OK, I am pretty much completely new to android and have a few questions if someone has a few minutes.
1. Ok, first is titanium backup. When you do a ti-backup, is it a complete image of how your phone was? I did a backup before perm-rooting and then did a recovery after. I did not have contacts and a few other things I did before. BUT, after a "crash" and reboot, those things re-appeared? So I am guessing it is supposed to be a complete image of the way the phone was?
2. next, can you use the same ti-backup file no matter which rom you are running? So if I backup now, flash new rom, then recover will it work? Or would it fail from trying to restore something that isn't available in the new rom?
3. Nandroid backup. Is this just a backup of the actual rom? or is this an actual image backup too?
I will stop there for now, thanks for any help.
Brew
tsbrewers said:
OK, I am pretty much completely new to android and have a few questions if someone has a few minutes.
1. Ok, first is titanium backup. When you do a ti-backup, is it a complete image of how your phone was? I did a backup before perm-rooting and then did a recovery after. I did not have contacts and a few other things I did before. BUT, after a "crash" and reboot, those things re-appeared? So I am guessing it is supposed to be a complete image of the way the phone was?
2. next, can you use the same ti-backup file no matter which rom you are running? So if I backup now, flash new rom, then recover will it work? Or would it fail from trying to restore something that isn't available in the new rom?
3. Nandroid backup. Is this just a backup of the actual rom? or is this an actual image backup too?
I will stop there for now, thanks for any help.
Brew
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1: Titanium backups only apps and the data within the apps.
2: Yes
3: A nand backup will backup everything that is in your phone.
The system, cache, dalvik cache, wimax and some other stuff. When you want to backup everything that's on your phone, you do a nand backup. If anything goes wrong with a ROM you installed. Yo do a compete wipe and flash your nand backup.
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Thanks, that helps.
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Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
emigre said:
Hi everyone,
I'm pretty confused of the difference between a nandroid backup and Titanium backup.
My understanding is:
nandroid = kind of a restore point for the phone with all system, apps and user data.
Titanium backup = same thing, but with options to choose what to back up.
So why do you need 2 of the same thing if they both perform exactly the same thing? Eventually, we'll probably be using the backup to restore those datas in case we want to flash new ROMs.
Am I missing something here?
Thank you for the info!
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You don't need two of the same thing. I haven't used titanium but nandroid is a, if you will, what-you-see-is-what-you-get backup....what I mean by this is it will back up your phone in the exact state it is...you can't choose to exclude this or that, etc. I prefer mybackup pro because the one time I used titanium I couldn't figure out what to do cuz the GUI was so scrub. That's just me tho.
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I think the main difference is that nandroid will restore everything back the way it was through recovery. With Titanium Backup, you can backup your apps+data and restore them if you flash a new ROM. So like if you upgrade to the latest version of CM6 or Liberated, you can carry your apps over. If you restore the nandroid, it will restore the old ROM too.
Thanks for the response guys.
@blindfusion: I think you just pointed out the main difference there. I didn't think of it that way, the old ROM would also be flashed!
@zervic: Now I think I'll need to get my hands on a backup app. Will check out backup Pro!
Thanks again!
under nandroid/advanced restore, there's an option to restore data. not sure how it differs from titanium. i think titanium let's you pick the apps to back up. nandroid just backs up everything.
So does nandroid also give us the option to restore data (ie. Saved apps, datas, etc) under advanced without flashing the old ROM back in?
For example if i were to flash a newer ROM (FR007 for instance), then i'd be able to have access and restore ALL the backed up data in nandroid? And have a newer version of the OS?
Am i missing something here? I guess i just want to keep my aria light and avoid installing apps i absoloutely do not need. To keep it zippy and maintain precious internal memory.
Thanks again everyone!
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that's how i've restored apps/data after updating rom.
Thanks for the confirmation Darren!
Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
No titanium backs up app and their data only.nandroid is a full system image.
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Just to confirm that means that if I use titanium backup, it can backup the exact same things as Nandroid backup but you can use it for your new ROM?
