So I'm sure the title makes this clear already, but I have an HTC Incredible as of now, but am preparing to trade for a Fascinate. From what I've gathered online, the Fascinate has the Incredible beat on hardware (except for the camera), but isn't quite up to par on software (TW vs Sense, Bing, just got Froyo, etc), but for a CM/AOSP guy, that's not too big of a problem.
So, I just have a few questions as I prepare to make the transition.
With the DInc, pretty much everything can be done on the phone after the one-click root with unrEVOked. It's to my understanding that much of what has to be done is in Odin? The concept of going through another technological medium to accomplish something on my phone is going to be a bit new for me, but I catch on really quickly, so I'm not too worried.
Are there any tricks or tips/helpful reading material that anyone could suggest as I settle in over here?
As I looked through the Dev section (however briefly), it seemed like Kaoscinator was the most stable GB rom available on the Fascinate. If this is not true, which is? I'm not a fan of MIUI, and tend to like stock GB (or as close as possible) the best, so this would really be my biggest question.
Thanks!
The stickies in the General section should get you off to a running start. As for CM/Aosp builds, JT's CM7, currently test build 5, is the most stable and functional at this time.
i would suggest ComRom, most AOSP like in that it doesn't have TW, but everything works, give CM a alittle time, it will be perfect when 100% working...but also know that OMFGB and OMGB will be ported soon, r2doesinc is on the case, and they are working on that atm...
I ended up going through ComRom to get to the CM7 alpha/beta/whatever it's being called. It's pretty stable, I was pleased with it. I needed me some real AOSP though (modded AOSP, but you get the point). The only issue I've had so far was the random ringing, but that disappeared after someone called me before I had the chance to reboot. Haven't had it since.
I was having problems using RM to flash a recovery, but that's because there was a step that I was skipping... Odin. If my bootloader had security disabled, S-Off, I could completely unroot, and go from pure stock to a rooted Rom in the time it takes to make a Nandroid, wipe, flash and boot. Being able to flash a recovery image through the bootloader on the phone is really the only thing I miss from the Incredible other than tthe optical trackpad. I'm loving the screen size, and everything else. The processor on this phone is fantastic. I can't wait to see what springs up in the development forum once the CM team officially supports this device. Especially some OC kernels... this thing could go even faster, I can feel it.
OMFGB will be a welcome addition as well. R2 and his team do great work!
I'm still learning things and establishing procedure, but if anyone could point me to some plain as day information on what exactly Voodoo is, that'd be great. That's not something I've ever heard of until now.
Thanks for the patience! I catch on quick, I promise I don't ask a whole lot of questions, as I try to figure it out on my own first, the switch is just a little daunting with the addition of Odin. Weird stuff.
Voodoo is comprised of a few parts.
Voodoo lagfix-- converts the file system from RFS to the speedier ext4. This improves the responsiveness of the phone
Voodoo Color-- makes the colors of the phone "pop" more and look better.
Voodoo sound-- The galaxy S series of phones have a VERY good audio chip. Voodoo sound lets you fully take advantage of the processor's power. Hook this phone up to a decent receiver and speaks and you will be pleasantly surprised.
Voodoo sound and color REQUIRE kernel source code to be baked in. Voodoo lagfix does not require kernel source. Thus, you can have voodoo lagfix without color/sound (and potentially vice-versa).
Aha! The Fascinate's partitions ARE Ext4 (except for non-Voodoo, of course)! I thought so! The partitions were all Ext3 on the DInc. That's pretty cool!
Now, how would one control Voodoo? Is there an app that does that, or is this controlled via the Voodoo Settings in the Lag-Fix Recovery?
Sound is controlled with voodoo control app in the market. Lagfix is controlled by clockwork. Color is just built into the kernel and has no setting options
Voodoo color only works when you have your backlight set to max brightness... unless I am mistaken
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You are correct...its to help balance the colors to remove the blue tint of bright white display due to its pentile design
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Especially some OC kernels... this thing could go even faster, I can feel it.
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We've had OC kernels for a long time, including for CM7: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1119169
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We've had OC kernels for a long time, including for CM7: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1119169
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Yup, I just found that exact kernel. I stumble into something new every time I go through the Dev forum. I'm definitely digging this phone.
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I was browsing some other site when I noticed some members mentioning how android 2.2.1 on their galaxy s devices made a HUGE improvement in overall speed, basically making it stock lag free. They had the original i9000 galaxy.
The story was, when google released android 2.2, their main goal was efficiency and speed overall but mainly for the snapdragon processor devices especially since their own device(nexus 1) + many others at the time, evo, incredible, etc. were snapdragon powered. Thus, people noticed the increase in speeds and also their benchmarks increased dramatically as well. The downside was, those optimizations kind of slowed down our hummingbird devices in some ways resulting in the lag we know of. Thats why some people feel(including myself) stock 2.1 was pretty slick in basic functions.
But since the 2.2.1 was leaked, people installed them on the international galaxy s devices, and even some ports were made for the samsung Captivate. All of those devices with the updates are much faster. I tried to find people having 2.2.1 on the Vibrant, but no know has so thus far. So does anyone know of any developments on 2.2.1 for or vibrants, or atleast somehow we can try to have it ported. I mean if they got it working from the i9000 to captivate, im sure vibrant should not be that much more different..
