I think my usb/charging port is a bit loose. I was thinking about exchanging my 3D before my 30 days. I've resisted the urge to accept the OTA updates bc of the possible root exploit. Question is, if i do decide to exchange will the new phone come with all the OTA updates preinstalled? Or will i still be prompted to accept them once i boot and activate the phone. TIA
A: NO
MFD00M said:
I think my usb/charging port is a bit loose. I was thinking about exchanging my 3D before my 30 days. I've resisted the urge to accept the OTA updates bc of the possible root exploit. Question is, if i do decide to exchange will the new phone come with all the OTA updates preinstalled? Or will i still be prompted to accept them once i boot and activate the phone. TIA
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I just exchanged mine today after I installed the OTA's a couple days ago. They gave me new phone in box, I told them NOT TO ACCEPT the OTA's when they activated it. I did get the prompt but declined it and turned off scheduled checks. So I'm back to original, no OTA's. Did this about 5 hours ago.
I don't know why you guys would be worried the exploit attacks the kernel which is the same regardless of whether you excepted the OTA or not. In other words the OTA does not contain a change in kernels to my knowledge. If it did someone will be along shortly to correct me.
zone23 said:
I don't know why you guys would be worried the exploit attacks the kernel which is the same regardless of whether you excepted the OTA or not. In other words the OTA does not contain a change in kernels to my knowledge. If it did someone will be along shortly to correct me.
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My phone had legit issues, that's why I exchanged it but I'll hold off on OTA's on this one just in case. Kernels come in the form of OTA's, how else would they update on your phone? Please tell me you don't bring it in to sprint to update your kernel . Until it's fully rooted,with s-off, I'm not taking any updates. Phone works great out of box. Even green hornet 3d (need to get that the hell off there, waste of damn space)
And I'll quote you "to my knowledge" and "someone will be along shortly to correct me". I've just read enough to form this opinion. VERY WELL could be wrong.
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My phone had legit issues, that's why I exchanged it but I'll hold off on OTA's on this one just in case. Kernels come in the form of OTA's, how else would they update on your phone? Please tell me you don't bring it in to sprint to update your kernel . Until it's fully rooted,with s-off, I'm not taking any updates. Phone works great out of box. Even green hornet 3d (need to get that the hell off there, waste of damn space)
And I'll quote you "to my knowledge" and "someone will be along shortly to correct me". I've just read enough to form this opinion. VERY WELL could be wrong.
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Good but my point was the OTA did not bring a new kernel to my knowledge. Yes it is possible that HTC will close up the hole in the kernel in the future but as of now they haven't.
BTW Green Hornet is on your SDCard feel free to delete it when ever you like.
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In about an hour from now retail stores will be open early for this the "official" launch of the Evo 3D. I received mine yesterday morning and spent the next several hours putting it all together, from configurations to apps to screens. I decided not to get the OTA given the bugs reported. I've also read over the various threads, especially the one on bugs. As I type this, with my Evo 3D fully loaded with all my stuff, I must say I am experiencing no real issues of concern, and am but left with two questions for you knowledgeable folks:
1. The OTA doesn't seem to be bugging me, only if I go look for it via Settings will I get prompted to install it. I use Calengoo instead of the stock calendar (including widget) and all seems to be fine without the OTA, and I like having my phone icon on the lock screen, and at this point a hard reset would mean hours of work putting things together and configuring yesterday. So, you people who understand the world of OTA: if HTC fixes the bugs in the original OTA that many of you already installed, will they pull the one I am being prompted to install, and replace it with another one? In other words, if I wait, should this issue be fixed by HTC and I get an OTA prompt in the future that does not have the noted bugs with the pre-launch version?
2. The only issue is the Watch app. Can't watch the pre-installed 3D Green Hornet movie, cycles forever trying to download the license. I understand this has been fixed, also as an OTA. But I cannot seem to get past not accepting the first 26 meg buggy OTA to get to the second 2 meg Watch app OTA. Is there a way to get the Watch OTA without installing the original OTA? Am I missing something?