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Always make both before flashing a new ROM. If everything goes according to plan, run Titanium to restore all your apps into the new ROM. If something goes wrong, you can use Nandroid to restore your phone to pre-flash state.
Also, you should copy the Nandroid file to your computer. If your phone is ever lost or stolen and you get a new one, you can restore it to your old phone's image.
NANDroid backup is a complete image of your phone: the OS, apps, data, everything. So if you screw up your phone, like making it unbootable, or accidentally wiping it clean, you can restore the image and everything will be back to the way it was when you did the backup.
Titanium Backup is an app in your OS that backs up other apps, their data, and some system data / user settings. It's usually used, for example, for restoring apps and their data after a clean install, where you've wiped everything clean.
The two options are fundamentally different, but do have some overlap.
I've never got nandroid backup to work for me personally. Always comes up, "backup not found".
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glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
silentsigma said:
glad i read this thread. it clear up a lot of questions i have.
the only other question i want to ask is what is difference between ClockWorkMod and Nandroid backup?
I heard CWM is an Nandroid backup so does this mean Nandroid backup is a general term for system back up ? or is it an actual program?
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
thanks. that answer all of my backup questions.
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You heard wrong about ClockworkMod. ClockworkMod is a recovery. Nandroid backup is not an actual program, but a backup of your entire system which can be done through ClockworkMod (it's an option).
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Sorry still unclear for me, so if i have CWM i will go to recovery and there i can performe the backup right?
that copies the nandroid to my Sd card? and that image is flasheable image? is that correct? sorry if any of those is a stupid question :S
Edit: Nevermind, i found a guide here that is good for newbies like me, but thanks anyway
Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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Sorry for necro'ing this thread, but at least it's better than making a new one!
From what I've read in this thread, I understand a bit better about the difference.
I've also read that it's important to save nandroid back up on PC in case you lose your phone.
Therein lies my next 2 questions.
1. If I want to use a nandroid backup on the replacement, it should be exactly the same phone, otherwise there might be a problem with the compatibility of the ROM stored in the nandroid and the phone. Right?
2. If I want to use a titanium backup on the replacement, I can use it on any phone, except I should not restore the SYSTEM apps. Right?
If (2) is correct, then we should also keep a titanium backup on the PC?
Part of my reason is also, I plan to switch from Desire HD to SGS3 and I hope to keep both pretty similar with slightly different interface. I plan to root my SGS3 and use titanium to restore some things from my DHD to SGS3. Using a nandroid on the new SGS3 will be a FATAL mistake right?
I know this is not a DHD forum, but the technicalities are the same, so I hope it's no offense asking these questions here!
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Oops forgot to add!
I'm using 4ext instead of CWM. In a brief reading, I've found that 4ext has it's own backup which is not nandroid. But backing up from 4ext is the same as doing a nandroid backup? In which case, every "nandroid" in the earlier post can just be replaced with "4ext backup" accordingly.
If this is a stupid question, just scold me, I'm still learning and asking as I'm reading. Just trying not to create new threads.
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1. Correct. Its highly likely that there will be issues (device won't boot) on almost every occasion.
2. Yes. You may also want to exclude "app data," since it may cause a bootloop or system instability (on some occasions). You could keep a Tb backup if you wish.
It won't be a fatal mistake, but the device will just not boot up (soft-brick). You would have to boot into recovery mode a restore/flash a rom made for the device.
Yes, that's correct.
On my stock rooted ROM, after wiping data, cache and dalvik cache, I've created a Nandroid Backup.
My question is, if someone restores this backup to there phone, which is the same as mine, will it have any of my information, or could it possibly cause any problems?
I was simply going to upload it, so that if anybody has any problems installing the latest OTA or hasn't got a working Nandroid backup, they can use it.
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On my stock rooted ROM, after wiping data, cache and dalvik cache, I've created a Nandroid Backup.
My question is, if someone restores this backup to there phone, which is the same as mine, will it have any of my information, or could it possibly cause any problems?
I was simply going to upload it, so that if anybody has any problems installing the latest OTA or hasn't got a working Nandroid backup, they can use it.
