moot. Just gonna sit tight and wait until September and see what is out there...perhaps a Bionic Phone?
I have two Inspire 4G right now, and they're both rooted. Great phone, but I hear the Atrix is THE phone to have. Who has had both phones, and which worked better?
Edit: And if the Atrix *IS* the better phone, does anyone have an avenue I could go down, such as a website, where people trade phones?
Keep the inspire. owned both.
I currently have both phones but I'm going to return one in a week or so. I find myself going back to the Inspire more. Love the S-LCD, build quality, and Sense. I do like the.Atrix too. Like its camcorder, size, battery life... but I don't care for the actual display and MOTO blur isn't terrible, but sense is just more fluid and a better experience to me. It's a tough one, but I think.I prefer the inspire.
Is the Atrix faster? I know it has a better processor, but does it feel faster?
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For me its the Inspire 4G hands down. Rooted and romed it and it feels just as fast as the Atrix did.
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Is the Atrix faster? I know it has a better processor, but does it feel faster?
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There's not much difference in terms of performance. Since there isn't really anything on the market as of now that can fully utilize a dual core. Sense offers a lot better user experience IMHO
What about the screens? Is the Inspire's screen funky with such a lower pixel per inch count than the Atrix? (217 vs 275 by my calculations)
I'm pretty sure I'd miss flashing ROMs with the Atrix. Heaven knows I was a flashaholic with my FUZE when I first got it.
I only have an atrix, but going by what I've read the battery life is way better on the atrix.
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I only have an atrix, but going by what I've read the battery life is way better on the atrix.
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I'm starting to get skeptical about all the battery threads. Usage models differ so much from user to user that you see everything from "I can't get my phone to run for more than 5 hours before it dies" to "My phone hasn't been on the charger in 2 days" in both the Atrix and Inspire forums.
Just going by what I've experienced,
Absolutely no problems with my Atrix in terms of the battery. Usually go 16-24 hours before hitting 30%.
My brother has the Inspire and literally carries his charger with him anywhere he goes.
I'd still take it with a grain of salt as each person seemingly has different battery experiences.
so my contract will be up in May 4th.
after my horrid experience with the Backflip, im kind of on the iffy side about the atrix since its running motoblur.
the atrix seems like a good candidate. espcialy because of the lapdock. as im going to college and wanted a android tablet. but the atrix seems way better ATM and i can get it for around 450 at radio shack.
but first of all. i would want some general feed back from owners as you all.
pros and cons basically.
Atrix is a great phone to upgrade too. I myself came from a Backflip (CM6 installed). BLUR shouldn't be an issue since the phone is so powerful...but use LP or ADW etc as your launcher
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Atrix is a great phone to upgrade too. I myself came from a Backflip (CM6 installed). BLUR shouldn't be an issue since the phone is so powerful...but use LP or ADW etc as your launcher
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backflip, was a good attempt at a design of a phone unique, but with that they equipped it just sucked. i moved on to a HTC HD2 which is what i have right now. but i want my 3G back and 4G as my area will be available for 4G.
thanks for the tip on the launchers.
This phone is very well built especially in an otterbox case. It just feels like a sturdy phone. The camera is really good. I just upgraded from an Xperia X10 with loads of tweaks. I thought that was running really fast, and this manages to run even faster at stock. You can literally click almost anything and it will open immediately. Cons: I really like motoblur actually, but I wish there were more settings for syncing.
i keep on viewing more videos on youtube regarding the phone. called att today in the morning. i want it. but they are slapping a 45 tethering fee to my plan, becuase of the lapdock. i dont want to go over 200 bucks a month as its what we are paying right now right around 170ish 80ish.
but i want it.
but hen again, it makes me think about the whole motoblur thing. on the backflip, it was laggy and useless. i ended up putting a deblured rom on it.
by any chance does anybody know if you need to have a tethering plan?
