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Hi.
I'm a bit of a noob to Android, and as such, I'm a bit lost with some of the terminology.
I know I can find most of the answers I'm looking for on the forum, but trawling posts can lead to confusion.
I thought it would be good to have a thread discussing the terminology for these devices for noobs such as myself to use as a quick reference guide.
I've been with HTC, and Winmob for a number of years, but I will soon be getting a Flyer, so time to learn.
Questions:
1 What is S-off/S-on, and what does it do?
2 What is Rooting/Perma-Rooting, the differences, and why are they needed?
3 What is Clockworkmod?
4 Any other terminology that needs an explanation for an Android noob.
If somebody would like to create a thread that can be stickied, and post a link here, I think that would be the best route to take.
Thanks.
Steve.
stabloid said:
Questions:
1 What is S-off/S-on, and what does it do?
2 What is Rooting/Perma-Rooting, the differences, and why are they needed?
3 What is Clockworkmod?
4 Any other terminology that needs an explanation for an Android noob.
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1. S-off/on are the terms used to tell if the security feature that prevents you from rooting is on or off. This is found under your bootloader, or hboot. To check and see if your device is s-off or s-on simply turn the device off, hold down the vol - button and turn the device back on while holding it. That will bring up your bootloader (hboot) and will show you what version it is as well as if your device has security on or off.
2. Rooting/Perma-Rooting are basically the same thing. Perma just stands for permanent. Rooting is gaining SuperUser (Admin) permissions for your device.
3. ClockWorkMod is a custom recovery tool that replaces the stock recovery tool in your bootloader. It allows you to flash(install) new roms.
4. A rom is basically your operating syatem. It is what you interact with when you power the device on.
If I missed anything or if I got something wrong someone feel free to add to it or correct me.
Sent from my HTC EVO View. 7" of s-off 4g Fury.
I think you covered most of the stuff that trips up people coming from WinMo to Android.
Two other little things I have come across:
GoldCard = Special SD card that lets you flash ROMs to locked phones (not rooted / S-ON)
De-odex = Apk files have respective odexes that devs use to supposedly save space. Deodexing means you convert it back to a .dex file and put it back inside the apk. This allows you to easily replace files (not having to worry about odexes), but the main point was to deodex services.jar so that you can change all text to different colors (such as the clock color to white) and to deodex services.jar, you need to deodex everything.
I was one step away from being a ROM cooker on WinMo and felt like a total idiot when I switched to Android. Had to learn everything all over again...but that's the fun, right?
StormMcCloud said:
1. S-off/on are the terms used to tell if the security feature that prevents you from rooting is on or off. This is found under your bootloader, or hboot. To check and see if your device is s-off or s-on simply turn the device off, hold down the vol - button and turn the device back on while holding it. That will bring up your bootloader (hboot) and will show you what version it is as well as if your device has security on or off.
2. Rooting/Perma-Rooting are basically the same thing. Perma just stands for permanent. Rooting is gaining SuperUser (Admin) permissions for your device.
3. ClockWorkMod is a custom recovery tool that replaces the stock recovery tool in your bootloader. It allows you to flash(install) new roms.
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Just expanding a bit, as I understand the terms:
1. With S-On, there is a security check on the signature of a ROM, before it is allowed to be flashed. It also protects the NAND flash memory, where the ROM is stored. Basically, with S-Off, you can flash just about any ROM meant for the device, including user-made "custom" ROMs. With S-Off, you can only flash "official" ROMs.
While related to root, they are not always co-dependent. On some devices, its possible to root, but still have S-On. You have SuperUser access (at least most things), but you can't flash custom ROMs. With root plus S-Off, you have access to just about everything.
HTC is constantly changing their security, so for the Flyer, it seems that S-Off was instrumental in achieving permanent root.
2) Rooting an Android device gives you "root" or "super user" access to system files, which are normally protected. There are a variety of things this allows you to do. You can change system fonts, and make other theme customizations. You may be able to overclock the CPU (depending on the device and kernal) or make other performance enhancements. You can remove system apps (like bloatware) that you don't need. Some apps require root to work, such as Titanium Backup and Clockworkmod for creating backups of app data or your entire ROM.
