when using my phone in the car, i have the phone stream bluetooth to the cars stereo for audio, and navigation, i used the headunits built in usb to charge the phone wilst doing this, and noticed that at the end of a 4 hour journey, the batter had drained from 98% to 23%. So i bought a samsung in car charger and spent hours installing it with now wires around the front (im very perticular about this) and im still on a negative charge. Im running cognition s2 v1.31, and using poweramp for audio (only one that seems to work with a2dp) and copilot/google maps for navigation. When i run these programs, if i hit task manager it says there only using around 14% cpu each, so why on earth would it be getting a negative charge?
How about if you try and use none or maybe just one function of phone whilst on charge cable and see how battery performs.
Next check I would is to use charger in another car and see if the problem is in the hole in the car where you put the charger.
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When i run these programs, if i hit task manager it says there only using around 14% cpu each, so why on earth would it be getting a negative charge?
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Is the display on all the time? That's usually what drains the most battery when combined with navigation.
This phone consumes too much power for running and charging in your case. Ordinary USB chargers use to provide no more than 500mA. It's not enough. You need much more. Just to try something more powerful - like iPhone 4 usb car charger. Probably it will solve your problem.
Well, ive gone and bought a charger rated at 1000ma, and it doesnt loose as much yet its still a negative charge, he screen is on consantly. After more heavy testing, using pwer amp only streaming audio was fine, it charged pretty quick, using google maps only, it charged, not as quick but it did, same with copilot, what annoys me is i came from an iphone 4, and was able to use tomtom as well as streaming bluetooth and it used o charge pretty quick, and never get nearly as warm, im so contemplating selling the sgs2 nd going back to iphone
Its already been documented. This phone pulls more power than the charger supplies. This is limited in the kernel so nothing you can do other than not use the phone that hard.
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Hello,
I went through two car chargers and found out that they are not really charging, or if they are its very super slow. I also found the same thing happens when active sync is on. I know on kaiser there is an option that enables/disables charging, but no option exists on AP3.0. So, is there a trick to this or what ?
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I have found that you need a specific charger for the Advantage to get anything above trickle charge. On an Advantage, trickle charge is not enough to charge the device whilst it is in use i.e. it will still discharge even if a little more slowly. I initially used an HP charger from another device with the Advantage in my car and this is exactly what happened. I got a proper one for the Advantage and the device charges without difficulty even with all the radios, GPS, etc. on. This proper charger was not HTC badged but was designed for the Advantage. I am sure it is something to do with clever circuitry in the device or the charger that switches charging to trickle if it doesn't recognise the device it is connected to.
Hope this helps.
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What charger did you get? Any source is greatly appreciated.
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marek101 said:
What charger did you get? Any source is greatly appreciated.
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I believe you need to make sure the charger puts out 1.5 Amps. Somebody know if this is correct? My Dell Axim needed that much to charge and run GPS.
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Hi there,
I bought the charger in the following link:
http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/HTC_Accessories/HTC_Advantage/HTC_ADVANTAGE_CAR_CHARGER.html
Cheap, and worked perfectly. I also bought the car mount from here.
no wonder, why my phone seems never to charger
I just use an inverter and the normal adapter with mine Cost me £20 a couple of years ago, but means I can charge my ameo, laptop, phone, or any other device I choose using standard charger. Saved me loads in the long run
the designed charger for the Ameo is 1 amp, a usb car, charger will only be about 0.5 amp, this is probably why its slower. I can charge my niki no problem, but my ipaq and ameo take all day in the car. I think inverters are on special at maplin at the moment. probably a cheaper way for me to charge everything in the car.
I had this problem and bought the following charger, it works a treat !
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-AMP-IN-CAR-...photoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
sometimes if your charger is aftermarket it dosen't work. happens with me with mp3 playerz too
guys the charger has to be 2 amp and better for u to maintain a charge while running everything (gps, bluetooth, wifi) especially if u get hsdpa signal. Oh this is my first post ever from the Advantage.
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guys the charger has to be 2 amp and better for u to maintain a charge while running everything (gps, bluetooth, wifi) especially if u get hsdpa signal. Oh this is my first post ever from the Advantage.
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I actually disagree, I can do all that while being plugged into a regular electric outlet and the output rating for that charger is 5V 1Amp. So a 1A Car charger will do just fine.
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I actually disagree, I can do all that while being plugged into a regular electric outlet and the output rating for that charger is 5V 1Amp. So a 1A Car charger will do just fine.
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I Disagree, Because i have bought two car charger with 1Amp both did not worked. Then i bought a 2Amp car charger it worked perfectly.
Therefore i think it will need 2Amp car charger to charge and give power to GPS, Bluetooth, etc. 1Amp may charge your Athena but it need to switched off(put into standby)
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This question has been discussed before in this forum. Look at this thread.