You can get past the need for the tethering plan, I don't know personally because in Canada there are no tethering charges (except for the iPhone) but there are threads on bypassing it in the Dev forum. As for your original question, take a good look at the screen in a store or somewhere before you buy it. For a screen that is 960x540 the PenTile effect completely ruins it for me, and the color saturation is terrible. If it doesn't bother you than that its a great phone.
ill look that up. as for the screen. PenTile? imma hit google up. lol. but ill take a good look and compare to my HD2. screen doesnt really bug me. unless its low quality. then yes we have an issue. but other than that. were fine. thanks for the tip.
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You can get past the need for the tethering plan, I don't know personally because in Canada there are no tethering charges (except for the iPhone) but there are threads on bypassing it in the Dev forum. As for your original question, take a good look at the screen in a store or somewhere before you buy it. For a screen that is 960x540 the PenTile effect completely ruins it for me, and the color saturation is terrible. If it doesn't bother you than that its a great phone.
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I completely disagree. The screen looks very good, albet a little pixilated when displaying solid colors. My friend's droid x's screen looks washed out and low quality in comparison.
Pros
Most powerful phone. It is more powerful than most android phones coming out even the SGS2 can't touch it. Look at some benchmarking threads the Atrix gets in the 2900 with android 2.2 the SGS2 has 3000 but it is android 2.3 and does not push out as many pixels.
Great Battery life
1080p will be coming soon
4G coming soon
Very good build and very slim as well
Cons
Locked bootloader (Not a problem unless you like custom roms)
A bit laggy with a couple bugs (Could be fixed soon)
- AT&T
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Pros
Most powerful phone. It is more powerful than most android phones coming out even the SGS2 can't touch it. Look at some benchmarking threads the Atrix gets in the 2900 with android 2.2 the SGS2 has 3000 but it is android 2.3 and does not push out as many pixels.
Great Battery life
1080p will be coming soon
4G coming soon
Very good build and very slim as well
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Locked bootloader (Not a problem unless you like custom roms)
A bit laggy with a couple bugs (Could be fixed soon)
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like i said screen isnt really a big issue. as long it looks okay and a bit on the HD side im good.
ive been reading review alot lately (dont wanna **** up liek i did with the backflip) i hear battery is a drag. that it dies quickly because of the dual core processor. the 4G has to come eventually as its has 4G slapped on to its name
AT&T is not really a big issue. ha i got service where i live. not one single dropped call.
now here are two noobish questions.
1) what exactly is a locked bootloader? and is it good or bad?
2) can someone explain the whole dual core thing? i have heard and read two different things. i read that it is a 1 GHz processor thats it. i have heard from video reviews that its a processor with 2 1Ghz chips, that making it 2 Ghz. jsut wondering.
How are you getting it for 450 from radio shack? If you don't mind me asking.
I returned mine for the zoom and will prolly grab it again for that price.
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i visted my local radio shack about 3 days ago.
Phone 150
lapdock 329.99
so correction about 479.99
Atrix & lapdock deal @ radioshack
Oh with an upgrade? Damn that's a pretty good prove. I paid for it in full, 650 is crazy for a phone...
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Oh with an upgrade? Damn that's a pretty good prove. I paid for it in full, 650 is crazy for a phone...
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yeah. 600 for the phone is whack! i got a HD2 currently got it off cragislist for 150 guy needed the money.
best buy has the phone for 99.99 and the dock for 399.99. a total of about 500+
radio shack seems the best option. around 480 not bad 20 bucks is 20 bucks i can buy a case or something.
You guys are lucky you don't live in Australia, to buy any decent phone will set you back 800ish, Atrix 4G online in an Australian store (MobiCity.com.au) will set you back $1000 its stupid.
As for the question, I like my Atrix, its heaps better than my HTC 7 Trophy and faster than my iPhone 4 in some cases. The locked bootloader basically stops you flashing custom ROMs onto the phone entirely, only fake ROMs that are essentially very well built themes. Considering this is my first android though, I have yet to care about custom ROMs. The screen is good unless you're viewing solid colors which is when it goes pixelated and motoblur did annoy me as soon as I saw it, which is the reason I shoved GingerBlur on it as soon as I could.
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now here are two noobish questions.
1) what exactly is a locked bootloader? and is it good or bad?
