This is not a battery thread. I just wanted to do some maths based on some findings of my own.
I post this screens, taken at 50% battery. I rebooted when full battery for a fresh graph. I'm running "stock" 2.3.4 KG1. Data is always on, two push mail accounts, display on Auto, no gaming, no photos for today.
So, if the graph are accurate (I really doubt that):
1. 17 hrs 38 mins total time on for 50%
from this:
-1 hr 48 mins phone calls
- 45 mins Android OS
-1hr 2 mins display on
-Android system (the thing responsible for widgets, push mail and so on, basically for apps) 7 mins 50 secs!
-Phone idle 16 hrs 35 mins. TIME WHEN NOTHING IS SUPPOSED TO BE RUNNING IN CPU FOREGROUND
- Navigon comes up with 11% BUT I NEVER USED IT- and there are no details on CPU usage either.
- I used 20 mins of sync Wifi for the later part of today, wifi doesn't show on the graph- no clue why.
Here I stand pretty puzzled:
1hr 48 mins of calling + 16 hrs 35 mins of idle is 18 hrs 23 mins! assuming that idle does not include when calls connected and screen off .
Here are the figures for the AOS and how life would be without it.
Android OS chewed 14 % of the 50 % battery. Calling ate 43% for 1 hr 48 mins. If it wasn't for AOS bug, I would have had power to call for some 36 more mins to get to the 50% battery. That's like 30% more talk time without the bug.
Display, set on auto, drained 10% of power for 1hr 2 mins. Android OS bug stole almost 30 mins of display time for every hour . This is 50% wasted power.
Phone Idle is 4% for 16 hrs and 35 mins. So, basically, every minute under raging AOS eats 0.31% of battery. for every 1% the phone idles for 4 hours and 9 mins (and ideal stand-by time of four and an half days ). EVERY MINUTE OF ANDROID OS EATS AWAY 1 HOUR AND 22 MINUTES.
Also, the Widgets and all other stuff are actually consuming half the power eaten away by AOS.
So, if by miracle, the faulty driver is resolved by Samsung, we should get :
30% more talk time
50% more display time
350% more idle time.
Or, for the connoisseurs:
Android OS comes in, battery goes flat. No miscommunication. You can't explain that.
Good post, my own experiences (i only have my GS2 a few days coming from a HD2)
I deleted my battery stats last night and left my phone on,data was enabled nothing like bluetooth/GPS,etc,brightness is set to automatic brightness the phone was at 99% and from 12.29am to 09.59am this morning when i checked it was 83%,not too bad i suppose but could be better, i have fast dormancy disabled and i froze the Samsung apps with Titanium Backup,however the Android OS was at 41% and Maps and Cell Standby both 15%, since then ive been using the phone for some Internet, 1 call and sent a few text messages and it's now currently 12.41pm and it's at 47% and the display now shows at 35% and the Android OS is 23%, im running Lite'ning ROM 1.5, does this seem normal or quite excessive im in 2 minds myself, does the Android OS usually be as high as that when in standby,when im using the phone for a period of time it appears to go down as low as 8%.
All I can say is, use ATK. Its just working great for me.
Regards.
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Thank you for this. It makes the problem clear to see. There are a lot of people saying things like "it all adds up to 100%" or "hey Android OS is high, but my battery life is very good".
As you say, we'd get much much better battery life if it weren't for this damn bug. Battery life can be good now. However with a 1650 mah battery, without Android OS wasting precious energy, it would be great...
Great summary!
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I have depleted the other 50% of battery so I'll post the values. The phone charged when connected to transfer the files. Well, at the end of the day, it looks like the that:
1. Voice calls drained 39% of battery for 3 hrs and 19 minutes.
2. Display is 2nd with 14% and 2hrs and 20 mins.
3. Android OS gets 3rd place with 12% and 1hr 20-this is the kernel running.
4. Android System- the one you bought the phone for- is pretty shy, only 9% . I repeat, here are all the widgets, Sammy updater, mail and so on.
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Dialer is 6%, Navigon gets 8%, Cell standby - that's the radio FW- 5%
Phone Idle is the champ with 3% @ 31 hrs and 17 mins. That's the spirit.
Also, GPS status is eating 2,2% for every minute.
Bottom line: if it wasn't for the AOS, I would have had -see below( let's be real and give each process it's share so I'll split the AOS drain to get everybody happy)- before running for the charger .
1. Phone calls. 5.6% more battery- and 23 minutes more of talk time.
2. Display. 1.7% 22 minutes more.
3. Phone idle 0.9 % almost 10 hrs.
The rest of ~4% is shared for Wifi, Cell Standby and android system.
These numbers are valid for my usage pattern, phone calls all day long/ that's why i bought a phone for/.
I might draw some lines here and reveal some facts ( the values might be different according to usage pattern):
ONE MINUTE OF:
AOS bug drains 0.15%
Voice calling (I live on a good network signal area) depletes 0.13%
Display on is lower than calling @ 0.10%.
GPS could be chewing 2% when polled thoroughly.
Widgets and other Sammy crap are not scary at all. In fact, I find them pretty decent under this SW revision.
Maybe some will find these values useful.
Maybe we don't realize the impact of implementing a bad driver. For me, it all makes a lot of sense and annoys me more. Too bad we not on Icrap's ship, the news would have been all over the web.
One last thing though.
There are 2 main issues withSGS2: AOS and wake up lag. Never listen to any wise guy that says the lag comes from deep sleep and you should be lucky if you have it because it means the phone is SLEEPING and not eating away battery. I've noticed lately a trend in trolling this issue. I am confident that the guys behind this reasoning are on the same level with the guys that came up with Killing task managers and empty ram crap in Linux. And they even wonder why the alarm is not working after RAM flush.....
Wake up lag is a side effect of some nasty crap hogging the CPU's front bandwith. I bet any trolls here that when the lag is gone so will the AOS bug be ( at least AOS will be under Idle in %).
My wild guess is a radio issue somewhere.
same problem omg :S i hate this !! but phone is great !!
KG3 Report
Hi,
I have a new report to post, this time under KG3 stock rom. This time WI-Fi off whole time. I used the car dock for 10 mins.
1 day 7 hrs and 57mins from full charge to 15%:
Voice calls 2 hrs and 35 mins -37 %
Display on auto 2 hrs and 27 mins 20%
Android system 13 % Cpu total 10m 16 s
Android OS 9% 53 min 45 s
Dialer 6% C
Cell standby 6%
navigon 4% pops up,never used it
Phone idle 4%
Although it seems the AOS got less cpu with this, the improvement is not so clear. I almost talked 1 hr less with this one.
My android is 49% of 15 hour up time from last charge but the CPU time is only 2 hours 15 minutes for it. Hardly 49% of up time. Do you think maybe firstly there is no bug, its a bug with reporting not AOS usage time and that the phone hardware just eats a lot of juice even in standby. Just a thought. The battery lasts pretty good for the fact that its so small, there's an amoled screen and a dual core processor. Perhaps even in idle the hardware just draws a lot of power to allow a quick jump from standby to fully activated without any waiting around.
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sohanlon07 said:
My android is 49% of 15 hour up time from last charge but the CPU time is only 2 hours 15 minutes for it. Hardly 49% of up time. Do you think maybe firstly there is no bug, its a bug with reporting not AOS usage time and that the phone hardware just eats a lot of juice even in standby. Just a thought. The battery lasts pretty good for the fact that its so small, there's an amoled screen and a dual core processor. Perhaps even in idle the hardware just draws a lot of power to allow a quick jump from standby to fully activated without any waiting around.
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Could you post some screens?
Android system is 49%? the percents relate to the battery usage, not the time.
ALSO VERY IMPORTANT:
Dual core CPU should draw less power in standby/idle/sync. this is the idea behind dual/quad cores. If you have the time, read on how do they stack processes.
Deep sleep is not working properly. How come my WIN7 x64 wakes up in less than 1 sec from standby> win kernel is around 300 megs vs 17megs Android? It is a driver issue.
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Could you post some screens?
Android system is 49%? the percents relate to the battery usage, not the time.
ALSO VERY IMPORTANT:
Dual core CPU should draw less power in standby/idle/sync. this is the idea behind dual/quad cores. If you have the time, read on how do they stack processes.
Deep sleep is not working properly. How come my WIN7 x64 wakes up in less than 1 sec from standby> win kernel is around 300 megs vs 17megs Android? It is a driver issue.
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So instead of writing here, we should write to Samsung, correct? I hope this will be resolved soon, OTA update should do nicely!
tonycfc said:
So instead of writing here, we should write to Samsung, correct? I hope this will be resolved soon, OTA update should do nicely!
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Believe me, I've tried the highest official way there is. They keep blaming android/google. I even pointed them some apps that were using obsolete scripts and 4-5 ro.* that were hogging the cpu. All they answered is that is under revision. then somebody from the work asked me what the f*** is this communication about and told me to use the nexus S instead.