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Em well first off, if you done the wipe data ect first then you will not have a NANDROID Backup as there is nothing there to back up,
Second i wouldn't recommend anyone but yourself use the back up but if its between friends ect from with in the phone in settings go to factory reset and that way your data will be clear for the most part and safe to share with friends you trust in-case anything is left behind but i would not release to public in any capacity and then proceed to create your NANDROID backup from within your recovery app.
If you really had to do it that way, you would want to create a NANDROID backup for yourself, reboot your phone go to settings factory reset, then boot back to recovery make another NANDROID Backup (This one for Friends clear of your data)
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Em well first off, if you done the wipe data ect first then you will not have a NANDROID Backup as there is nothing there to back up,
Second i wouldn't recommend anyone but yourself use the back up but if its between friends ect from with in the phone in settings go to factory reset and that way your data will be clear for the most part and safe to share with friends you trust in-case anything is left behind but i would not release to public in any capacity and then proceed to create your NANDROID backup from within your recovery app.
If you really had to do it that way, you would want to create a NANDROID backup for yourself, reboot your phone go to settings factory reset, then boot back to recovery make another NANDROID Backup (This one for Friends clear of your data)
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The whole point of me doing the wipe data etc first, was to clear any personal data from the phone.
The Nandroid backup was so that there was a working stock rooted rom.
My question should have been does it keep any data that cannot be manually deleted. e.g. Serial numbers etc....But I think I found the answer. Apparently it does and it can cause problems when restoring.
The only reason I was going to do it was because, I have seen a couple of people using the HTC One X, that are trying to get from stock rooted 1.26, to stock rooted 1.28 and this backup would get them there.
Backup
If you take the boot.img and system.img from your backup and then use dsixda's kitchen to create a flashable rom.
dsixda's Kitchen Here - h t t p ://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227549
(remove the spaces, can't post links yet lol) its the download and tutorial
There should be no information or data in your output rom so anyone can use it etc
I use the Elelinux Froyo 2.2.1. It runs nice!
Yesterday, I was listening to MP3's unil the battery went down.
Now, the HTC Hero is in a bootloop.
I wiped the Dalvik-cache, but no luck.
Is there a way to recover and keep most of my data?
Make a nanddroid backup, wipe data+cache, flash the ROM, go to restore backup/ advanced restore/yourbackupname and just restore the data partition. That should do it
kemoba said:
Make a nanddroid backup, wipe data+cache, flash the ROM, go to restore backup/ advanced restore/yourbackupname and just restore the data partition. That should do it
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For other readers: install recovery image from Clockworkmod first.
@kemoba: After flashing the rom, I started the HTC and it works. Than I restored only the data partition of the 'broken' image. After this, the HTC has the bootloop again.
Do you have any tips how to proceed now?
Like I said, some app is corrupting your ROM, your only option is to either get me some logcat so i can see what is wrong with it or to reflash the ROM without restoring the nandroid and installing all your apps all over again
kemoba said:
Like I said, some app is corrupting your ROM, your only option is to either get me some logcat so i can see what is wrong with it or to reflash the ROM without restoring the nandroid and installing all your apps all over again
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It's no problem to reflash and install the apps, but I typed some info in colornote, tracks in My Tracks and contact and phonenumbers, which I want to have.
I search now with =tools/adb shell= through all dir's on the phone.
Update:
colornote: There backup files on the sdcard. Lets see, if I can find the originals.
If you want you can upload the data.img from the /sdcard/clockworkmod/backup/backupname folder and i'll extract you your data if you want
kemoba said:
If you want you can upload the data.img from the /sdcard/clockworkmod/backup/backupname folder and i'll extract you your data if you want
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Thats nice!!
I am able to extract data myself now. But I cannot find the place, where the contacts are stored. Do you know, where they are?
EDIT:
I was able to start the phone after replacing /data/system/packages.* with a working one. Not all apps are working, but I was able to make a backup of my data.
Zilvermeeuw said:
Thats nice!!