Put special attention to post #5. It seems that HTC uses one pin of the mini-usb connector (it has 5 pins while standar usb connector need only 4) to differentiate between charger and sync.
If the charger does not have this pin configured correctly , the athena thinks that it is a connection form a PC and does not start the fast charging.
Other option is to use a special adaptor like the one from PPC Tech (PPC Techs HTC Advantage Lil Sync DUO Mini-5 USB Adapter avaliable on expansys), that allows you to enable fast charging with any charger (minimun 1A). I have used it successfully with several car chargers.
Reminds me of this discussion http://www.modaco.com/content/HTC-Typhoon-Variants-Typhoon-MoDaCo-com/115090/Car-Charger/
Still doesn't charge enough even w/ HTC charger
Yes. The pin configuration is different for the Athena. Yes, it needs higher amperage to charge. However, even when taking all these things into account, there's still a problem.
I bought the HTC car charger precisely to avoid the problem of undercharging / pin misconfiguration. Yet, I still have problems. Whenever I drive long distances (4 hrs +, vacation, etc.), I generally have the gps running along with bluetooth for my ear piece (in case of phone calls), and I have an mp3 player going for tunes (running off the MD). Since it's generally a bright, sunny day, I also have the screen at full brightness (otherwise you can't see it at all.) Even with the HTC charger which is listed as the one designed for the Athena, my unit will die within 4 hours.
I realize that this is alot of juice, but it still annoys me that the charger can't keep up with the unit it was designed for. I imagine it wouldn't last that long if I had the gprs and/or wifi (not that I'd have wifi going while I drive anyway) running, too.
My question is: Do you think it's the screen or the MD which is sucking up all the juice? I've taken to letting the screen shut off (an option on many mp3 players), if I'm on the freeway and don't need the gps for a while. But to be honest, I haven't taken any really long trips to test this approach.
BTW, it's not a problem with the charger. I've got 2 of them, and the same thing happens with both.
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Yes. The pin configuration is different for the Athena. Yes, it needs higher amperage to charge. However, even when taking all these things into account, there's still a problem.
I bought the HTC car charger precisely to avoid the problem of undercharging / pin misconfiguration. Yet, I still have problems. Whenever I drive long distances (4 hrs +, vacation, etc.), I generally have the gps running along with bluetooth for my ear piece (in case of phone calls), and I have an mp3 player going for tunes (running off the MD). Since it's generally a bright, sunny day, I also have the screen at full brightness (otherwise you can't see it at all.) Even with the HTC charger which is listed as the one designed for the Athena, my unit will die within 4 hours.
I realize that this is alot of juice, but it still annoys me that the charger can't keep up with the unit it was designed for. I imagine it wouldn't last that long if I had the gprs and/or wifi (not that I'd have wifi going while I drive anyway) running, too.
My question is: Do you think it's the screen or the MD which is sucking up all the juice? I've taken to letting the screen shut off (an option on many mp3 players), if I'm on the freeway and don't need the gps for a while. But to be honest, I haven't taken any really long trips to test this approach.
BTW, it's not a problem with the charger. I've got 2 of them, and the same thing happens with both.
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I don't have problem like yours. I always have my backlight adjusted to the brightest. I keep all my applications on MD (which means it's spinning most of the time). With GPS running and music playing, my device will give charged to the fullest and stay that way very very quickly. I use the standard HTC charger. Only thing is I don't use bluetooth, so I'm not sure how much this would influence it.
Don't know what the current is, but my Brodit Active mount charges my Athena quickly even with everything turned on- used mainly for Sat-Nav with screen on full bright/ no sleep during day.
Trickle charge from the PC USB takes forever!
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Don't know what the current is, but my Brodit Active mount charges my Athena quickly even with everything turned on- used mainly for Sat-Nav with screen on full bright/ no sleep during day.
Trickle charge from the PC USB takes forever!
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I have the same experience with the Brodit.
I’m using the supplied HTC car charger, for an hour journey,
with only backlight full and GPS it charged but very small increment.
I'm looking for an external battery charger (preferably solar powered) for taking my Note on backpacking trips. Unfortunately, most of the solar packs that I've found have only .5 - .7 amps available for USB output. If I'm using a 1amp charging cable (with the data leads shorted), will .7 amps kick in the AC charging speed? Is .5 amps enough to charge the phone while I sleep for 7 hours?
I suppose it depends on how long you are out without power but another alternative is an external battery that allows you to charge your phone by plugging it into the external battery.
This one here (at $75 USD) will let you charge the Note from completely dead to a full complete charge 4.4 times.
http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-IMP...Z64Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1336084828&sr=8-2
So, if you started your backpacking with a full charge on both the phone and the battery pack, and assuming you charge the phone every night at say 20% battery left, you should get 6 days. If you need more than that, you can just buy a second battery pack (personally, Id want to have two just in case).
