Is it too early to ask for some forums to be set up for the Motorola Photon 4G since its release is Sunday?
I asked earlier this week as well... And the phone is officially released.
No joy so far and I'm not sure why they are so slow to pull the trigger.
'They' are slow to pull the trigger because:
1) You need at least 1,000 hits of interest before any device is considered for a forum; and
2) It'll already be unpopular with the Moderation team as there are exactly 896,983 threads asking exactly the same thing.
Kudos to you for actually posting it in Q&A, but next time please search before posting a new thread.
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Sorry I missed the town hall meeting. I am a noob to Roms and phone moding, I did do a lot with the original xbox back when it was fun to mod. Ok a little off toppic.
One thing that noticed you never looked at is where are your noobs (me) comming in to your site? I have only been looking at roms for about a week. All of the searches that I did about roms and rooting my phone all led me to the "The Bible" and yes where is that located at. Most people will post there they find the information. You might look at moving that post to the general tab as this is going to be one of the first places that a person is going to look to first.
This will also be a place that a noob is going to post so dumb question for the 1,000,000th time. If you expect it, it will not be a bad thing.
And yes I did to a bad flash and spent about 5 hours looking for a way to fix what I did.
Thanks for your time and have a great day/night
Good point. I myself was thinking when I first started to look into flashing ROMs and such and found the bible in the Dev section. The Vibrant Bible has lots of information and should probably be in the General Section as it does draw people to the Dev section instead of General.
Maybe it should be in the Q&A forum as it has lots of both.
One of the biggest problems with this forum seems to be that for a development forum, there is very little actual development going on. Obviously only a select group of people have the knowledge and desire to truly develop custom ROMs, but there's a role others can take too.
I've been involved in other development communities, outside of Android, and I can't recall a community as poisonous as this one. The amount of high level technical discussion is nill. As inexperienced as I am with Android, I can't remember the last post that sent me running to google to read more about something. There seems to be little to no give-and-take between developers, which is typically the most fun of any development group I've been a part of. The goal of working towards any common framework seems non-existant.
The supporters of certain ROMs resemble cults more than critical, helpful users. I can't count the amount of replies I've seen to legitimate questions or criticisms saying nothing more than, "Developer X puts in all this time, so you should just be thankful", or some iteration of that. While possibly true, that's the type of worthless hero worship that provides nothing in a community like this.
Even the individual developer forums are worthless. They're 75% "you're awesome" posts, with the other 25% being bug reports.
Obviously the popularity of XDA has made it a destination for simple support posts in addition to development discussion. I guess that's frustrating, but can be handled through moderation. I know on other forums, if I had nothing to do, I'd sit in the help section and answer posts for a couple hours. I'm sure we've all posted on other forums and received helped we're thankful for. Certainly the level of douchebagery that half the users here show isn't needed.
I don't know. Maybe all Android communities are like this. The fragmentation of the development, even on one divice, definitely doesn't help. But it's not the most enjoyable place to read I've ever found.
This is all you need to know:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9831517&postcount=3
The town hall closed too soon, closed 5pm eastern time. Sucks for us on the west coast. I was actually typing and clicked send when I noticed the forum already was closed.
scrizz said:
This is all you need to know:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9831517&postcount=3
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I am sorry that is not all that I needed to know. This was a post for an idea that was not brough up in the town hall. yes I did read the full town hall and no it was never said in the full thread. So before you give a link please make sure of the Question.
That is another reason that you get people pissed off. You have people say "this is all that I need to know" but they did not even look at the full question. This was not a question of what happened in the town hall. It was more like please think of this.
The Bilble thread is a great place for people that are new to star reading about what to do and what not to do. but it really does not have a thing to do about develement.
Thanks for all the other posters I enjoyed the coments.
Solved, Thanks.
Seriously, could you not think of posting this in the dev thread!?
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What are you talking about? You can't post stuff like this in the Development sub category, can you?
did you make sure to redirect the cmd to the folder where you keep the fastboot.exe?
You obviously read how to do this unlocking IN A DEV THREAD, which is where it came from.
Seriously. Do a search before you post.
It's part of the rules.
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You obviously read how to do this unlocking IN A DEV THREAD, which is where it came from.
Seriously. Do a search before you post.
It's part of the rules.
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You do know that they specifically tell you to post questions and such on development in this forum rather than clutter the development forum. I know this because due to my low post count, I'm not allowed to post in there and it tells me the reasoning is to avoid questions on development that should go here...
and here's a copy of those rules
"While you may be an expert, we ask ALL users to avoid posting questions about using or installing ROMs and software in the Development Forums...
To ask Questions about developing your device, installing ROMs, software and themes you must go to the Q&A or General Forum."
Where does this thread deal with roms?
The fact is that we have like 60 bootloader threads in every section.We need either 1 main one and a couple offshoots or just 1 for every category... well that's my 2 cents, finding a thread not hijacked by bootloader is pretty hard right now.
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Mgamerz said:
Where does this thread deal with roms?
The fact is that we have like 60 bootloader threads in every section.We need either 1 main one and a couple offshoots or just 1 for every category... well that's my 2 cents, finding a thread not hijacked by bootloader is pretty hard right now.
