I find that setting setCPU to 450 mhz (900 mhz because of the dual core) the phone works perfectly for my day to day use.
Would underclocking to 450 mhz from 1000 mhz save a lot of battery, or the process of underclocking would take battery to make it equivalent to leaving regular clock.
Not really sure. I've had it set so it goes to 400mhz when the screens off since I had it. I'm sure it helps a little but i doubt it's going to make you get as extra day of battery or anything
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I find that setting setCPU to 450 mhz (900 mhz because of the dual core) the phone works perfectly for my day to day use.
Would underclocking to 450 mhz from 1000 mhz save a lot of battery, or the process of underclocking would take battery to make it equivalent to leaving regular clock.
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I have to intervene here. When you set it to 450 its not 900 because of the dual core. the cores dont add up speeds.
The Atrix doesnt have a 2ghz processor because its 1ghz but two cores.
But to answer your question - yes you would save battery, but the phone would be very slow because you would be at 450 (not 900 or 1ghz)
i have mine set at 600mhz and its fine through the day though i dont do it for battery but to keep it nice and cool(that 1ghz makes it 60C+ easy) but i guess it helps
You have to consider that a lower clock speed means that the CPU must process things for a longer period of time. Sure at a lower speed it will process using less power but the longer period of time it needs to process may mean that the total power consumption is still the same or even higher since the CPU still consumes power simply by being turned on.
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You have to consider that a lower clock speed means that the CPU must process things for a longer period of time. Sure at a lower speed it will process using less power but the longer period of time it needs to process may mean that the total power consumption is still the same or even higher since the CPU still consumes power simply by being turned on.
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+ 1. I'm starting to believe that even the screen-off profile (I have it set on the lowest) has a negative effect on the battery if you use your phone a lot and keep turning the screen back on all the time! Am turning it off now to try..
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Hello..anyone can teach me how to overclock xperia x10
Bootloader is not unlocked. It's impossible at the moment.
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Hello..anyone can teach me how to overclock xperia x10
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First, you crack the bootloader.
When you've done that, I'm guessing you allready figured out how to OC the CPU
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Hello..anyone can teach me how to overclock xperia x10
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For now just use the overclock widget. set top two settings as high as you want up to 998 click on off screen frequency. set between 246 and next number you choose. set at boot save. define settings at what mhz you like and experiment. do not run on screen and off screen freq at max. i have had my battery sweating and even plugged in all day and not gained a single % of charge. until boot loader is cracked.... this is all you can do.
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Although it's impossible today because of bootloader, note it's always dangerous and not great to overclock embedded cpus.
You can't overclock a lot, as you have a battery (X10 works about 5-10 hours with full speed - 998MHz), and the CPU only has passive elements to cool. Overclock can damage your CPU and your motherboard, stress all elements and low your battery life (battery charge and cycle of charge). (Even there's a self shutdown when too hot)
You can get an idea of overclock on Nexus forum, as we have the same CPU (Snapdragon 8250) - I saw overclock up to 1300 MHz, but it's really not looking safe to me
Thanx everyone..
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Although it's impossible today because of bootloader, note it's always dangerous and not great to overclock embedded cpus.
You can't overclock a lot, as you have a battery (X10 works about 5-10 hours with full speed - 998MHz), and the CPU only has passive elements to cool. Overclock can damage your CPU and your motherboard, stress all elements and low your battery life (battery charge and cycle of charge). (Even there's a self shutdown when too hot)
You can get an idea of overclock on Nexus forum, as we have the same CPU (Snapdragon 8250) - I saw overclock up to 1300 MHz, but it's really not looking safe to me
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Depends also on the voltage (as long as your voltage isn't increasing as you overclock, it isn't really that harmful as long as you watch the heat), and what you have your underclock speed set to with screen off (as this can in some sense reverse some of the possible "damage")...
I had my htc hero overclocked to 710 with the screen on, and underclocked 176 with the screen off and it ran a lot better.
