Ironic that I'm posting this because I used to get so sick of seeing these back when rooting the D1 was the thing to do. However, I thought it might be nice to have a thread that anyone on the fence could browse through to see some opinions re pros & cons.
I rooted my D1 the day after I got it in Jan of 2010. This was before there were any easy tools and it was all new territory. It was pretty fun and I spent weeks of my spare time playing with different ROMS. But in the end, the only reason I think I stayed rooted was to get a black theme and to overclock because the D1 cpu was so much slower than other phones. Now I have a dual-core 1.2Ghz phone that already gets hot and I don't think I want to overclock it and the theme is already what I want. So why root?
I have the latest OS (almost) and the phone does pretty much everything I want. The only reason I can think of to root is to be on the bleeding edge & get little tiny features before anyone else. Don't get me wrong; that is fun, but since I've been there / done that, I'm not sure it's worth it this time. I know I can't decide on a ROM until I've tried all the popular ones and I don't think I want to spend all that time & energy bouncing between ROMS.
I thought maybe I would just get root so I could use my root tools like Titanium, etc, but now it looks like the current root prevents OTA updates and if I'm not going to custom ROM, then I want those OTA updates.
I've been on the edge of my seat, hoping the devs would crack this phone, but now that it's happened, here I sit trying to decide. Anyone else in this same boat?
If you read the post, you'll realize I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ADVICE - just looking for others' opinions, that's all.
My perspective? Definitely root. Why not? If I root and want nothing else? I'm all set. if I don't root and want to do something I can't without root i've got no options....
I see no down side. Also CM ftw.
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I don't know what the **** a 3vo is, but if you have an Evo 3D, I'd say root it. It's awesome.
I would root it just to get rid of annoying sprint apps that take up room for no good reason. I have the memory for it, but i hate seeing them just chill there.
You want my opinion? Root your damn evo 3d right NAOW!!!
If you aren't going to flash a new ROM then probably not much point because it will be hard to get updated software with out using a somewhat custom ROM.
But really why not root and find a ROM that suites you. These are all updated usually within hours of an update. Outside of losing some of the bloat you can barely tell that it isn't stock.
I'm in the same situation. I came from a rooted EVO 4G and enjoyed the benefits of flashing ROMs, mods, and having that "total control" feeling. I've since transitioned to the 3D without looking back...too much.
With the 4G, I got used to being able to move things around in the file system without any issue. Things like "I like that ringtone from the last ROM I used, but it's not on this one. No problem, just copy it into the /system/media area and the ringer's back". I also miss using root-required apps, and getting rid of what I dont want.
Having those abilities back would justify rooting the 3D, to me. There aren't any ROMs at the moment that have really caught my eye and I don't mind the stock one anyway. Decisions, decisions...
I'm Rooted
I had to root to see what kind of snappy features I could get out of my phone.
I will admit though, Any time I have extra time I am hovering around my computer looking for the latest updated rom, searching CM for their first release and scouting all over these forums waiting. I have a rom I'm satisfied with and it's great to not see 4 pages of useless apps in my app tray. My goal is to keep it at 2 pages and I'm happy with that.
I also am OCD about certain things like how much battery I have and now I can see my percentage the second I turn on my screen. It makes me happy.
I would still do it again if I had the choice. I plan on learning how to customize my own rom here in the future as soon as I see a good tutorial posted. One has been started in the development section.
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I don't know what the **** a 3vo is, but if you have an Evo 3D, I'd say root it. It's awesome.
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HAHA! SUPER CLEVER! It's funny because you're pretending like you don't know what 3vo is because you don't like the name! HAHA! You're funny! I see you post this everywhere! Neato witty person!
I also noticed from your previous posts that you're an asshole to many people. Good for you!!
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HAHA! SUPER CLEVER! It's funny because you're pretending like you don't know what 3vo is because you don't like the name! HAHA! You're funny! I see you post this everywhere! Neato witty person!
I also noticed from your previous posts that you're an asshole to many people. Good for you!!
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If he's an asshole by pointing out that the phone is an EVO 3D and not the 3vo, they deserve it. As for the question of this topic, I would definitely root it for ROMs and things like Ubuntu.
Dude, solstice is awesome <3 he's just expressing his opinion on the name. He also contributed by saying he should root it.
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A quick look at the profile tells me this person has contributed here & there but has regularly insulted others - go look. How is that awesome? I come here to read & post info about phones and roms. I know I have to see posts from people who don't know what they're doing - that just goes with the territory, but why should we have to see rude, childish crap? This isn't 4chan.
3vo has become a nickname for the phone. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not still a nickname. And it's easier to type. Get over it. Why so much drama? Who cares what people call the damned phone?
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A quick look at the profile tells me this person has contributed here & there but has regularly insulted others - go look. How is that awesome? I come here to read & post info about phones and roms. I know I have to see posts from people who don't know what they're doing - that just goes with the territory, but why should we have to see rude, childish crap? This isn't 4chan.
3vo has become a nickname for the phone. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not still a nickname. And it's easier to type. Get over it. Why so much drama? Who cares what people call the damned phone?
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I didnt think he was being an asshole or anything like that. Personally myself I dont like 3vo either. You mean to say 3d is harder to type then 3vo? And no im not trying to be a jerk either. But to me it looks like your pointing out stuff and making the drama by insulting the guy calling him an asshole and carrying on about his post. He has his right to his Opinion as do you.
As far as the root. I say to root.. even if its to get rid of bloatware and make the phone faster and take up less space. I like the way the 3d is layed out in general. But there are some things that can be improved. It also looks like you can easily take it back to stock if you so wanted to. I havent rooted mine yet, wont lie this is only my second Android device for myself. Wife has a Shift. I didnt root my Hero.. even though I should have it was horrible. but im pretty sure I will root my 3d. I do like the thought of being able to add ring tones from other roms and such and port over cool stuff. Not sure I want to change roms like crazy though. Who knows I just might get the bug.
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HAHA! SUPER CLEVER! It's funny because you're pretending like you don't know what 3vo is because you don't like the name! HAHA! You're funny! I see you post this everywhere! Neato witty person!
I also noticed from your previous posts that you're an asshole to many people. Good for you!!
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Christ, who pissed in your cheerios? I merely like to toy with people calling it a 3vo.
Anyways, yes, root it. Adfree is enough of a reason alone to root.
Edit: And I may be an asshole, but I'm an asshole who gets **** done. It's my goal to have all the assholes of the world come together one day and build a statue of me.
Hi Solstice, My name is Estrogen....ewwwwwwww. You are cool though!
You can always unroot.
You can stay stock and just add SU, Busybox.
I like it just for the full backup abilities.
Tethering is my main reason functionally wanting root. And with root I now have Sprint Hot Spot working without Ad-Hoc. That alone is worth rooting for.