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not rom specifically but the spirit is questions go here, but trust me i understand your frustration with the tons of threads on the topic
Hi SGS2 peeps,
First off I'm a epic 4g user, my girl friend bought SGS2 i9100 so I headed to XDA right away.
Looked under SGS2 i9100 there are 2 developments?? Thats confusing I had to read through http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1175660 to understand what exactly the issue is,
Anyways to voice my opinion I DON'T support split at all.
Reason: As a mere new user I don't want to look in two places and decide what to do more than anything else it is confusing.
If any developer so want to then they can easily create their own web portal for e.g. ACSyndicate over at EPIC 4G, they have probably the best ROMs for epic and have their own website, however they still actively post new development over here at XDA as well.
Anyways thats just my view, I don't think it matters to mods. So the question is: Which ROM currently users are favoring? and is there any separate forum (other than XDA) for SGS2 to follow ?
I dont support the same question or topic posted multiple times .
Nor do i support questions posted in the wrong forum .
jje
Even I don't like duplicate questions but if above mentioned thread was not closed I would have replied to that only.
Well in any case if this thread is so much bothering, moderators can delete / move it, I'm pretty sure they can do this much after going all the way to split the forum.
For all the Devs in the ASGS2 forum, are you guys finding your rom/kernel threads being clogged up with a bunch of random questions/issues? How would you feel if I made you all each a Q&A thread dedicated to your work in the Q&A forum? Do you feel that would help you/your thread? Please let me know what you think or how you feel, and hit up the poll to cast your vote.
This was done in the Cappy section because they had a minimum post restriction to keep the spoon feeding clutter down in the Dev section. Not sure if that restriction is also in this section. It was only like 10 post minimum though.
I tried to do this manually with Hellraiser, but it hasn't really taken off. To be honest, right now the I777 community isn't the epic cesspool that some other forums are. However over time this could change... But the kinds of users that clutter development threads are the kind who don't bother to go to Q&A threads - so does it really help anything?
we did this over in captivate forums, it worked well.
we did this over in inspire forums, it was met with serious backlash by lazy ass people, and ignorance to change.
tough decision. Entropy has a point, those people wouldnt bother going to a Q&A thread...the Q&A threads should be a place where the users help each other out and raise issues. the dev threads should be there to report ACTUAL issues and request features. what happens is that one person has a problem with flashing the rom and they assume its the devs fault, and the rom is broken, and they report it as a bug....its a vicious cycle that will never end.
Well this forum is for you guys, so if you dont think its needed then I wont worry about it... just trying to help all the great devs out and make things easier if I can.
If you guys have any other suggestions or want to try something out, feel free to say.
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im no developer but ive been around the forums and have come from a forum with less of a following. the problem is that the people who are asking the question's in the threads are 60-70% of the time dont read directions and will end up posting in the wrong forum anyways.... its a novel idea but i dont think it will take off, unless you lock the rom forum to devs and testers only
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im no developer but ive been around the forums and have come from a forum with less of a following. the problem is that the people who are asking the question's in the threads are 60-70% of the time dont read directions and will end up posting in the wrong forum anyways.... its a novel idea but i dont think it will take off, unless you lock the rom forum to devs and testers only
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That sort of defeats the purpose I think, and I also believe that most Devs here like to have people post in their threads.
Alright guys. Ill keep it the way it already is. If your threads seem to get clogged, or you want your own dedicated Q&A thread, let me know and Ill make the adjustment at that time. Thanks for all your feedback.
I would appreciate it, so far most of the users in this forum are above average when it comes to figuring things out own their own (searching). Only thing is I wish there was more ROM choices/themes.
I don't feel the need for a Q&A thread right now. I find it a bit tedious to follow two threads for my ROMs instead of one. Also, I don't really mind a few redundant questions here and there as long as it doesn't get out of hand, which it hasn't yet.
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we did this over in captivate forums, it worked well.
we did this over in inspire forums, it was met with serious backlash by lazy ass people, and ignorance to change.
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I wasn't a lazy ass or ignorant!!!!
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I wasn't a lazy ass or ignorant!!!!
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lol. feelin guilty are ya?
Not a dev, but I do post quite often in both the dev and QA sections. I don't think there should be two threads. It seems it is more effective if there is only one thread dedicated to that rom/modem/kernel, with all bugs and support given out. Of course if you have a more complex issue, it should have it's own thread. But small issues with the rom or questions regarding how something works should be contained in the same thread as the development of the rom.
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Not a dev, but I do post quite often in both the dev and QA sections. I don't think there should be two threads. It seems it is more effective if there is only one thread dedicated to that rom/modem/kernel, with all bugs and support given out. Of course if you have a more complex issue, it should have it's own thread. But small issues with the rom or questions regarding how something works should be contained in the same thread as the development of the rom.