That's a good suggestion from littlewierdo. I would also have at least 2 spare batteries for the note. I don't think that .5 amps is enough.
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I'm looking for an external battery charger (preferably solar powered) for taking my Note on backpacking trips. Unfortunately, most of the solar packs that I've found have only .5 - .7 amps available for USB output. If I'm using a 1amp charging cable (with the data leads shorted), will .7 amps kick in the AC charging speed? Is .5 amps enough to charge the phone while I sleep for 7 hours?
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Budge I had an HTC evo 4g and got a 5400mah battery. This worked ok. However the output is .5a which will not charge the note if you are using maps with gps or bluetooth or playing tunes. It wil charge when not using those. Say at night when you are asleep. I think you would have to find a battery with output better than 1a to actually charge when you are actively using your phone. I am not sure of the actual output you would need. I will research it though for my own needs. I do use my note on my motorcyle with a charger which outputs .5a and this is nowhere near what is needed to use google maps and bluetooth and play tunes.
I am actively looking for a solution which will charge my note while using google maps, bluetooth, and playing tunes etc. I may have found a solution with a usb y cable which is connected a 2a source and a .5a source on my motorcycle.
The only solution for backpacking may be to charge when not using the note. I am fairly sure it will charge at .5a when sleeping.
Good luck.
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That's a good suggestion from littlewierdo. I would also have at least 2 spare batteries for the note. I don't think that .5 amps is enough.
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I am actively looking for a solution which will charge my note while using google maps, bluetooth, and playing tunes etc. I may have found a solution with a usb y cable which is connected a 2a source and a .5a source on my motorcycle.
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Im not sure where you got the .5 amps from, it outputs 1 amp, so it will charge the Note with the screen on. However, it wont charge quite as fast as the wall charger will it will actually charge the phone.
It should be able to handle keeping the screen on, bluetooth doesnt use much power at all so playing music shouldnt be an issue and gps uses very little battery as well. I dont see an issue with it.
Admittedly, I dont have one of these, dont really have much of a use for one at the moment but I cant possibly see any issues with this.
HOWEVER, there are alternative external battery packs that are MUCH cheaper with less mah capacity (meaning, in simple speak, you would get less power storage meaning that you wouldnt be able to charge your phone as many times as you might like). There are other USB battery packs that might also have less power output (or more) which might mean that you wouldnt be able to keep the screen on AND charge the phone.
Truth be told, I only looked for the highest capacity battery pack given what your situation was AND I tend to buy higher end if the price makes sense. In the case of battery packs similar to this design (external usb battery packs), they generally start at $30 and go to about $80 so buying the best possible makes sense. However, if the highest/best possible was $200, Id probably get something cheaper, but since its only ~$80, if I were in your shoes, that would be my choice.
Id probably consider getting two of them (that is, if we are talking about longer than 1 week excursions, if under a week, just get 1) and a decently long usb cable (3-4 ft) but not too long (you dont want to be tripping over the cable but you need it long enough that if you need to, you can charge the phone mid-day while hiking).
You dont need multiple batteries for the Note, the whole point of this external battery pack is to eliminate the need for them.
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Im not sure where you got the .5 amps from, it outputs 1 amp, so it will charge the Note with the screen on. However, it wont charge quite as fast as the wall charger will it will actually charge the phone.
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littlewierdo I was not necessarily speaking of the device you suggested but one I had. I was warning Budge to be careful and not get a device which outputs only .5a. I was suggesting that he find one which will put out 2a if such exists. The device which you suggested will put out 1a. However I don't believe this would be enough for my purposes and maybe no Budge's either. i was not refering to your device or you. Not my intent to get in an argument with you but to help Budge find a suitable solution.
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Littlewierdo- I didn't disagree with your suggestion to use another battery pack to charge the existing battery. In fact, I have one and use that option myself. I was adding that it may be a good idea to have a spare. I was responding to the OP who mentioned .5 amps. I assume that's where imesg was coming from, too.
So i'm trying to determine if my phone is messed up or this is a feature.
I noticed that even when having the phone connected to power and i using it (either watch a youtube video, sending txt, average stuff) the phone's battery is going down.
Tried using it as a gps. Bought the cardock installed it. Using google navigation went on a 2 hour drive, by the end of the trip, 20% battery while hooked to the car's power.
Am i missing something here? I even changed batteries with the same results.
Tried several roms clean rom the ICS and the GB version , stock RUU GB and ICS.
Anybody encountered a similar situation? If so what did you do to fix it?
Basically ive noticed if you are using GPS, WiFi tether, or doing somthing that ramps up the cpu like watching videos or games That the charger can barley keep up.
The best thing you can do is leave it alone, make sure your using a 1 amp charger, and leave it in the open not covered up so it doesnt overheat
You are using a charger that is not supplying enough "juice". get a battery widget and see when you are charging if you are using USB or AC charging, but it's going real slow and USB. Use a difference charger that supplies enough power.