Here the results of a simple test I did:
KG3, CF-Root, 8 widgets, skype and viber, 2 e-mail accounts. The usage was roughly the same (mostly internet browsing, e-mail cheking and only a few voice calls 20min approx.) The difference is that in the first day I left the sync and WiFi on all the time. On the second day, I left both sync (including background sync) and WiFi off most of the day, except during the time which I was using it (browsing internet, updating market apps, checking e-mail, etc.) The result, as you can see in the screenshots below, is that with sync and WiFi off, I've got almost 26h extra of battery life (18h18min v 1d19h52min). So, for me at least, the battery drain is WiFi+sync.
Looking at the pictures, compare phone awake v screen on. With sync+WiFi, you'll see that the phone was awake many times with the screen off, whereas it didn't happen when the sync+WiFi was off.
Therefore, I think it is better to turn sync+WiFi on only when you really need it, and not all the time. That's what I'm going to do from now on.
Ah, no powersaving settings enabled in any case!
Android OS @2%
Still under KG3, nothing installed lately, nothing at all:
Full battery in the morning almost flat in the evening with very light usage- I on a sort of holiday ....
1. 16h and 2 mins it lasted
2. 57 mins of calling
3. 51 mins of display time
4. Android OS WAS 2 % running for a total of 3 mins
REALLY SAMSUNG?
I want my AoS back.....
i rooted the phone yesterday, screen on time was around 4 hours or so..10% drain per hour average with screen on-off.
freeze all bloatwares and aos went down to less than 10% (was in 40s).
will see battery improvement today.
after root, i still got the yellow rectangle at boot (havent remove it yet)..will it affect battery life? any input?
I froze the WIFI Sharing service and my phone went from dying 25% over 4 hours at work with almost no use (and WIFI off) to lasting all day, or not charging at night and lasting all night and through the next day.
Just saying.
iwang;16719645s in 40s).
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No
there are instructions posted to remove yellow triangle in the root thread .
jje
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iwang said:
after root, i still got the yellow rectangle at boot (havent remove it yet)..will it affect battery life? any input?
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If you don't understand that the yellow triangle ONLY means that the kernel you have flashed does not have the correct signature (i.e. it is a custom kernel) then you shouldn't really be messing with root at all. How would this be relevant to the AOS bug or to battery life?
What is your view on juicedefender?
Battery savers are pieces of **** that turn help battery life by constantly changing the device on something more like Nokia soap.
My Personal view on software that claim to help save on battery was/is as it is about task managers on Android... somehow useless mainly for a few reasons:
1. They interfere with running processes and I haven't seen one really optimized for the system. Some are behaving limiting the performance. Which isn't a good thing.
2. I found that even Watchdog is a drain culprit when it's running after a limbo limbo process.
I have seen this issues before, in PC world. 8-5 years ago, Sony was loading their Vaio series with so much crap that the laptops were slow as a turtle right from a start up. They failed to listed then and lost almost 60% of their market. Others reacted faster and gave the option of removing crapware ( mainly proprietary sofware and trial) when ordering [ btw,of course, anybody could do it by msconfig but few were willing to mess it...].
I can't get it why Sammy, HTC, LG won't offer a barebone/unified Android. We could all get what we need from Market and this is why we have the markets war.
I don't want my update service running in background, nor do I need email app from Samsung...in order to get them off my back I need to root, Edit a file and make sure I mount the right permissions( or BUY something to do it for me) and so on, most people don't want/can't root , not mentioning the longer the chain the more links likely to break, including the warranty is voided ...WHY all the fuss to stop something I don't want?
Microsoft hit the nail in the head with their approach to WP7 (except closing it like Apple). That's because they had to deal with screamers for 20 years and they have a clue about crap ruining an OS.
And yes, I am still waiting to see a dev coming out with a pure Android Rom on whole XDA.... for any device. They all add something to it....a tiny tweak or a tiny thing.
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Update and FIX!
My phone is no longer draining massive amount of batt life when idle (3-5% after 7 hours of idle), android system usage is now down to 5-15% instead of 78-97% from before.
My fixes.
1. Turn off data syncing
2. Turn off wifi while on the road (so wifi doesn't constantly look for signals).
3. Clear memory
Yes, att installs a lot of bloatware that constantly update for changes.
If killing those services AND disabling data syncing doesn't help your problem, then you have a kernel problem (like myself).
If this is the case, do the following:
1. Take phone back to att and get a replacement
OR
2. Re-flash your android with the STOCK kernel found here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286432
OR
3. Reflash with cognition x2 (reported to solve a member's problem, I didn't try this myself).
NOTE** This will root your phone, you will NOT get the exclamation mark during boot up, but kernel counter may be at "1" after this process.
Re-flashing my phone AND applying the three tricks I mentioned above worked for me..finally my phone is no longer crippled with crappy battery life and recharging is A LOT faster now.
I must be going crazy but this sg2 is killing me. I got it from Att yesterday and the battery life has been pretty HORRIBLE. (First time android user btw).
The phone will eat up 10% of my batter life after only 90 mins of idle. I checked the battery usage and Android OS is at around 78%!!! How do I fix this problem? I downloaded OS monitor and didn't really see anything that uses a lot of CPU, except for certain files syncing from time to time (but 2-3% usage usually).
Checked with battery spy and apparently the majority of the time, the phone was hovering around 200mhz 70% of the time and not deep sleep.
It's sad to have only 1.5 hours of display time with a battery of 45% left (7 hours total time)...coming from an Iphone 3gs, this is just unacceptable. I almost flashed to the 2.3.5 firmware but noticed it's NOT compatible with ATT's version of SG2.
I see people who have a total time of 2 days AND a screen time with 3 hours with 30% battery left. I wish I can get half that!
Running on 2.3.4, can't be the infamous drainage bug right? Thought that only happens with the 2.3.3s
Wifi on, application sync on, GPS off, brightness at 25%, using live wallpaper (the windmill). No active apps on. Downloaded aim, epocrates, battery monitor, cpu spy, and os monitor..rest of the apps are stock.
Update
According to my CPU spy
For the past hour that the phone was in idle
2:20mins at 1200mhz
4:52mins at 1000mhz
8:33 at 800mhz
1:28 at 500mhz
10:11 at 200mhz
33:36 in deep sleep
Currently Android CPU usage is @ 97%, display time of 7mins(2%)
2h 30mins since last charge (97% charge)..current power is 79%. Did nothing but idling and checking battery life.
So...that's 30 mins out of the hour in which my idling cellphone was hacking the pentagon....
Also the cellphone is a tiny bit warm to the touch (not cold)
I have 35% battery life remaining and have been unplugged for nearly 11 hours. This is significantly better than what I was getting with a Thunderbolt on Verizon, where I was needing to charge after about six hours of use. 11 hours and 35% remaining isn't the best in the world, but it's only been two days. The phone needs a few days to charge and discharge to determine true battery stats and will probably get better.
Being that this is your first Android battery life will not seem great but let it settle in for a few days it should get better.
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Used Nexus S, LG Thrill, Samsung Focus, Infuse, This is the best Android phone for battery. I have 40% left with normal use (emails, calls, music, read news) at the end of the day. Huraaaaa
Singuy1234 said:
I must be going crazy but this sg2 is killing me. I got it from Att yesterday and the battery life has been pretty HORRIBLE. (First time android user btw).
The phone will eat up 10% of my batter life after only 90 mins of idle. I checked the battery usage and Android OS is at around 78%!!! How do I fix this problem? I downloaded OS monitor and didn't really see anything that uses a lot of CPU, except for certain files syncing from time to time (but 2-3% usage usually).
Checked with battery spy and apparently the majority of the time, the phone was hovering around 200mhz 70% of the time and not deep sleep.
It's sad to have only 1.5 hours of display time with a battery of 45% left (7 hours total time)...coming from an Iphone 3gs, this is just unacceptable. I almost flashed to the 2.3.5 firmware but noticed it's NOT compatible with ATT's version of SG2.
I see people who have a total time of 2 days AND a screen time with 3 hours with 30% battery left. I wish I can get half that!
Running on 2.3.4, can't be the infamous drainage bug right? Thought that only happens with the 2.3.3s
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If you only got the phone yesterday, its way to early to make any judgments on battery life. Battery needs at least 3-5 days to settle in and build consistent battery stats.
Also, what are you settings? Auto Brightness, Bluetooth, GPS, auto syn(exchange emal, gmail, facebook, etc). If your not using these, they should be OFF. It's easy to manually refresh email, etc.
I've seen some people reporting very high Android OS(over 50%) but still getting solid battery life.
I'm at 1hr display time, heavy texting. 72% left, been unplugged for 12hrs
no people what this guy is talking about is the android os bug. i have it too. hopefully an upgrade or different rom will fix it. my phone has been unplugged 11 hours with only 1 1/2 hour display but android os has ran for 52 minutes and now im at 32% battery life. once this bug gets worked out the battery life will be amazing.