Stock is not bad and most ROM's are near Stock with some minor clean up.
I'm sure HTC will close this exploit soon with an OTA update.
LOL ok ok i guess I was being a drama queen here. My bad.
A douche at work got me started this morning.
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It's cool dude. Enjoy your rooting!
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When rooted do you get HTC 3D updates? Htc has told me there will be some updates to improve the camera. The camera is my biggest disappointment with the phone, other than that its fast enough for me.
Plus I don't know how to root
d12bn said:
When rooted do you get HTC 3D updates? Htc has told me there will be some updates to improve the camera. The camera is my biggest disappointment with the phone, other than that its fast enough for me.
Plus I don't know how to root
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Any updates that are pushed OTA will be available (if not days-to-hours before) hours after the OTA goes live to any portion of the userbase. If the camera update is one of them it I would expect it to probably be available here before your phase of the OTA roll-out even gets it's turn. There are a lot of us who would really like that update.
It is best not to accept updates as they have to potential to un-root you and making getting root again anywhere from difficult to impossible--ever. again. Ask E4G owners that took the update how that's working out for them. If you prize being rooted and all of the amazing things that lets you do I would recommend never taking an update. ever. Just check in here and you'll probably be ahead of the curve by a day or two...if not--worst case scenario: you get the update 3 or 4 hours late.
<opinion> Also, yeah, 3vo is weak. It's an EVO 3D. Everyone can call it what they wish, but, are we all 12 years old or does it just feel like that when everyone calls an HTC Evo 3D a "Three-voh"...IMO it doesn't look cool, it doesn't sound cool and has really suggested to me that this forum is more populated with 2-fast-2-furious fans than actual geeks. </opinion>
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Well.... It has happened again... I get an OTA and the ish talking starts bout me holding back the "community"... So again I'm going to release the file I have... This time will be a little different though. I stated VERY clearly in the radio thread what I was doing and the fact that this OTA WILL NOT FLASH nor will anyone know wtf to do with it.... No one listened and instead ran their necks so F it.... Once you realize that there are several hundred .p patch files that will need to be applied to individual files, in succession, through 5 builds, then figuring out what kind of patches they are to begin with, then figuring out you need a specific binary to apply them, one you cant get, your on the right track.... Good luck with that... I'm sorry about this but honestly I'm tired of working on a device I don't even use, for days and days, with pneumonia mind you, for people to talk ish and complain about what I am doing. So I'm gonna leave it in the hands of the "well wishers" and let them take care of this for you guys... To those that havent *****ed, I apologize, but I'm pretty fed up with the amount of ignorance around here... So anyways, heres your OTA... Have fun with it and I will stop back by with an "I told you so" every now and then.... CR
Froyo Espresso OTA
lol im glad i have an epic. i just wanted to see what you were talking about in your twitter feed
People are still saying you're holding back from the community? Yeah, they're definitely ignorant. :/ I wasn't exactly around when this stuff was going on before, but I was lurking and even then it was pretty dumb.
Sorry that it has to happen this way, CR! Thank you for the work you've contributed thus far and all the great gifts you come bearing when you stop by.(Like this latest radio).
Well thanks to everyone who whines and *****es... a true dev comes along to help and you find a way to make him leave haha.. thanks CR for the work and trying mate. Good thing I'm getting new G2 on Tuesday
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This is really sad... damn ungrateful people...
Thanks for everything CR
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Well, I managed to update to this using some secret sauce, but I have now permanently lost root and S-OFF. Exploid and Rage Against the Cage-based exploits DO NOT WORK on this version of the kernel (2.6.32.29) included in this OTA.
On the plus side it does have USB/Wifi tethering built-in, so my need for root has dramatically decreased.
Just stick with whatever you have now until a new exploit comes out for >= 2.6.32.29, but don't hold your breath since it's unlikely ANY time soon.
:/ it is sad....at least you gave us the radio! And actually tried to patch the files! Thanks for all the work....hope you come back!
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There is a quick and simple solution to this problem and I think that most will agre that it is for the better of the community.\
First call these people out by name, post their PM's if any publicly
Then have their accounts suspended for no less than 30 days.
How dare someone make a statement like that, We got what 1 maybe 2 developers left with this device? Are you flipping kidding me? You asses are sitting there complaining about how the development on this device is dead, yet when someone has something, and is working n something you jump the freaking gun with stupid ill thought out comments.
So now it up to you lil ^itches that think you know everything to develop for this device. You wanted what he had released so freaking bad. So lets see what ya got... Hell there is no reason why you should not be able to crank out a working ROM with what he released by the of the day today.... I mean hell if you can't then YOU held back development of this phone.
XDA needs to do something about this.
The whole 10 post rule is BS. It does nothing
I think it needs to become a pay to play forum
I know thats not how it SHOULD be, and that it
COULD hinder development. but I DOUBT it.
Personally.....
CR your work is awesome, I appreciate it very much. Thank you for what you have done,
to the ^itches.... Thanks now I gotta go buy a new damn phone, that developers want to work on. Hopefully you are broke ass kids and cant afford a new one and will stay here and die with this forum, and phone. After all you started this...
Wow CR this sux that people's ignorance has to stop us from getting froyo finally with flash possibilities. This sux...
Thanks Chief for all the hard work. I thought your last update was the best rom and didn't have any problems. I guess its time to upgrade.
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I am pretty sure I know who it was... If you read through the RADIO thread there are 2 or 3 that were practically begging for the files he had.
I wont call them out myself being that I DONT FOR SURE KNOW. but if you read through there you could possibly figure it out. I am not encouraging anything, but I am sure a few people around here know of a few ways that will have their ISP shut them down for a day or so....
atlmatt said:
There is a quick and simple solution to this problem and I think that most will agre that it is for the better of the community.\
First call these people out by name, post their PM's if any publicly
Then have their accounts suspended for no less than 30 days.
How dare someone make a statement like that, We got what 1 maybe 2 developers left with this device? Are you flipping kidding me? You asses are sitting there complaining about how the development on this device is dead, yet when someone has something, and is working n something you jump the freaking gun with stupid ill thought out comments.
So now it up to you lil ^itches that think you know everything to develop for this device. You wanted what he had released so freaking bad. So lets see what ya got... Hell there is no reason why you should not be able to crank out a working ROM with what he released by the of the day today.... I mean hell if you can't then YOU held back development of this phone.
XDA needs to do something about this.
The whole 10 post rule is BS. It does nothing
I think it needs to become a pay to play forum
I know thats not how it SHOULD be, and that it
COULD hinder development. but I DOUBT it.
Personally.....
CR your work is awesome, I appreciate it very much. Thank you for what you have done,
to the ^itches.... Thanks now I gotta go buy a new damn phone, that developers want to work on. Hopefully you are broke ass kids and cant afford a new one and will stay here and die with this forum, and phone. After all you started this...