2) can someone explain the whole dual core thing? i have heard and read two different things. i read that it is a 1 GHz processor thats it. i have heard from video reviews that its a processor with 2 1Ghz chips, that making it 2 Ghz. jsut wondering.
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1) In simplified terms, a Bootloader is low-level piece of software that loads the main OS (Android in this case). It's roughly equivalent of the PC BIOS.
Being locked means that its going to be very difficult to replace it.
You'd want to replace it in order to replace the Android OS with a newer version. The Manufactures and carriers are terribly slow to release new versions. The version of android on the atrix is version out of date (2.2) and almost a year old. It also means you can easily remove the extra 'value' crap motorola and the carriers like to add (like motoblur).
2) The chip runs at 1Ghz, but it's two cores on the chip which means it can 'theoretically' do twice as much per hertz. In practise, Android isn't that dual-core aware. It's likely Ice-Cream will bring more optimizations for dual-cores. Which we think is due late this year.
But Motorola would rather sell you a new phone than update it, hence why a locked bootloader is a pain. Consumers provide far better support than the manufactures or carriers
I see. I wonder if they will skip 2.3 and just go ahead to ice cream since ice cream is for dual core phones.
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Hi guys,
I'm planning to upgrade to a TB hopefully
this weekend, but also considering the iphone.
I'm about 70/30 in favor of the TB
Just wanted to get your input and see if you
guys that already have your TB, used it, gotten
comfortable etc:
- Can you still say that you are happy w/ your
decision?
- any items that you dislike that you've discovered
from your daily use that you had not noticed before?
- build quality still holding up well?
Thanks for your time
I've had my bolt for about 2 months now and I am very pleased with it. I never had the reboot issues so that was a non factor. Battery life honestly isn't that bad. I can make it 12 hours which is enough.
That's probably largely due to rooting and installing custom ROMs, which is actually the biggest advantage. The developer support is massive on this device, at least matching what I was used to on the Incredible, which had some of the best dev support next to the Evo and Nexus devices.
Don't fret the lack of a dual core processor, I honestly thought I would but clocked at 1.4 I don't notice ANY lag. And honestly, having a slow network (IE not Verizon 4G) would cause far more noticeable slow down than not having a second processor.
Hope this helps!
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I agree with all of the above. I've had mine about 2 months as well, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I briefly considered exchanging my TB for a Droid Charge, but the Charge dev support is virtually nonexistant, and I can't stand Touchwiz. I've had better battery life with other phones, but I routinely get 16-20 hrs on my TB and I have a couple of extra batteries, so the battery isn't an issue for me. Mine is slightly overclocked (1.4ghz) and the Sense UI is silky smooth, so even though it has a single core cpu, it handles everything I throw at it. As mentioned before, you'll appreciate the difference between 3G vs. 4G much more than single vs. dual core.
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I agree too . I had iphones since first gen . Even when iPhone 4 came out I was talking smack bout Android phones . But I switched to Verizon from ATT and was debating either iPhone 4 again or thunder bolt . Picked the TB to test out . And gladly I say I made a good move that day . Great phone and puts the iPhone in the ditch .
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I love it. Das BAMF just came out with 4 new rom versions under 24 hours.
Christmas in July.
But to answer "- Can you still say that you are happy w/ your
decision?" Yes because it has kickstand.
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Yes because it has kickstand.
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When I bought this phone I thought the kickstand was absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a phone. Fast forward three months and now if I look at a phone and it doesn't have a kickstand I wonder how the user is able to deal with it.
Mine did nothing but glitch and power off with factory flash. 1 week later I love it... running MR2.5, BAMF Stripped 2.1, and lots of apps.
Temptation
The Samsung Galaxy S2 is tempting to me. I personally think the device looks amazing.
I remember when a kickstand and a FFC were the big draws.
I even got a 3rd line on my account just so I could get this phone.
