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Hi All,
I came across a few articles online that suggest that the task managers/killers actually do more harm than good. As far as I know, the Android OS is pretty good at multitasking and managing apps when it is needed to free RAM/CPU.
Would like to hear input specifically regarding the X10 and how these apps affect the system and/or phone specially after the 2.1 update?
Thanks!
Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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I've read online about how closing some apps such as mediascape will affect your other media applications cos these services are tied together. But I've always killed all of the ones I don't see myself needing in the next hour or so, and nothing's ever really crashed for me heh.
But I do make it a point to close all apps before running quadrant. Very very pleased with my 730 score
som3noob said:
Well aince I got to 2.1 Ive havent found the need to download a task killer. Its been stable with 100-140mb constant no matter how many apps I open. But in 1.6 I was getting 20mb if I didnt use task killer lol im guessing the need for task killer as the os upgrades gets less and less as 2.2 really gets ****ed by it lol
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Dumb question, how do you check the RAM?
Best get something like autokiller memory optimizer.
You generally don't need much ram free and if you don't use apps that will eat the hell out of your system in the bg then there's no problem at all.
I haven't used a task killer since switching to 2.1 and there's no performance problems.
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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gaolinde said:
I still facing ram problem even after upgrade 2.1, hope no need any task killer anymore once we get 2.2
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Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
By automatism, after I updated to 2.1 I installed advanced task killer, and at one point I noticed that, whean I had killed apps ammount of free RAM decereased ? So at that point, I uninstalled task killer to check will I notice any change in performance, and there was NONE I could notice, together with same battery duration.
So, so far I vote for no task killers.
batman_112 said:
Not sure if the X10 will get 2.2. Looks like 2.1 is the end of the road for us.
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come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
gaolinde said:
come on we have 2.2 custom rom on the way.
and good new is i just tested the custom room it appeared froyo managed ram really well, i launched a ton of software and still having more than 100mb of free ram.
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Yeah I know we have custom ROMs. I was referring to the official update from SE. I know we will get the UXP update sometime in the future but, not sure if they will go as far as releasing a 2.2 update for the X10?
I don't use it anymore since on 2.1, when using it on 2.1 there's a lot of glitches and it DOES do more harm than good. I get better overall performance without it.
I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
alankstiyo said:
I use it, facebook, skype start by themselves and drain my battery
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Yes but, according to Android developers, 2.1 automatically closes these idle programs to prevent that. They claim that android is capable of handling this and that any task manger apps are useless.
Read this article http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Since upgrade to 2.1, I installed Task Killer. It cleaned my memory to have available mem from 80MB to 150MB. However, it got some weired behaviour such as
- X10 got lag for a moment when the screen is just back on.
- when the screen is just back on, Wifi cannot reconnect. I have to disable and enable it again.
So I read to post of Android multitasking and I try it by disable AutoKill but keep the widget on the sceen to see the available mem.
My mem keep available around 70-80MB and X10 performance is increase. No more lag or have to re-enable wifi after screen is back on.
I already remove Taskkiller but installed Watchdog instead. Because there are some bad coding software out there which comsume the battery and CPU even you've exited. In such a case, I have to kill those apps manually.
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X10i Generic Android 2.1, rooted, JIT enable.
You want the memory to be as full as possible!!! This means that those often used tasks are there, waiting. This is not Windows! Stop forcing Android to reload everything from scratch! No wonder things are lagging for you.
I've done many experiment about it.
Here's few conclusion, everything you guys claims are all true.
Android is nix base, fulfilling ram mean more cache, more speed.
However, more process mean more CPU usage in some service.
Some softwares are not properly coded, it, unfortunately, doesn't release the resource when it exits
And it's also true that force killing it, will eat more battery because without properly closing, it will eventually open up again
I suggest, instead of killing a task using ATK.
try this one.
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller
It teaches android how to deal with the memory, so it's android who do your dirty job.
Hmm.... I take a look at at autokiller. I think it's better to let Android handle the mem for me. What I'm looking for is an apps that monitor backgound processes/apps that consumes CPU and memory which they should not.
Once identify those apps, I need to kill them individually.
Watchdog paid version suits me well on this purpose. I can put those apps in the blacklist. If they consumes more CPU in the background process, Watchdog will kill them automatically.
I may consider autokiller when I have of low memory warning from my X10 which is currently I have not.
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X10i Generic Android 2.1, rooted, JIT enabled.
I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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PollPixx said:
I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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Try install these app
1. RamDroid
2. Advance Task Killer- set the killing frequency to 'switch screen off'
3. CpuTuner (setcpu)- i prefer use the 'ondemand' frequency cos i wan to conserve battery.
all free app.. and need rooted phones. it quite user friendly. jus play with it awhile, u'll know how to use.