One thing to remember, is that the system files are normally protected for a reason. Don't modify or change anything, unless you have a good understanding what you are doing, otherwise you can really mess up your device.
The distinction between rooting (or perma-root) and temp rooting is made, due to the increased security HTC has applied to the NAND flash memory on their more recent devices. Basically the NAND protection means that a temp root will be wiped out when the device is rebooted. But some root functions can still be accessed during the temp root. But it also means you have to temp root every time you want super user access (if the phone was restarted since your last temp root).
Once the NAND protection on the Flyer was bypassed, it made a perm root possible. But on other devices, I know some users actually prefer temp root over perm root. You still have access to super user privileges while temp rooted. But if something goes wrong with your phone, its less risky, as a reboot will wipe any trace of the temp root (technically, rooting voids HTC's warranty . . . but its often possible to unroot for warranty purposes).
3. Clockworkmod will also make a full backup of your entire ROM (including user data) , so you can return to it any time. Handy if you have some catastrophic failure, or just want to switch back to the current ROM.
I really appreciate this thread. As a former webOS user, I was at a loss for all of the terminology when I got here. I've since figured it out, but hearing it in plain terms, as well as what they actually do for you, really is nice. Thanks for answering the questions rather than just saying search.
~Drew
bdgdl08 said:
I really appreciate this thread. As a former webOS user, I was at a loss for all of the terminology when I got here. I've since figured it out, but hearing it in plain terms, as well as what they actually do for you, really is nice. Thanks for answering the questions rather than just saying search.
~Drew
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Flyer/View owners are nicer then most xda posters, lol. Especially when the person asking the question is smart enough to do it in the correct section.
Sent from my HTC EVO View. 7" of s-off 4g Fury.
bdgdl08 said:
I really appreciate this thread. As a former webOS user, I was at a loss for all of the terminology when I got here. I've since figured it out, but hearing it in plain terms, as well as what they actually do for you, really is nice. Thanks for answering the questions rather than just saying search.
~Drew
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We all had to start somewhere, right? Be sure to click the "Thanks" button for the posts you found helpful!
redpoint73 said:
We all had to start somewhere, right? Be sure to click the "Thanks" button for the posts you found helpful!
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Yeah you definitely went more in depth then I did. I just jotted down quick basics of each while I was getting ready for work. Yours are definitely more helpful.
Sent from my HTC EVO View. 7" of s-off 4g Fury.
There's a pretty expansive dictionary at Android Central: http://www.androidcentral.com/dictionary
Hope it helps, and welcome!
Thank You!
HUGE thanks to all who posted.
I'm starting to understand a bit more now.
This area defo has more of the feel XDA Devs had when I first joined.
The HD2 section is just FLAME "SEARCH" FLAME "SEARCH" FLAME! lol.
I'll probably have loads more questions soon, as we're looking at getting Flyers for work, and I'm gonna need to customize them a fair bit.
At least now I know I can ask semi-stupid questions here, or not have to read every single post in the Flyer section, without getting flamed/shunned completely.
Keep up the good work guys.
It really is appreciated.
Thanks to all of the devs who've been working on this phone, we now have various ways to get root access to our phone (ie. torpedo, AIO, etc.). The question I have is which method is the best or does it not matter? Are there any drawbacks to one method or another?
I've had success with using the AIO one-click method. However, I'm trying to narrow down the reason for my phone randomly rebooting. After my last wipe, my phone was stable for 2 days. Once I rooted it, my phone randomly rebooted the next day. I don't know if this was a simple coincidence or if somehow rooting caused the reboot. I know many of you have rooted and don't have random reboots. The only apps I had installed at this point where:
Deja Office
Enhanced Email
Titanium Backup
Any thoughts?
I'm rooted with the AIO one-click and I've never had a random reboot. Then again, before I rooted I never had a random reboot either. I think part of it is just luck of the draw and varies between individual phones. Some people have random reboots several times a day no matter what they do top their phones, some have none, and everything in between. Sorry I couldn't help solve your issue, but I hope I helped anyway.
Sent from my MB855 using XDA App
Thanks for your response and I'm glad the one-click method is working for you with no reboots. Of course, this sends me back to the drawing board.