Just install voodoo lag fix. Will speed up your vibrant and be mostly lag free. Why wait for all that. I'm using odex uvjl4 froyo stock rom with voodoo. Runs awesome.
Killing Zombies with my Voodoo Vibrant!
darkside79 said:
Just install voodoo lag fix. Will speed up your vibrant and be mostly lag free. Why wait for all that. I'm using odex uvjl4 froyo stock rom with voodoo. Runs awesome.
Killing Zombies with my Voodoo Vibrant!
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Why is this the only suggestion EVER for lag on our vibrant?
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Why is this the only suggestion EVER for lag on our vibrant?
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Because whichever way you look at the RFS, it is still FAT based filesystem, inefficient and ancient, Voodoo converts that to a proper linux based filesystem that should've been on the phone from the get go.
Voodoo lag fix is the ultimate solution to the lag problem. 2.2.1. in combination with voodoo would make our devices that much better with increased cpu and file system performance over 2.2.
2.2.1 was ported to the Vibrant already. Heathen got everything working and it was amazing EXCEPT for a major bug. The phone would restart every time it picked up too much network strength signal (service bars). They tried fixing it for weeks but ultimately no one was able to fix this bug which is hiding somewhere in the radio of the Vibrant apparently. Ultimately 2.2.1 was dropped and development for it is now halted.
I believe there is some development for 2.3 (Gingerbread) from both TW, CM, and maybe Heathen as well but it appears it is still a bit too early to have daily-driver ROMs.
I hope this explains the situation.
Voodoo brought my vibrant a 1000 points higher on quadrant benchmark, everything is so much better, stop being a little biznatch xriderx66
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The OP is asking for like updates that improve speed and everyone goes VOODOOO!
I understand, I use voodoo too, and to the other guy explaining to me about RFS, I know that already lol.
Thanks for the advice, but actually i already have voodoo running. Its just that I was interested in finding a more stable option, especially something that did not require having an additonal install. BTW how come people are getting such great benchmark numbers with their voodoo vibrants. I was getting close to 1400 and just did a complete wipe and reinstall and now im getting about about 1000. Regardless of the numbers, the phone seems to be flying though, regardless of the bogus numbers..
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Thanks for the advice, but actually i already have voodoo running. Its just that I was interested in finding a more stable option, especially something that did not require having an additonal install. BTW how come people are getting such great benchmark numbers with their voodoo vibrants. I was getting close to 1400 and just did a complete wipe and reinstall and now im getting about about 1000. Regardless of the numbers, the phone seems to be flying though, regardless of the bogus numbers..
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make sure your /system, /data, /dbdata and /cache are ext4, you can check with adb shell or terminal emulator app via "mount" command.
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}{Alienz}{ said:
2.2.1 was ported to the Vibrant already. Heathen got everything working and it was amazing EXCEPT for a major bug. The phone would restart every time it picked up too much network strength signal (service bars). They tried fixing it for weeks but ultimately no one was able to fix this bug which is hiding somewhere in the radio of the Vibrant apparently. Ultimately 2.2.1 was dropped and development for it is now halted.
I believe there is some development for 2.3 (Gingerbread) from both TW, CM, and maybe Heathen as well but it appears it is still a bit too early to have daily-driver ROMs.
I hope this explains the situation.
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Any hope heathen's work might be usefull for porting to the Mobiulicity sold T499 Dart?
any chance of a build from heathean to test on mt dart?
I think source was released for the i9000's (not sure) 2.3.3 and if that is the case, I thought we'd start seeing work on 2.3.3 kernals with mods like BLN etc brought to the Vibrant.
Are some required ingredients still missing to do that kind of work, are we still waiting on something to get released before that work starts, or maybe the roms have work required before they'll start on the kernal. I'm not impatiently asking for the work to be done at all, I'm curious if the pieces are available to devs yet so that they can work on it.
Thanks for any input if you know what's going on. If you don't know then, well, go ahead an do what you do best.
From what I've been hearing from ttabbal, it seems that Samsung changed the way to gpu loads up by using the bootloader.
What this means is that, without a vibrant gb specific bootloader update (not and sbl.bin, but a boot.bin), then we will only have software rendering in everything graphical, and now viewable recovery screen.
And also, it's kernel, not kernal.
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Very informative amigo, thanks. So the rom will have those gpu issues and now a lot of the graphics stuff makes sense. It's funn that using 2.3 is in many? ways a step back in optimization right now instead of the step forward we hoped for like the nexus S #wishfulthinking
I still wonder if we have the capability yet to implement BLN, I enjoy having that and I guess CM7 has kernEls with something comparable so I could always go that route and specially since it sounds like CM7 has been smoothed out a lot.
I'm actually running CM7 right now and it's pretty smooth. I don't think I'll be going back to 2.2 on this phone unless something huge is offered.
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Sooo.. I'm not a fan of the crazy supermod kernels that add "tweaks" that improve only synthetic scores but kill your battery and are actually worse performing in real-world apps and cause other issues.
But damn, HTC has a HORRIBLE Bluetooth bitrate on A2DP. It's not the phone because one time I had a random ROM that had it sounding perfect, but whatever crap HTC has in there stock is awful.