I digress, I see no purpose in doing so when you already have a 1ghz processor that is super fast. I only really see a point in overclocking if the possible benefit is greater than the possible harm, and in this circumstance, I really don't think you would see that much benefit.
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Depends also on the voltage (as long as your voltage isn't increasing as you overclock, it isn't really that harmful as long as you watch the heat), and what you have your underclock speed set to with screen off (as this can in some sense reverse some of the possible "damage")...
I had my htc hero overclocked to 710 with the screen on, and underclocked 176 with the screen off and it ran a lot better.
I digress, I see no purpose in doing so when you already have a 1ghz processor that is super fast. I only really see a point in overclocking if the possible benefit is greater than the possible harm, and in this circumstance, I really don't think you would see that much benefit.
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I have seen considearable difference when maxed out. however the dangers are high of overheat. ive done it once and onetime only. kept on and off screen at 998 and hat it plugged in all day with out a single gain of battery. it was like on life support and was hot enough the phone was sweating even when sitting next to a fan blowing on it constantly.:-( since then i have made adjustments to run between 700 and 998mhz on screen and min 246 and 400mhz when screen off.
if looking for better performance without the overclock and good drain of battery, download and install sysctl from market and follow settings below.
min free kb: 900000
dirty ratio:500000
dirty background:200000
vfs cache pressure:10
Oom allocating: checked
On SetCPU there is Set on boot- to be checked or not?
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it should be checked
OC can damage yo device. Id say its better to hv a lil slower device than a dead device
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OC can damage yo device. Id say its better to hv a lil slower device than a dead device
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Not in all instances. Depends on the quality of the chip. Lot of chips are capable of handling higher speeds and temps but are set lower quality assurance.
For instance, I've got a NookColor that has base CPU set at 800MHz and is now overclockable to 1.2GHz
We'll have to do stress tests on some to see what they're capable of.
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Not in all instances. Depends on the quality of the chip. Lot of chips are capable of handling higher speeds and temps but are set lower quality assurance.
For instance, I've got a NookColor that has base CPU set at 800MHz and is now overclockable to 1.2GHz
We'll have to do stress tests on some to see what they're capable of.
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Agreed.
My Motorola Defy has a Omap3630 that comes at 800MHz,stock but can be easily overclocked to 1.3GHz without a sweat.
Just depends on the chip's capacity of "Stress".
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What are the best settings to have you phone's CPU speed set at? I'm looking for both good performance and good battery. Also I am using the default overclocker, what is the best one? Thank you guys for your time.
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I use SMARTASS as my CPU speed governor and I set my CPU to 480-748 MHz, seems pretty stable for me.
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What are the best settings to have you phone's CPU speed set at? I'm looking for both good performance and good battery. Also I am using the default overclocker, what is the best one? Thank you guys for your time.
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Overclocking values differ from phone to phone. Test it out with different values and use the one which is stable for you.
This was just discussed in the IHO technical-discussion thread, as a matter of fact.
My phone is stable for most stuff at 806 MHz, but sometimes the camera will cause a freeze/reboot. So I run at a 786 MHz max. Your phone will be different; this has to do with minute physical differences between individual chips.
The thing to keep in mind when overclocking is that the processor in our phone (unlike those of many other phones) does not make use of dynamic voltage scaling. There are only two voltage levels: a lower one if the phone is running at or below (or is it just below? correct me if I'm wrong, guys) 480 MHz, and a higher one if the phone is running above. So below 480 MHz, the system will give the processor a certain amount of voltage (period), and above, the processor will get a certain higher amount of voltage (period).
Because of that, the tests that have been done indicate that 806 MHz is the sweet spot for battery efficiency when the phone is in use--and the closer you get to 806, the better. Thus, I've had the following settings for quite some time:
786 MHz min
786 MHz max
Performance governor
which has treated me pretty well. On a day of light to moderate use, I'd end up with 65-75% battery left (occasionally more like 80%), depending on cell signal where I am et al. And it gives me probably the best performance I'm gonna get out of this phone.