But with 3D phones, dual core processors and fancier UIs I'm a little bummed out about this phone. If it wasn't for BAMF I'd have probably just sulked until the next big thing. As you can see I don't wait long to jump on the newest device (BTW, the mythical Bionic and GS2 don't impress me so it might be a looooong wait ):
Droid 1 - 11/09 - 4/10
Droid Inc - 4/10 - 7/10
Droid X - 7/10 - 3/11
Thunderbolt - 3/11 - present
The thunderbolt is well beyond expectation. The 4G LTE network is literally 20 to 30 times faster than the iPhone's 3G network, there are a couple dozen ROMs to test, and Android is better than iOS.
Also, there's a kickstand on the Thunderbolt, how can you not love it? If you overclock to 1.4 GHz like many of us do, you will most likely notice no lag. If you're smart with your battery, and take steps to save it, you should be able to get 12+ hours with it, even with somewhat heavy internet use and even a few videos or games everyday.
I love my Thunderbolt.
I had read all about battery life issues but decided to go for it anyway.
No battery issues to speak of and after rooter and going to BAMF the battery is even better.
The 4G speed is outstanding where available. I get 5mbps around my area (Mountain View, CA) but when I go to San Francisco it hits 20mbps+. Doesn't seem to matter where in San Francisco I am either, speeds are always amazing.
I never thought I'd use the kickstand. I just thought it would be there.. but I use it all the time. I do wish you could charge the phone while using the kickstand.. this seems like a major screw up on the people who designed the phone.
The Thunderbolt is the best 4g option right now, if it were me I'd get it before 7/7 to get locked into the unlimited 4g. If 4g isn't something you care about then I'd say the Droid X or X2. I like my Thunderbolt but not as much as my X, the thunderbolt is lacking in build quality, Motorola have always had the best from my experience.
my friend had one, but he sold it allready and will never buy a htc again.
He told me, it was ok, but nothing special..
most older htc models sucks anyway, mostly because of their bad camera and clumsyness.
Still loving the Thunderbolt. While the charge has a nicer looking screen, I still prefer HTC and the Sense UI over any other UI
I went from an Incredible to the tbolt and its not a switch I've second guessed for a second. Had mine rooted the same day I got it. I don't see how an iFone holds a candle to the tbolt in any way.
appreciate everyone's response
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I've had my bolt for about 2 months now and I am very pleased with it. I never had the reboot issues so that was a non factor. Battery life honestly isn't that bad. I can make it 12 hours which is enough.
That's probably largely due to rooting and installing custom ROMs, which is actually the biggest advantage. The developer support is massive on this device, at least matching what I was used to on the Incredible, which had some of the best dev support next to the Evo and Nexus devices.
Don't fret the lack of a dual core processor, I honestly thought I would but clocked at 1.4 I don't notice ANY lag. And honestly, having a slow network (IE not Verizon 4G) would cause far more noticeable slow down than not having a second processor.
Hope this helps!
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awesome, thank tct08 for the sharing your experience
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Mine did nothing but glitch and power off with factory flash. 1 week later I love it... running MR2.5, BAMF Stripped 2.1, and lots of apps.
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great that's definitely encouraging. I've been looking at the section w/ all the roms in it and i'm thinking i'm going to try one BAMF's roms
i keep seeing mr1/2 throughout the forums - what exactly is/does that mean? from what i've read it does it have to do w/ gingerbread at all?
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The thunderbolt is well beyond expectation. The 4G LTE network is literally 20 to 30 times faster than the iPhone's 3G network, there are a couple dozen ROMs to test, and Android is better than iOS.
Also, there's a kickstand on the Thunderbolt, how can you not love it? If you overclock to 1.4 GHz like many of us do, you will most likely notice no lag. If you're smart with your battery, and take steps to save it, you should be able to get 12+ hours with it, even with somewhat heavy internet use and even a few videos or games everyday.
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thanks matt for your user experience as well. @ this point i'm definitely going to go w/ the TB, my wife's planning to go w/ the iphone route lol.
for overclocking, is there a tutorial on how to get that done? is that involving changing the kernal or something?
- - Another question I had that for you guys: on my current blackberry I have multiple email accts on it
w/ the thunderbolt how many email accts can you setup on it? is it only 1 main one that we need to forward all emails to or ability to setup multiple accts?
thx again
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When I bought this phone I thought the kickstand was absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a phone. Fast forward three months and now if I look at a phone and it doesn't have a kickstand I wonder how the user is able to deal with it.