I'm rebuilding my phone right now and will try the torpedo root method to see if my phone will be more stable. If not, I guess I'll get a 3rd Photon replacement. Like you said, maybe it is just the luck of the draw with the hardware. Some phones can handle the 1.4 oc kernels and some can't. Wish me luck...
According to this thread, rooting with the one-click method prohibits flashing the CM7 ROM but the torpedo method works. Therefore, there does seem to be a difference between the rooting methods.
I seem to remember hearing something about titanium backup being unstable on this phone, was that fixed?
Sent from one focused mopho!
Fortunately, Titanium works well on my MoPho.
sjamie said:
According to this thread, rooting with the one-click method prohibits flashing the CM7 ROM but the torpedo method works. Therefore, there does seem to be a difference between the rooting methods.
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yea... thats not true... >.>
rooting doesnt mean unlocking. there is a difference. for instance between rooting and running odin on a samung phone, or rooting and running unrevoked on htc... rsdlite is much much lower programming then root is. since im on linux and i use sbf_flash i actually have a return to goodness script that roots me installs an unlocked bootloader and flashes cwm all in one for me for after locking it back up again.
And that thread does not state it prohibits flashing cm7 using AIO. He was just having some issues unlocking so it was recommended to start fresh using another method.
And like the man above^ says two different things /rooting vs unlocking.
just saying...
sjamie said:
According to this thread, rooting with the one-click method prohibits flashing the CM7 ROM but the torpedo method works. Therefore, there does seem to be a difference between the rooting methods.
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Cool, if I misunderstood what was being stated in that thread... my bad.
Just trying to figure out what is making my phone unstable. I just rooted my phone using the torpedo method this time around which made me further appreciate the convenience of shabbypenguin's one-click method.
Let's see how long I can go without a random reboot!
no its cool, i get plenty of people that blame root for all sorts of things
i need an easier way to do this. please give me instructions on what to do first....back up? how do i back up? unlock? down load regadmod? i feel like there are alot of good videos but they are not in order. regardless...ive watched a crap load and im really frustrated. still my phone works fine. its the same way it came out the box... i updated to the 1.22.651.3 710RD. i want the hot spot man....:silly:
You deserve to be flamed for not reading the forums. Everything is explained in there (admittedly, sometimes it's hard to find).
Regardless, some quick answers for you:
1) You can still root your phone with the OTA update, but only through HTCdev. Unfortunately, that means having to do a full wipe before you can root, which means you can't back up. If you want to root, you'll lose everything.
2) You can tether without rooting using FoxFi. The app itself was removed from the play store, but the "add-on" remains. Look in the add-on's description for a link to the full FoxFi .apk file.
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You deserve to be flamed for not reading the forums. Everything is explained in there (admittedly, sometimes it's hard to find).
Regardless, some quick answers for you:
1) You can still root your phone with the OTA update, but only through HTCdev. Unfortunately, that means having to do a full wipe before you can root, which means you can't back up. If you want to root, you'll lose everything.
2) You can tether without rooting using FoxFi. The app itself was removed from the play store, but the "add-on" remains. Look in the add-on's description for a link to the full FoxFi .apk file.
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What's the cons of Htcdev?
Sent from my EVO using xda app-developers app
I'll quote myself from the Q&A because I think this is the best I've ever explained the difference :
Racer Of All said:
Q: What is the difference between root, S-OFF and an unlocked bootloader?
A: regaw_leinad made an awesome post here that is a billion times better than my explanation. If you have time, read it -- you will learn a lot. Otherwise here's the summed up version:
S-OFF allows complete control over your device, it will grant you access to all NAND protected partitions on your device.
Unlocked Bootloader (through the HTCDev unlock) is a "lite" version of S-OFF, it will allow you to flash a recovery and through it, a custom ROM. Zips that are attempted to be flashed through the bootloader will still need to come from HTC.
Root is not related to the NAND partitions at all, instead it grants you complete control over the OS (Android) itself. It will let you write and edit any file you wish. This lets you run apps like Titanium Backup and Adblock that need to either access or edit system files.