Can anyone recommend one that doesn't do all the crazy stuff like SD/RAM "tweaks" but maybe only has things like dimmed capacatative buttons and the updated BT A2DP bitrate?
Or if I have to do this myself, what's a good way to get started?
Come on, no one?
Answer: Do it your self. Brah
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Answer: Do it your self. Brah
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He wasn't asking someone to developed a kernel, he was simply asking if one exists. Way to be a ****. I seriously have a hard time dealing with all the bull**** in the 3D forums.
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Can anyone recommend one that doesn't do all the crazy stuff like SD/RAM "tweaks" but maybe only has things like dimmed capacatative buttons and the updated BT A2DP bitrate?
Or if I have to do this myself, what's a good way to get started?
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I compiled a stock kernel with only dim leds and notification light blinking changed. If you tell me exactly what to change for the BT A2DP bitrate (or point to a kernel that has that change as a commit on github, etc), I'll do it for you.
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He wasn't asking someone to developed a kernel, he was simply asking if one exists. Way to be a ****. I seriously have a hard time dealing with all the bull**** in the 3D forums.
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Read the last sentence. Kthxbye lol
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ANYWAY.
Thanks mwalt. I'm actually using your kernel now with Clean/Senseless ROMs. I prefer no crazy crap in there, so I appreciate changing a few things that make sense and aren't experimental theoretical improvements.
My request is real though
Here's a big long thread about it, actually, to show I'm not crazy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-708685.html
Now.. to answer your question on where or what to change, after reading all that, I'm not sure I have an answer for you.
I know that the ROM in this thread works just fine:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316039
But of course, being CM7 based, it's still missing many things I need. Oddly though, unlike CM7 alpha, the BT audio worked just fine.
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I know that the ROM in this thread works just fine:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316039
But of course, being CM7 based, it's still missing many things I need. Oddly though, unlike CM7 alpha, the BT audio worked just fine.
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Do you happen to know what kernel empiire's rom is running? He doesn't say or give a source that I saw by quickly looking. I don't know enough to dig through the code myself and find it.
all my kernels have new / faster BT drivers...
GSM AOSP - pending
GSM SENSE - DONE
CDMA SENSE - DONE
CDMA AOSP = done
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318005
chad.goodman knows what he is doing!
I use the stockAnthraX kernel and it has just the right amount of tweaks that I need. Actually, I don't even think of them as tweaks...just making the phone do what it was designed to do.
Flash it...you won't regret it!
Just noticed mwalt had posted in here....his kernels were going to be my other suggestion! Both of them do quality work.
mwalt: The kernel for empires says it's from toastcfh, evo 3d #25 dirty. Something like that. I'm going from memory since I only flashed it to see if Bluetooth sounded good. And it sure did sound good. I have a few songs that are always an issue with HTCs settings and they were perfect.
I'll try out Chad's kernel to see if it's a kernel or other settings issue. If it's kernel, I'll have to research, hopefully with some help, where the setting truly is.
I've yet to check out how chad's performs in the car, but I have zero interest in overclocking anything. FSB, CPU, GPU, anything. This phone doesn't get the best battery life in general, and I have zero issues with 1.2ghz, so I see no reason to go higher. I use apps instead of just benchmarking, and those all work just great. In fact, some ROMS even set things back with tweaks that look good on paper (benchmarks) but actually break things like SD card read/write latency.
I personally recommend chad.goodman's kernals. I have flashed different kernals and different roms, testing each rom with each kernal. His always gave a better benchmark score, while remaining the most stable. I know that's not what your looking for however. Since that "phase" that I was going through flashing 4-6 roms a day, I have since stuck with flashing a new rom every few days to try them out. But I always, ONLY, flash his stock kernal, because it seems to me to make the phone run exactly as it should. I don't overclock or tweak it in any way, or use any apps to do so.
So basically I would say flash his stock kernal, don't worry about overclocking it or doing anything to change it, and try it out for a few days. I think you'll be pretty happy with the outcome.
Edit: I play games for 1-3 hours a day on my phone, text constantly and use the phone for everything it has, and I get 18-26 hours per charge. The rom I had stuck with mostly(Or always go back to) is CleanROM DE with his kernal, which now includes it.
I'd prefer not to OC, but the kernel has it set for 1.5 by default.
CleanROM DE isn't bad, but some of the tweaks cause real-world issues despite possible score gains. For instance, the SD Card speed fix actually slows down read/write rates in any real-world usages and even makes songs skip. The latency is horrible with that script in particular.
I have played multiple albums without running into any problems myself. All of my music is 320 CBR, and I use the stock music player. As far as score gains, I haven't ran a benchmark on this rom. I've gotten to where I just want a good stable rom, regardless of the benchmark scores, and of course one that works for me. I'm not saying it's your phone or SD Card, but honestly I haven't ran into any issues with the read or writing of my card. I'm also using the SD Card that came with the phone which I believe is class 4. I'm getting out of where I "know what I'm talking about" but it could also be the process you follow when flashing. I feel like I go through alot of un-needed steps while flashing roms/kernals. I flash a combination of different Wiping tools that format and optimize(Synergy Wipe for example) the partitions in EXT4. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it, but I can honestly say I haven't ran into any latency issues and especially no song skipping, even with the phone under heavy load(Music+Games/3DGames+Sometimes an open web tab or two and texting).