I don't think that there is an android OS bug. My android OS shows as being 42% with 13hrs of moderate use and I am still at 67% battery remaining. This is by far the best battery use I have ever experienced on an android device! My cappy would not even come close to this performance and this is on stock ROM and kernel.
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I'm very happy with mine, this was the first total drain on a new battery so I know it will only get better.
Total time: 18hr 25min
Display time: 4hr 48min
I think it's the system os, not the hardware. There were a few times when the battery didn't discharge itself at 7%/hour (had it idle for 3 hours and it went down like 2%).
And yes, everything is turned off except the sync app data and wifi. There's no option to turn off 4g btw. It's just weird how sometimes it's in this mode of power drainage, and then sometimes it doesn't drain much..but most of the time, it's draining.
I seriously doubt the phone can only run 2.5 hours worth of heavy usage or 12 hours of standby (it should last days!). If this is "normal" for android, then maybe I should have a visit back to att and exchange for an iphone (and I really don't to!)
Sledutah said:
I'm very happy with mine, this was the first total drain on a new battery so I know it will only get better.
Total time: 18hr 25min
Display time: 4hr 48min
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that is freakin incredible. i am gonna try a restore or something im down to 28% life. 1:40 display android os 1 hour.
can you please post the cpu total time in android os so i have an idea
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I don't think that there is an android OS bug. My android OS shows as being 42% with 13hrs of moderate use and I am still at 67% battery remaining. This is by far the best battery use I have ever experienced on an android device! My cappy would not even come close to this performance and this is on stock ROM and kernel.
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can you please post the cpu total time in android os so i have an idea
VFO said:
I don't think that there is an android OS bug. My android OS shows as being 42% with 13hrs of moderate use and I am still at 67% battery remaining. This is by far the best battery use I have ever experienced on an android device! My cappy would not even come close to this performance and this is on stock ROM and kernel.
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I agree - as I said in the Android OS drain thread, even in "good" situations, Android OS displays way high on our systems. I think it's a reporting bug.
I dropped 2% in 5.5 hours completely idle (sitting on my shelf) last night - Android OS was at over 60%. It seems that so far for me, the higher it is, the better my battery life is.
I drop around 15-20% in 9 hours of being mostly idle at my desk at work - it's a weak-signal location so the radio eats much more battery.
One thing is that unlike first-generation GalaxyS devices and interim ones like the Infuse, the GS2 has a coulomb-counter type of battery gauge. This type of gauge sometimes needs to be calibrated with multiple charge/discharge cycles or it will misreport battery state of charge. (However, when calibrated, it's much more accurate.)
Edit: I do have some power management tweaks in the kernel I'm running, but they don't make that much off a difference except in some high-drain corner cases in my experience. I'll be releasing it sometime later this week depending on how well these antibiotics do their job.
Do i need to install a battery app to see the percentage? or we have a way?
Install this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15869868#post15869868
If you see "DataTracker-FD" or "Fast Dormancy" as the top wake lock, go into dialer
dial *#*#9900#*#*
disable Fast Dormancy (FD).
By default, the Samsung Galaxy S II has Fast Dormancy support enabled. One of the goals of Fast Dormancy is to increase the battery life of a device, by limiting the amount of signaling between the phone and the cell network. But, when Fast Dormancy it is not enabled in the network and is enabled on the phone it ironically works the other way around, and actually drains more battery than before.
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That applies to the I9100.
As far as I can tell, the I777 has FD disabled by default. (This may change once I9100 ROM ports start showing up)
Okay, charged my battery to 97%(I got a beep saying it's fully charged). Idled for the past 2 hours and 22 mins. Battery is at 86%.
According to the battery, my screen account for 2%, and the android system accounts for 97%.
This is a stock phone guys, I have no apps installed!
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One thing is that unlike first-generation GalaxyS devices and interim ones like the Infuse, the GS2 has a coulomb-counter type of battery gauge. This type of gauge sometimes needs to be calibrated with multiple charge/discharge cycles or it will misreport battery state of charge. (However, when calibrated, it's much more accurate.)
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How do you calibrate it?
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Do i need to install a battery app to see the percentage? or we have a way?
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Settings > About phone > Battery usage
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How do you calibrate it?
Settings > About phone > Battery usage
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I'm talking about live battery display. I installed no lock and have no lock screen to see how many % left.
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I'm talking about live battery display. I installed no lock and have no lock screen to see how many % left.
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Just search up "battery indicator" in the Market and you'll get a few to choose from.
I too got mine yesterday and started tinkering around with installing apps and such to test out all functions before I rooted it and move onto cm7 most likely. The 1 things I noticed was that the battery was NOT completely full when it was first turned on at the store so once it got a little lower after playing with it I charged it up overnight. Today the battery was WAY BETTER and was not dead yet. I have been using it NON STOP today, rebooting it, testing it, trying to root it, rebooting some more, some time using tango to test it out, watched a Netflix movie, pretty much taking full advantage of it all day. I finally decided to charge it up and use my Captivate a bit. I didn't keep track of usage and times today but I KNOW it lasted a WAY LONGER time with all I was doing with it than my Cappy. Tomorrow I will check more out possibly before putting on a rom.
So LOOOONNNNGGGG STORY short make sure you charge it up once you get it before messing with it too much and then it will LAST LONGER.
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After two nights of completely draining then recharging the battery to full, the battery has gotten significantly better. I'm trying to drain it again before I go to bed tonight but I don't think I'll make it.
I played the entirety of Toy Story 3 on max brightness, and only burned 20% of the battery!
First of all, let me say thanks to Scott for all of his work on CleanRom. I know there has been a lot of discussion lately in his thread about battery usage. Some people are getting outstanding battery life and some people can't make it more than a few hours. I have been one of the people that can't make it more than a few hours no matter what I do. I did a clean wipe of everything before installing the ROM and have even tried to reinstall. The odd thing is my wife's phone does fantastic with this ROM. I finally decided to test things side by side lastnight. My phone should have had the clear advantage because I turned off all syncing options and froze any apps that had been downloaded just to make sure there was nothing running. Meanwhile, her phone syncs like crazy to facebook, email, etc and also has various apps running like weatherbug. I let them both sit overnight and after ~9hrs here are the stats I measured:
Battery % left : 79% (mine) vs 88% (hers)
Data used overnight: 75kb (mine) vs 744kb (hers)
Time awake: 3min 32sec (mine) vs 9 min 42sec (hers)
Time in Deep Sleep: 9hr 19mins (mine) vs 9hr 6min (hers)
Everything points to the fact that I should easily have more life left than hers. I am also attaching a couple of screenshots and the betterbatterystats files to this post. Maybe we can track down why everyone's battery life is so different. Tonight I plan to swap batterys between the phones to try to determine if my battery is the problem.
wow that's pretty good on your wife's phone but horrible for yours especially considering you turned off syncing.
I agree. I have no doubt that her phone could easily still be at 95% or more if I made all of the same adjustments to hers as I did to mine. That is why I am hoping someone on here with more knowledge about this stuff can help to determine what is going on.
It honestly might just be a faulty battery, I was having similar results with mine and my friend's phone, too. I tried multiple ROMs, Kernels, etc. But it slowly got worse and worse to the point that I would go down from 100% to 60% in little over an hour, doing nothing but listening to music with the screen off and auto-sync etc off. I bought a replacement battery, though. And this one is working just fine. You might just be having bad battery luck, or it might be your device, I know some people have returned their Rezounds because of battery life/heat problems, and the replacement generally fixes their woes.
so what did your betterybattery stats report?
Thanks for running this test. It would be very helpful to everyone if you could pinpoint this to a battery difference and I'm waiting to hear your results after the battery swap.
What helped my battery life most was to uncheck the box under "settings -> applications -> start automatically" It has something to do with a task manager. It probably wouldn't explain why your wife's phone does better but it could help both of you get better battery life.
bik- The betterbatterystats file is attached. I see a lot of activity on her phone but very little for mine. The only thing that stands out to me is I have alarmmanager waking my phone for 10 mins and she had it waking hers for only 5 mins. I am not sure exactly what alarmmanager is though.
HTGaming- Thank you for the suggestion but I have already done that as well. I think I have literally turned off everything possible on this phone because it is driving me nuts to burn through battery like this. My OG droid used to us 30% in a day max and now I burn through that in an hour if I am using the phone for anything at all. Pretty much the only thing I had running on the phone lastnight was 4g service which her phone also had.
Another thing you can do to compare the two phones is to install battery monitor widget to see what the drain is on the phones. I used to have decent battery life but ever since the update, it's been worse. The one thing I noticed is that now my phone draws more current when sleeping than it used to. The drain is consistently close to 300ma, whereas before it would be less than 200ma when sleeping.
