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Hi All!
Do we need a sub forum for Linux / Android development for the HT2 now? The old thread in the HD2 ROM development sub forum is starting to become very cluttered. The amount of topics discussed in that single thread could definitely benefit from being split in many separate threads. I guess the information will be easier to find and the amount of "stupid" questions reduced.
I understand the need for cleaning up some of the sub forums here on XDA (that is actually the reason for this post), but I don't think moving thread out of their context is a good idea. The question asked in my post relates heavily to the ongoing development for the HD2, and will not get the right attention in the Q&A sub forum. People interested in (or having an opinion about) splitting Linux and WinMo ROM development does not frequently browse the Q&A forum.
This post is not of that type where I'm interested in getting a single clear and cut answer. The reason for posting the question is to hear peoples opinion, and maybe getting a discussion going regarding the subject. If I'm not totally wrong, discussion is what the other sub forums are for, right? If we are not allowed to ask questions in other forums than the Q&A, how are we suppose to be able to discuss and debate then?
Could any MOD pleas consider moving the thread back to a forum where the question would have a fair chance of getting some qualified feedback?
YES
paalkr said:
Hi All!
Do we need a sub forum for Linux / Android development for the HT2 now? The old thread in the HD2 ROM development sub forum is starting to become very cluttered. The amount of topics discussed in that single thread could definitely benefit from being split in many separate threads. I guess the information will be easier to find and the amount of "stupid" questions reduced.
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100% with you , it will lessen the clutter and make the project look even more serious !!!
I don't think they're far enough along to really need a whole subforum for it. Maybe once we get a halfway usable version of android in a couple months, but for now I think the one thread is enough. I mean, how many different threads could be made for it right now? All we have is a bootable android with no drivers so far, so there's not many different things or subjects that could be made into threads right now.
zarathustrax said:
I don't think they're far enough along to really need a whole subforum for it. Maybe once we get a halfway usable version of android in a couple months, but for now I think the one thread is enough. I mean, how many different threads could be made for it right now? All we have is a bootable android with no drivers so far, so there's not many different things or subjects that could be made into threads right now.
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I agree. Once the wheels are in place and we have workable drivers, then creating a subforum would be ideal.
zarathustrax said:
I don't think they're far enough along to really need a whole subforum for it. Maybe once we get a halfway usable version of android in a couple months, but for now I think the one thread is enough. I mean, how many different threads could be made for it right now? All we have is a bootable android with no drivers so far, so there's not many different things or subjects that could be made into threads right now.
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Well, then we disagree
I think it should be locked so only the guys working on it can post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712586
Right now one thread is fine, but when things begin to get underway we will need another subforum for alternate OSes for the HD2.
Blacked Out said:
Right now one thread is fine, but when things begin to get underway we will need another subforum for alternate OSes for the HD2.
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NO WAY is it fine take a look in there now and look how many pages been posted asking the same crap in like 40 mins n00b retards
maybe something like this could work in the future:
---HTC HD2 Android
--------------------Information (locked forum)
--------------------Questions
--------------------APPS & tweaks
No use the wiki for the android project not more forums
answer:No, I'm fine with the single thread in HD2 ROM dev sub forum.
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i would be fine if it were a single thread, but it isn't, people are starting threads every few minutes 'why cant android run' 'how to install android' 'help, bluescreen' and on and on and on.
samsamuel said:
i would be fine if it were a single thread, but it isn't, people are starting threads every few minutes 'why cant android run' 'how to install android' 'help, bluescreen' and on and on and on.
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i agree 100% , of the 2898 posts there are probably 800 posts " i get a black screen "
Its all about whats hot now
6 months ago alot of posts were when is android going to be working on Hd2?
a month ago nearly all the posts were new cookie clocks
now there all blue screen, once its fixed and more stable releases are brought out the posts about this will drop down and the next new thing will be flooding the boards. its all about whats hot at the moment and in the future android wont be the hot'st thing
Hi to all.
What do you think about separate Android roms from WM ???
Is it possible to make a new thread in HD2 section sticked for always ?
Everyone could have this what he need .
Anyone think it's a goog idea ?
For example :
HD2 ANDROID ROM Development ?