PollPixx said:
I do without but my phone is seriously laggy at times, it drops under 20mb free ram within seconds after rebooting, extremely annoying! I heard things about jit, but I really have no idea how it works. Also I have a mac, so all those adb needed programs I can't run.
Is there any good application which can make my phone quicker? Now I have some times half screens by sliding through pages in the launcher, that can't be normal!
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I'm using minfreemanager from market with aggressive option, what gives me ~70MB free RAM by the Android's native taskkiller. It's the best choice as of the 2.1 have a lot services running in backround and nobody should harm them.
Trust me, minfreemanager is your weapon against slowness
I heard it was bad using a task killer. is it true? If it is, what cpu watcher should i use. Is watchdog an option. Let me know thanks. I heard it doesnt work for froyo, the task killers.
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Yes, I heard and read that in this Forum. I visited the other Forum and they write same issue.
Voelker45 said:
I heard it was bad using a task killer. is it true? If it is, what cpu watcher should i use. Is watchdog an option. Let me know thanks. I heard it doesnt work for froyo, the task killers.
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Then whats the best way to manage cpu?
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let android do that.
linux is different from windows. period
If three processes are killing memory, kill 3 processes! Advanced task killer and Is monitor work fine for me
Sometimes your better off just ignoring arguments. Linux has PS and TOP to view processing. Kill lid is as Unix as there is O hack away
rendeiro2005 said:
let android do that.
linux is different from windows. period
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Why? If things are dickies, stop them and remove if persistent as problems.. they are safe to kill all day
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A quick overview for you..
Android, in theory, manages it's memory allocation under the premise that free memory is wasted memory.. so it fills the memory up with apps that you use, to a point, keeping a small amount free for caching etc.. when you launch something that will take your memory allocation over the preset limit then it will drop something out of memory that hasn't been used in a while..
However.. there are occasions where Android 2.1 doesn't seem to manage things perfectly and the x10 slows down.. so to remedy this you can kill a few "user initiated" tasks..
This is where many people get into problems.. They download something like ATK and set it to aggressive autokill and then it kills system apps which the system either needs (and so you get operational problems with the phone) or it restarts them.. ATK kills them again.. the system restarts them... etc.. (using the battery more quickly).
There are also some apps which are badly written and don't sleep when "minimised" wasting battery.
So the solution is to get a task killer of some sort and use it manually when you need it.. make sure you set "persistent" apps and system apps to ignore, then you should just be left with stuff you've installed.. and you can kill those all day long!
im_icemen is right, you need a good task killer. Personally I use ES Task Manager, if you set a good ignore list you can use its widget which makes everything faster
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I use spare parts and set killing to aggressive
I use ATK but with no Auto-Kill at all. Every now and then I find an app move a little slowly and manually kill a couple of tasks then, and I find YX Player doesn't always drop out of memory after playing a video and stops the lockscreen so I kill it too.
But its not often I have to use it.
Some say task killers cause harm to anDroiD. But personally i feel task killers are must.. itsm quickly kills tasks, frees up memories and boosts up system..
HIT THANKS BUTTON IF HELPED IN
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''Autokiller memory optimizer'' does the trick for me. Its not a task killer in the usual sense. It just allows you to adjust memory thresholds. I set it to moderate and i have no problems with speed or anything like that.
Edit: The reason why some say task killers are bad is due to the possibility of battery drain. Depending on how they are configured the rate of task killing can rapidly deplete the battery.
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I have CM7 stable on my NC and a few friends told me to get Advanced Task Killer to help battery. I had read somewhere that you should get task killers on android, can anyone explain why? and should i get it?
No task killer.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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No task killer.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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does it ruin my battery?
EverythingNook said:
does it ruin my battery?
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Android has a good memory manager that kills things as you use the device. The API for task killers was removed in froyo, and all versions since then, so while they might seem to work, the apps will just restart every time, which causes excess cpu usage, which equals more battery drain.
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Absolutely get ATK, I've used it for a year on my Droid and it's invaluable, even with Froyo. Sometimes my phone would get so slow from so many apps running that I can barely get ATK started. Then after I kill everything my phone is back to normal. What's funny is that IOS is a much more capable operating system in this regard. I can have tons of stuff open and nothing slows down, not so on Android.
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Absolutely get ATK, I've used it for a year on my Droid and it's invaluable, even with Froyo. Sometimes my phone would get so slow from so many apps running that I can barely get ATK started. Then after I kill everything my phone is back to normal. What's funny is that IOS is a much more capable operating system in this regard. I can have tons of stuff open and nothing slows down, not so on Android.
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Maybe so, but ATK doesn't kill them. They will always restart. If you must clear apps from memory go to settings>applications>manage applications then hit running and close all unwanted apps. Some will restart, but not all.