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If you want to know more check out the link up in the quote, he really goes into detail. Although it's important to note that with the new hboot, it limits what you can flash (for example you can't flash individual radio updates through bootloader anymore). Basically as long as you stay with the htboot your phone came with, there's not much difference. However if someone ever updates your phone on accident and you're S-ON, you're SOL, if you're S-Off you can always go back.
Also, OP it depends what you want to do, if you just want to root then just follow a root guide. If you want to root and S-Off do lazypanda s-off and then root. Backing up (using a nandroid backup) requires a custom recovery which requires either s-off or htcdev unlock. There's a nice compilation of these guides on djR3Z's thread here. Although if you're asking for help on this I recommend you only root the phone (if even that) until you become more knowledgeable about Android and the rooting or bootloader unlocking process. Also, take a peek at the Q&A thread that I put together if you get a chance it should answer quite a few questions.
muffinhunter said:
You deserve to be flamed for not reading the forums. Everything is explained in there (admittedly, sometimes it's hard to find).
Regardless, some quick answers for you:
1) You can still root your phone with the OTA update, but only through HTCdev. Unfortunately, that means having to do a full wipe before you can root, which means you can't back up. If you want to root, you'll lose everything.
2) You can tether without rooting using FoxFi. The app itself was removed from the play store, but the "add-on" remains. Look in the add-on's description for a link to the full FoxFi .apk file.
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No one deserves to be flamed. I dont blame a single person that posts repeated questions as I try and do search and get conflicting info, confusing info and so many root methods its hard to choose. They don't wanna wreck their phone or waste an hour trying a method that doesn't work.
I am glad to see you helped instead of stopping at the deserve to be flamed. FWIW.
Searched google with lots of different keywords and can't find anything that will successfully root this phone. It's running 4.0.4 IMM76I ics with software version 1.006SP, hardware 010B. The kernel version, if it helps, is:
3.0.21-g88ef181
[email protected] #1
SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 18
08:39:31 JST 2013
I've tried superoneclick, multiroot (title is root many.... on xda mainly for sony but some kyocera), and xfactor exploit. I know most of them aren't for this specific phone. In the root many and xfactor, it does manage to call up the restore screen but the phone closes the restore a few seconds after opening it and the exploit fails every time. I've been checking every day for new news for this phone but haven't found anything yet. I assume it is because it isn't a popular phone as to why there is not a guide. I assume that kyocera/sprint buttoned up the back doors for the other kyocera phones on this model. Any suggestions or clarifications are welcome.
1/24/2014: edited for others who might come across this topic in the future.
the old instructions to use motochopper to get root isn't necessary anymore.
only thing a person needs now is Framaroot http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2130276
i used the latest one 1.8.1 w/o problems.
make sure to click "Gandalf"
after SuperSU app is installed, go into the settings of SuperSU, and choose "Grant" for default access.
Def need to get rid of the bloatware .... bump!
Rooting the Kyocera Torque
So I finally got around to replacing my old EVO with something a little more durable, but the sprint bloatware is killing me. Would someone with the proper skill sets please figure out how to root the Torque? I know at the very least I would be extremely grateful.
"Bump"
-Cheers
JonesZen
**BTW the xda n00b video is a little insulting.
joneszen said:
So I finally got around to replacing my old EVO with something a little more durable, but the sprint bloatware is killing me. Would someone with the proper skill sets please figure out how to root the Torque? I know at the very least I would be extremely grateful.
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-Cheers
JonesZen
**BTW the xda n00b video is a little insulting.
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My work just switched over to sprint and got us all this phone. So that's about 40 of us that got this one, and its horrible that we have no root! We would be extremely grateful if we could get some root going on!