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you took the words right out my mouth
Chief wasn't the only one being bugged about the files. I've got a crap load of PMs and tweets asking me for the ota. I'm doing my best to provide CR with the files he needs to get this working for you guys. Hell, I don't even have a slide. Did I have to contact Chief letting him in on the file? Nope. If you guys would have waited a day or 2, you probably would have had a working OTA. But no, you had to keep *****ing to me and CR.
Chief, if you still want the files, hit me up on G and ill grab them.
Krylon360™
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Most of the people who wanted to see this zip released are not at all interested in actually running this rom. In fact, the more interesting bits are the sdio and tiwlan files that we might be able to fix the still-borked wifi in CM7.
Chiefz: nobody intended to give you ****, but there is absolute truth in the saying that many hands make light work. The more people looking at this, the more likely it is that it can be put to good use. The folks in #mytouchslide will be putting lots of eyes on this to see what outstanding issues we might be able to fix.
Thank you for releasing this and I'm sorry if you felt people were hassling you.
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Chief wasn't the only one being bugged about the files. I've got a crap load of PMs and tweets asking me for the ota. I'm doing my best to provide CR with the files he needs to get this working for you guys. Hell, I don't even have a slide. Did I have to contact Chief letting him in on the file? Nope. If you guys would have waited a day or 2, you probably would have had a working OTA. But no, you had to keep *****ing to me and CR.
Chief, if you still want the files, hit me up on G and ill grab them.
Krylon360™
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Thanks for the great help mate and as to CR if you read this hopefully you can understand that there is more good apples than the bad ones mate. Thanks either way with the final choice you make!
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Chiefz, don't listen to those noobs. You do a great job here and we all appreciate you as a hard working person that always brings good stuff to the forum and as a very good friend no matter what you do.
Thanks for all
Damn whiny 12 year olds.. you can't escape their wrath!!
2.2.1 Rooted OTA..u will be missed.
i personally think this was a good move to shut the people up that dont know what they are doing (like myself, (-) the talking crap part). but now that you have made your point chiefz, you should really continue your work. you would have the praise of the community!
No this was not a good move. It has left so many of without any hope of ever making our phones just that much cooler, that much better...
I am pissed off to the point I am shopping for a new phone today
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that sucks, but i don't blame you. thanks for everything, mang.
Came from a friend on another forum:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
The person who sent the email responded asking why other people were getting vague emails that gave no certain answer on the future of the 3vos bootloader.
This is the return reply:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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I don't see any evidence that their definition of soon matches with my definition of soon...it is a relative term, after all.
I'm going err on the side of caution, unfortunately. They have 2 weeks.
Regardless of time frame, we are all at the mercy of HTC sadly enough
The date on that link is June 17.
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stop with these threads i dont see any new information here.
if its that big of a deal return the phone so the people who are gonna keep it dont have to see these dumb threads.
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The date on that link is June 17.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I would imagine it has more to do with appeasing partners (read: Sprint) than it has to do with technical hurdles...though I'm sure there is still a redundantly redundant amount of testing involved. Most of it is probably policy and politics than anything else.
omgtheybetterfixitinthenexttwelvesecondsorimsogoingtoreturnthisphonegoddamn
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
JasonM79 said:
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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i agree make it so the person knows what they are doing
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
JasonM79 said:
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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If teamwin does it great. However I would be very surprised if there weren't strings attached to HTC's solution and no thanks to that. If the SGS2 would be announced for a pre-September release date the 3D is going back.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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he probably knows that he was just saying it might be better if they did it that way.
Irishman42 said:
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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Well, in if that happens in 2 months from now you and the 3 remaining devs will have a blast I'm sure. This technology moves way too fast for delays like this. The first 30 days is a given, return period, time to root, etc...but this time we are up against heavy duty security for heavy duty securities sake.
While I do exaggerate a bit my point remains. We don't have time to wait as much as you think we do...developers want to develop, and when they put a commitment into a device, well, not being able to develop a god damned thing for that device is kinda a turn off. Few of our best ROM developers are also the low-level guys doing the heavy lifting and intense probing and testing required to attain root/s-off...there is an overlap, yes, but most of these guys just want to make a rom or work on a kernel, and that is to say nothing of the theme guys who operate as creative talent before technical talent...
This is an elaborate ecosystem of skills and talents here. If you happened to be one of us lucky ones in the EVO4G community from the beginning you should know that it was a bunch of coincidence and a pre-release root (and the happenstance of Sprint getting its first kickass superphone--now a regular event)...so don't expect that magic to sit around waiting for this phone to be opened up.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but that there were a lot of factors that went into it happening last time--just having a decent phone and a forum weren't what made it happen.
Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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It's a very capable phone, I agree. But it has far more potential than it has capability...and I didn't buy this phone to only be as capable as the phone it was replacing (a heavily modded EVO4G) with the only difference that I can actually see is a resolution difference.
Sure, we knew it would come locked. I knew I'd have this decision to make. It's a very capable phone. But it is also capable of so much more...that's what I want out of it. My 4G was doing everything at least as fast and with at least as good battery life with far more flexibility...
...the only reason I am so impatient is for the reason I posted above. If it doesn't happen relatively quickly the spark will fade rapidly. I feel very comfortable in the 30-day window. But as the 30 day window closes I am not going to be the only one who sizes up this situation and has to make a decision...more important than me and you and all of the other users there are the developers. The ones who provide the value-adding goodies that we love so much...without them we just have a phone like a million other phones, excuse me, that takes 3D pictures and/or Video...the only differentiating feature really....sure, HTC didn't sell a device that was intended to do the things I want to do with it--but it could...until they made it so it couldn't specifically...artificially...
You might not get it...if that's the case, congrats, this is the phone for you. No regrets. Rock on. But for me and what I would imagine are the majority of others here that is a deal breaker.....
@daneurysm: very, very well stated. I'm with you 100%
my email exchanges...
I have purchased your mogul,evo,and now evo3d. I would like to say that I love the evo3d, its an amazing device. But, if the bootloader isnt unlocked or rooted by the time my 30 days is up, I will be returning it. I feel as though I own the device, and used my hard earned money to buy it, and like a computer I should have access to it. I understand the consumer doesn't matter at all in todays corporate run world, but this is my stance, as is many others. I bought it, I own it, it is no longer yours or sprints as I'm not leasing it, I own it, its mine. Thanks, maybe.