It could all just come down to each phone is different, even though they have the same hardware. Just like with PCs.
As far as OCing, I may not be correct(I'm probably not), but from what I read on chad.goodmans post along with others, the processor is approved/supported to run up to 1.512 by QUALCOMM, although it seems HTC says 1.188.
I'm not an expert on this at all, and if this isn't correct let me know. I'm just talking from experience and from my understandings of reading around on the forums.
Trust me, I try multiple things multiple times so I can single out the source of issues
Without SD Card tweak init.d scripts everything is fine. Introduce them into the mix, songs, album art, and the phone in general runs slow as it waits to build up the buffer before reading/writing. Now, benchmarks don't show this because during that buffer time there's no reading/writing so it's not measuring it. Once it actually writes it's slightly faster, but you can clearly see that the test is stalling out and it takes a LOT longer to complete.
As for chad's OC, I realize he's just doing what the chip is rated at, I'm not worried that he's got things set to some bad level, I just also realize that the chip is underclocked probably to save battery, and I'm fine with that speed so I'll take the power savings.
And finally.. the Anthrax kernel has the same A2DP issues as stock, so the bitpool setting is either not changed in it or the setting is elsewhere. I need to flash the other kernel I had from empire's rom to see if that alone can fix it.
Post your results once you finish testing it out, I'd like to know what they are haha!
Like I said I'm not into pushing my phone anymore, just looking for the best overall experience as possible with complete stability. However once in a great while I decide to flash some stuff and tweak it around to see how far my phone will go before freaking out ha.
Ok.. after another round of testing.
Looks like it's NOT a kernel thing after all. If I use Chad's anthrax kernel in a Sense ROM it doesn't change the quality of the BT A2DP streaming. But in an AOSP ROM, where the audio sounds good, using Chad's AOSP kernel still sounds good.
So it looks like there's some file/setting somewhere else that determines the bitrate or the BT drivers. Guess this isn't going to be as easy as I hoped.
Well at least you got that figured out haha. I'm still very interested in your findings so keep us updated! ^.^
I've always found that AOSP run better anyways, but I like Sense too much to get rid of it haha! However I'm looking forward to the bugs in the XPLOD ROM to be worked out, I flashed that one when it was released a few days ago and it seems pretty sick.
I would love to have an AOSP rom, but at this point the phone is missing functionality. I'll deal with Sense, so long as I can play music over BT and not cringe.
BT is important for the car because I can use steering controls
I have had an Incredible since about October of 2010 and it finally bit the dust and I have moved to the Fascinate because of the price and awesome reviews the phone has received.
I have a few questions about the Fascinate.
What known bugs does this phone have? Are the bugs specific to Froyo, Gingerbread or both?
Which stock ROM is better for this device, Froyo or Gingerbread? (I prefer Froyo for the Incredible)
Is there a mostly stock ROM for this phone that is completely stable, zero bugs and zippy?
What is the best and easiest root method?
Is there anything I need to do before I root?
Thanks for any help.
Take a look at my guide in the general section. Section 1 has i.structions for flashing imo one of the best froyo roms...its just a enhanced version of stock froyo that yields awsome battery life. I also have a section (5) on rooting, but its not needed if your flashing a custom rom. Pretty much all of the latest roms for the fascinate are pre rooted.
Thanks a lot! I will check this out over the weekend.
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I have had an Incredible since about October of 2010 and it finally bit the dust and I have moved to the Fascinate because of the price and awesome reviews the phone has received.
I have a few questions about the Fascinate.
What known bugs does this phone have? Are the bugs specific to Froyo, Gingerbread or both?
Which stock ROM is better for this device, Froyo or Gingerbread? (I prefer Froyo for the Incredible)
Is there a mostly stock ROM for this phone that is completely stable, zero bugs and zippy?
What is the best and easiest root method?
Is there anything I need to do before I root?
Thanks for any help.
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Welcome to the fascinate forums ej, I too came from an incredible not too long ago so here's a couple things that should help you out.
First, you do not need to root to flash a rom/recovery/whatever. Samsung apparently leaves the security pretty wide open so you're free to flash an alternate recovery in odin then flash the rom of your choice from there. This was a weird concept for me coming from the incredible, and I think a lot of people just assume that you need to root before flashing roms (as that's how it is with moto, HTC, etc) but that's not the case.
I don't know if you prefer stock or AOSP roms, on the stock front, I think there's Superclean, Geewhiz, and TSM resurrection. These should be quite stable stock-ish roms that don't have the bugs that AOSP roms do. AOSP roms (ICS/MIUI/CM7/TSM PoolParty) on the fascinate use a different and faster filesystem (MTD). I can't really comment on any roms but MIUI/CM7/ICS as that's all I've ever used personally. The AOSP bugs that I've run into (currently on CM7) are data issues - data will occasionally drop out requiring airplane mode toggle, or will get stuck on 1x after sending/receiving SMS. Also there's a weird thing where the earpiece volume during calls will default to a high volume (just requires a quick volume adjustment or tasker script). I don't always notice this happening though.