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zanderman112 said:
Maybe so, but ATK doesn't kill them. They will always restart. If you must clear apps from memory go to settings>applications>manage applications then hit running and close all unwanted apps. Some will restart, but not all.
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What is head. ATK sucks battery and Android has great memory management already.
Hi, I am using Wolf's ROM v4.0.3 with UV Kernel and I noticed that my phone always maintains around ~56MB of free RAM. However, it also kills all my running apps the moment they go into the background, which causes a lot of problems.
E.g. I've opened a page using Opera Mini and i use task manager to switch temporarily to the music player. When I switch back to opera mini, the app's reloads from scratch (shows the loading screen) and shows the Welcome page instead of the page I was previously accessing.
This situation is very unpleasant and makes me want to thrash the phone. All the OC, UV and butter smooth UI is of no use if the android system starts killing my open apps on its own discrection. I never faced such a scenario with my 2.1 stock ROM running minfreemanager and even the stock 2.3.3 ROM didn't raise such issues (though it wasn't as fast, either). I need a solution to this issue. Please advise.
bbsrailfan said:
Hi, I am using Wolf's ROM v4.0.3 with UV Kernel and I noticed that my phone always maintains around ~56MB of free RAM. However, it also kills all my running apps the moment they go into the background, which causes a lot of problems.
E.g. I've opened a page using Opera Mini and i use task manager to switch temporarily to the music player. When I switch back to opera mini, the app's reloads from scratch (shows the loading screen) and shows the Welcome page instead of the page I was previously accessing.
This situation is very unpleasant and makes me want to thrash the phone. All the OC, UV and butter smooth UI is of no use if the android system starts killing my open apps on its own discrection. I never faced such a scenario with my 2.1 stock ROM running minfreemanager and even the stock 2.3.3 ROM didn't raise such issues (though it wasn't as fast, either). I need a solution to this issue. Please advise.
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I think this is the autokiller tweak, aka minfree, and it kills apps every now and then to free RAM.
Switch Roms if you need to.
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Prodigy said:
I think this is the autokiller tweak, aka minfree, and it kills apps every now and then to free RAM.
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I don't have minfree or any other autokiller apps installed right now but the problem persists. I have tried disabling the "screen off" profile in CPU Master, doesn't make a difference. The only way to keep an app running is to keep it in the foreground.
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I don't have minfree or any other autokiller apps installed right now but the problem persists. I have tried disabling the "screen off" profile in CPU Master, doesn't make a difference. The only way to keep an app running is to keep it in the foreground.
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Its a tweak in Wolf's ROM in built. Thats the reason we get a good and smooth ROM
I guess the best way to fix this problem will be to switch to stock ROM.
Also you can perhaps report this to Wolf... He must have a solution...
Hi,
I have gs3, rooted, running on stock firmware 4.1.2.
the problem im facing is usually after a day of usage, the ram reaches 700mb. and even when I try to clear ram, it only closes 1 app and doesnt clear much of my ram.
I have done some research regarding this issue, and I know how linux handle ram differently than windows, but this high consumption of ram really is lagging down my phone. (harder to type, delay when flipping through home screen etc)
any solution for this? is there an app that really "clears" up ram?
thanks in advance.
waszumteufel said:
Hi,
I have gs3, rooted, running on stock firmware 4.1.2.
the problem im facing is usually after a day of usage, the ram reaches 700mb. and even when I try to clear ram, it only closes 1 app and doesnt clear much of my ram.
I have done some research regarding this issue, and I know how linux handle ram differently than windows, but this high consumption of ram really is lagging down my phone. (harder to type, delay when flipping through home screen etc)
any solution for this? is there an app that really "clears" up ram?
thanks in advance.
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Install Greenify from the Google Playstore and use it to hibernate the memory hogging apps. That will also help save your battery. Also, never close apps forcibly.
See multiple identical posts try and actually understand android and how it uses ram .
As said Greenify + Startup Manager +360 Mobile Safe + Update Firmware .
Lag is usually firmware have a look at Lag Fix also .
Hamza18 said:
Install Greenify from the Google Playstore and use it to hibernate the memory hogging apps. That will also help save your battery. Also, never close apps forcibly.
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I'll give it a shot. thanks a lot! :good:
JJEgan said:
See multiple identical posts try and actually understand android and how it uses ram .
As said Greenify + Startup Manager +360 Mobile Safe + Update Firmware .
Lag is usually firmware have a look at Lag Fix also .
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I know "unused RAM is wasted RAM" adage. it just Im hoping android left some for me for app Im using.
im still using stock firmware, would try to play around with custom firmware in near future.
thanks for the suggestions. will report back asap!