Kyocera torque root
Im in the same boat :-/
"Bump"
1/24/2014: edited for others who might come across this topic in the future.
the old instructions to use motochopper to get root isn't necessary anymore.
only thing a person needs now is Framaroot http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2130276
i used the latest one 1.8.1 w/o problems.
make sure to click "Gandalf"
after SuperSU app is installed, go into the settings of SuperSU, and choose "Grant" for default access.
add My vote
Another vote! :good:
Would love to have root on this phone.
please help root my phone
oscarthegrouch said:
Searched google with lots of different keywords and can't find anything that will successfully root this phone. It's running 4.0.4 IMM76I ics with software version 1.006SP, hardware 010B. The kernel version, if it helps, is:
3.0.21-g88ef181
[email protected] #1
SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 18
08:39:31 JST 2013
I've tried superoneclick, multiroot (title is root many.... on xda mainly for sony but some kyocera), and xfactor exploit. I know most of them aren't for this specific phone. In the root many and xfactor, it does manage to call up the restore screen but the phone closes the restore a few seconds after opening it and the exploit fails every time. I've been checking every day for new news for this phone but haven't found anything yet. I assume it is because it isn't a popular phone as to why there is not a guide. I assume that kyocera/sprint buttoned up the back doors for the other kyocera phones on this model. Any suggestions or clarifications are welcome.
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I to have tried other rooting methods (poot, z4root) because they work on other kyocera phones with no luck. But I don't believe that kyocera/sprint buttoned up the back door. Where there is a will there is a way. I'm w willing to try any other methods that anyone would be willing to share . The other commits say this is not a popular device I disagree with that it will sell in good numbers. We just need to find someone willing to root it and build us some roms. Thats why my hat is off to all the people who put forth an effort on the HTC EVO, HTC Hero, Samsung Epic, S2 and S3. If you or anyone have any ideas who we need to talk to, a root method, or anything let me know I will try anything to get rid of bloat and root this device. If I knew how to write a script to do it myself it would be done but I'm no where near the talent level of the ones who do. I'm just a flasher
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I to have tried other rooting methods (poot, z4root) because they work on other kyocera phones with no luck. But I don't believe that kyocera/sprint buttoned up the back door. Where there is a will there is a way. I'm w willing to try any other methods that anyone would be willing to share . The other commits say this is not a popular device I disagree with that it will sell in good numbers. We just need to find someone willing to root it and build us some roms. Thats why my hat is off to all the people who put forth an effort on the HTC EVO, HTC Hero, Samsung Epic, S2 and S3. If you or anyone have any ideas who we need to talk to, a root method, or anything let me know I will try anything to get rid of bloat and root this device. If I knew how to write a script to do it myself it would be done but I'm no where near the talent level of the ones who do. I'm just a flasher
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I've tried to I'm blue in the face!!! I tried to reach out to others who have helped me in rooting and in roms with no luck whatsoever because of devices like the HTC ONE and the new S4 around the corner they must have their hands full. I've also tried the two methods that you did as well as SRS One Click. I just wish I know how to do this and I would do it myself. Please someone out there HELP US!!!!!!:cyclops: Teach me!!
My buddy had gotten this phone and I wanted to help him get rid of the bloat ware. I have tried everything but the one click root program. I wanted to try like I first did on the original evo 4g. Someone, I'm assuming a dev had put in how to basically on adb put the phone into a suspend type mode and were able to root the phone then. I looked all over for the code, but couldn't find it. I'll willing to try anything too. I'm not a dev, but I'm not a noob. I do know a little with the android coding, so anything I can do to help...
A lot of rambling too
1/24/2014: edited for others who might come across this topic in the future.
the old instructions to use motochopper to get root isn't necessary anymore.
only thing a person needs now is Framaroot http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2130276
i used the latest one 1.8.1 w/o problems.
make sure to click "Gandalf"
after SuperSU app is installed, go into the settings of SuperSU, and choose "Grant" for default access.
From a rooted torque
oscarthegrouch said:
Searched google with lots of different keywords and can't find anything that will successfully root this phone. It's running 4.0.4 IMM76I ics with software version 1.006SP, hardware 010B. The kernel version, if it helps, is:
3.0.21-g88ef181
[email protected] #1
SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 18
08:39:31 JST 2013
I've tried superoneclick, multiroot (title is root many.... on xda mainly for sony but some kyocera), and xfactor exploit. I know most of them aren't for this specific phone. In the root many and xfactor, it does manage to call up the restore screen but the phone closes the restore a few seconds after opening it and the exploit fails every time. I've been checking every day for new news for this phone but haven't found anything yet. I assume it is because it isn't a popular phone as to why there is not a guide. I assume that kyocera/sprint buttoned up the back doors for the other kyocera phones on this model. Any suggestions or clarifications are welcome.