Is it the Verizon ibolt dock? You need atleast a 1a charger and a charge only/non data cable.
So the stock cable is not enough to power this device?
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So the stock cable is not enough to power this device?
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The stock cable and stock wall charger should not drain, as they are both rated to supply a full 1amp (1000 milliamp) of power. The ibolt car dock (as well as many car docks and chargers) are only rated for 500mA (1/2 amp) of power. The Rezound can easily pull down 800+mA at a time. If you're only supplying 500, you're slowly losing charge.
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Did anyone try to use HOX+ in car as navigation? I have quite strong charger in car made for iPad (2.1A rated USB) and it is not able to charge phone when it is running navigation (Sygic, but it doesnt matter). It seems to me, that charging current is too low to charge battery and also power phone, which is actively used. Tried to repeat at home, again big Apple USB charger from iPad rated 2.1A and while I was actively using phone (browsing etc), charger was able to get 1% of battery charged per 15-20 minutes. Which is too long.
Phone is getting warm or even hot while using CPU actively (Chrome is able to run all 4 cores while rendering page) and maybe there is some protection to avoid HOX+ getting too hot while charging? Or maybe internal logic just doesnt take more juice from charger when phone is charging and being actively used (to power CPU/GPU and also charge battery)? Anyway result is that with intensive CPU/GPU apps like navigation, I cant charge phone fast enough and it is actually discharging! No matter how strong or good your charger is, phone takes constant current and sometimes its just not enoug...
Anyone got similar problems?
The problem is that you shouldn't use chargers meant for other electronic devices.
How is it with the charger supplied with the X+?
Bbattery Monitor Widget is good to track charge/discharge value.
I have not noticed anything out of the ordinary, even using the phone while it is charging.
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The problem is that you shouldn't use chargers meant for other electronic devices.
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And what is the difference between chargers with USB ports? I could understand that using cheap noname charger from China could be problem, but I'm using branded from Apple, which is known to be really well made. And it is providing 5V and up to 2.1A of current.
Anyway cant use original because I bought phone in UK and they have some ugly shaped power plugs unlike rest of Europe
...but it ain't working, obviously. A power adapter is like a couple of €s, and @amazon original charger are around 7 €
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I've used both an OEM US charger and the UK charger with an adapter with the OEM cable and both have done fine. It does take longer to charge while using it, but that's no surprise.
The Apple charger should do better.
Simply put, the device reduces charge rate if the device gets too warm. I don't know if this is happening but it's something to keep in mind.
I had this issue also when i was using the device. Charging was stuck at 99% and did not change anymore.
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Well, you probably can't top the battery while charging because the phone is drawing more current than what the charging circuit (internal to the phone) is able to deliver to the battery (while charging).
Been digging in this problem a little bit more and found strange pattern. Since I cant use original charger (UK version doesnt fit my outlet), I have to charge with Apple ones. I have one big for iPad3 (strong marked as 2.1A), one small one with 1A and one small one chinese copy from DX (also 1A). When I try to charge phone with first two, it just charge like USB (settings>power and there you can see type of chargin on the top of screen). When I use chinese copy, it charges like proper AC adapter, quite fast. But after while, touch screen is messed up and it is almost impossible to control my phone. It seems like some static electricity build up or something like this messing with toucscreen mechanism. It gets fine few seconds after removing phone from charger.
Tried different cables, have 3 types at home. Original cca 1m long, only chinese charger woks in AC mode. Then I have extra short for drive, same behavior like original and two long ones (2m), chinese from DX but well made with quite thick cable and with this even chinese sometimes charge like USB, but sometimes it connects like AC.
Always thought that Apple chargers are good and used them to charge other gadgets, never had any similar problems. Seems that One X+ is quite picky with chargers, anyone can verify if it is just my piece?
I've got a strange issue. When charging with my stock AC adapter, it charges about 40%/hr (according to Gsam). If I try a 2A charger I can get over 60%/hr. I have three car chargers, I notice each one charges at more like 5-10%/hr. When using Navigation with the screen off, I discharge at around 20%/hr. With the screen on, it jumps to 40-60%/hr.
All my car chargers came with the data pins shorted. When I plug in, it says "Charging (AC)". I don't think my car is the issue because my friend tried charging his Iphone with my charger and it didn't seem to work, but when he pulled out his, it charged much faster.
I remember that in the past, I was able to use the Nav while with my car charger and it would last all day on long road trips. With the charger in and running Nav, I might go up some small amount, like 1%/hr. Now, with the car charger in, I'm still losing and lucky if I get more than an hour or so.
The only conclusion I can think of is that recent versions of Nav or something with CM11 is drawing much more power. Although I've had this issue for at least the past year