I'll probably think of more later on, those are just the ones that come to mind at the moment. Hope this helps.
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Welcome to the fascinate forums ej, I too came from an incredible not too long ago so here's a couple things that should help you out.
First, you do not need to root to flash a rom/recovery/whatever. Samsung apparently leaves the security pretty wide open so you're free to flash an alternate recovery in odin then flash the rom of your choice from there. This was a weird concept for me coming from the incredible, and I think a lot of people just assume that you need to root before flashing roms (as that's how it is with moto, HTC, etc) but that's not the case.
I don't know if you prefer stock or AOSP roms, on the stock front, I think there's Superclean, Geewhiz, and TSM resurrection. These should be quite stable stock-ish roms that don't have the bugs that AOSP roms do. AOSP roms (ICS/MIUI/CM7/TSM PoolParty) on the fascinate use a different and faster filesystem (MTD). I can't really comment on any roms but MIUI/CM7/ICS as that's all I've ever used personally. The AOSP bugs that I've run into (currently on CM7) are data issues - data will occasionally drop out requiring airplane mode toggle, or will get stuck on 1x after sending/receiving SMS. Also there's a weird thing where the earpiece volume during calls will default to a high volume (just requires a quick volume adjustment or tasker script). I don't always notice this happening though.
I'll probably think of more later on, those are just the ones that come to mind at the moment. Hope this helps.
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I saw you on these forums earlier and recognized you right away, I remember you from the Incredible forums for sure.
Thanks for the help, you answered many of my questions! A few more though...
Is the volume bug with all ROM's or just with certain ones?
How would you rate this phone against the Incredible, and can I use Mesmerize ROM's too? Would you recommend Froyo for this phone or Gingerbread?
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I saw you on these forums earlier and recognized you right away, I remember you from the Incredible forums for sure.
Thanks for the help, you answered many of my questions! A few more though...
Is the volume bug with all ROM's or just with certain ones?
How would you rate this phone against the Incredible, and can I use Mesmerize ROM's too? Would you recommend Froyo for this phone or Gingerbread?
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The volume bug is something that I've read is an issue with all MTD roms (CM7/MIUI/ICS), but in my experience, I've only noticed it a couple times, and I've only been on MTD roms since I got this phone a month or two ago. What I'm trying to say is, it's a pretty minor concern for me, but I don't actually talk on the phone all that much.
IMO, this phone is a nice upgrade coming from the incredible. Not galaxy nexus-like nice upgrade, but still, considering I sold my incredible for what I paid for the fascinate, it was totally worth it. One of the big things you'll notice coming from the incredible is the screen. I had an AMOLED incredible, and the SAMOLED on the fascinate is *much* better. You get a little more screen real estate (3.7" vs 4") and the display itself is just much more vibrant and closer to the actual glass part of the touchscreen that you interact with. Also, with voodoo color, you can tweak the display exactly to your liking, which is something I've definitely enjoyed being able to do.
Also, if you use your phone as a media player, you will love the WM8994 DAC used in the Galaxy S line. It sounds absolutely amazing paired with the voodoo control (app that lets you tweak sound and display) - considerably better than any ipod I've tested it side-by-side against. The audio quality alone will make it hard for me to upgrade, considering the DACs used in the newer generation devices like the Nexus or Galaxy SII are actually inferior to the one used in the original Galaxy S phones.
There is one downgrade coming from the incredible though, and that's the RAM (384MB vs 512MB), but I haven't run into any situation yet where the RAM was insufficient to do what I wanted to do. Also, if you're in to tweaking kernel things, you can do MUCH more with the kernels on this device compared to the incredible.
I'm not sure about mesmerize roms, I don't think you could use them on the fascinate unless they were modified. Are there any mes-specific roms you've seen that aren't available on the fascinate? As far as froyo vs GB, I can't really comment on that either since I've only used GB/ICS. Now that I think of it, aside from stock roms, I haven't seen any froyo roms around. But that's probably because I got the phone right around when GB finally officially came out for it.
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The volume bug is something that I've read is an issue with all MTD roms (CM7/MIUI/ICS), but in my experience, I've only noticed it a couple times, and I've only been on MTD roms since I got this phone a month or two ago. What I'm trying to say is, it's a pretty minor concern for me, but I don't actually talk on the phone all that much.
IMO, this phone is a nice upgrade coming from the incredible. Not galaxy nexus-like nice upgrade, but still, considering I sold my incredible for what I paid for the fascinate, it was totally worth it. One of the big things you'll notice coming from the incredible is the screen. I had an AMOLED incredible, and the SAMOLED on the fascinate is *much* better. You get a little more screen real estate (3.7" vs 4") and the display itself is just much more vibrant and closer to the actual glass part of the touchscreen that you interact with. Also, with voodoo color, you can tweak the display exactly to your liking, which is something I've definitely enjoyed being able to do.
Also, if you use your phone as a media player, you will love the WM8994 DAC used in the Galaxy S line. It sounds absolutely amazing paired with the voodoo control (app that lets you tweak sound and display) - considerably better than any ipod I've tested it side-by-side against. The audio quality alone will make it hard for me to upgrade, considering the DACs used in the newer generation devices like the Nexus or Galaxy SII are actually inferior to the one used in the original Galaxy S phones.