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Wow that is how I felt. I thought phones with kickstands were absolutely DUMB. Now after having the TBolt for a few weeks I can't see how I ever lived without one haha. I LOVE this phone. The build quality is awesome. It's not scary to put down and handle like the iPhone 4 (glass cell phone....really? idiots!!!). The only thing I'm not huge on is battery life but I got the extended 2750mAhbattery so it all works out! Screw the locked down garden of iOS and get the TBolt!!
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The Thunderbolt is the best 4g option right now, if it were me I'd get it before 7/7 to get locked into the unlimited 4g. If 4g isn't something you care about then I'd say the Droid X or X2. I like my Thunderbolt but not as much as my X, the thunderbolt is lacking in build quality, Motorola have always had the best from my experience.
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Not hating on you but you really think the Droid X/X2 have a better build quality? My buddy has the X and to me it feels cheaper than the TBolt. Obviously it's our opinions and subjective overall but it just shocked me to read that.
- - Another question I had that for you guys: on my current blackberry I have multiple email accts on it
w/ the thunderbolt how many email accts can you setup on it? is it only 1 main one that we need to forward all emails to or ability to setup multiple accts?
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I have 4 different emails setup all update just fine, the main issue with the bolt is htc and vzw screwed the pooch on the OS but the devs stepped up, it does have one of the largest group of devs working on it.
Bamf is runnin' my bolt - smoke that vzw!
One thing I really wish was different is the the location of usb port. I can't use the kickstand and and netflix at the same time, unless I'm lying on my side and have it kickstood portrait mode. I really think that the usb location should have been in between of the onoff button and 3.5 headset port. Tbh anywhere but the side it is now. =)
I love it. Rooted with a little love it is a very powerful device..stock is another story..
Hello, I have been on sprint with an Evo 4g for a while now, but due to sprints recent coverage change for my area, I might be switching to verizon. so my question is, which would you all suggest i get? galaxy nexus? or Droid razr Maxx? any big devs going for the razr? easy root process? moto going to unlock the bootloader on it? any and all help is greatly appreciated, thanks - Matt
When I was on the same boat as you 2 days ago, I have to admit it was the toughest choice I have done in a LONG time.
As it stands your looking at this:
Galaxy Nexus Verizon
-Unlocked Bootloader bust that **** open and destroy it with mods
-Nexus phone, quicker to get updates
-Good battery life. Nothing compared to the Maxx though. But check out the battery life on the 4.0.4 leaked update, it's AWESOME.
Droid Razr Maxx
-Great battery life
-No ICS
-Locked bootloader
-To me it's a Nexus with a crazy battery & motoblur skin.
Now, IF the Razr Maxx gets ICS and an unlocked bootloader it will be: Everything pretty much equal except for these:
Great dev modding community, Nexus updates, good battery life vs. Maxx battery (best battery), great dev modding community
There, I put it in a nutshell for you.
I had the Maxx and returned and decided to return it because I didn't need all the battery it supplied and I can adjust the battery on my Nexus to fit my needs perfectly and spare. Lastly, I don't risk Moto not unlocking the bootloader, but ICS it will definitetly get. It would hurt Moto way too much to not give ICS to the Razr Maxx it's tied for the best phones on the market now the other being the GNex. My personal opinion though ICS won't matter since it's not gonna really look AOSP, Motoblur isn't ugly but it's not the nicest when AOSP ICS is on the GNex.
So it's up to you, can you have some patience with the Nexus and adjust it's battery till you get it right to your usage and make it last 18-20 hours? (More with ext. battery)? I'm in that process now. And not risk Moto not making a fully moddable phone? Take your pick, both are excellent choices. WHATEVER you do if you go GNex don't give up on the battery it's really easy to make it last without limiting yourself to 5% brightness and 2G signal. Just have to pinpoint everything and what's the problem.
Lastly, most and all radio/battery problems are easily fixed (if you have them on stock) by not even rooting. Just unlock bootloader and flash 4.0.4. Best update ever.