You have to have the widget on for the monitoring to be active unless you change the preferences.
I swapped the battery's lastnight and here's the results. Hers is still clearly better than mine even though betterbatterystats shows way more activity on her phone again.
Battery % left : 84% (mine) vs 90% (hers)
Data used overnight: 279kb (mine) vs 498kb (hers)
Time awake: 5min 32sec (mine) vs 12 min 8sec (hers)
Time in Deep Sleep: 7hr 58mins (mine) vs 7hr 59min (hers)
Someone posted that they saw different PRIs on phones even after the OTA. Do your two phones have the same PRIs?
damnn thats just weird
Im starting to think that some Rezound batches are differently tweaked than others. My first Rezound had great battery, I would stream music for 5-6 hours on 4G and would still be above 60%. My last two however were completely horrible, on 4-5 hours standby it losses closed to 20% with lil to no use. Same settings/apps as my first Rez. I regret returning my first Rezound, it truly was the perfect phone.
There really has to be a reason why some come with a 3.8 V bat. opposed to a 3.7 V. HTC wouldn't just send out two different types of battery for no reason.
You are missing 1 key info in your analysis, which people always seem to leave out when talking about battery life. The screen on time. I see in in the graphs but it's hard to tell the exact number. Because of the 720p screen on our phones, that makes a big difference. When my screen is on, the phone uses up at least 600 ma/hr. That is conservative, usually it is more like 700-800. We'll assume 600 for now. That's 10 ma/minute. Based on the stock battery, that is 0.6% per minute. So having a difference in screen on time of 10 minutes will give you 6% difference in battery life.
i am also unable to go for even most of a day on one battery charge - and i have 3 extra batteries that were from ebay that dont work even that long...
i do notice it when the screen is on the most - yest i used the gps for an hour and a hlaf without plugging the phone in and my battery lasted about 3 hours after that and died....
very bad....
very interested to see if its the phone or not - great work...
I'll try to answer a couple of questions in here. I got very frustrated yesterday so I flashed an ICS rom to see how my phone did with it. It is equally as bad. This morning, I got into work with 97% life, checked my email for about 2 mins and was already down to 90%. I have the screen display set to 30% brightness too. I am amazed that people can used 2-3 hours of display and still have 70% battery after 10 hours. My screen at 30% brightness probably drains 2% per minute. I think tonight I am going to try to install one of the stock RUU's just to check and see if the OTA upgrade possibly didn't install itself correctly.
HTGaming - I will check the PRI's tonight.
Bluesnake - Both phones were purchased the same day so I would guess they are from similar if not the same batch. Both have 3.7 batteries. Infact when I first got my phone, I could have display on auto, sync everything every half hour, use the screen for random browsing throughout the day and still go home with over 70% left. Somewhere along the line my phone has developed some sort of draining problem though and no amounts of clean installs seem to fix it.
b5fan - Both phones were off the entire night. I think screen usage was maybe 10 seconds for both of them. They literally just sat there on the nightstand while we slept and mine drained 2x faster with nothing running while hers ran facebook, email etc.
I checked the PRI on both phones and they are the same. I re-ran the stock RUU tonight so I will see if that makes any difference. I highly doubt it will but I am running out of ideas.
I guess I was thrown by the screen shots. They both show some noticeable screen time.
the only other thing I could think to check is the email type, push versus pull, and the frequency.
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b5fan said:
I guess I was thrown by the screen shots. They both show some noticeable screen time.
the only other thing I could think to check is the email type, push versus pull, and the frequency.
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The screen time was probably just from me getting all of the data off in the morning like the screenshots and battery stats. Her email was on push and my email was set to not sync at all. Basically she had a fully functional phone and mine was set to do nothing which is why the battery drain is so hard to explain.
I did run the stock RUU image lastnight for my phone. I put it in airplane mode overnight and it was at 97% when I got up which is a huge improvement. I took it off airplane mode at 6am today and when I got to work at 7am, it was down to 90% so I guess I am in wait and see mode now. I have no email accounts/facebook accounts/ or anything else setup right now. It is only the stock image so there should be nothing draining battery today.
I can confirm the phone is no better now after the clean RUU install. Let it sit overnight and it was down to 80% this morning. I did not even setup any email accounts or download any apps yet. This is just the stock image from verizon.
Hey, so I've seen several people claiming fantastic battery life, etc. So, I am just wondering what's your experience in general. If you've got some free time and feel like typing, can you list several things like:
roms & kernel
stock/anker battery
battery life
screen time (and possibly voice call time or whatever else that seems to consume lots of the battery life)
highest battery temperature (I recently got pretty high so I was kind of worried)
and anything else you think might worth sharing (favorite actress? :silly
As for me, I recently installed Speed ROM 6.5 with stock kernel on stock battery
I only got 8 hours battery life to get to 14% with 3 hours of screen time (mostly used for game, browsing, and flipboard)
I got up to 100F (~40.5C) after playing a game for about 15-20 mins which made me leave it for a few mins to cool down. The next time I played the game again, it got up to 109F (~43.5C) after playing for 20-30 mins....
I am wondering whether that kind of high temperature is normal or not, and whether my battery life seems ok or bad; which is why I am hoping people can share their experience here. I haven't try using faux kernel though (might try it tomorrow in hope for a better batter life)....
So, again... if anyone got free time and feel like typing, please share it with me :angel:
From my g2 to this phone all I ever see is how bad the battery is. Never noticed a difference switching roms and battery across all smartphones I've used is allot what I expect.
Some people just can't be happy you know. Not to mention people never agree on anything (me included ).
Just my two cents
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Spastic909 said:
From my g2 to this phone all I ever see is how bad the battery is. Never noticed a difference switching roms and battery across all smartphones I've used is allot what I expect.
Some people just can't be happy you know. Not to mention people never agree on anything (me included ).
Just my two cents
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Well, first off, I am not trying to complain about the phone here. All I am asking/trying to find out is whether my experience is "normal" or not for Amaze.
I also come from G2 and obviously the battery life will be worse on the Amaze in general. This phone is 1.5ghz dual core and 4.3" display compared to 800mhz single core and 3.7" display on g2 with only extra ~300mah on the amaze.
I just want to know if my experience of getting only 8 hours battery life (with 3 hours of screen time consist of game and browsing) and getting a high temperature of 109F on the battery is considered "normal" or not for this particular phone. I only have one phone here; so, I don't know if my unit is bad unit or if it is normal for the Amaze.
So again, by all means, I am not trying to complain about this amazing phone here. I am just trying to find out if this is what normally happen with this phone.
And yeah I'm one of those guys that can never be happy :silly:. When I used G2, I want larger phone and faster performance. When I got Amaze, I want slightly larger screen and much better battery performance. So, yeah I can never be happy with my phone :laugh:
The temperature thing is definately normal, it can get pretty high. I've had it go above 109f while on video chats on Skype. As for thebattery, that's normal too its just dependent on the user. U may have something that's running continuously in the background that your not aware of that's causing drainage. Many things that could be effecting the battery really
sent from my NRGized Amaze,
powered by faux kernel v.16
My battery temperature is over 9000!
sorry someone had to say it
@OP, most likely you either have a bad battery, or your phone isn't sleeping properly on idle, or your phone has some problems with the RUU
Code:
Battery is ~1900mAh. If you use it for 3 hours active at around 400mAh, that is 1200mAh
700mAh left for idling the rest of the 5 hours. My idle current usage is around 9-40mAh as reported by Battery Monitor Widget(go to settings, change monitoring mAh to HTC Sensation to get a better reading)
700/5 = 120mAh/hour.... this means your phone isn't sleeping properly
Get CPU Spy... install it, then put your phone down for an hour without using it.... after that, does the report show that it goes to deep sleep?
When I got my phone and flashed the ENERGY rom, I had ~8 hours of total uptime (1-2 hours of usage)... i reflashed the RUU (do it on 100% battery), then it is better now
Now, on the Energy STOCK ICS rom with FAUX latest(0.12?)
Anker battery
15 hours of uptime
1-2 hours of screen-on time(roughly 2-3 hours of phone "awake" time)
don't remember battery temps, but i don't ever remember ti being that high
interactive governor, max frequency 1.4 ghz(to maximize battery life)
data on, autosync on, 2 gmail accounts synced only
My 100%->80% battery drains in 90 minutes, but after that, it slows down
I added the following to build.prop to tweak more battery life
Code:
# Power Save Tweaks
ro.ril.disable.power.collapse=0
pm.sleep_mode=1
If you really want to stretch out the battery, change the governor to powersave(forces processor to 192mhz always), but it definitely lags and I wouldn't recommend it unless you really really need to max battery life
EDIT: Go to Settings->power->see what is using my battery, post a screenshot (this one is 16 hours plus ~2 hours usage)
see the part that says "awake", and the part that says "screen on"? It should be correlate mostly -> when you use your phone's screen, the phone is awake.... when you turn off the screen, the device should be sleeping and not be awake
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The temperature thing is definately normal, it can get pretty high. I've had it go above 109f while on video chats on Skype. As for thebattery, that's normal too its just dependent on the user. U may have something that's running continuously in the background that your not aware of that's causing drainage. Many things that could be effecting the battery really
sent from my NRGized Amaze,
powered by faux kernel v.16
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I guess this phone is just that "hot" eh....