The only other comment is that even though I haven't been able to see the 3D Green Hornet movie because I don't know how to access the second OTA which apparently fixes the Watch app because I didn't install the first OTA which screws up the lock screen, looking at the samples and taking 3D pictures is going to take some getting used to! Oh yeah, I had already uploaded my 10000+ songs to Google Music Beta. What a great service. No more copying song files and filling up SD cards.
This is a great mobile phone. Although I wonder now that today will bring with it many thousands of new Evo 3D activations, if these OTA issues won't sent HTC off a cliff briefly. I am now about to install the Sprint Airave, for the full mobile experience. Good luck with your new Evo 3Ds...
If I'm not mistaken, which is possible since my 3vo is on it's way, the 2nd OTA is an App Update. The OTA should be accessible w/o the need of the 1st OTA. Or at least that is what I've heard while lurking on the forums. I would also like clarification on this from someone who has the OTAs, or just the 2nd OTA.
Thanks.
BTW 1st post. Time to bash the noob. 0_0
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If I'm not mistaken, which is possible since my 3vo is on it's way, the 2nd OTA is an App Update. The OTA should be accessible w/o the need of the 1st OTA. Or at least that is what I've heard while lurking on the forums. I would also like clarification on this from someone who has the OTAs, or just the 2nd OTA.
Thanks.
BTW 1st post. Time to bash the noob. 0_0
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From one noob (who posted the original questions) to another! That is essentially my question. I would like to have access to the second app update OTA for Watch. But get this recent development: I just went a few moments ago to Settings/System Updates/HTC Software Update and did a check, I am NOW prompted that everything is up to date! In other words, NO OTAs are appearing. What is going on here I wonder? HTC must have pulled the OTA because of the bugs noted, so I guess I'll never see the 3D movie pre-installed. How will life go on?
Scratch that...
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From one noob (who posted the original questions) to another! That is essentially my question. I would like to have access to the second app update OTA for Watch. But get this recent development: I just went a few moments ago to Settings/System Updates/HTC Software Update and did a check, I am NOW prompted that everything is up to date! In other words, NO OTAs are appearing. What is going on here I wonder? HTC must have pulled the OTA because of the bugs noted, so I guess I'll never see the 3D movie pre-installed. How will life go on?
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I tried the update again and indeed was just prompted to install the FOTA update 1.13.651.7 (26.59 MB). If I hit CANCEL, which I have done since getting the Evo 3D yesterday, that's that, no option to install the Watch App OTA update. Perhaps some of the learned folks here can help me in my confusion...
Should I do the update? I was worried about the unlock bootloader.
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if htc unlocks the boot loader you will have to OTA update anyway ....
i did it 5 minutes after i walked out of sprint store because the rep told me i had to have it to get netflix. netflix still doesn't show up in market. i had to get an apk and load it myself. if it is locked already what is an OTA going to hurt?
The problem here is if HTC doesn't unlock........Anyone who has taken the update may have unknowingly patched an exploit that our devs are using, attempting to gain root access.
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i did it 5 minutes after i walked out of sprint store because the rep told me i had to have it to get netflix. netflix still doesn't show up in market. i had to get an apk and load it myself. if it is locked already what is an OTA going to hurt?
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If they only 'unlock' (or stop crypto-signing) the bootloader that doesn't guarantee us anything besides that. So we might still have to root the OS, which that OTA is likely a patch against (in addition to other things).
Or they are just going to 'unlock' the bootloader and give us s=off and then we can go wild and not worry about it.
I'm not taking that chance...
...besides, if the devs here get root before HTC--or HTC flakes out--I want in, and declining OTA's is a great way to insure the best chance for root in that circumstance.
Besides, my phone runs great and I haven't missed a single feature....a few FC's here and there, but, big deal....
The way I look at it, if you buy the phone a week from now, it'll already have the OTA on it out of the box anyway. Root will happen eventually, and people won't stop hacking the phone if they can only root 3vo's that came out in the first week of production. No dev is going to want to publish a root that only works on the first week's production. That's like saying "look at me... I have a small p3n15". They won't give up until every OTA is cracked.