I am able to extract data myself now. But I cannot find the place, where the contacts are stored. Do you know, where they are?
EDIT:
I was able to start the phone after replacing /data/system/packages.* with a working one. Not all apps are working, but I was able to make a backup of my data.
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I dont think it's necessary to back up your contacts.
If you have a google account, it will save them.
And you can get the contacts back after you resynchronize with google.
(However Im not 100% sure)
Hi,
4.2 of Jelly Bean update could be imminent for my Nexus 7, and I'm wondering about what and how to backup before the update. The question I think is a general android one though... which is why I'm posting it here.
This was going to be a question about factory reset... but reading other posts I think I now understand that factory reset just deletes data/cache, so I think any time you do that it's just gonna return the device to a clean ROM state without changing the ROM. (whatever flavour/version ROM is)
When a ROM update is applied (either official or manually flashed), I guess it wipes everything, is it like a disk format or something like that? I have installed CWM recovery and rooted my device, I think the update will unroot it, but will the CWM recovery still be loaded?
And then, what backup should I take before the update... I think a Titanium Backup is a must, I understand how that works. But a Nandroid backup too? Or is that more like taking a disk image, would that be useless to restore after the ROM has been updated? And if so, does that mean any old Nandroid backups should be discarded?
Once the new update to 4.2 is installed, is it advisable to take a Nandroid backup immediately, or better to download the stock 4.2 image and keeping it as a starting point? (does this amount to the same thing?) I guess this is where a factory reset would return it to stock (providing I haven't moved anything to the system apps)?
Or is it possible/better to use a Nandroid backup as a point in time image of everything that's been installed on the device after adding back all the apps etc? I guess that leads me to wonder if the Nandroid backup is needed at all if I'm going with the Titanium Backups...
Thanks a lot and sorry for the lengthy question, I've seen many posts touching on this
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Hi,
4.2 of Jelly Bean update could be imminent for my Nexus 7, and I'm wondering about what and how to backup before the update. The question I think is a general android one though... which is why I'm posting it here.
This was going to be a question about factory reset... but reading other posts I think I now understand that factory reset just deletes data/cache, so I think any time you do that it's just gonna return the device to a clean ROM state without changing the ROM. (whatever flavour/version ROM is)
When a ROM update is applied (either official or manually flashed), I guess it wipes everything, is it like a disk format or something like that? I have installed CWM recovery and rooted my device, I think the update will unroot it, but will the CWM recovery still be loaded?
And then, what backup should I take before the update... I think a Titanium Backup is a must, I understand how that works. But a Nandroid backup too? Or is that more like taking a disk image, would that be useless to restore after the ROM has been updated? And if so, does that mean any old Nandroid backups should be discarded?
Once the new update to 4.2 is installed, is it advisable to take a Nandroid backup immediately, or better to download the stock 4.2 image and keeping it as a starting point? (does this amount to the same thing?) I guess this is where a factory reset would return it to stock (providing I haven't moved anything to the system apps)?
Or is it possible/better to use a Nandroid backup as a point in time image of everything that's been installed on the device after adding back all the apps etc? I guess that leads me to wonder if the Nandroid backup is needed at all if I'm going with the Titanium Backups...
Thanks a lot and sorry for the lengthy question, I've seen many posts touching on this
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1. OTA updates should let you retain your apps.
2. Clockworkmod will still be installed following the update.
3. Nandroid backups are like a system image it makes a backup of everything on your phone (Minus sd card external) at the exact point in time when you make the backup. If you restore the backup it will restore your phone to the exact state it was in when you made the backup. You only need to keep a couple of your recent nandroid backups on your phone.
4. After the 4.2 update you can either make a backup or use a factory restore image it will make no difference. Factory reset would return it to stock.
5. You can use nandroid to make a backup after you install your apps in fact I would recommend this that way you have a convient restore point. You can also backup your apps with titanium backup.
Hope this answers some of your questions .
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1. OTA updates should let you retain your apps.