So, you're saying that I should be able to get a better battery life than that?
By the way, did you use Juice Defender or anything like that? Or did you just let your mobile network and wifi on all the time?
`Ghost` said:
My battery temperature is over 9000!
sorry someone had to say it
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It hasn't exploded yet?!?! You can use your battery to heat up your room in winter :silly:
paperWastage said:
@OP, most likely you either have a bad battery, or your phone isn't sleeping properly on idle, or your phone has some problems with the RUU
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Battery is ~1900mAh. If you use it for 3 hours active at around 400mAh, that is 1200mAh
700mAh left for idling the rest of the 5 hours. My idle current usage is around 9-40mAh as reported by Battery Monitor Widget(go to settings, change monitoring mAh to HTC Sensation to get a better reading)
700/5 = 120mAh/hour.... this means your phone isn't sleeping properly
Get CPU Spy... install it, then put your phone down for an hour without using it.... after that, does the report show that it goes to deep sleep?
When I got my phone and flashed the ENERGY rom, I had ~8 hours of total uptime (1-2 hours of usage)... i reflashed the RUU (do it on 100% battery), then it is better now
Now, on the Energy STOCK ICS rom with FAUX latest(0.12?)
Anker battery
15 hours of uptime
1-2 hours of screen-on time(roughly 2-3 hours of phone "awake" time)
don't remember battery temps, but i don't ever remember ti being that high
interactive governor, max frequency 1.4 ghz(to maximize battery life)
data on, autosync on, 2 gmail accounts synced only
My 100%->80% battery drains in 90 minutes, but after that, it slows down
I added the following to build.prop to tweak more battery life
Code:
# Power Save Tweaks
ro.ril.disable.power.collapse=0
pm.sleep_mode=1
If you really want to stretch out the battery, change the governor to powersave(forces processor to 192mhz always), but it definitely lags and I wouldn't recommend it unless you really really need to max battery life
EDIT: Go to Settings->power->see what is using my battery, post a screenshot (this one is 16 hours plus ~2 hours usage)
see the part that says "awake", and the part that says "screen on"? It should be correlate mostly -> when you use your phone's screen, the phone is awake.... when you turn off the screen, the device should be sleeping and not be awake
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Hmm... I would try to check the stuff that you said. I did see the battery use like you did and I have much more awake (since I used it for games and browsing continuosly). But, when I was not using it, it doesn't show that many "awake" status which is why I thought that Amaze battery performance is just that poor. I forgot to try third party app like battery current widget or cpu spy. I will check those out.
Did you use Juice defender or anything like that? Or, did you just set them manually when you need it?
And I did leave my WiFi and auto sync on.... From your usage, I'd assume you turn off your WiFi when you're not using it, right?
Thanks for the input
Edit: So, I am guessing there's a rogue app on my phone? I just reboot my phone, leave it for a minute, and battery current widget shows 200mA on my notification bar
From what I'm reading your a heavy user. Like me lol. The most I get is 6-8 hrs. With 1.5-2 hrs screen on time. Comparing that with others who get double digits It's nothing but I'm a heavy user. I stream Pandora daily surf the internet for 1 hr non stop, xda for most of the time. . And on weekends I'll have most 4 hrs. But 3.5 of those screen on with data streaming and screen on with out going off. Kinda like watching a netflix movie on mobile network. I use my phone like if it is my laptop now. I rarely use my laptop. I don't have internet nor WiFi to connect to. But if I tether I would run out of data faster so I avoid it. Besides battery draining faster.
I think there is a difference between:
1. leaving the screen on for a while, causing the phone and battery to get hot. Specially when gaming because CPU is constantly running.
2. And total screen on time accumulated of 2-4 hrs screen on. Which is achieved when sporadically checking phone for text, calls, email, quick surfing. Then shutting of screen through out the day.CPU goes to deep sleep phone stays cool.
Now that's what I call a heavy user.
Remember when phone is hot battery drains faster so you need to find a way to cool it down. Sometimes there are settings in cpu apps that when phone reaches certain temperature that app will force cpu clock down a lot as to use less power to start cooling down but causing lag.
I've got a 4 month old stock battery with latest faux kernel v.16 with battery saving tweaks on it. Energy rom stock 8-1. If there is anybody that reaches double digits with 6-7 hours 4g mobile streaming not wifi at all. 2 hrs without turning the screen off not 2 total hours. Please say I? I'd really like to know your secret.
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Hmm... I would try to check the stuff that you said. I did see the battery use like you did and I have much more awake (since I used it for games and browsing continuosly). But, when I was not using it, it doesn't show that many "awake" status which is why I thought that Amaze battery performance is just that poor. I forgot to try third party app like battery current widget or cpu spy. I will check those out.
Did you use Juice defender or anything like that? Or, did you just set them manually when you need it?
And I did leave my WiFi and auto sync on.... From your usage, I'd assume you turn off your WiFi when you're not using it, right?
Thanks for the input
Edit: So, I am guessing there's a rogue app on my phone? I just reboot my phone, leave it for a minute, and battery current widget shows 200mA on my notification bar
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Battery Current Widget... go to the options (top right), change the current selection(should be first row, then middle row) to "HTC Sensation" (it'll be more accurate)
that program doesn't accurately report mA if you don't change it(before changing, it'll be screen-off deep sleep 100mAh, but after switching, 10-40mAh)
I don't have Juice Defender on... autosync and data is on all the time
try w/o wifi on... i think wifi should take less battery power than data, but it always depends
on my screenshot, if you go back one and click on the screen-on... what does it say?
what does CPU Spy say about your phone going to deep sleep?
fcpelayo said:
From what I'm reading your a heavy user. Like me lol. The most I get is 6-8 hrs. With 1.5-2 hrs screen on time. Comparing that with others who get double digits It's nothing but I'm a heavy user. I stream Pandora daily surf the internet for 1 hr non stop, xda for most of the time. . And on weekends I'll have most 4 hrs. But 3.5 of those screen on with data streaming and screen on with out going off. Kinda like watching a netflix movie on mobile network. I use my phone like if it is my laptop now. I rarely use my laptop. I don't have internet nor WiFi to connect to. But if I tether I would run out of data faster so I avoid it. Besides battery draining faster.
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Maybe you should try to mod the Atrix Lapdock... if it works, you get a larger screen and a 35W battery
I've got a 4 month old stock battery with latest faux kernel v.16 with battery saving tweaks on it. Energy rom stock 8-1. If there is anybody that reaches double digits with 6-7 hours 4g mobile streaming not wifi at all. 2 hrs without turning the screen off not 2 total hours. Please say I? I'd really like to know your secret.
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if you are only getting 8 hours uptime with 1-2 hours of usage, then your phone's not going to sleep properly... I'd reflash the RUU, then flash Energy ROM and faux kernel... i had that problem before I reflashed RUU (but that was before I knew more about CPU states and mAh usage on this phone, so I don't know if it was a problem with the deep sleep, or the phone not properly updated to ICS when I got it from someone else)
you want to try to max battery life? I can give you hints to hit that mark... it's all about physics/electronics
your battery is 1900mAh.... Using Battery Monitor Widget(with the Settings changed to detect the phone as "HTC Sensation", see above)
With the tweaks in my first post of the build.prop, BMW shows my idle around 10-40mAh..... 10 hours of idle = 100-400mAh. Note, this is with sync and data on... if you use Juice Defender or data off, probably less
So, idle, you use up 400mAh... you have 1500mAh left
1500mAh / 6 hours = 250mAh each hour.... with BWM, it shows that the current usage goes between 100-500mAh depending on how much screen brightness, data used, processor speed... If i choose powersave, I think it goes between 50-300mAh, but its really laggy, noticeable
300mAh * 6 hours = 1800... close enough
to avoid the 100%->90% fast drain, employ bump charging:
either
1) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, wait for it to drop to 90%. replug it, charge to 100%... repeat for 5-10 times
2) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, shutdown. Replug it, wait till the light goes green, boot up, charge to 100%, remove plug and shutdown, replug it , wait till light goes green etc.... do the cycle for 5-10 times
I was trying to see how much I could get out of my phone. I used my phone as little as I could, putting it into airplane mode when I slept.
ROM and Kernel: I was using the latest build of Energy and Faux Kernel v.15 at the time of the picture
Using stock battery, unfortunately I do not know what the highest battery temperature is.