However, I very recently decided to change the minimum to below that 480 MHz threshold and see what a lower voltage when idling would do for my battery life. My current settings are:
320 MHz min (may change to 480)
786 MHz max
Smart*** governor
There is actually a noticeable performance decrease when I first wake the phone up, so I may switch governors as well. In any case, I've had those settings for only one full day now, but for that one day the battery life was noticeably better. I'll post an update when I've had a few more days to test.
As always, it's difficult to quantify battery life in a reliable/rigorous manner (much less a universally applicable one), so YMMV.
I've install Rom Toolbox,
and i saw there is a "CPU slider" where i control the clock speed.
i've put it to 1000MHz instead of 1200MHz and tested it for several days
i really dont feel any difference in performance.
browsing seems same, games like asphalt is equally smooth.
heating is similar, equally warm.
the only difference is quadrant benchmark.
1200MHz scores 3200-3400
1000MHz scores 2600-2900
frankly speaking, i'm not sure if there's any difference in battery life.
is there any way to accurately test whether the clock speed affects the battery life?
i've seen other threads, where there are very different opinions.
some say it will improve battery life, and some say its worst.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=726019
Quote: (SetCPU doesn't make a difference in battery life, it can only shorten it. The kernal already has the best settings for CPU speed built in.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305465
Quote: (if you are able to stand the side effects of underclocking, it will surely boost your batery life.)
On my SGS2 program called CpuSpy shows that 1200MHz is about 1% of total cpu time (remember that governor is ondemand and CPU is at 1200 only when need it). If power consumption is directly proportional to clock speed by limiting it to 1000MHz you will get about 20% less power usage by 1% of time... looks like 0.2% power saved ? Soo if Your phone works for about 48h on one charging this way You can get about 6 extra minutes. It's just my guess...
Also have to consider if slower cpu causes screen to eat power for longer time... (because You have to wait longer for operation to complete)
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On my SGS2 program called CpuSpy shows that 1200MHz is about 1% of total cpu time (remember that governor is ondemand and CPU is at 1200 only when need it).
If power consumption is directly proportional to clock speed by limiting it to 1000MHz you will get about 20% less power usage by 1% of time... looks like 0.2% power saved ? Soo if Your phone works for about 48h on one charging this way You can get about 6 extra minutes. It's just my guess...
Also have to consider if slower cpu causes screen to eat power for longer time... (because You have to wait longer for operation to complete)
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HI, thanks for replying. I understand what you mean. the phone dont operate at 1200MHz all the time. but when using browser, and playing games, such as asphalt, it runs at max CPU usage almost the entire gaming duration.
Anyway.....
the real question is whether the clock speed is directly proportional to the battery consumption.
while reading your post, i thought of a brilliant ideal how to verify this.
the CPU slider not only allows you to set the max CPU speed,
you can set the min CPU speed as well.
So, i thought of an experiment, lets set the min & max CPU to 1200MHz,
this way, the phone will be running constantly at max CPU even when its idle.
let the phone be turn on till it run out of battery, record the time, T1.
then repeat again with max and min CPU set to 1000MHz.
record the time it is turn on till it run out of battery, record time as T2,
then compare T1 & T2, this could certainly work.
it would be nice if any member here happens to have 2 sgs2, and tried them ;-)
There are two more things to consider
1. CPU is not the only element that consumes power.
2. SGS2's Exynos is always clocked at 200MHz when the screen is off - check if this minimum slider affects that too.
Please let know how your experiment goes.
Regards
when the screen is off, the phone will be in "deep sleep" state. i think thats less than 200MHz.
anyway, i wont be doin this experiment any time soon.
you see, this is my only phone, i need to use it.
i dont have much oportunity to leave it and wait for it to run out of juice.
still, i'll try it when i have the chance.