Mike
There is another possible benefit. I am not sure which version the engineering bootloader is, but generally, those are a hot commodity. It may be that the official unlocked hboot will have its own limitations. An eng hboot may be more desired. In today's EVO 4G, you cannot downrev to an eng hboot after you have acquired a certain version.
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The way I look at it, if you buy the phone a week from now, it'll already have the OTA on it out of the box anyway. Root will happen eventually, and people won't stop hacking the phone if they can only root 3vo's that came out in the first week of production. No dev is going to want to publish a root that only works on the first week's production. That's like saying "look at me... I have a small p3n15". They won't give up until every OTA is cracked.
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You have a point!
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Yes
I did no worries
I got the update not long after I left Sprint from purchase. I didnt think anything of it and took the update. Like one member has said, Netflix was not available to me until after I did the update.
If I'm in a bad situation with gaining root doing this update, oh well. Something is bound to happen after some time. No worries here.
I did both updates as soon as I pulled it out of the box.
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I did all of them hoping HTC keeps their word
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i didn't wanna but i had to
I did! Not worried about root, it will happen when it happens. Meanwhile, I'm great with the phone as it is, especially since you can get rid of a lot of the sprint bloat and move most apps to the sd card.
I ran it as soon as I activated the phone in hopes that it included the unlocked bootloader... needless to say, I was disappointed
God I just need to vent......
My ear phone speaker was blown so I cleared everything, reverted to stock with hboot 1.4 and s-on and took it to the store and asked them to fix the ear piece for me.
While he was entering data he asked if everything else was ok with the phone. I said ya it was pretty sweet, then slipped and told him it sometimes it was kinda buggy and froze some but no worries really.
He looks at me and says oh I'll take a look at it for you. Of course noticing there was an update he told me about it. I told him I'm not one for updates... if it isn't broke don't fix it right?
He looks at me and says "I see, well we will see if this solves your problem and updates to 2.08"
8(
Now I have a phone with a new ear speaker and hboot 1.5
Cheers.
tl;dr sprint tech updated my phone to 2.08 after I told him not too
Take that **** back and say you didn't want the update.
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Take that **** back and say you didn't want the update.
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... and then get terminated by sprint because of their ****ty customer service
like a bau5
are you still S-off? I guess u can flash stock RUU to retain ur old hboot.
You shouldve slapped him
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You shouldve slapped him
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I laughed. This made my day.
That sounds like a sprint rep, when I bought my 3d the guy was activating it on my account and then said oh there's an update available let me get that for you, even after I specifically told him DO NOT UPDATE THIS PHONE. He just did it anyway like an ass.
Shoot_This said:
God I just need to vent......
My ear phone speaker was blown so I cleared everything, reverted to stock with hboot 1.4 and s-on and took it to the store and asked them to fix the ear piece for me.
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can you please let me know how to revert back to stock and s-on? I have to take my phone to repair as well but don't knpw how to turn back to stock.
cheers!
brownhornet said:
You shouldve slapped him
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr-xsQvhgw
Never revert to stock for hardware issues. I pay every month for insurance, they will fix the phone. Most say that my phone is awesome & can I root theirs
justj said:
can you please let me know how to revert back to stock and s-on? I have to take my phone to repair as well but don't knpw how to turn back to stock.
cheers!
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Download the PG86IMG RUU you will find in the development section
put it on sdcard
boot into bootloader
flash update
type 'oem writesecureflag 3' into a terminal to give s-on
just leave it stock unrooted with s-off.
then they can update all they want and you have a way back.
hell just flash the latest hboot so they have nothing to blame it on.
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That sounds like a sprint rep, when I bought my 3d the guy was activating it on my account and then said oh there's an update available let me get that for you, even after I specifically told him DO NOT UPDATE THIS PHONE. He just did it anyway like an ass.
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That sucks man, for the OP and you. When I got mine the update thing came up and I told the rep to not update it, he said "ok no problem, just know that updates sometimes fix things" but hit cancel right away anyway.
I guess it depends who you get you know? =\ If I was in your shoes though, I would have just asked for a new one right there since you were just buying it.
same thing happened to me. it sucks
boost happy said:
Never revert to stock for hardware issues. I pay every month for insurance, they will fix the phone. Most say that my phone is awesome & can I root theirs
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This is so absolutely true. It makes me physically cringe when I see people clamoring to unroot their phones because they have to make a visit to Sprint.