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idaggerpwn said:
I was trying to see how much I could get out of my phone. I used my phone as little as I could, putting it into airplane mode when I slept.
ROM and Kernel: I was using the latest build of Energy and Faux Kernel v.15 at the time of the picture
Using stock battery, unfortunately I do not know what the highest battery temperature is.
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unfortunately, for this device, the screen brightness and dual-cpu takes up a lot of power... if you see the pic below, when you use your phone(screen-on/awake), the battery % left has a sharp drop
I know for my old phone, LG Optimus T, I didn't have a data plan... the phone had data off all the time, and I got days out of using it(phone calls, wifi/browsing, checking gmaps offline)... once I enabled a data plan, it got half (like 1.5 days instead of 4)
if you calculate your usage... its possible
24 hours * 50mAh during idle = 1200 mAh
2 hours * 300mAh/hour during screen-on usage = 600mAh
total = 1800mAh, the capacity of your battery
paperWastage said:
to avoid the 100%->90% fast drain, employ bump charging:
either
1) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, wait for it to drop to 90%. replug it, charge to 100%... repeat for 5-10 times
2) charge your phone to 100%. remove plug, shutdown. Replug it, wait till the light goes green, boot up, charge to 100%, remove plug and shutdown, replug it , wait till light goes green etc.... do the cycle for 5-10 times
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So if I use either of those 2 methods above, is my battery 'cured" of the 100% to 90% fast drain? Or do I have to keep doing it over a period of time?
icepixie said:
So if I use either of those 2 methods above, is my battery 'cured" of the 100% to 90% fast drain? Or do I have to keep doing it over a period of time?
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bump charging only helps you for that one time... you have to do this every time if you want max battery capacity
the problem is 2 things
1) the hardware/software is configured to maximize battery lifespan, meaning to slowly charge it and not go to 100% (high voltage, damages battery)...
2) the hardware/software is poorly coded, can't read the battery voltage properly...
either way, doing this means you are forcing current into the battery every time... your battery will hold less charge in a few months if you force it to full everytime... so you have to get a new battery aftera couple of months or live with lower capacity
I will just try to observe it better tomorrow using all those apps. With much less usage (1.5 hrs of screen time), i only got 11hrs of battery life. The screenshot below is for those 1.5hrs f screen time... I dont use jd and got email sync every 1 or 2 hr though....
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda app-developers app
I tested the idle-deep sleep capacity of the phone...
got 21 hours idle, 17 minutes screen-on (minimal use of phone) with 50% left
here is my phone with data and auto-sync ON, I got roughly 10 emails(all received during different times), had about 10 minutes of phone calls
NOTE: around the first part of the graph, you see the %-left spike up... I rebooted my phone then... and you can see that the battery-monitoring software/hardware part recalibrates itself to the real value
NOTE: cell standby-time of 21 hours used more battery than screen-on of 17 minutes.
When I used the phone for another 15 minutes, screen used 35% of battery while cellular standby dropped to 22%
tl;dr, using the phone, especially the screen, kills the battery a lot more... not using the phone = lasts a long time
paperWastage said:
I tested the idle-deep sleep capacity of the phone...
got 21 hours idle, 17 minutes screen-on (minimal use of phone) with 50% left
here is my phone with data and auto-sync ON, I got roughly 10 emails(all received during different times), had about 10 minutes of phone calls
NOTE: around the first part of the graph, you see the %-left spike up... I rebooted my phone then... and you can see that the battery-monitoring software/hardware part recalibrates itself to the real value
NOTE: cell standby-time of 21 hours used more battery than screen-on of 17 minutes.
When I used the phone for another 15 minutes, screen used 35% of battery while cellular standby dropped to 22%
tl;dr, using the phone, especially the screen, kills the battery a lot more... not using the phone = lasts a long time
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I guess after using all those apps that you mention, I can kind of see that Amaze battery is just way worse than my G2. I was pampered with my G2 battery life for a week and now I realized how bad Amaze battery is. lol
I got 11% left after 12h 15min. That's about 1550mA used (I use stock battery).
almost 3 hours of screen time (3*350) = about 1050mA
25 mins of phone call = ~120 mA
about 8h 45 mins of idle = 360mA
So, yeah, it summed up about right this time (more accurate compared to my first result where I think I got a rogue app)...
**I am eagerly patiently excitedly waiting for a fully working stable CM9 by sport :angel: **
On a side note, just wondering if anyone know if galaxy s2 have better, worse, or about same battery life? I am just curious since s2 is supposed to be amaze rival at t-mob....
Here's mine
Rom: Fourth Bar Jellybean Fusion
Kernel: Faux's Kernel, latest edition [August 15th]
Average Temp: high 90's
Average Battery Life: 5-6 hours.
Realize that what you do with screen on makes a significant difference- If I play organ trail(awesome zombie game styled after old school oregon trail game) I can play for a long time with little battery drain.. but it is a 2d game, and not going to be very processor intensive. If I play final fantasy 3, a 3d game, wow.. battery will drain much quicker, but then again, it IS a 3d game, and processor intensive. So HOW you use your phone is even more important than the screen on time.
With the latest faux(17) kernel, and 2-3 hours of screen on, the last few days I have 45% battery left after 15 hours since unplugged. Maybe 30-45 minutes was organ trail, but not much other gaming. The only changes I made, were made to the kernel, which I posted here(be aware that making all those changes will create some small lag changing screen orientation or opening app drawer, but haven't noticed anything else). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30298629&postcount=4
I also underclock to 1.2ghz- this doesn't create any lag, and no game or app I have used seems to work ANY better @1.5ghz than it does @1.2ghz. The main difference is the voltage it uses at max speed will be less @1.2ghz.
If you have weak 4g signal, there is an app i recently posted in some thread that puts it on 2g while screen off.. that has helped a lot too. If you have constantly good signal, then it won't make MUCH difference(tho 2g does drain less than 4g even with good signal), but it takes up to 2 seconds for it to switch to 4g after screen on. I can wait two seconds before opening an app, I don't care.
I assume you have used betterbatterystats to see what apps keep your phone from deep sleep, under partial wakelock?
And when I get obnoxious drain, but NOT because the phone isn't going into deep sleep.. I turn on the logging of an app called currentwidget- it can actually measure the MAH used while using specific apps.. the app itself can cause a bit of drain, but you'd only use it long enough to see what app is so battery inefficient. I have more about how to use that under battery savings part of the bible in my signature.
Edit: And I consistently get battery temperature of 77.7-77.9F, I always have, no matter the kernel or rom or settings.. perhaps it raises a TINY bit when I play some intensive game, but never noticeable. I am using an anker battery tho, so if you are using stock, perhaps that is a factor.
broker32 said:
Here's mine
Rom: Fourth Bar Jellybean Fusion
Kernel: Faux's Kernel, latest edition [August 15th]
Average Temp: high 90's
Average Battery Life: 5-6 hours.
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Whoa... I suppose there is someone out there with similar condition with mine... I almost thought I am the only one
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Realize that what you do with screen on makes a significant difference- If I play organ trail(awesome zombie game styled after old school oregon trail game) I can play for a long time with little battery drain.. but it is a 2d game, and not going to be very processor intensive. If I play final fantasy 3, a 3d game, wow.. battery will drain much quicker, but then again, it IS a 3d game, and processor intensive. So HOW you use your phone is even more important than the screen on time.
With the latest faux(17) kernel, and 2-3 hours of screen on, the last few days I have 45% battery left after 15 hours since unplugged. Maybe 30-45 minutes was organ trail, but not much other gaming. The only changes I made, were made to the kernel, which I posted here(be aware that making all those changes will create some small lag changing screen orientation or opening app drawer, but haven't noticed anything else). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30298629&postcount=4
I also underclock to 1.2ghz- this doesn't create any lag, and no game or app I have used seems to work ANY better @1.5ghz than it does @1.2ghz. The main difference is the voltage it uses at max speed will be less @1.2ghz.
If you have weak 4g signal, there is an app i recently posted in some thread that puts it on 2g while screen off.. that has helped a lot too. If you have constantly good signal, then it won't make MUCH difference(tho 2g does drain less than 4g even with good signal), but it takes up to 2 seconds for it to switch to 4g after screen on. I can wait two seconds before opening an app, I don't care.
I assume you have used betterbatterystats to see what apps keep your phone from deep sleep, under partial wakelock?
And when I get obnoxious drain, but NOT because the phone isn't going into deep sleep.. I turn on the logging of an app called currentwidget- it can actually measure the MAH used while using specific apps.. the app itself can cause a bit of drain, but you'd only use it long enough to see what app is so battery inefficient. I have more about how to use that under battery savings part of the bible in my signature.
Edit: And I consistently get battery temperature of 77.7-77.9F, I always have, no matter the kernel or rom or settings.. perhaps it raises a TINY bit when I play some intensive game, but never noticeable. I am using an anker battery tho, so if you are using stock, perhaps that is a factor.