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Ok! try motochop it works the only problem is I can't get superuser to work right. You have to go into the settings and set default access as grant. From what I know the 1st rooted torque ever.
Thank the dev djrblizz (I hope I got that right)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2252248
AWESOME!!!!
zo15 said:
Ok! try motochop it works the only problem is I can't get superuser to work right. You have to go into the settings and set default access as grant. From what I know the 1st rooted torque ever.
Thank the dev djrblizz (I hope I got that right)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2252248
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I actually just saw this phone in the store the other day and am considering purchasing it.
Don't actually need Direct Connect, tho.... so I'm wondering how easy it would be to use or even make a custom rom with 4.2, and perhaps the EcoBoost and Maximizer (sp?) battery saving apps that come stock with the Sprint firmware.
I'm guessing that if the phone has been rooted, the Roms will come??
i tried the motochop on the torque, and it said successful and everything, changed the acces to auto allow, and it still isnt working. Superuser is there, but wont work. did you do anything special or anything else?
zo15 said:
Ok! try motochop it works the only problem is I can't get superuser to work right. You have to go into the settings and set default access as grant. From what I know the 1st rooted torque ever.
Thank the dev djrblizz (I hope I got that right)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2252248
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dakota-boy said:
i tried the motochop on the torque, and it said successful and everything, changed the acces to auto allow, and it still isnt working. Superuser is there, but wont work. did you do anything special or anything else?
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The next question is which release version are you guys using when attempting root with motochopper? It is now at 1.007SP. I attempted a few different methods while on 1.006SP without success. Personally, I only would like root for general reasons (Titanium Backup to efficiently backup/restore/transfer apps between wipes and possibly tethering) along with reprogramming/disabling the DC button (though 1.007SP has alleviated this a bit by cancelling its ability to wake the device while disabled in the system settings; 1.006SP still allowed DC button device wake even while disabled). If this were my primary phone, I would probably commit more time to it, but maybe I will after a little more feedback from yall currently working on it.
SoHardcore said:
I actually just saw this phone in the store the other day and am considering purchasing it.
Don't actually need Direct Connect, tho.... so I'm wondering how easy it would be to use or even make a custom rom with 4.2, and perhaps the EcoBoost and Maximizer (sp?) battery saving apps that come stock with the Sprint firmware.
I'm guessing that if the phone has been rooted, the Roms will come??
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I would hold up on purchasing if you think what has been posted thus far is automatically going to lead to custom ROMs to the extent of what you are saying...at all. First off, this phone is currently running 4.0.4 ICS and not even 4.1 JB (so jumping to 4.2 on a phone without wide usership and development would require you to step in, crack your knuckles and figure some stuff out). And, second, there would, likely, have to be some serious porting & dev efforts to fathom anything you just said after seeing a single report of unstable root access. To put things in perspective, this 2-page thread is just about the only public forum activity pertaining the the Torque's root...pretty dismal.
So root for this phone actually is working on the stock rom, and allows bloatware removal & root roms?
I could care less about custom roms, kernels, whatnot. I'm still running an Evo 4G, and would love to be able to pick up this phone for the DC, so that I don't have to carry two cell phones everywhere (My Evo, and the work-issued Direct Connect phone).
I don't care about the latest & greatest (as evidenced by my "ancient" Evo), so this phone would be an upgrade over what I have... assuming that root is available so that I can remove bloatware, add Titanium Backup, Quick Boot, SetCPU, Wireless Tether, and Roam Control.
On my Evo, I run the stock rooted ROM, with the bloatware stripped out & the above Root apps... that's the only reason I need root.
superuser problems
VicFreeze said:
The next question is which release version are you guys using when attempting root with motochopper? It is now at 1.007SP. I attempted a few different methods while on 1.006SP without success. Personally, I only would like root for general reasons (Titanium Backup to efficiently backup/restore/transfer apps between wipes and possibly tethering) along with reprogramming/disabling the DC button (though 1.007SP has alleviated this a bit by cancelling its ability to wake the device while disabled in the system settings; 1.006SP still allowed DC button device wake even while disabled). If this were my primary phone, I would probably commit more time to it, but maybe I will after a little more feedback from yall currently working on it.