**I did not consider Camera and other features because both are just fine for a PHONE camera.***
Good Luck.
It all depends on what your requirements are. Personally, I'm on my phone nonstop all, so anything less than enormous battery won't work for me. Plus I have a prejudice against Samsung phones in general.
Worth noting that the Nexus doesn't have a micro SD slot (although it's NAND flash memory is very fast), and the Razr Maxx's battery is not replaceable (according to Motorola -- I've heard from some VZW reps that it can be done).
Either way, it's a gamble.
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Had the Nexus for 3 days then returned it for a razr. That should tell you my opinion.
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Adauth said:
Had the Nexus for 3 days then returned it for a razr. That should tell you my opinion.
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Same here. Got a Nexus demo at work for 2 weeks and did not fall in love with it. I hear 4.0.4 fixes battery but twice it went from 80% to 0% overnight doing nothing but 2 email accounts. Also, the Nexus just felt strange in my hand (I have large hands). I did not like where the power button was because i hold it in my left hand to read email and my index finger kept pressing the button and blanking the screen. The Droid Razr Maxx is in similar place but my index finger ends up well below the button when holding. The Maxx feels more secure in my hand and not like it's going to fall out like with the Nexus.
I rooted and did ROMS on all my previous phones (OG Droid, Droid 2, Droid Incredible) and enjoyed doing away with BLUR on my Motorola's but I'm sure I will do the same with the MAXX. I did like the idea of having the NExus with all the latest updates and development but the Samsung phone just didn't seem as well put together as the Maxx.
My speed tests showed the Maxx faster on WIFI and 4G. The 4G fringe areas work much better after the latest update (this past week), and I was having some issues with the Nexus getting 3G network in some light areas and not with the MAXX.
had the nexus for a week. returned it.
Not sure why anyone would want an AOSP phone. It's like having generic frosted flakes.
Battery life is not an issue for me so even though i knew about the maxx, i got the razr. The nexus is just awkward, buggy and just plain. you NEED a custom rom if you get the nexus.
I prefer the HTC sense UI's over anything else. If HTC would just make a thinner, better looking phone, i would jump all over that. You gotta see a ROM with HTC 3.6 and ICS. it will blow you away. I gave my kid the Sensation XL and loaded this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1429953
The greatest ROM i've ever seen. If you want a UI that will just make you smile everytime you use the phone, this is it. But for the RAZR, i'll take motoblur over AOSP anytime.
I don't know how you people like skins over aosp, gross
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I don't know how you people like skins over aosp, gross
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For the same reason that there are tons of launchers, widgets, etcc on the market. Because AOSP means, As Obviously Super Plain as possible. Just kidding of course, but AOSP really is out of the box google. It's meant to offend no one, not step on apple toes (like samsung), and not dazzle anybody. It really reminds me of APPLE iOS.
call someone you know on both phones and ask them which sounds better. then call a voicemail with both phones and listen to playback and listen to the difference in how you sound. if everyone did this Samsung couldn't sell a single phone.
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Hello, I have been on sprint with an Evo 4g for a while now, but due to sprints recent coverage change for my area, I might be switching to verizon. so my question is, which would you all suggest i get? galaxy nexus? or Droid razr Maxx? any big devs going for the razr? easy root process? moto going to unlock the bootloader on it? any and all help is greatly appreciated, thanks - Matt
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You do realize this is a Razr forum right? Then you cant possibly expect an objective voice. Those 80% overnight drop to 0% on Nexus is simply untrue or not true for all. Maybe on that unit yes. 4G speed? I don't know. I had a test on two phones side by side and GNEx beat Razr 4 G speed EVERY time buy at least 1mb. This is based on 20ish tests.
Battery life on Razr Maxx is just KING . So original razr is simply out of this competition PERIOD .
Except it is thinnest which you can't really USE that 7.1mm to do anything . Except cutting a cheese.
Gnex is for dev. Its openness is best. Razr Max is for regular user . So depends on which type you are
Disclaimer. I own both phones.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
The 5MP cam on the Nexus is an Absolut deal breaker for me. If it wasn’t for that, if the Nexus had an 8MP cam, it would be a fairly hard choice. But i use my phone cam like crazy so it completely ruled the Nexus out for me.