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Good to know that. I used a different app to check the current mah and it seems reasonable. I forgot to use better battery stat; but, based on cpu spy, the deep sleep time seems about right... I haven't updated my kernel to v17 (still on v15) and haven't done any edit that you mention since I was still switching roms to find the ROM that suits my need. I might try to do those stuffs today and hope for the best.
And btw, I am kinda jealous with your battery life... 45% left after 15 hours unplugged and 3 hours screen ON
I might get similar result; but my battery left will be 10% and those screen on are mostly on flipboard, xda, and browsing....
Like right now, 6h 10min unplugged, 40 mins of screen on (xda & flipboard), and I am down to 66% :crying:
**On a side note, I just get my hand on gs2 and I am just curious to try and see how good it is since gs2 seems to be such a hyped up device compared to amaze.... :laugh:
shuvarts said:
Like right now, 6h 10min unplugged, 40 mins of screen on (xda & flipboard), and I am down to 66% :crying:
**On a side note, I just get my hand on gs2 and I am just curious to try and see how good it is since gs2 seems to be such a hyped up device compared to amaze.... :laugh:
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Just checked my usage. I'm sorta similar to yours in terms of screen on time. 11 h 43 m since unplugged, 39 min screen on (facebook, news, texts) and I'm down to 62%. My screen on time isnt that high, yet something else is draining my battery.
Awake time is 1 h 44m. Lots of Alarm Manager partial wakelocks. need to figure out what's causing those
The first week I had my 920 I was lucky if the battery was at or above 40% by 12 noon. The 920 is my 2nd phone line and I am using it mostly to learn WP8, to surf the web some and listen to a lot of podcasts, usually 6+ hours of them a day. The past 4 days the battery in the 920 is showing insane runtimes. It is currently 11:30pm and it has been off the charger since 8:00am, over 15 hours with overs 8 hours of audio podcast listening. The battery is currently reading 61%. I originally got the impression that LTE was killing the battery, but that is no longer the case.
I have a Share Plan with AT&T with 2 phones, a Galaxy Nexus (GSM model from Play Store) and a Lumia 920. I use my Nexus as my main phone line, to access GMail and Google Reader (a lot of Google Reader feeds). The Nexus has been off the charger the same period of time and is showing 41%.
For me wifi destroys my battery for some reason I get 15 hours with wi-fi on or 28 with it off
Interesting, mine will usually run for 24-30 hours before hitting 15%, including regular usage. 4G gives it a whack but generally I find similar to other phones, if low coverage it chews the battery
Reading all the doom and gloom of 4G LTE on various mobile phones, after my 1st weeks experience, I was expecting similar results going forward. But, after 2 weeks of use, the battery falls in line with the results you mention. And, with that I am not complaining.
same situation here.
It looks like the phone needs some days to warm up and get long lasting.
Also I see that wp8 is heavly optimized for background task in order to not consume a lot of battery eg: my phone lasts more than 2 days with light usage.
I listen to podcast for many hours and it doesnt affect the battery that much, in fact I'm surprised by it because I know audio playing takes a load on the cpu.
Mine.. overnight without charge or using the phone it drained from 100% down to 35%. BS
Two words: Background tasks.
Make sure you don't have unnecessary background tasks running. I have less than 5 and my battery runs more than 2 days easily.
How do you kill or monitor background tasks?
I had really good battery time of 19 hours the first day of installing the new firmware, then I enabled bluetooth again and it drains like crazy. its hit or miss but people seem to think that whatsapp drains battery. I personally would like to disable LTE (its really slow in my area) and just keep bluetooth that seems to give me 12+ hrs of battery.
randy_c said:
How do you kill or monitor background tasks?
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You can block background tasks for 3rd party apps in Settings->Applications tab->Background tasks. There is no way to monitor these tasks because WP OS doesn't offer any such capability.
Unfortunately there is no easy way to block 1st party apps and if they are misbehaving (like sync something over and over), there is nothing you can do about it.
Turn on Battery Saver can also effectively kill all background tasks. But that's draconian. I still would like my smartphone do something in the background for me.
Don't forget, the biggest battery drain factor could be your cell phone signal. If you keep the phone in a fringe area, the cell radio will drain your battery very quickly while try to maintain communications with cell towers. This is outside the OS and you can't do anything about it.
I had a weird battery drain the day after the last upgrade. No apps running in the background BAR the movie that i had paused.. I lost 80% without using the phone in a 6 hour period (post charging). After a reboot it seems ok. Perhaps i should pause another movie to see if it happens again....
I must say that I have mine 2 days and the battery drains too fast... I dont know what to do .. Maybe because its new ? Some one can help me maybe ?
rotter123 said:
I must say that I have mine 2 days and the battery drains too fast... I dont know what to do .. Maybe because its new ? Some one can help me maybe ?
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don't judge a phone's battery life until a week later.
foxbat121 said:
don't judge a phone's battery life until a week later.
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in wp8 is 2 weeks later
My battery is pretty inconsistent. MOST of the time it's awesome, and will last like 20-25 hours without needing to charge, but that just makes it especially jarring when every now and then I go to check my phone at 4 in the afternoon and it's at critical, and I have no idea what causes it.
Plus when it does die I have to put it on the charger for like 2 hours before it will let me turn it on.
I found interesting point in the battery life today, if the screen is off, the battery drain is in the range of 3-4% which is good, however, if the screen goes on the battery drops like 15% in just 25 minutes. After thinking I tried to set the screen sensitivity to normal and it solved my problem. I kept the screen on for more than 45 minutes and the battery went down almost 6% only which is good. I still have to test more to give a concrete evidence.
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I usually run a battery discharge app Saturday night. Then a full recharge with the phone off. That usually gives me dependable battery life of about 12 hours a day for the entire week. If I forget and not run the discharger I notice it midways into the week when I only get about 8 hours out of it.
AT&T lumia920:
after updating my phone to the 1314 update, my battery life got worse.
I went from 14 hours per day to only 8 hours.
thanks nokia -_-
note: I was not experiencing any connectivity issues on my phone.
let's see how many people here actually have NFC on and Auto-Brightness on... lol
I used the sleep app last night after charging to 100%, and then I fell asleep with it on.
I woke up to find the sounds still going, and when I checked my phone worried that I killed the charge, I found it still had 92% left. That's impressive.
When you sleep, does your phone sleep, or does it stay up all night and crunch 1s and 0s? Rate this thread to express how you deem the speed at which the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+'s battery drains under standby conditions. A higher rating indicates that when the phone is not in use, the battery drains minimally.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
4g drain is much better than it was on the s10, but overnight its still a mixed bag. One night it was 3% overnight, another it was 12%.
One night forgot to charge the phone. It drained less than 5% overnight.
I lose a couple percent per night tops
IMO it would be helpful if posters stated SD/Exynos and stock/debloated/custom . My stock SD runs about 0.5 to 1%/hour and I would be very envious if that couple percent per night was stock also. Once I debloat it and get rid of most of the crap I don't use 2 percent per night would be something I would actually expect.
If wifi signal is strong, less battery drain. If on LTE and the signal is strong, less drain. BUT if wifi or 4gLTE is weak, expect greater battery drain. Also i turn off GPS for lesser drain.
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Qualcmm
Power save mode
Stock/disabled unused, unneeded apps and services that I don't use or need.
I lose about 3 percent over night, from 8pm to about 4am. Wish adhell was still available I could've saved an additional 1 to 1.5 percent. That's like an additional 10+ minutes of screen on time wasted.
Note 10+ Exynos
Full monty (wifi, 4G, gps, bluetooth, nfc, sync etc .. ALL on!)
No power saving settings, no bixby routines to save battery, Full WQHD+
Stock
disabled apps: Facebook, Write on PDF and Chrome
So basically everything that could be set to ON, I did turn ON. I like to have a smartphone, not a dumbphone.
loses 5% in 6 hours.
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Note 10+ Exynos
Full monty (wifi, 4G, gps, bluetooth, nfc, sync etc .. ALL on!)
No power saving settings, no bixby routines to save battery, Full WQHD+
Stock
disabled apps: Facebook, Write on PDF and Chrome
So basically everything that could be set to ON, I did turn ON. I like to have a smartphone, not a dumbphone.
loses 5% in 6 hours.
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Heh heh heh.....that's like having all the lights, TVs and appliances on in the house while you're asleep in the bedroom. But alas it's your phone, do what you will.
I on the other hand did a few more tweaks and now losing about 2% loss from 9 to 4:30 that's about 1% per 3.5 hours compared to your 1.2 per 1%.
It's an asinine notion to think that having all things on at all times somehow makes your phone any smarter than any other. I mean your phone isn't smarter than any dumb phone if it's not being used. The phone might be smart but the user.....well that's still up for debate.
So just a few questions
Why have services on that you're not using or never will use?