Well the real problem right now is that there is no true Android ROM. Yes you can run Android but till it's flashed to the actual phone like you would with a WinMo ROM it's not a ROM.
then name it just "HD2 ANDROID Development"
it would be great if there is an own android section
i agree! all Android Dev together
Yeah set it up like they have in the rhodium forum.
enough threads already exist full of spammers...one more?
why not call it "spam here if u want for hd2 android development"
I think it would work out great having another spot for Android. Soon most people will be running Android on the HD2 anyway. Makes sense
+1
this ended up being a huge help for the development on the TouchPro2 (Rhodium). Someone got mods to create a new forum and then they took the liberty of re-organizing all the builds and kept up with the development and its still running nice and neat.
I think this would be a great idea for the HD2, it is about as far along as it can get now and is already attracting more attention. No need to clutter up the WinMo ROM development forums
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This made the HD1 forum better with a separate sub-forum for Android.
What I also think would be a good idea in ALL the forums really is a dedicated ROM release forum where ONLY roms can be posted and no general questons etc. That way you could cycle through the rom list without it been swamped with lots of other posts.
i agree, a subforum dedicated to this imortant issue (android on HD2) would be very useful for the general order of the forum according to me.
the android builds are beeing created and updated everyday (thanks to all the developers) but only two 3ds (in different subforums!) exist...
I found finding info about Andorid confusing so please separate in another forum.
+1 I love this idea.
i sign this good idea +1
+1 For a new subforum for HD2 Android development.
+1 its really necessary
ATHiEST said:
+1 Also
This made the HD1 forum better with a separate sub-forum for Android.
What I also think would be a good idea in ALL the forums really is a dedicated ROM release forum where ONLY roms can be posted and no general questons etc. That way you could cycle through the rom list without it been swamped with lots of other posts.
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+1 on both ideas !
+1 from me too never got into android for the tp2 but now i have got bored of win mo on hd2 i am enjoying playind with android
+1 here too. It would make life so much easier (and would get rid of people asking for it )
I dunno. There are only really a couple of threads that are relevant, and you can keep up to date with progress on the irc channel.
I seem to be keeping up ok by READING and SEARCHING.
+1 from me, it would make keeping track of things easier, assuming people read what's there instead of posting crap!
http://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_vendor_cyanogen/blob/froyo/CHANGELOG.mkdn
Is it testing? Or released?
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I hate you
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Is that really working or is it just "in development" still?
Hyao, gtfo, you are a spammer and/or moron.
Well it says RC so I dont think its fully stable yet
Why don't you do two things:
Add "question" to your thread's title so that forum viewers don't burst in excitement as they see a thread labeled CyanogenMod and think that a release candidate is ready for download.
Post questions in the Q&A section. If a CyanogenMod thread is going to be in the development section, it should be about development.
"Builds for each device are slowly hitting the mirrors. ..and before you ask, there's no Vibrant or apps2ext support."
http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/statuses/28961699673
well, this is what cyanogen tweeted..
"Builds for each device are slowly hitting the mirrors. ..and before you ask, there's no Vibrant or apps2ext support."
so yeah, no vibrant support
it is release now.......there is an instruction on flashing...
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_Samsung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)
gl3nng said:
it is release now.......there is an instruction on flashing...
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_Samsung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)
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not to sound rude, but... ummm... can you read?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.p...msung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)#Flashing_CyanogenMod
"NOTE: As of right now CyanogenMod is not available for the Samsung Vibrant. Please check the wiki or the Samsung Galaxy S sub-forum for updates."
It's not available for vibrant right now
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kuhan said:
not to sound rude, but... ummm... can you read?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.p...msung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)#Flashing_CyanogenMod
"NOTE: As of right now CyanogenMod is not available for the Samsung Vibrant. Please check the wiki or the Samsung Galaxy S sub-forum for updates."
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DooooooooooooooooD - I'm telling Mom on you for lying........... Maybe soon eh.
gl3nng said:
it is release now.......there is an instruction on flashing...
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_Samsung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)
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if you would have clicked on your own link you would realize that you are wrong...wow, I now see why devs leave xda, it's a shame really, us users need to be more aware. the only person (okay not the only) that didn't post his roms here was htc clay for the g1 but someone would post it here "with his permission" not just random post like this one...it's not hard ppl just do your homework before you post something...