I would hold up on purchasing if you think what has been posted thus far is automatically going to lead to custom ROMs to the extent of what you are saying...at all. First off, this phone is currently running 4.0.4 ICS and not even 4.1 JB (so jumping to 4.2 on a phone without wide usership and development would require you to step in, crack your knuckles and figure some stuff out). And, second, there would, likely, have to be some serious porting & dev efforts to fathom anything you just said after seeing a single report of unstable root access. To put things in perspective, this 2-page thread is just about the only public forum activity pertaining the the Torque's root...pretty dismal.
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Hi guys it was 1.0006. SP that I rooted at first I had the same problems with superuser at first. So I wiped my phone and used motochop again. Still I had no su ability. So I tried super one click to see if I could get it to fix the root and it said I had root access. Then I went back into superuser and granted permission to then updated the permission and busybox. It worked for me until I had 1.007 SP pushed to my phone and superuser stopped working I'm trying to find a fix and I will. My phone still shows root access I just think we need a superuser that work right.
slimbobaggins said:
So root for this phone actually is working on the stock rom, and allows bloatware removal & root roms?
I could care less about custom roms, kernels, whatnot. I'm still running an Evo 4G, and would love to be able to pick up this phone for the DC, so that I don't have to carry two cell phones everywhere (My Evo, and the work-issued Direct Connect phone).
I don't care about the latest & greatest (as evidenced by my "ancient" Evo), so this phone would be an upgrade over what I have... assuming that root is available so that I can remove bloatware, add Titanium Backup, Quick Boot, SetCPU, Wireless Tether, and Roam Control.
On my Evo, I run the stock rooted ROM, with the bloatware stripped out & the above Root apps... that's the only reason I need root.
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Not sure what you are gathering with what has been written so far, but, NO. Feel free to buy a Torque and start testing with everyone though.
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Hi guys it was 1.0006. SP that I rooted at first I had the same problems with superuser at first. So I wiped my phone and used motochop again. Still I had no su ability. So I tried super one click to see if I could get it to fix the root and it said I had root access. Then I went back into superuser and granted permission to then updated the permission and busybox. It worked for me until I had 1.007 SP pushed to my phone and superuser stopped working I'm trying to find a fix and I will. My phone still shows root access I just think we need a superuser that work right.
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I have one on each, but I will try on my 1.006SP one first and see what I get. I have to hold off on my updated 1.007SP one because I have to take it in for some hardware issues (no camera focus and one of the faux screws fell out on the front). About to check it out with motochopper on 1.006 (but I think I have already). I will report back.
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So, on 1.006SP, after motochopper, I have shell root using ADB on my PC but no apps recognize root access on the device itself. I am tempted to just allow 1.007SP to install and try from there. It is going to get to a point where everyone has the OTA installed anyway...if that becomes the case, it will be pointless to have root attained on an older version (unless a downgrade option becomes available).
Update 2:
Same deal with 1.007SP.
i've tried using alot of method, but still, i can't understand how to do it, it's not that simple. can anyone tell my in the simpliest way? or maybe someone has the prerooted rom to flash. thanks
You've said it yourself, it's not that simple. The concept itself is actually simple, we want root that we can "undo", so we need to backup the DRM keys before we unlock the bootloader and patch the kernel to gain root access. The execution however is complicated mostly because of the DRM backup part.
You mentioned that you've tried multiple times, what have you actually done so far?
Honestly though, the rooting guides that can be found on this forum are all quite detailed, if you can't even follow those instructions that are already simple and clear, I think it's better for you not to have root at all.
I say this because having root privilege without knowing what you're doing and unable to follow directions can really mess up your phone, and usually not easily recoverable. In the likely event that you failed to do whatever it is you want to do with your root access, you will probably need to employ even more complicated procedures to fix it, which I am guessing would be too much for you to handle. Proceed with caution my friend.
I was rooting a new Z5C yesterday and decided to document the process for reference and ended up making a new guide, hope this helps you.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/guide-how-to-root-z5c-painful-using-t3549388