There is one downgrade coming from the incredible though, and that's the RAM (384MB vs 512MB), but I haven't run into any situation yet where the RAM was insufficient to do what I wanted to do. Also, if you're in to tweaking kernel things, you can do MUCH more with the kernels on this device compared to the incredible.
I'm not sure about mesmerize roms, I don't think you could use them on the fascinate unless they were modified. Are there any mes-specific roms you've seen that aren't available on the fascinate? As far as froyo vs GB, I can't really comment on that either since I've only used GB/ICS. Now that I think of it, aside from stock roms, I haven't seen any froyo roms around. But that's probably because I got the phone right around when GB finally officially came out for it.
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After spending some time with this phone I have some issues with it...
1. Lowest in-call volume is TOO HIGH!
2. Headset buttons don't work other than pause, play, answer, and end. (GAY!)
3. When I end a call and hit the power button to turn the screen off, it comes back on! (with Widget Locker) regular lock works fine to keep the screen off after a call. Hmm
4. Music playback doesn't seem to sound right. (sounds tinny)
5. Volume buttons turn the screen on! (What the hell?)
ejdavis72 said:
After spending some time with this phone I have some issues with it...
1. Lowest in-call volume is TOO HIGH!
2. Headset buttons don't work other than pause, play, answer, and end. (GAY!)
3. When I end a call and hit the power button to turn the screen off, it comes back on! (with Widget Locker) regular lock works fine to keep the screen off after a call. Hmm
4. Music playback doesn't seem to sound right. (sounds tinny)
5. Volume buttons turn the screen on! (What the hell?)
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try flashing the glitch v13.1 kernel, should help with in call volume...thats if your currently on a mtd rom. If your running a TW rom, then use the kgb kernel and use terminal to adjust call volume settings.
ejdavis72 said:
After spending some time with this phone I have some issues with it...
1. Lowest in-call volume is TOO HIGH!
2. Headset buttons don't work other than pause, play, answer, and end. (GAY!)
3. When I end a call and hit the power button to turn the screen off, it comes back on! (with Widget Locker) regular lock works fine to keep the screen off after a call. Hmm
4. Music playback doesn't seem to sound right. (sounds tinny)
5. Volume buttons turn the screen on! (What the hell?)
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1. I'm on glitch kernel and it's fine for me. You can also customize all sorts of volumes but I've just left em at the default.
2. What other functions are besides play, pause, answer/end aren't working? Track skipping? I have a pair of headphones with inline controls and nothing works on MTD roms for me, so your already a bit ahead of the curve in comparison.
3. Sounds like something with widgetlocker, not necessarily the phone.
4. Adjust settings in Voodoo control if you need. Music sounds *amazing* with my setup. I personally delete DSPmanager and just use VC.
5. This is something that can be turned on or off with CM7/MIUI. You didn't say what rom or kernel you're using so it's kinda hard to help.
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1. I'm on glitch kernel and it's fine for me. You can also customize all sorts of volumes but I've just left em at the default.
2. What other functions are besides play, pause, answer/end aren't working? Track skipping? I have a pair of headphones with inline controls and nothing works on MTD roms for me, so your already a bit ahead of the curve in comparison.
3. Sounds like something with widgetlocker, not necessarily the phone.
4. Adjust settings in Voodoo control if you need. Music sounds *amazing* with my setup. I personally delete DSPmanager and just use VC.
5. This is something that can be turned on or off with CM7/MIUI. You didn't say what rom or kernel you're using so it's kinda hard to help.
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Oh yeah, I totally forgot to tell you what ROM I'm using.
I'm on the Geewiz 2.3 Gingerbread ROM and kernel because I always like some goodies but I try to stay as close to stock as possible for stability reasons. I know the volume issue is with Widgetlocker but it didn't do that on the Dinc so, I have to have something to blame right? Ha...
Do the US Cellular Mesmerize phones have the same issues as our phones? Ya know like the headset control, in-call volume too high and all that?
Oh I gotcha, does the kernel you're using support voodoo sound? If not, I'd try out another one that does and then check out your music. And yes, I think the issues that are common to the phone affect the fascinate/mesmerize/showcase since they're essentially the same phone. I don't know much about touchwiz roms, but I'd suggest looking into a kernel with more features, you might be able to tweak those things that you're having an issue with.
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I have a guide to kernels for eh03 here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459905 all 3 tw kernels have voodoo sound as of latest updates iirc
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I tried the KGB kernel and it has an option to boost in-call volume but nothing to lower it. The tinny sound issue was my inline remote I use for the headphones, it had a faulty volume slider that needed some cleaning. Thanks for all your help!
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Oh I gotcha, does the kernel you're using support voodoo sound? If not, I'd try out another one that does and then check out your music. And yes, I think the issues that are common to the phone affect the fascinate/mesmerize/showcase since they're essentially the same phone. I don't know much about touchwiz roms, but I'd suggest looking into a kernel with more features, you might be able to tweak those things that you're having an issue with.
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Oh okay, I thought all theses issues were probably software issues with Verizon's ROM/kernel. Yes, Geewiz kernel supports voodoo.