Hi all-
I ended up getting both. I got spoiled very quickly with ICS on my Xoom tablet. I have to admit that I also love ICS on the Nexus as well... However, and this is just my humble opinion.. The battery life is considerably better on the Razr than on the Nexus. Yes I have removed all of the battery draining apps. Tried several roms, Blah blah. On and on it goes. I've spent many an hour doing things that others claim to be the 'solution' to achieving great battery life on the Nexus. Well, I'm here to tell you that as far as I'm concerned, Samsung desperately needs to return to the drawing board and practice up on their battery design as that has been my number one issue with their device to date. Believe me, I got really SPOILED with the Razr's supreme battery performance. I easily achieved two days with it, yet with the Nexus I have not been able to make a full 12 hour day, and this is even with the extended battery. It isn't an ICS issue either as my Xoom plays for hours on end with little concern over battery life. I have also found that RF-wise the Razr wins hands down. I am aware of radio software improvements in ICS 4.0.4 and above. Perhaps with those updates coming down the pike some positives will be made in that area and I'm good with that.
No doubt other Nexus owners will disagree with me and that's fine. I'm only commenting on what *I* have experienced with the Nexus. Even though I have the freedom of running stock Android on the thing which truly is very very nice, I still have to confess that from a hardware standpoint my experience so far has been less than stellar.
I want to wait and see what Moto has up their sleeve with ICS once they implement it on the Razr. I may well take the leap back to it once that happens, but even with the mediocre battery life and RF performance on the Nexus, I plan on retaining it afterward if nothing else as a developer unit as I don't expect Moto to ever release the bootloader on the Razr.
The developers who are cranking out the roms for the Nexus (as well as the Xoom) are incredibly talented. It fascinates me to sit back and watch all of this in action. It makes me wonder where did all of this creativity come from prior to the emergence of smart phones.
Bottom line is that I firmly believe both handsets are worthy of ownership in their own right but I still lean towards the Razr. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Hi all-
I ended up getting both. I got spoiled very quickly with ICS on my Xoom tablet. I have to admit that I also love ICS on the Nexus as well... However, and this is just my humble opinion.. The battery life is considerably better on the Razr than on the Nexus. Yes I have removed all of the battery draining apps. Tried several roms, Blah blah. On and on it goes. I've spent many an hour doing things that others claim to be the 'solution' to achieving great battery life on the Nexus. Well, I'm here to tell you that as far as I'm concerned, Samsung desperately needs to return to the drawing board and practice up on their battery design as that has been my number one issue with their device to date. Believe me, I got really SPOILED with the Razr's supreme battery performance. I easily achieved two days with it, yet with the Nexus I have not been able to make a full 12 hour day, and this is even with the extended battery. It isn't an ICS issue either as my Xoom plays for hours on end with little concern over battery life. I have also found that RF-wise the Razr wins hands down. I am aware of radio software improvements in ICS 4.0.4 and above. Perhaps with those updates coming down the pike some positives will be made in that area and I'm good with that.
No doubt other Nexus owners will disagree with me and that's fine. I'm only commenting on what *I* have experienced with the Nexus. Even though I have the freedom of running stock Android on the thing which truly is very very nice, I still have to confess that from a hardware standpoint my experience so far has been less than stellar.
I want to wait and see what Moto has up their sleeve with ICS once they implement it on the Razr. I may well take the leap back to it once that happens, but even with the mediocre battery life and RF performance on the Nexus, I plan on retaining it afterward if nothing else as a developer unit as I don't expect Moto to ever release the bootloader on the Razr.
The developers who are cranking out the roms for the Nexus (as well as the Xoom) are incredibly talented. It fascinates me to sit back and watch all of this in action. It makes me wonder where did all of this creativity come from prior to the emergence of smart phones.
Bottom line is that I firmly believe both handsets are worthy of ownership in their own right but I still lean towards the Razr. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Can you comment on the quality of *outgoing* voice quality when comparing the two handsets?
So what kind of future will a Maxx have if I buy one?