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I certainly understand that you're looking for the bootloader of the EVO 3D to be unlocked. This is indeed something that we're working on, true to our word. We don't have a date set yet for when the update to do so will be available, but as this is a high priority situation when there is news on the subject it will be posted to our social media outlets, like our Facebook and our Twitter just as the previous announcement was. I hope that it is soon.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Philip
Now that HTC made their announcement a couple of weeks ago, we have an actual ETA on the unlocked bootloader. That said, as we all know, it'll be a month or two before this goes into effect. I know that many people (myself included) jumped to the EVO 3D because of the spectacular dev support that the 4G received, hoping that the 3D would get similar support on even better hardware. I think there were many people disappointed in HTC regarding the bootloader and how long it took them to unlock it (and awesomely impressed with dev temp-root workarounds!), and I certainly wouldn't blame developers for jumping ship to another device due to impatience with HTC. Of course, if devs go, there will the people follow.
My question to the devs is that now that we're reaching the deadline of the 30 day exchange policy and with rumors of the Galaxy 2 II on the horizon, are you going to be sticking with the EVO3D or returning it to develop for another phone?
I ask not to call anyone out, but out of sheer curiosity and self-interest. As awesome as this phone is, I want to go with the phone that is going to get the most development, and I know I'm not alone in that regard.
Thanks for your time!
Personally I don't care. But you're going get flamed by some "Obese and Ugly" Super Nerd that has some kind of Napolean Complex and feels the need to tell you that this post is in the wrong section. He thinks he's doing XDA and the "interwebz" a service and also speculates daily that he's important on some grand level.
All that aside. Development for the EVO 3D is ****. It's over. Thanks to Stericson.
I've jumped ship. I'll never purchase another HTC phone, they can shove them up their ass, lock their bootloaders and masterbate on the code as it prints out from their ****** iMac and MacBook Pro's.
..sigh.
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All that aside. Development for the EVO 3D is ****. It's over. Thanks to Stericson.
..sigh.
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I would agree with this statement.
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I would agree with this statement.
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Sad but true .. all I want is to be able to tether
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really is it over what dev's have jumped ship?
No one, just a bunch of morons talking out there ass
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really is it over what dev's have jumped ship?
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He doesnt sound like he's jumping ship, and last I checked he was a pretty important DEV. At least in my book!
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He doesnt sound like he's jumping ship, and last I checked he was a pretty important DEV. At least in my book!
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Linking fail.
Not many just bounce. Where they stand? Standing on the middle of the screen...
Really guys, is too soon to jump out the ship, we gotta be patience, I believe on the EVO3D dev team!
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I don't think any devs have jumped ship, theirs just no reason to develop anything right now. The only thing we have right now is temp root and that has been developed into something far beyond what it started off as.And not to forget the all the skins, unrooted rosie mods, overclocking and everyone behind the scenes working on trying to crack the bootloader with the little there is to work with. For now the 3D is a great example of the saying- when life throws you lemons... And when one of the outstanding Devs here squeezes the juice out of the locked bootloader we will have us one fine lemonade stand.
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Not many just bounce. Where they stand? Standing on the middle of the screen...
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Sorry, fixed the link. I was trying to do it from my phone, and it defaulted to mobile twitter.
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I would agree with this statement.
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I wouldn't at all (even though we really aren't have a "Dev" discussion right now), I hardly see how anyone can say "HE" killed dev for our device. I don't think the dev is dead at all, hell, he tried to keep all the BS and stupid questions out of the Dev section. I personally think that the fact there has been a min post count rule implemented across the dev forums speaks volumes to and shows that people do need to read and respect the a) section and b) OP when posting in a thread, well.... lets say posting HTC rants in a thread dedicated to our temp root solution.
"He" may have been a bit slow to reopen the thread (in our section) that he was basically forced to police because of morons that can't read or comprehend just what a dev thread is for, but that hardly constitutes making the "Dev being dead, over and out". Said morons and illiterates actually drove the dev's to IRC, away from the public forum where they started and hoped to collect ideas and garner more support from the masses on the development work.
I would like to hear a dev say "he" killed their work on this device... sounds like crazy talk to me from some impatient users.
I won't be jumping ship (speaking as veteran flash addict and avid Dev supporter), we'll have our perm root one way or another. I am just surprised to see people acting so butt hurt over what is going on, a month out of the gate.
Now that, is some sad shhhht to sigh about...
Oh, and... IBTL
I hope allot of the 4g devs do make a appearance, I personally think most of them are the best there is. I believe we picked up a bunch of hero guys too, there's a whole lot of exceptional talent in that group too. I think once we get full root, theres going to be some real awesume stuff pop up overnight in this forum,
I do have to say the ones that are here now are going a great job and putting out a lot of badass stuff considering all most of them have to work with is teamwin's temp root.
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So many devs have been working really hard on unlocking and rooting this device. On the near horizon there will be so many awesome mods and roms and mods our heads will spin. It's been around 30 days since the device was released and there are ton's of people on board. Once the bootloader is open the floodgates will too. Just sit tight and wait. Good things to come.
You guys have to realize also there is a BIG difference between devs and chefs
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I heard deck, myn, and virus are aboard. I know fresh is. I am sure many other are. I also believe the dev responsible for the kernal for cm7 is aboard to. What is his name? Man bugging me now....
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So many devs have been working really hard on unlocking and rooting this device. On the near horizon there will be so many awesome mods and roms and mods our heads will spin. It's been around 30 days since the device was released and there are ton's of people on board. Once the bootloader is open the floodgates will too. Just sit tight and wait. Good things to come.
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I think that's pretty much where I'm at, just sitting tight. I found myself in the unfortunate spot of getting a 3D with a touchscreen issue, and I'm between doing a 30 day return or exchange. I think more than likely I'll end up keeping it (the thing is a beast), and it's good to know that there's other people sticking around
I think we should all jump ship and give up, after all that's why we're here, at xda developers. Also, this piece of junk unmatched phone had been out for a crazy long 37 days, what with no root... WTF. And that damn mod... Keeping morons with big mouths out of dev threads, what a douche, we should just let everyone say and do what they want in here. That way we could read more. I hope a mod closes this thread and bans the OP for a month, for fun (because this awesome development is... A question). Member since 08 ... Get some email addresses or follow them on Twitter, or pm them, or find them in webchat, that's how you talk to a dev.
BANG! from my shooter...
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You guys have to realize also there is a BIG difference between devs and chefs
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Good point. I did generalize by saying "devs" but I definitely meant both. ROMs are one of the best reasons to root. Looking forward to getting some CM, kushdeck, and MIUI on this bad boy, not to mention the host of awesome Sense developers like Myn, Virus, and Ava. From most responses, it seems like we don't have too much to worry about. As far as CM and MIUI are concerned, if demand is high enough, there'll either be an official release or at the very least a port, since they're community projects.