Why waste battery power and charge cycles?
Why do you feel that having all those services on when not being used is better than turning them on only when they're needed?
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Heh heh heh.....that's like having all the lights, TVs and appliances on in the house while you're asleep in the bedroom. But alas it's your phone, do what you will.
I on the other hand did a few more tweaks and now losing about 2% loss from 9 to 4:30 that's about 1% per 3.5 hours compared to your 1.2 per 1%.
It's an asinine notion to think that having all things on at all times somehow makes your phone any smarter than any other. I mean your phone isn't smarter than any dumb phone if it's not being used. The phone might be smart but the user.....well that's still up for debate.
So just a few questions
Why have services on that you're not using or never will use?
Why waste battery power and charge cycles?
Why do you feel that having all those services on when not being used is better than turning them on only when they're needed?
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I didn't say I do not use services. I use those services and features for automation purposes a lot!.
Let me state it otherwise, I (want to) use the full potential of my device all the time. We are talking about 0.2% battery difference per hour. That is 4.8% battery difference over the course of 24 hours. Since I charge my device at least once somewhere in those 24 hours I do not concider that as an issue. It is such a minor difference I personally don't want to bother myself with the hassle of turning off some features, and keep myself reminding to turn them on again the next morning.
And no.. I do not leave my TV on when not in use. But I also do not leave the screen of my phone on while I sleep. But I do use all the possible features of my TV when using it. See the difference?
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I didn't say I do not use services. I use those services and features for automation purposes a lot!.
Let me state it otherwise, I (want to) use the full potential of my device all the time. We are talking about 0.2% battery difference per hour. That is 4.8% battery difference over the course of 24 hours. Since I charge my device at least once somewhere in those 24 hours I do not concider that as an issue. It is such a minor difference I personally don't want to bother myself with the hassle of turning off some features, and keep myself reminding to turn them on again the next morning.
And no.. I do not leave my TV on when not in use. But I also do not leave the screen of my phone on while I sleep. But I do use all the possible features of my TV when using it. See the difference?
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Hmm, I hear what you're trying to say but your math is wrong. I mean think about it, you lose 5% in 6 hours of idle time, then in a 24 hour period your phone lose 20% of its battery doing nothing.
OK let's put it another way, you lose .83% each hour when you're not using your phone so over a 24 hour period you're only able to use 80% of your battery because 20% is wasted doing nothing.
Over a 5 day period you lose 1 charge cycle count on your battery doing absolutely nothing.
I see that as an extraordinary waste. I on the other hand lose 2% in 7 hours of idle time, that's .26% each hour and about 6% over a 24 hour period. 16 days to lose charge cycle count based on idle time.
.83 vs .26
20 vs 6
5 vs 16
Those are huge differences, so not sure where you got the:
"We are talking about 0.2% battery difference per hour. That is 4.8% battery difference over the course of 24 hours"
But as I've said it's your phone use it how you will. There's no wrong way in using your phone, use it in whatever way meets your needs.
I on the other hand feels that efficiency and battery life are paramount.
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Note 10+ Exynos
Full monty (wifi, 4G, gps, bluetooth, nfc, sync etc .. ALL on!)
No power saving settings, no bixby routines to save battery, Full WQHD+
Stock
disabled apps: Facebook, Write on PDF and Chrome
So basically everything that could be set to ON, I did turn ON. I like to have a smartphone, not a dumbphone.
loses 5% in 6 hours.
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My man...why buy power phone and than dim screen to 20%, disable all and than brag how you save couple percent of batt...
Anyway I saw you had note 8. I've got it now and thinking of buying note 10...are you happy now that you change it or you feel it was waste of money?...Are cameras at least decent upgrade or?
Makonator said:
My man...why buy power phone and than dim screen to 20%, disable all and than brag how you save couple percent of batt...
Anyway I saw you had note 8. I've got it now and thinking of buying note 10...are you happy now that you change it or you feel it was waste of money?...Are cameras at least decent upgrade or?
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Not to butt in, but I had a Note8 and Note9 prior to this Note10+. This thing handily wipes the floor with both devices. Huge upgrade from the Note8 for sure!
PsiPhiDan said:
Not to butt in, but I had a Note8 and Note9 prior to this Note10+. This thing handily wipes the floor with both devices. Huge upgrade from the Note8 for sure!
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thx my man...Im thinking about note 10 + or oneplus 7 pro...but I don't like curves on it...
Makonator said:
My man...why buy power phone and than dim screen to 20%, disable all and than brag how you save couple percent of batt...
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hehhehhheh "Standby drain" my friend, has nothing to do with dimming screens or SoT. If you're not using the phone why let it drain and go to waste? why not put it to good use like towards more NFC, more wifi, more bluetooth? more Samsung Pay? more Browsing, screen on time? towards more of the services you actually use?
Losing 20% of your battery power in 24 hours doing nothing is just stupid imo. You know....thinking about it, that 20% wasted battery could've given you about 2 to 3 hours of additional SoT. So instead of getting 5 to 6 hours you could be getting 8 to 9. OH what a difference a "couple percent of batt..." could make.
Man, it has nothing to do with bragging but it has a lot to do with common sense.
Makonator said:
My man...why buy power phone and than dim screen to 20%, disable all and than brag how you save couple percent of batt...
Anyway I saw you had note 8. I've got it now and thinking of buying note 10...are you happy now that you change it or you feel it was waste of money?...Are cameras at least decent upgrade or?
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Wait..what? Where I am bragging? I just said I actually use my phone with as much features and options enabled. I simply do not care about saving some extra percent of battery.
regarding the upgrade: yes i'm happy.
lennie said:
Hmm, I hear what you're trying to say but your math is wrong. I mean think about it, you lose 5% in 6 hours of idle time, then in a 24 hour period your phone lose 20% of its battery doing nothing.
OK let's put it another way, you lose .83% each hour when you're not using your phone so over a 24 hour period you're only able to use 80% of your battery because 20% is wasted doing nothing.
"We are talking about 0.2% battery difference per hour. That is 4.8% battery difference over the course of 24 hours"
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Again...I do not care about the difference, because the 20% battery loss per 24h is mostly the time when I sleep and not using the phone anyway. Off course when I'm in a situation where I can not charge my phone, I switch off unused options to save battery. But in normal day use I find on/off toggling too much hassle.
You guys should take your conversation into a DM maybe..
Snapdragon
WQHD
Location on
Bluetooth on (Galaxy watch)
Optimized mode, with adaptive battery
Left my phone off the charger last night, 87% at 12:45. woke up at 9:15 to 82, but about 10 seconds after I started using my phone it went to 81%. This a normal standby drain? Forgot to take a screenshot, but it looked/looks like my Android system is always second to screen in the battery section.
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Wait..what? Where I am bragging? I just said I actually use my phone with as much features and options enabled. I simply do not care about saving some extra percent of battery.
regarding the upgrade: yes i'm happy.
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No I don't think he was saying you were bragging at all. I think he was saying people who post great screen on times and prefer more efficient use of their phones are somehow bragging.
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Again...I do not care about the difference, because the 20% battery loss per 24h is mostly the time when I sleep and not using the phone anyway. Off course when I'm in a situation where I can not charge my phone, I switch off unused options to save battery. But in normal day use I find on/off toggling too much hassle.
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I understand that which is why I said it's your phone, use it how you will.
I just got my Note10+, 5 days ago, and it is draining 31% !!! overnight (7h of sleep). This is really too much, specially considering it is a big battery...
I leave it with everything on (wifi, bluetooth, nfc, etc). I come from an S8 and, in the same conditions, S8 just drained around 9% over night (with a much smaller battery).
Going to the Battery usage, I don't find anything strange, but I see that the data there is not accurate. For example in the last 1 Day I played a game for 3 hours and the battery usage shows only 40m active for that game.
Don't really know where to start to solve the issue...
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I just got my Note10+, 5 days ago, and it is draining 31% !!! overnight (7h of sleep). This is really too much, specially considering it is a big battery...
I leave it with everything on (wifi, bluetooth, nfc, etc). I come from an S8 and, in the same conditions, S8 just drained around 9% over night (with a much smaller battery).
Going to the Battery usage, I don't find anything strange, but I see that the data there is not accurate. For example in the last 1 Day I played a game for 3 hours and the battery usage shows only 40m active for that game.
Don't really know where to start to solve the issue...
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Woah that is a huge drop I would've lost my mind waking up and seeing that. Did you restore from a backup when setting up your phone? Usually you want to stay away from restoring settings unless going to the same type phone/phone.
Or you have an app that went rogue. Make sure to check your data usage to see if any app used more data that you think it should. Like if you installed a keyboard, it shouldn't be having 300+MB worth of network traffic.
But for what it's worth my guess is it's a Samsung smartswitch restore issue. In which case you'd probably have to do a settings reset or last resort a full reset then only restore your data next time around.