I love the things I can do with my Thunderbolt, but want the battery. Will ROM's be as diverse as my TB? I love the CM7 ROM's I have. I am just unclear as to what the bootloader will stop me from doing in the future.
Is it possible that CM9 could eventually work on it?
Are there any ROM's that have the hotspot enabled without the carrier option?
Sorry for newb questions. Just want to make sure I dont buy a phone I hate.
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Can you comment on the quality of *outgoing* voice quality when comparing the two handsets?
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Having had both, didn't notice any difference
jiwengang said:
You do realize this is a Razr forum right? Then you cant possibly expect an objective voice. Those 80% overnight drop to 0% on Nexus is simply untrue or not true for all. Maybe on that unit yes. 4G speed? I don't know. I had a test on two phones side by side and GNEx beat Razr 4 G speed EVERY time buy at least 1mb. This is based on 20ish tests.
Battery life on Razr Maxx is just KING . So original razr is simply out of this competition PERIOD .
Except it is thinnest which you can't really USE that 7.1mm to do anything . Except cutting a cheese.
Gnex is for dev. Its openness is best. Razr Max is for regular user . So depends on which type you are
Disclaimer. I own both phones.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
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I also own both phones! I have the Razr Maxx because for work I need to have good call and sound quality and the Razr is awesome in both areas but for the inner geek I have the Nexus which can't be beat for Dev support and updates and pure fun but the sound quality is poor on calls and speaker phone. I have also had many calls where the person I am talking to can no longer hear me.
My advice! Get both!
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I had the RAZR for 2 months now.
One thing I don't like about it, is the display. The colors looks beautiful, but the text doesn't play nice with my eyes. I've heard it's because Motorola uses Pentil display. Other than the display the phone is great, with solid and premium build quality.
Get the Maxx. I got the Nexus when it came out, and I have had nothing but disappointment from it. I really wanted to love it. I wanted to have a *true* google phone... but they just skimped out too much on the hardware.
The cell antenna in it downright blows. It's unusable at my house, where the Maxx works just fine (other people with Verizon phones in my house also work fine).
The camera on the Nexus also blows. It's fine outside, or in really really well lit rooms during the day, but don't even bother trying to take pictures in any kind of low light, they just look terrible. I don't care about megapixels, but I do care about whether or not the pictures look like junk.
The battery on the Nexus blows (seeing a pattern here?). It lasts 12 hours, with very minimal use. It's aggravating to have to run and drop it on the charger as soon as I get home.
There's no SD slot on the Nexus... which didn't matter to me, but some people care. You can still copy files on and off it from windows, and 32 gigs is a lot of space for most people.
The only good thing about the Nexus is the screen, which is admittedly awesome. The Maxx's screen looks pretty good though, even side by side with the Maxx. And don't let the dimensions of the screens fool you, they're very very close in usable size - the Nexus loses a bunch of pixels for its on-screen buttons, which seem to only disappear when watching videos. The height of the screens are just about the same, the Nexus is just slightly wider.
ICS is also SO much better than gingerbread... but if you're here, you can install a ROM and do just fine with the Maxx.
Im waiting on a razr maxx to arrive fed ex tomorrow. I am coming from a samsung charge with a total bad experience. Signal,battery and gps issues. Hope this is all solved with the new phone as Im sick of hearing it from the wife. She now swears samsung off and wants a motorola because when she had the dx2 gps was never a problem.
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Im waiting on a razr maxx to arrive fed ex tomorrow. I am coming from a samsung charge with a total bad experience. Signal,battery and gps issues. Hope this is all solved with the new phone as Im sick of hearing it from the wife. She now swears samsung off and wants a motorola because when she had the dx2 gps was never a problem.
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Had the Droid charge too. After the lousy development, went to the Nexus Galaxy to get the A++ development. It was there, but too much plain ol AOSP for my liking. Saw a co-worker with the razr and instantly loved the blur and exchanged my phone. The 7mm thiness of the phone is just aluring to me. i love handling such a light and thin phone. The little bump on the top backside also helps to give it an angle when i lay it down. Its like the designers thought of everything.