Hello everyone, I decided to start a little something called "Pauls ROM reviews" where I give you the low down on the hottest ROMs for the EVO 3D and give you some information about the developer/developing team and a little information and background about the people behind the ROMS. I figured this would be a fun way to get to know our developers more personally and to learn more about their work, and some of their future plans. Too often I feel we take them for granted so I thought giving you all some more information about the developers we can build more personal relationships so we can all understand one another better. I feel this will help build a stronger community and set us apart from some of the other forums on XDA.
This is very much an "average joe" review and is in no way claiming to be or attempting to be editorial quality material, structure, or content. This is meant to be a brief "feel" for what the ROM is about and what I think are the benefits of it, so please be gentle.
Today we are going to dive into viperROM, arguably one of the most popular ROMS. The viperROM thread is hot right now, a lot of people are excited about this ROM and its getting a lot of downloads and attention. The developers of this ROM are really on top of their game, are online often answering questions and being really helpful when people have problems. I feel they have a great dedication to their fan base and really care about their input and concerns, so I figured this would be a great place to start for a first ROM. Plus this is one of my favorite ROMs right now, so I really wanted to help spread the word out there for those of you still on the fence about rooting or maybe trying this ROM. I guarantee you: you want to try it! This is really great stuff guys.
First I would like to drive right into the ROM and go over some of its features with you. To set the record straight this will not be an insanely lengthy, long editorial over every single feature of the ROM. I will only be discussing some of the things I find most relevant and that other people will find relevant. Any questions about other features that aren't mentioned here should be directed to the viperROM thread in the Android Development section of the EVO 3D forums.
First and foremost I find the battery life to be good. Considering the screen on this phone I didn't expect it to be amazing, but I can typically make it about 8-10 hours with a lot of usage throughout the day at work texting and internet browing a lot of the day with the phone awake most of the time. I consider this pretty good. If you aren't an extremely heavy user it wouldn't surprise me if you could squeeze a good 15 hours or more out of this ROM if you have decent reception where you are at.
One of the great things about this ROM is the OC script that is built into the ROM. I really like this, because I feel that it is one less app running in the background consuming space and battery, and I think overall a script like this is probably more efficient than an application governing the CPU. It is quite simple to run and allows the governor of your sleep state and awake state, as well as all the clock speeds your particular kernel allows.
Hotspot is unlocked as well, ads are blocked, there are memory tweaks in the ROM, and a lot of bloatware we don't use has also been removed. Luckily for those who do want some of these apps, viper was courteous enough to leave the zip files on the SD card to install at your leisure. The four in one boot option is something that is really nice as well. There are other great additions to the ROM; I would recommend reading about them over in the development thread as these things are what are most important to me. One other thing, this ROM has one hell of a theme. It really looks great and is quite appealing to the eyes. Many people have a lot of positive feedback on it, so if you are an eye candy lover this should be a treat for you. Now I want to tell you about the best part of this ROM..
This is the true icing on the cake. Not only is this ROM feature rich and does not sacrifice any HTC Sense features for those of you who love Sense ROMS, but it runs FASTER than any other Sense ROM I have had the pleasure of running in the development section. For me, this runs faster than even the stripped Sense ROMs. That really says something to me; these guys did a fantastic job of optimizing here. They not only provided a feature rich package for us, but it runs so damn fast. I am running it at the default 1188MHz without a stutter or a hiccup in speeds. I highly recommend Opera Browser on this ROM as well, it is butter smooth, scrolling up and down pages is absolutely flawless and lag free. This is more than I could say for the stock ROM. I suspect a lot of this might be due to the GPU acceleration which was added in RC 1.3. For those of you who have tried this ROM before but might be using something else, you need to flash ViperROM RC 1.3. You won't be disappointed!
The main point about this ROM that I'd like to get out to you all is that if you want a ROM that doesn’t sacrifice HTC Sense and has stellar performance this is the one for you. There are a lot of options out there right now and a lot of you are overwhelmed and don't know where to start. This is where you should start; I feel this is the bar for Sense ROMs right now. Start with viperROM and then compare other ROMs; I don't think you'll regret it.
Go here to check out a full list of features. Read the first couple posts: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192628
Next it's time to meet -viperboy- and Vinchenzop, they are working on this ROM together and are a formidable team. I am going to ask them a bunch of questions. We will get to know these two developers a bit better, learn more about the ROM, their future plans for ViperROM and more. Let’s begin!
-viperboy- interview:
1. Tell us a bit about you, some of your hobbies and interests, what you like doing in your free time or whatever else you'd like your fans to know.
"Well, Android is my biggest hobby without a doubt. I do love cars as well, my daily driver is an 02 Nissan Maxima 6MT with about 5k in motor work (10k+ into the car total), quite the sleeper! haha I have a wonderful circle of friends that I know I can always count on and a wonderful girlfriend who puts up with all my Android nonsense lol
I used to work for Verizon Wireless as an In-Store Technician. I was very good at what I did, getting calls from District Managers 150+ miles away asking me how to solve major customer issues, leading conference calls to entire districts to fill them in on new technology and information we should know about (pulled many an article to share from Droid-Life and EngadgetMobile!), and, most importantly, making my customers happy. I am a people-pleaser and I did everything I could to make a customer happy, including honoring warrantys on rooted phones
I loved my job but I had to leave my full-time job at Verizon Wireless to work part-time at Best Buy so I could go back to school. I am a Multi-Channel Sales Associate (aka "Store *****" - the person you talk to on the phone when you call and ask me annoying questions like "Do you have one of them iPod 2 tablet things??") Everyone at works knows I'm nuts about phones and Android and I used to work in Best Buy Mobile and brought alot of my talent over there. I pretty much got everyone on the Android train and taught people how to mod their own phones! Quite a beautiful thing!
I currently attend Penn State University persuing a degree in Information Science and Technology. One day, I would love to work for HTC or one of the other OEMs with my dream job being working for Google in their Android division!"
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2. How long have you been developing on the Android platform?
"I have been deving for Android for less than 6 months but I've learned so much, it's insane! Right now, my big projects are viperROM and viperMOD Voltage Control. viperROM is my first ROM and I've created and I'm very proud to put my name on it. viperMOD Voltage Control has been about 4 months in the making, starting out as a fairly simple shell script and now the app is almost complete! I found that I really enjoy shell scripting the deeper I got into viperMOD and I would consider that my "specialty"."
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3. How do you feel about the future of the EVO 3D? Do you feel there are great things to come and still more potential to be unlocked in this phone?
"I think there is a great future for the EVO 3D! This phone has some of the best specs out there right now and the hardware is incredibly powerful, so there are many things going its way. There are a huge amount of ROMs out not even a week since we had S-OFF which I think really says how much interest there is in this phone. I would say that within the next month you will see some very amazing things starting to happen to this phone, so yes, plenty of potential still left in this phone (overclocking and tweaking the GPU, powerful custom kernels, etc)"
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4. What about the EVO 3D inspired you to know you wanted to develop for it? Is the EVO 3D your primary phone? If not what is?