2. Clockworkmod will still be installed following the update.
3. Nandroid backups are like a system image it makes a backup of everything on your phone (Minus sd card external) at the exact point in time when you make the backup. If you restore the backup it will restore your phone to the exact state it was in when you made the backup. You only need to keep a couple of your recent nandroid backups on your phone.
4. After the 4.2 update you can either make a backup or use a factory restore image it will make no difference. Factory reset would return it to stock.
5. You can use nandroid to make a backup after you install your apps in fact I would recommend this that way you have a convient restore point. You can also backup your apps with titanium backup.
Hope this answers some of your questions .
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Excellent, thanks for the fast reply, you did answer my questions!
I was misunderstanding then about the 4.2 update, thinking it was equivalent to flashing a new ROM... you clarified it for me, seems it's less severe than that.
I think I'll go with your point 5 to use a Nandroid image for a convenient restore point after the OTA happens
Can anyone advice me on what can be done if anything?. I have a S3 LTE Gt-I9305 I installed Titanium Pro and CWM. Did back ups on both and then decided to only keep CWM and promply went on to flash my ROM. It looks like the Ripper ROM has loaded but the touch screen won’t work visually it works fine but to unlock the screen, nothing happens. What could be the cause?. Secondly is there any way to re install titanium back on the phone as I have titanium backup files and hope that will restore the phone back to normal. Any advice???.
CWM & Titanium Back backups are two different things. CWM does a nandroid backup which includes your complete phone setup at the time of backing up. Titanium only backs up apps (user & system) & data.
Hence if you want to return to your old phone's setup you have to use your CWM backup.
Maybe read some of the guides in the FAQ thread to get up to speed on flashing, backups etc. first before you move on!
chrismast said:
CWM & Titanium Back backups are two different things. CWM does a nandroid backup which includes your complete phone setup at the time of backing up. Titanium only backs up apps (user & system) & data.
Hence if you want to return to your old phone's setup you have to use your CWM backup.
Maybe read some of the guides in the FAQ thread to get up to speed on flashing, backups etc. first before you move on!
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Thanks!. I know they two different thngs, hence me asking if there is any way of restoring Titanium back onto the phone, as I think the reason the touch screen on my phone may not be working because there could be a system file missing which CWM has not backed up. And CWM won't restore Titanium files or not that I am aware of.
Rich32 said:
Thanks!. I know they two different thngs, hence me asking if there is any way of restoring Titanium back onto the phone, as I think the reason the touch screen on my phone may not be working because there could be a system file missing which CWM has not backed up. And CWM won't restore Titanium files or not that I am aware of.
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Sure you can restore from Titanium, but I guess a safer bet in your case would be to do a factory wipe and flash a stock ROM. Easier and cleaner way as CWM usually backups any file, would be strange if it misses a few.
anyone know how to restore just the SMS data history from Nandroid backup?
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Sure you can restore from Titanium, but I guess a safer bet in your case would be to do a factory wipe and flash a stock ROM. Easier and cleaner way as CWM usually backups any file, would be strange if it misses a few.
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Mmm.... Thats the problem I have done a factroy wipe and flashed a stock ROM didn't seem to help. Not even too sure i might have even accsedentally deleted a file from the phone when it was connected to my pc. and without the screen working I don't know that I can re load Titanium as the screen touch pad won't work.
Rich32 said:
Mmm.... Thats the problem I have done a factroy wipe and flashed a stock ROM didn't seem to help. Not even too sure i might have even accsedentally deleted a file from the phone when it was connected to my pc. and without the screen working I don't know that I can re load Titanium as the screen touch pad won't work.
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even if you deleted a file, you should be able to flash a stock ROM via Odin in Download Mode (as far as the hardware buttons still work).
If you really flashed a stock ROM already, you could still try to flash your nandroid via CWM (should also support navigation via hardware buttons or not?), and if this doesn't work I am out of options :-/
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anyone know how to restore just the SMS data history from Nandroid backup?
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Nandroid manager
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Nandroid manager
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Yes, I already installed Nandroid manager but i don't know where to look for it.
Is this the right one /data/data/com.android.mms
IIRC it has the option to restore SMS