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Well I guess this is my goodbye... I scored an awesome deal on a Motorola Droid Razr Maxx off of Craigslist and it's time for me to move on.. Thanks for all your help and I hope to see you all sometime in other forums.
I was wondering if anyone could help me. I recently upgraded to a nexus and at that same time a friend of mine broke her phone, so I gave her my fascinate with AOKP M6 on it...but she's getting sick of the bugs. Since I really have no way of testing I was hoping someone could help me make the decision of putting either a TW ROM or the latest CM 10 nightly on the fascinate.
I've been keeping an eye of the CyanogenMod gerrit and it looks like Jt1134 has made some serious headway, but can anyone give me their educated opinion? (I'm already running the nightlies on my nexus so I'm more interested in device specific bugs)
Thanks if you can help, I just have no way to test and I don't want to piss off a bug intolerant girl. ^-^
CM10 nightly is my suggestion... personally I've never had any real issues with it. The Devil Kernel 1.6.1 has been working great, but sticking with the stock kernel could be good for future releases. I much prefer using Devil because of the performance tweaks, but your friend probably won't care.
The TW rom will give rock solid stability too, but honestly... CM10 is so fast and smooth I can't see why anyone would bother with a GB rom anymore... especially since CM10 is practically bug free.
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CM10 nightly is my suggestion... personally I've never had any real issues with it. The Devil Kernel 1.6.1 has been working great, but sticking with the stock kernel could be good for future releases. I much prefer using Devil because of the performance tweaks, but your friend probably won't care.
The TW rom will give rock solid stability too, but honestly... CM10 is so fast and smooth I can't see why anyone would bother with a GB rom anymore... especially since CM10 is practically bug free.
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Thanks for the suggestion, yeah CM 10 looks like a very good option at the moment because of the now built in updater.
I also just remembered she was asking about the colors being washed out compared to stock, does the default CM 10 kernel come with anything to enhance that or would I need to flash devil kernel with Voodoo color? (She made it seem like a bit of a big deal so I promised I'd look into it)
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Thanks for the suggestion, yeah CM 10 looks like a very good option at the moment because of the now built in updater.
I also just remembered she was asking about the colors being washed out compared to stock, does the default CM 10 kernel come with anything to enhance that or would I need to flash devil kernel with Voodoo color? (She made it seem like a bit of a big deal so I promised I'd look into it)
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Hmm that's a good question. I've never really messed with tweaking the colors to be honest, and I've always used the CMC (Cyanogenmod Color) version of Devil because the VC one gives me a weird negative image flash when coming out of sleep mode. I'm sure there are some apps that will adjust color that she could get from the market, no matter which kernel it is. I think I even remember looking for the app that adjusts Voodoo Color and couldn't for the life of me find it. Sorry I can't be more help, the colors were always vibrant enough for me so I never really cared to adjust them
edit: Well I did find some basic color calibration settings under System Settings > Device > Advanced > Color Tuning. Not sure if it's going to be what she's looking for, but it seems to be a built in feature for the rom itself, and separate from the kernel options. The devil config manager I'm using doesn't have any color tuning options at all.
The app you were looking for was probably Voodoo Sound, a color calibration option becomes available in it if you're on a VC enabled kernel. It doesn't really matter though, it looks like I'll be flashing Devil kernel anyway as I just read some reports of "screen jumpiness" on the stock kernel in the devil kernel thread.
I'm not really sure what that means but I'd rather just avoid it entirely.
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The app you were looking for was probably Voodoo Sound, a color calibration option becomes available in it if you're on a VC enabled kernel. It doesn't really matter though, it looks like I'll be flashing Devil kernel anyway as I just read some reports of "screen jumpiness" on the stock kernel in the devil kernel thread.
I'm not really sure what that means but I'd rather just avoid it entirely.
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Those issues are almost always from someone who 'dirty flashed' instead of doing a proper data wipe and clean install. I've run on the stock kernel many times never experiencing those issues. That said, I still prefer the Devil kernel but I can see a couple of problems with her using that... 1) If a newer Devil Kernel is released, will she know enough to flash it? 2) If CM10 gets another partition change, or something that will break Devil, and she updates it could cause a boot loop, and 3) If she's not into customs roms as much as you she might go into devil settings and cause a lot of trouble if she's 'unhappy' with the performance. Food for thought
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Those issues are almost always from someone who 'dirty flashed' instead of doing a proper data wipe and clean install. I've run on the stock kernel many times never experiencing those issues. That said, I still prefer the Devil kernel but I can see a couple of problems with her using that... 1) If a newer Devil Kernel is released, will she know enough to flash it? 2) If CM10 gets another partition change, or something that will break Devil, and she updates it could cause a boot loop, and 3) If she's not into customs roms as much as you she might go into devil settings and cause a lot of trouble if she's 'unhappy' with the performance. Food for thought
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Good points, I think I'll start her on stock kernel for a few days and go from there if she needs better performance/color control. Anyway, It's good to know the fascinate community is still awesome!
Thanks for your help.