"Truthfully, the hardware was the main draw for me. I didn't care much about the 3D part of the phone, although it is a cool "Look what my phone can do!" feature. I really see some tremendous potential in the hardware (And software too). Yes, the EVO 3D is my primary phone. I used to have an HTC EVO 4G before this and almost every Verizon Android phone when I worked for them - D1, DInc, DX (most recent phone when I left). My Dad, stepsister, stepmom, brother, and girlfriend all have Android's (EVO 3D, HTC Hero, Samsung Epic, HTC EVO Shift, and Samsung Captivate, respectively) but my mom and stepdad are too technically challened to want an Android lol"
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5. What made you choose to develop on the Android platform? Have you ever considered WebOS or iOS? What are your feelings about these platforms?
"I have had alot of phones in my day, even when I was in grade school and high school I would call Sprint and play the retention game and get new phones literally every few months. My Dad never cared as long as hit bill wasn't messed up lol I started over on SprintUsers.com working with BitPim to mod the RAZR2 and posting guides on how to work with it at the age of about 13/14. Once I found how much fun it was to modify phones, that was it! I moved away from dumbphones and started to get into smartphones. I had phones WinMo phones like the Moto Q, HTC Mogul, and HTC Touch. That was my platform of choice until I go into Blackberry. I really liked how solid they were and I wasn't a power user like I am now, so I liked it. The Blackberry 8900 was one of my favorite phones, to be honest. Looked great and was just fun to use! I would say the D1 was and always will be my favorite, as it was my entry into Android, then the HTC EVO 4G, and then the EVo 3D (slowly moving up my list!)
A little more on topic to the question you asked - I really liked the customization that you get with an Android phone. I liked that it was easy to hack and easy to make it feel like it was meant for you. I love that there is a ton of support out there for Android, XDA really is a wonderful site (minus the douchebaggery that can go on sometimes) I bought the original iphone back when it came out (had to drive to philly to get it since that was the closest apple store at the time and ATT wouldn't sell me an unlocked one!) and beta tested the original jailbreak and unlock for it. I managed to get it working on T-Mobile's prepaid sidekick plan and used it for a while. It was a cool phone at the time, but it still felt like it was lacking something. I also had the Pre for about 2 weeks and I just did not like it. No customization and I didn't think it had a good future (seems like I might have been right lol)
I feel like webOS will continue to be pushed by HP for a while, but I don't see it suceeding as a mobile platform and I see that slowly coming to and end. As for iOS, it does a great job with having almost identical SW between the devices (something android undeniably still lacks at the moment) and when jailbroken, I don't mind using it for a few days, but then I get bored but it will be taken over by Android and we are seeing that happen now. Android is only going to continue taking an even bigger lead."
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6. Are you surprised by the success of viperROM?
"To be honest, yes I am. I built the ROM as a fun project for me to see how I could do and I thought I might get a small following of people from the EVO 4G that liked viperMOD Voltage Control to use my ROM. I had NO idea that it was going to hit it off like this! It was, to my knowledge, the first booting and working EVO 3D ROM on S-OFF day. Just for a few stats, scott951 @miuimods.net gratiously offered to host our ROM but we had no idea what we were in for. In less than a week, we blew through over 7TB of data, so with the ROM being ~350mb, if my math is correct, that's almost 21,000 total downloads of RC1, RC1.1, and RC1.2. It was so much that scott951's host suspended the account, forcing us to look elsewhere for a host. We settled on dev-host.org and multiupload for mirror (after a failed attempt with wupload) and since then, we've had over 2500 downloads of RC1.3 in less than a 24hr period. I would say that's pretty good.
Also as it stand, we have the most posts and views of any ROM thread in EVO 3D dev "
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7. What are some of your future plans with the EVO 3D or the Android platform in general?
"I would like to get more into kernel development. I find it interesting and there is alot of technical information to learn which is fun for me to learn. Plus, that means that I can have a device running everything I made and I know everything can work together in perfect harmony. I'd also like to play with the GPU a little bit more and see how far it can be pushed.
The next big thing I'm going to need to get ready for is the launch of viperMOD Voltage Control and supporting as many devices as possible. I want to get this app to work on any device with a compatible kernel!"
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8. What kinds of things can we look forward to in future releases of viperROM? Are there any surprises we will want to keep our eyes open for?
"Well, I can't tell you everything I know but RC2 will be very nice. I am already working on it and I hope to make it the fastest Sense ROM on the EVO 3D with all the optimizations that I have planned. More details when the time approaches "
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9. What the hell is this "3VO" I keep hearing about?!
"Seriously, WTF is a 3VO?!?"
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10. What do you feel sets viperROM apart from all the other ROMs for the EVO 3D?
"What sets viperROM apart is the OC daemon that I implemented and build a script to work with it, battery life that is better than any other ROM while maintaining excellent performance, and lastly but most important is unparalleled user support. I am in my thread as often as possible to answer questions and support my work. If it takes more than an hour or so for a response from me, that is out of the ordinary. I also respond to every PM and email that I get. I want my users to have the same great experience I do when I use my ROM and I want to make sure they enjoy it, that is very important to me. "
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11. How did you and Vinchenzop team up?
"That is a funny story, but the short and sweet version is we had a chat one time via PM about how we noticed that a certain dev or devs weren't really doing their own work and were claiming other peoples work as theirs. We both found it repulsive and ridiculous and decided that we would make a good team together and we really do. I do almost all of the ROM work and he does almost all of the theme work and that really helps me out because it gives me more time to work on my stuff. He always gets things done quickly and fixes things for me almost right away if there is anything that isn't correct the first time around. I'm happy to have him as part of viperROM "
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Vinchenzop interview:
1. Tell us a bit about you, some of your hobbies and interests, what you like doing in your free time or whatever else you'd like your fans to know.
"Besides android, I love to spend alot of time with my family. I play alot of guitar around the house, as music has always been a huge part of my life."
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2. How long have you been developing on the Android platform?
"Truthfully, not very long. Maybe since March or April of this year. I had never even used Linux until I wanted to jump into Android development."
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3. How do you feel about the future of the EVO 3D? Do you feel there are great things to come and still more potential to be unlocked in this phone?
"Absolutely! This phone is a borderline mini-computer I know, that term has been used for years to describe "smart-phones", but this is the first time that I feel that it really applies to a phone correctly. With the obvious talent in the dev-pool on the Evo 3D, I think many great things are in the future of this phone."
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4. What about the EVO 3D inspired you to know you wanted to develop for it? Is the EVO 3D your primary phone? If not what is?
"Yes, the Evo 3D is my primary phone. The thing that inspired me to develop for it was that I used to do dev work on the Evo 4G, and I wanted to translate my ideas and efforts to help in the Evo 3D community as much as I did for the 4G."