They.Just.Don't.Care.
EVERY time I've gone in, I've gone in Rooted, and EVERY time, i've not only gotten exactly the same service I should expect, but usually, end up getting into a conversation with a rep about some new feature that Ive gotten, usually ending up providing dropbox links for apks, advice, etc.
<<bringing it since 2010>>
I am not sure if this will work every time, but when I was in, I left the SD Card in my pocket. When they returned it they mentioned that they were going to update for me but since there wasn't a card in it they couldn't. I have to take out back in. I think it needs to be replaced so hopefully I can get lucky again.
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Yeah, if it's hardware related, what does rooting have to do with that? lol
I have never walked into a Sprint Store in my life with reverted phone software. They take it like it is or I raise hell.
Most, if not all software issues can be resolved by simple trial and error, searching the forums, or a bit of know-how.
Hardware issues are the ONLY reason why one from XDA should ever visit a Sprint Store for phone assistance.
In a case like this, it might be a good idea to temproot and remove the security certs...the phone will download the update, but the actual installation will fail
When I bought my 3d launch day, I told the rep not to even open the box, that I would set it up and if I had problems come back.
With my OG evo I had the speaker replaced twice, both times, fully rooted with cyanogenmod. Told him I tried on stock rom and speaker was still distorted. Both times, replaced with no problem.
As mentioned before, they don't care so long as they have common sense. If it is an obvious hardware issue don't sweat it.
<-- Sprint Lead Tech
Ok I'm a lead tech at an S&R location in TX. I root every phone I get and encourage my customers to do the same (if they seem capable). While Sprint discourages rooting phones, they eliminated the prior rule about not working on rooted devices a while ago. The only thing techs won't be able to assess is software, unless they're like me and love seeing rooted devices. That being said, any and all hardware issues are to be fixed as stated by Sprint Service and Repair policy. Best thing is to just be honest and let the tech know what's going on and why you don't want anything updated. I'll keep working on pushing phone unlocking from the inside, you guys keep making progress in development.
Let me know if you guys need anything.
I keep getting a msg prompt to set my time/time zone, and it's been happening since before my very recent unlocking of the bootloader/adding twrp. called sprint today, and apparently the tech has it set up so that my phone will receive some updates once I shut it down for one minute and then let it sit uninterrupted for at least three minutes. I asked if he was pushing through the latest ota and gave him some BS about why I didn't want that if that was his intention. he replied that things needed to update and that it wouldn't be anything not specifically intended for this phone, nothing that wasn't approved. my phone is def having some other issues, like certain people sometimes can't call me (which just started yesterday, a day after unlocking the bootloader/adding twrp.) it's also adding spaces in words while Swyping, which also just started. basically, something's goofed.
so, should I accept whatever updates they want to send? should I do anything else? what would you do?
thanks.
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I keep getting a msg prompt to set my time/time zone, and it's been happening since before my very recent unlocking of the bootloader/adding twrp. called sprint today, and apparently the tech has it set up so that my phone will receive some updates once I shut it down for one minute and then let it sit uninterrupted for at least three minutes. I asked if he was pushing through the latest ota and gave him some BS about why I didn't want that if that was his intention. he replied that things needed to update and that it wouldn't be anything not specifically intended for this phone, nothing that wasn't approved. my phone is def having some other issues, like certain people sometimes can't call me (which just started yesterday, a day after unlocking the bootloader/adding twrp.) it's also adding spaces in words while Swyping, which also just started. basically, something's goofed.
so, should I accept whatever updates they want to send? should I do anything else? what would you do?
thanks.
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WEll the newest OTA fixed the time zone popups. Thats why he was trying to push the OTA to your device. But if u check for an Update maunually, it should give you a prompt for an update if you havent already done so. if u wanna stay Stock and your already unlocked, i would just flash the Rooted Stock ROM. I wouldnt take that OTA directly from Sprint.