I am curious to what bugs she has been having. I have been using AOKP since ICS build 28 with very few bugs if any throughout all the builds. I have been very pleased even with stock kernel as to how fast and responsive it is. I know CM to be good as well but prefer the cherry picks Steve spear has built into some of his releases
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I am curious to what bugs she has been having. I have been using AOKP since ICS build 28 with very few bugs if any throughout all the builds. I have been very pleased even with stock kernel as to how fast and responsive it is. I know CM to be good as well but prefer the cherry picks Steve spear has built into some of his releases
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Apparently the browser randomly stops loading web pages and has to be force killed, MMS don't always come through, and...there were a couple more but I can't remember them at all.
I was really rushed when I flashed her phone and I'm pretty sure some of the stuff I put on there was in mid-development. (the kernel)
I have not had any problems with any web pages. MS6 for ICS should be stable although I am using the showcase on cspire network. Unfortunately I do not have picture/ MMS messaging to speak to that, but I know it has been a problem on several releases due to not wiping before flashing
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I agree that MS6 should have been a lot more stable, but my recommendation stands... go with CM10, it's just plain better
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Hmm that's a good question. I've never really messed with tweaking the colors to be honest, and I've always used the CMC (Cyanogenmod Color) version of Devil because the VC one gives me a weird negative image flash when coming out of sleep mode. I'm sure there are some apps that will adjust color that she could get from the market, no matter which kernel it is. I think I even remember looking for the app that adjusts Voodoo Color and couldn't for the life of me find it. Sorry I can't be more help, the colors were always vibrant enough for me so I never really cared to adjust them
edit: Well I did find some basic color calibration settings under System Settings > Device > Advanced > Color Tuning. Not sure if it's going to be what she's looking for, but it seems to be a built in feature for the rom itself, and separate from the kernel options. The devil config manager I'm using doesn't have any color tuning options at all.
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i agree with this, for the colors i go there to the color tuning, just make sure you use a CMC kernel and not voodoo color. anyways my settings are 1.0 for red and blue, and .887 for green with all the gammas at -40. it looks amazing, vivid and sharp and not over saturated.
Wow that does look pretty good, did you just figure this out yourself or are there guides on how to calibrate?
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Wow that does look pretty good, did you just figure this out yourself or are there guides on how to calibrate?
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i was just messing around with the colors in there and kept working down the gamma since im a sucker for vivid and non washed out colors lol, i ended up with them all the way negative but found out it had a tad of a green tone so i just moved the green slider back to where it looked about right. it is no one way calibrated or anything, just the best i could make make it look to my eyes.
If your friend really just wants a stable ROM, AOKP M6 should be their best bet. Likely the issue is that the phone has been upgraded many times; the best way to ensure a clean install of AOKP is to flash to stock in Odin then flash other things progressively to get to ICS. This post provides a great overview of the process.
exzacklyright.blogspot .com/2012/01/how-to-flash-ics-on-verizon-samsung.html
If your follow those steps for your friend, the issues with the browser should disappear. The end result? A bug free rom that makes everyone happy. I personally wouldn't suggest upgrading to CM10 unless your friend really just wants to upgrade their phone periodically.
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If your friend really just wants a stable ROM, AOKP M6 should be their best bet. Likely the issue is that the phone has been upgraded many times; the best way to ensure a clean install of AOKP is to flash to stock in Odin then flash other things progressively to get to ICS. This post provides a great overview of the process.
exzacklyright.blogspot .com/2012/01/how-to-flash-ics-on-verizon-samsung.html
If your follow those steps for your friend, the issues with the browser should disappear. The end result? A bug free rom that makes everyone happy. I personally wouldn't suggest upgrading to CM10 unless your friend really just wants to upgrade their phone periodically.
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I appreciate the response, sadly those are pretty much the exact steps I took to flash the fascinate before I gave it to her. I really don't know what's up with it, but why do you suggest staying on ICS?
I'm running the CM10 nightlies on my gnexus and the only real bug I have is ringtones reset to the default within the first day after flashing, after that it's pretty flawless. Are there some other bugs on the fascinate that I should be aware of?
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I appreciate the response, sadly those are pretty much the exact steps I took to flash the fascinate before I gave it to her. I really don't know what's up with it, but why do you suggest staying on ICS?
I'm running the CM10 nightlies on my gnexus and the only real bug I have is ringtones reset to the default within the first day after flashing, after that it's pretty flawless. Are there some other bugs on the fascinate that I should be aware of?
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That's too bad... I'm very surprised that there are still issues!
I'm pretty sure the fascinate isn't on the officially supported device list for CM10, which means that more bugs could be present, but honestly I'm not terribly familiar with that ROM. For me personally, I think ICS might be better since the voice search is much faster and there's more storage space or apps, but that's just me.
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That's too bad... I'm very surprised that there are still issues!
I'm pretty sure the fascinate isn't on the officially supported device list for CM10, which means that more bugs could be present, but honestly I'm not terribly familiar with that ROM. For me personally, I think ICS might be better since the voice search is much faster and there's more storage space or apps, but that's just me.
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The fascinate has been receiving official nightly cm10 builds for over a month, and due to recent partition layout changes, there is more storage space available than even a stock ROM.
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As much as I loved AOKP ICS M6, CM10 just blows it away. It's the best JB rom I've ever run, and with Devil 1.6.1 it's a beast :good:
are there any pics of cm10 anywhere and does the camera and camcorder work? Gapps seperate?