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5. What made you choose to develop on the Android platform? Have you ever considered WebOS or iOS? What are your feelings about these platforms?
"I choose the Android scene because that was what was on my Evo 4G. I saw that phone when it first came out, and knew I'd wanted it. Once I had it, I knew I wanted to personalize it, and well, you know the rest.
As far as WebOS and IOS...It's been a few years since I've used a phone that had any windows-based software on it (I think it was when the Moto Q came out), so I'm not familiar with the specifics on that side of the fence. IOS? Well, as stated earlier, I love music, and in my personal opinion, IPods have that market covered, at least in my house."
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6. Are you surprised by the success of ViperROM?
"Not entirely. When you have as much dedication and passion put into something that I, and more specifically, Viper have put into this ROM, its bound to have fans support."
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7. What are some of your future plans with the EVO 3D or the Android platform in general?
"Just keeping up with whatever projects Team Viper (derek and I) feel needed to be put out into the community to fill any niche that needs attention. More specifically, fulfilling requests of our seemingly, very large ROM-followers."
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8. What kinds of things can we look forward to in future releases of ViperROM? Are there any surprises we will want to keep our eyes open for?
"Top Secret! No, not really...with us, we're more worried about the overall base of the ROM, which from feedback from the users, we've succeeded thus far. So currently, future plans consist of aesthetic changes/options. Applying user feedback requests, and just trying to make everyone experience their phone the way they should...their way."
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9. What the hell is this "3VO" I keep hearing about?!
"I personally, don't like the whole "3VO" thing, I let the phone and its capacities speak for itself. Nicknames only work throughout this community, and don't apply to real-world encounters, so to me its still an "Evo 3D"
Thanks for your time guys im sure people will enjoy reading this!
Thanks to anyone that has made suggestions, donations, given feedback, positive or negative, because those are the things that keep not only viperROM, but this entire, wonderful developing community, going strong.
~Vinchenzo Pisegna"
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great interview, i like reading about the devs that make my dreams come true
Thanks for the interview, PaulB007 and great work putting it together! I realized I talk too much after reading this
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Thanks for the interview, PaulB007 and great work putting it together! I realized I talk too much after reading this
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I realized afterwords that I forgot to add in the question about how you and your partner started working on the ROM together, you could elaborate on that here too if you'd like and I can add it to the OP.
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I realized afterwords that I forgot to add in the question about how you and your partner started working on the ROM together, you could elaborate on that here too if you'd like and I can add it to the OP.
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You can just throw in what I sent you if you'd like, that's fine with me.
I think It's a good idea..I enjoyed reading about the devs and found it interesting that two average guys were able to put together such a complete Rom without tons of experience..must be smart guys..good job op..hopefully some other devs will participate..and i know more will be coming around sooner or later..hint myn..
Great Stuff and great Idea. Beings that I just rooted my first Android Phone Ever this will help me get a look at some of the Roms out there and get some user feedback.
Viper Rom Sounds great!!
Updated OP with additional interview question in the -viperboy- interview section for those who missed it.
This is one of the best threads out. Very good idea. I enjoyed reading this. Thanks. Great thread.
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"" Shooter on Deck""
Yeah I too just rooted my first android phone, and hearing about all this makes me want to learn more
Thanks for the interview
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Awesome worked. Can't wait to see what u do for the other ROMs and devs
Nice idea man, damn a lot to read lol, but is good specially for new people to know their developers, you should contact zone23, Ava and myns since they been in the of evo as well and they work has been recognized as well
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Thanks paulb, either I'm like I am in real life...soft spoken, and only speak when something is worth saying, or it just appears that way based on the 8 part novel that Derek wrote when responding to his interview questions...trying to get on the best seller's list viper?
Thanks for the positive feedback fellas, I appreciate it. If I get enough comments and views I will continue to do this in the future.
Thanks for this thread and you should definitely keep do this
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Vinchenzop said:
Thanks paulb, either I'm like I am in real life...soft spoken, and only speak when something is worth saying, or it just appears that way based on the 8 part novel that Derek wrote when responding to his interview questions...trying to get on the best seller's list viper?
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LMAO, hey, I thought he was going to edit some of it so I gave him my whole autobiography lol
-viperboy- said:
LMAO, hey, I thought he was going to edit some of it so I gave him my whole autobiography lol
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Haha nah, I didn't want to edit it, I figured they'd appreciate seeing your personality and not mine editing yours.
Nice interview. Cool to get to know a little bit of what makes devs like Viperboy and Vinchenzop tick.
Wow, what a pleasant read. There should be more posts like this one.
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Paul, this is one of the greatest idea's here and really enjoyed reading this. I hope you continue to do it.
I was glad to see team Viper up first as there ROM is not only sweet but they seem like great people as well.
For anyone who hasn't tried their Rom yet, what are you waiting for! Also, there ROM thread is a joy to be a part of. It is like a family in there.
OK guys listen well...
Remember this post?
Apparently not... as you all seem to keep acting like little kids.
I saw yet another locked thread when I logged on today.
As it stands I don't care who is or is not lying, who is or is not a troll, and or who is or is not right. I don't, I simply don't...
If you have issues with someone, just ignore them or stay away from their posts, twitter feeds or websites as the case may be. It would be so much better for us all that way.
Now I don't mind a bit of off topic discussion and threads, but all I am seeing lately is bashing, arguing and trolling.
Let me lay a little something on you... Nobody is owed anything. No Dev owes you ROMs, root, or anything else. Vice versa, no user owes a Dev anything for their work. (paid market apps excluded) The rooting community is a hobby based entity. We work on respect and a mutual love of the platform. Donations are voluntary but a good idea. (It makes Devs feel appreciated)
Another thing... Drama... It kills the community. It runs off users and Devs alike. It creates a hostile environment that no one wants to deal with. When a device looses Devs it can be a death nail to the further development for that device, and when we don't even have a perm root exploit, loosing top Devs is the worst scenario imaginable.
It is getting so bad that even I am getting aggravated, and I could stay calm even with someone punching me in the face...
It is so bad I am giving serious consideration to jumping ship to the Nexus... An (in my opinion) inferior device to the Rezound, just to get away from most of the drama.
Come on people, get your f***ing acts together, and your heads out of your a**es.
Sorry if I come off as a jerk, but something needs to be said/done about all this.
Internet drama...dun dun dun
And how about no more Nexus threads too?
feralicious said:
And how about no more Nexus threads too?
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Eh... its a valid topic to compare phones... but it can get out of hand.
There's always going to be drama no matter what you do and what you say. As much as we would like everyone to grow the F up, that's just not going to happen. Internet forum trolls are here to stay, and frankly this thread is probably giving them what they want... More attention! Sure you can jump ship and go to the Nexus, but I'm pretty damn positive there will be drama there too. Best thing you can do is just ignore the ****, nothing you say or do is going to change what's happening on this forum.