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WEll the newest OTA fixed the time zone popups. Thats why he was trying to push the OTA to your device. But if u check for an Update maunually, it should give you a prompt for an update if you havent already done so. if u wanna stay Stock and your already unlocked, i would just flash the Rooted Stock ROM. I wouldnt take that OTA directly from Sprint.
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I guess I should mention I'm 1.1.
zedomax posted a link to get the rooted version of .3 - would that fix this?
I'm not sure if all of these have been addressed or have a direct answer, but I just wanted to compile everything into
a concise post that I can refer to.
I SHOULD be getting my DNA in the mail today and it SHOULD be fresh out of the box and I am basing the questions off
of that.
Reason for rooting is mainly for the wifi tether app, since I have unlimited data and rather use that then pay for actual service.
1.) Since it should be fresh out of the box are the chances of it being unupdated likely? If so this means I can root it, correct?
2.) I'm pretty new in the rooting field, having only recently rooted my thunderbolt. How comparable will the process be to that?
I had to backdate the software or firmware to be able to do so and am hoping since this is new it wont require that.
3.) I haven't messed with roms too much and was looking at the ViperDNA rom, what would the perks of doing this be? Cons?
I may have future questions later, but this is all I can think of atm.
Thanks ahead of time!
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I'm not sure if all of these have been addressed or have a direct answer, but I just wanted to compile everything into
a concise post that I can refer to.
I SHOULD be getting my DNA in the mail today and it SHOULD be fresh out of the box and I am basing the questions off
of that.
Reason for rooting is mainly for the wifi tether app, since I have unlimited data and rather use that then pay for actual service.
1.) Since it should be fresh out of the box are the chances of it being unupdated likely? If so this means I can root it, correct?
2.) I'm pretty new in the rooting field, having only recently rooted my thunderbolt. How comparable will the process be to that?
I had to backdate the software or firmware to be able to do so and am hoping since this is new it wont require that.
3.) I haven't messed with roms too much and was looking at the ViperDNA rom, what would the perks of doing this be? Cons?
I may have future questions later, but this is all I can think of atm.
Thanks ahead of time!
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I can almost guarantee you that the OTA will be installed on it and you will not be able to do anything with it until an exploit is found.
The root and S-off process is very easy if you are on the old firmware.
Crap, really? It's the same, power on + vol down process correct?
Even booting up the phone, this is talking if the OEM isn't updated, won't auto start the update, will it?
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Crap, really? It's the same, power on + vol down process correct?
Even booting up the phone, this is talking if the OEM isn't updated, won't auto start the update, will it?
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Nope. Well ya but you can decline it.
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Nope. Well ya but you can decline it.
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Well I'm hoping that it will be this way. Should definitely be getting it today and will check it out.
If I can't even root it, I don't know if I will even be activating it.
nived09 said:
Well I'm hoping that it will be this way. Should definitely be getting it today and will check it out.
If I can't even root it, I don't know if I will even be activating it.
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Boot it up without the sim in it. Let us know, as of last week I would have told you that it's probably not updated. But its been a few days since I've known anyone that got one new in the box.
If it's not updated and you would like me to help you pull and supercid and unlock just send me a pm. If you get offered the update you will want to defer it like 5 days I think is the most it allows.
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Boot it up without the sim in it. Let us know, as of last week I would have told you that it's probably not updated. But its been a few days since I've known anyone that got one new in the box.
If it's not updated and you would like me to help you pull and supercid and unlock just send me a pm. If you get offered the update you will want to defer it like 5 days I think is the most it allows.
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Got a few -new in box cause I convinced a few retarded reps referbs were the issue- from Verizon n one from amazon. All 2.04
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Yea, I just got it an hour or so ago and booted right into the loader and asked in the IRC and I guess the OTA
was already accepted, so I'm sol for a bit.
Not even going to bother activating it, since I mainly use root for tethering.
I picked up the DNA in San Diego from BB for an upgrade on Verizon. It came with Software 1.15.605.4 710RD. I've s-off'd, root'd & TWRP'd with ease. Now I just need CM10.1 and I'll be happy.
I might fly to France and b-slap the CEO of the company who put the DCMA in.