Ive been running the "cm7-1.4highpro-test-rev3" kernel and it runs great. I've been bumping up my undervolting slowly, and im at -475 at 216 mhz, which (in theory) should be the undervolt clock speed that will save me most battery becasue i have phone set to go between 216 mhz and 312 mhz when screens off. Ive got both 216 and 312 mhz undervolted extremely heavily and i haven't seen ANY issues. The rest of clock speeds are at -100 or so, and if i push much further than that the phone locks up and does weird stuff. This would lead me to believe that the undervolting IS indeed working. But can the processor really run at -475 @216mhz and [email protected] without any side affects?? I haven't once had it get stuck in sleep mode with screen off or ANYTHING, so im a bit unsure if it is actually undervolting or not.. Myrt undervolt shows that my phone is undervolted to the specific settings i set within SetCpu. I also havent seen much, if any, difference with battery life. With 10 hours of idle time, straight idle screen off whole time, wifi, gps, mobile data, 4g, bluetooth, all that stuff off and after 10 hours my battery is down to 85%.
I limited uv clocks, so there is a low limit. One day ill add more low end clocks but it won't matter because the photon uses a separate clock for suspend. I knew people would try to uv to 500 with it set on boot and screw there phone up. So this way I didn't have thousands of user error related uv issues. Uv does works but its more for high end than low end. Low end uv causes sleep of death.
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Ive been running the "cm7-1.4highpro-test-rev3" kernel and it runs great. I've been bumping up my undervolting slowly, and im at -475 at 216 mhz, which (in theory) should be the undervolt clock speed that will save me most battery becasue i have phone set to go between 216 mhz and 312 mhz when screens off. Ive got both 216 and 312 mhz undervolted extremely heavily and i haven't seen ANY issues. The rest of clock speeds are at -100 or so, and if i push much further than that the phone locks up and does weird stuff. This would lead me to believe that the undervolting IS indeed working. But can the processor really run at -475 @216mhz and [email protected] without any side affects?? I haven't once had it get stuck in sleep mode with screen off or ANYTHING, so im a bit unsure if it is actually undervolting or not.. Myrt undervolt shows that my phone is undervolted to the specific settings i set within SetCpu. I also havent seen much, if any, difference with battery life. With 10 hours of idle time, straight idle screen off whole time, wifi, gps, mobile data, 4g, bluetooth, all that stuff off and after 10 hours my battery is down to 85%.
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haha ok I understand, just thought I was going crazy there for a bit, or had the most amazing tegra 2 known to man. is there a way to UV the suspend mode then or no? And is my battery life at idle about average or low considering the UV. do you have any kernels for CM7 that aren't limited for UV? Thanks for reply, and all your hard work on the photon!!
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Changing suspend voltage can only be done in source. I havnt played with it yet because i need to test it on a stable kernel that way i know any issues would come from it. As far as extra uv steps its planned after wifi fix. I wont add 500 new steps probably 2 steps at a time(-25 steps). Im also planning on changing my clock table(multiples of 216 only). I might make a half step 1.0 kernel underclocked to 108~192. It will be mem underclocked and gpu/avp underclocked. With lower voltage tables on everything. Default scheduling will be powersave. Which you can check out with cpu master right now. That kernel will also have a tweaked 2 core start/stop.
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haha ok I understand, just thought I was going crazy there for a bit, or had the most amazing tegra 2 known to man. is there a way to UV the suspend mode then or no? And is my battery life at idle about average or low considering the UV. do you have any kernels for CM7 that aren't limited for UV? Thanks for reply, and all your hard work on the photon!!
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"That kernel will also have a tweaked 2 core start/stop. "
Holy ****!
That would be the best thing
All new ones this week have tweaked 2nd core
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"That kernel will also have a tweaked 2 core start/stop. "
Holy ****!
That would be the best thing
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Hi Guys,
I am a noob here. I have never used a android phone before, not even a iPhone - so basically no smart phones.My first smart/android phone would be Nexus 4 which would be coming tomorrow.
I have been reading threads to understand andriod architecture and believe have understood to certain extent.
I have a question in clocking the CPUs and Voting.
As I understand, we have 3 states -Max, Min and Sleep for a single CPU core
Max - The frequency (clock speed) which CPU executes or maximum speed which CPU sends signals to its components and get the response back. This would be used when the system is on - which means when user is doing some process.. like texting, video chat, gaming (this case GPU is also involved) etc.