Threads will be closed, another will be opened and get trolled, and probably closed again. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride till S-off happens. I also have alot of popcorn ready!
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There's always going to be drama no matter what you do and what you say. As much as we would like everyone to grow the F up, that's just not going to happen. Internet forum trolls are here to stay, and frankly this thread is probably giving them what they want... More attention! Sure you can jump ship and go to the Nexus, but I'm pretty damn positive there will be drama there too. Best thing you can do is just ignore the ****, nothing you say or do is going to change what's happening on this forum.
Threads will be closed, another will be opened and get trolled, and probably closed again. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride till S-off happens. I also have alot of popcorn ready!
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I just remember when it wasn't like this, and I miss those days.
Something irked me today... I am just getting sick of the he said she said crap, and other nonsense.
Marine6680 said:
Eh... its a valid topic to compare phones... but it can get out of hand.
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Agreed, but there's plenty of threads already, no need for more (and by now pretty much all the comparisons have been made and all one needs to do is read). Especially when they're just for the drama, and there have certainly been those here.
Marine6680 said:
I just remember when it wasn't like this, and I miss those days.
Something irked me today... I am just getting sick of the he said she said crap, and other nonsense.
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I understand how you feel man. It's just that some people think they're entitled to everything and they want it now. If they don't get it right away then they start having hissy fits. They think they're big and bad and on the top of the world sitting behind their keyboards. Just makes me wonder how they make it through daily life. Best thing really is just to ignore them, don't feed the trolls and eventually they will go away. Sure they'll continue to post and hope to bait a person into a response, but if everyone keeps at it they'll go elsewhere.
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I just remember when it wasn't like this, and I miss those days.
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+1
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I think once s-off is achieved things will calm down and the trolls will find somewhere else to bother people. That's how it was with the EVO 3D forum.
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I was thinking of doing the same thing as the OP, jumping ship to the Nexus. But then I remembered, wait a minute self, the Nexus sucks.
mustbepbs said:
I was thinking of doing the same thing as the OP, jumping ship to the Nexus. But then I remembered, wait a minute self, the Nexus sucks.
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Cosiggity
Sent from a Rezound, crappie camera included.
Hmmm
blestsol said:
Cosiggity
Sent from a Rezound, crappie camera included.
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You must really dislike the Rezounds camera to include it in your sig.
dccoh said:
You must really dislike the Rezounds camera to include it in your sig.
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LOL, yea that cracks me up everytime I see it (and hardly seems necessary).
The Rezound may not have the worlds best camera, but it's not half bad for a camera phone....
~John
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You must really dislike the Rezounds camera to include it in your sig.
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Hehehe, I had been thinking the same thing seeing his/her sig in other threads. Not to go OT, but the camera on this phone is soooo much better than my last htc phone. It's NOT a DSLR, but it certainly does a hella good job on image quality for a phone camera. I'm not conplaining..lol .
As for the trolls...bashers...dramateers.. and those well known HUTA's (Head Up Their A**es) ... It will never end. They love fuel, and all people like you and me do is refill the tank. Sure, there were much better times when everything was nicer and most of the posts were filled with posituve and/or constructive feedback. This is the same way all over the internet. But there is no sense in blowing up and attacking those who cause the trouble because it does absolutely no goid at all. I know... I've done this myself and it gets me nowhere. The best thing you can do is to always try and encourage positive feedback. Not everyone will like every commend, post or idea... Not everyone will agree on one thing. Best things to not be doing is bragging too much about something or attacking and/or making fun of something someonevow.s...eg.. like their phone.. or hating on something they said. Im no mod in here, but it's just straight out common sense. Some people just wantvto get a rise out of others and those others just can't resist torpedoing that trolls sorry arse with some smarta** comment to get them going even mote.... Admit it, many of us have done it. Some things will never change... And this, is one of them. Thats what mods are for. But everyone here can make their life a little easier by not contributing to the source... / .... Fuel .
Pro-tip: You don't need to read drama filled threads. You don't need to read any thread actually. You have the choice to come to the forum, check for any thread titles indicating root has been achieved, and if you don't see them then either go away, or read only threads that have titles which interest you. Plain and simple.
I don't know why everyone on the internet feels that every single god damn thread in every forum MUST adhere to their own views of how threads should progress. If people want to *****/troll/libel/lie/cry/etc., then who are you to tell them not to? If you don't like it, DON'T READ IT!!! Plus, it's a PHONE. How do you not have anything else in your life going on that makes forums on phones completely irritate you to the point where you feel the need to tell people to not express their opinion? I'm assuming you're a Marine, which means you have probably sacrificed your life at some point to give US citizens the right to ***** and moan to their hearts desire. But that doesn't give you the right to tell people how to act.
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Pro-tip: You don't need to read drama filled threads. You don't need to read any thread actually. You have the choice to come to the forum, check for any thread titles indicating root has been achieved, and if you don't see them then either go away, or read only threads that have titles which interest you. Plain and simple.
I don't know why everyone on the internet feels that every single god damn thread in every forum MUST adhere to their own views of how threads should progress. If people want to *****/troll/libel/lie/cry/etc., then who are you to tell them not to? If you don't like it, DON'T READ IT!!! Plus, it's a PHONE. How do you not have anything else in your life going on that makes forums on phones completely irritate you to the point where you feel the need to tell people to not express their opinion? I'm assuming you're a Marine, which means you have probably sacrificed your life at some point to give US citizens the right to ***** and moan to their hearts desire. But that doesn't give you the right to tell people how to act.
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I've shared this same idea before, about people just not reading it and keeping it moving. But I do know sometimes you just can't help it.
Sent from a Rezound, crappie camera included.
nm... was trying to add some levity but decided it's best to leave it alone.
THE-COPS said:
but the camera on this phone is soooo much better than my last htc phone. It's NOT a DSLR, but it certainly does a hella good job on image quality for a phone camera. I'm not conplaining..lol .
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LOL-I'm not complaining either.
I am a pro-photographer & own four Canon DSLR's which are awesome, but the Rezound camera certainly comes in handy when it's all I have with me.
To put in your sig that it's crappy just seems kinda stupid to me, it's better than 99% of the other camera phones......
~John
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LOL-I'm not complaining either.
I am a pro-photographer & own four Canon DSLR's which are awesome, but the Rezound camera certainly comes in handy when it's all I have with me.
To put in your sig that it's crappy just seems kinda stupid to me, it's better than 99% of the other camera phones......
~John
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Great opinion there, you think it's stupid but I've used the epic touch camera and im bitter after being spoiled. Kinda stupid to not see someone has a different experience. Sorry my signature seems to be getting under your skin with your rezound pride.
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