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i agree with this, but there tends to be an influx of people posting the same CRAP over and over and over and over in a dev thread. personally i dont give 2 flips about someone saying "THANKS!" or "CANT WAIT TO FLASH THIS!" or "WHEN IS THE NEXT UPDATE?!", i want to see CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms, requests, or logcats. having to filter through all the BS really makes it difficult to discern actual issues from fluff. there tends to be a lot of fluff that happens.
i see the dev threads as being specifically for requests/bug-tracking/break-fixes. the other stuff belongs in a thread where the users can praise, bicker, ask questions repeatedly (how do i flash this?). it should be peers helping out peers, and let the devs work on their stuff. but alas, we will never have utopian bliss....
we are lucky we havent seen much of that at all here in the GS2 forums, but man some of the other forums are riddled with noobery. lets just try to keep it clean and ask our members to mind the rules and understand whats going on.
Yeah... I think as long as things don't become like the Infuse forums where some of the ROM threads became utter nightmares we'll be fine. But let's keep it in our back pocket in case we need it. I may even discontinue my Hellraiser Q&A for the time being.
If there's anything we may need, it may potentially be to split the development forum like the I9100 forums were in order to differentiate ports of other developer's ROMs from actual development. It isn't too bad here yet, but the Infuse forums are chock full of integrated Hellraiser ports and it's difficult to find original development among all of the ports.
I think the definitions for "Original" vs "not original" in the I9100 forums seem to be a bit arbitrary, if we DO ever go that route here I think it needs to be clearer.
"Original" - You yourself have taken a stock ROM (may be stock for another device) and modified it from scratch on the I777. All kernel development can remain here in my opinion. Discussion of actual porting techniques used by the other section can be here.
"Not original" - Another dev creates a ROM for another device, and an I777 user ports it to the I777 via Hellraiser or another technique. e.g. Hellraiser-integrated ROMs and such.
We don't need this yet here but we may - and honestly the Infuse forums need it.
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For all the Devs in the ASGS2 forum, are you guys finding your rom/kernel threads being clogged up with a bunch of random questions/issues? How would you feel if I made you all each a Q&A thread dedicated to your work in the Q&A forum? Do you feel that would help you/your thread? Please let me know what you think or how you feel, and hit up the poll to cast your vote.
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I did this in the forums that PG mentioned. While yes it was a bit of a headache in the inspire forums ( they are getting used to it) and the captivate section went off without an issue I would say to go for it and if needed ill help where I can. I have to admite the 2 forums that I did this for once it was gotten by most needs less cleaning now for sure. Mainly when other users back you on it.
Personally I think it would be really helpful if individual posts could be categorized and/or sorted within a thread. That way all posts relating to a specific rom/development topic could remain in the same thread, but you could then filter out the garbage, sort through the questions, and find posts that are truly relevant to the topic or project or whatever. It would still depend on the users to label posts properly, but I think we're all in agreement that there is no perfect solution to the issue.
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Personally I think it would be really helpful if individual posts could be categorized and/or sorted within a thread. That way all posts relating to a specific rom/development topic could remain in the same thread, but you could then filter out the garbage, sort through the questions, and find posts that are truly relevant to the topic or project or whatever. It would still depend on the users to label posts properly, but I think we're all in agreement that there is no perfect solution to the issue.
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I'm not a Dev myself but I do feel two threads isn't an ideal solution... Most ignorant people who can't find an answer in five second's or just don't feel like even trying to search will always head to the source of their ROM issues. Now if the method 10tonhammer described seems like an okay idea as long as any average person takes the task upon themselves to tag their post properly. Either way I'm not exactly the prime example of good manners on XDA (Feel's Guilty)
I am learning at least <3
Lastly Thank you to all Dev's and Mod's who make this the most pleasant interaction between Developer and User possible.
I just switched to AT&T. I came from Sprint with an EVO 3D and so far it is the best decision I have ever made. I was getting .05mbps with sprint and now I am getting 3mbps and ATT says 4G is coming to my area soon. I already like the phone a lot more than the EVO too.
I am not new to rooting I probably flashed 20+ ROMS on my evo but I just wanted to ask a few questions before I make the jump.
1. This is my first GSM carrier so I am new to SIM cards. When rooting/flashing is there any concern with this?
2. If someone could please link me to the best root method that would be great
3. I always have a hard time choosing from so many ROMS. Stability is big for me. I usually dont participate in beta roms. I need everything to work. I would like a ROM that gets rid of bloatware, unlocks tethering, and adds performance tweaks like zip aligning and stuff. If someone could link me to a ROM that meets these needs that would be great as well.
4. If you have any tips or anything to give to a new SGII owner please do. I want to get the most out of my phone.
Thanks for the help in advance!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286432
Has everything you need.
There are a lot of stickys in the dev section on rooting.
ROMS...
We have lots of great devs so... make a good backup a flash yourself into a frenzy and have fun ;-)
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We have a blanket rule that we dont allow "best roms" because all it seems to do it become a fanboy thread.
As always with XDA, we highly encourage that users read. This specific forum has a lot of good information written within the stickies. There are step by step walkthroughs, videos and a huge FAQ. Everything you need to know can be contained in those threads (found in the General and Development sections).
But due to a recent influx of repetitious threads all asking the same thing (for help), we have instated this policy and because of that, this thread will be closed.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to post them in the appropriate threads with the appropriate forum section. Thank you and enjoy your new Galaxy S II.