Min - This would be for background process when the user/phone is idle - that when screen is off (eq - gmail sync, facebook sync etc..)
Sleep - Screen off and no background process , the core will be in sleep.
And the battery level will be directly propotional to speed of CPU with respect to the volting.
Now lets say there is a single core processor in a phone which can clock upto 1.5GZ. and the stock kernel comes up with Max - 1.3GZ and MIN -0.5 GHZ.
Question is abt overclocking minimum frequency
1. why not overclock the Mn frequency to 1.3Ghz? because the backgroundprocess would be fast and phone/core will be sleeping after that,
which means process consumes more battery at that particular time but overall baterry should be efficient as there would be more sleeping time.
2. About volting, so far I have not seen min and max volting. So is there only one voltage/power drawn for max and min CPU speeds by CPU?
Please correct me if any of my statements is wrong.
Appreciate your help,
Thanks,
Franklin B.
Overclocking the minimum frequency to 1.3ghz would probably decrease your processor's life if you use your phone too much but I have been actually increasing my phone even 200mhz more than it was in stock ROMs, i've been using my device for more than 2 years and it still works perfectly. Finally, it all depends on how much your phone is good.
I also decreased the cpu min and max frequency when phone sleeps to 256 mhz which decreased a lot battery consumption.
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1.you can but your battery life will be drastically reduced! There is a good amount of time after the screen is off and before the phone sleeps! So if over clock the min to 1.3Ghz, the processor will be running at 1.3Ghz till it goes to sleep! But if that's what you want you can do that!
2 . I'm not so sure about this topic either but I think the processor operates at a particular voltage and I could be wrong!
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Franklin Bernard said:
1. why not overclock the Mn frequency to 1.3Ghz? because the backgroundprocess would be fast and phone/core will be sleeping after that,
which means process consumes more battery at that particular time but overall baterry should be efficient as there would be more sleeping time.
2. About volting, so far I have not seen min and max volting. So is there only one voltage/power drawn for max and min CPU speeds by CPU?
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Hi, I received your PM. I agree with the guys about the heat issues, longevity, and battery life etc. The answer to your question #2 will help you better understand things.
In all kernels, there are frequency/voltage scaling tables. For every frequency step (clock speed) in the table, it corresponds to a specific voltage. It gets a bit more complicated than this of course, but that is the basic way things are setup in the kernel. The higher the frequency, the higher the voltage is required to be to keep the CPU (or GPU, bus, RAM etc.) stable at a given clock speed. The more voltage, the more current, and the more heat is generated. The longer you stay at higher clock speeds/voltages, the better the cooling system you need to have. Supply regulators are defined to feed the core and rail voltages so that the processor can live in a happy environment no matter what it is being asked to.
As far as power consumption, it's all about getting a unit of work done in a timely/efficient fashion using the least amount of power consumption. If the phone is sleeping, the word "timely" takes on a different meaning so then it is mostly concerned with power consumption and getting the background tasks completed effectively without having the phone experience the sleep of death (SOD). What you are talking about is the theory of "race to sleep" so that the work can be done quickly and the phone can go back to sleep where it uses the least amount of power (clocks actually turn off during deep sleep and cores are turned off). However, there is a happy medium to this theory and heat and battery consumption are the main enemies. Heat can also rob efficiency, more current is required when a circuit heats up. The more a phone wakes up to do syncs for email, apps, social networking, missed calls etc., that work can stack up throughout the day. The question comes down to how can the device get this work done using the least power and keep the device cool. On the N4, the lowest frequencies can use ~700-800mV per core while the highest frequencies can use ~1100mV. There is a drastic difference in the amount of heat generation between this range.
I think this should give you the general idea and maybe more that you wanted to know! Here are some links to check out if you are interested. Google and you will find many many more articles and research papers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_and_frequency_scaling
http://atrak.usc.edu/~massoud/Talks/Pedram-dvfs-Taiwan05.pdf
Thanks a ton !!!