Well I got CM7 on mine so booya. I'mma take a real blurry pic and pr0f it for all the cool android sites to be like YAAA new rumor GINGERBRAEDDDDDDDDDDD
Anderdroid said:
Well I got CM7 on mine so booya. I'mma take a real blurry pic and pr0f it for all the cool android sites to be like YAAA new rumor GINGERBRAEDDDDDDDDDDD
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Sweet...i got mine tooo
Anderdroid said:
Well I got CM7 on mine so booya. I'mma take a real blurry pic and pr0f it for all the cool android sites to be like YAAA new rumor GINGERBRAEDDDDDDDDDDD
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Daaaaaaaaaaannnnngggggg Anderdroid - will ya post a link? lol........
BTW - Love your AOSP 1.3 - Runs well with Manhattan. d/l'ng 1.4 now.
Thanks for your work!
kuhan said:
not to sound rude, but... ummm... can you read?
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.p...msung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)#Flashing_CyanogenMod
"NOTE: As of right now CyanogenMod is not available for the Samsung Vibrant. Please check the wiki or the Samsung Galaxy S sub-forum for updates."
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Before anything else....title of the forum is not Cynogenmod for vibrant....lol....
Actually it looks like there is a RC0 release foor the Vibrant but it is likely only available for the devs:
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/8302-the-state-of-the-galaxy/
It appears a reminder may be in order, about the purpose of the development fora on XDA.
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
Hi,
I would like to propose the creation of a central reference thread for each sub-forum within the X10mini/pro fora.
They would contain rules, how to search, basics, FAQs, links to rooting, tutorials/guides, mods, themes, apps,... with respect to the respective sub-forum.
To get an idea check e.g. Hero CDMA Android Dev.
This will hopefully
-help organizing the fora more clearly
-prevent the same questions coming up all over again
-provide a useful pool of up-to-date information for both new and experienced users
-reduce everyone's need to search for fundamental things
-negate the need to otherwise sticky so many threads that the fora are just becoming unclear and clogged
You would be responsible to propose threads kept for future reference.
Opinions pls.
Thx and Best, DK
i think we have a thread like the CDMA thread made by dettofatto. the only thing is that we have multiple threads on same topic which could be deleted
just checked them briefly and yes, very good and helpful, not stickied though
so referencing them would be a must but imo wouldn't contradict my proposal about the central thread...
still, that's just me and its about you...will therefore patiently wait for further comments on this
Ed. I can add a poll if you think that's more helpful/faster
Sounds good.. and while we are at it.. get people to stick to the threads.. put all Themes in the Themes and Apps thread (not in Development) keep DEV stuff in the Dev Thread etc.. perhaps add a Newbie Thread where newbs can ask for help with issues so they don't fill the other threads...
Why are there Themes in the Dev section?
But yes a reorg is needed.
Kiwi
My concern is create two separate forums for x10 mini and x10 mini pro
kiwiBratwurst said:
Sounds good.. and while we are at it.. get people to stick to the threads.. put all Themes in the Themes and Apps thread (not in Development) keep DEV stuff in the Dev Thread etc.. perhaps add a Newbie Thread where newbs can ask for help with issues so they don't fill the other threads...
Why are there Themes in the Dev section?
But yes a reorg is needed.
Kiwi
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unfortunately happens regularly, excuses are manyfold and it would be naive to think this project will prevent it
still should be well worth the effort
cleanup and heavy thread shifting will be done anyway, already started but due to time restriction only on the dev fora...but will be continued
Naren Raj said:
My concern is create two separate forums for x10 mini and x10 mini pro
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I assume you mean for all subfora and not only for dev?
are accessories, t&a and so on so different that one cannot be used for/is incompatible to the other device?
then I would talk to admin, so pls enlighten me
I think that is fine and useful to put all important sw,updates and guides in same thread and link discussions only to this thread, of course then each sw has own discussions for help and experiences.
I would like a forum reorg
i also think that there are too many simillar threads, some that are just questions and are very missleading sometimes, also in the wrong place, maybe a structure like
*general
--tutorials/findings/configs/etc
--questions
*developement
--e10i/u20i
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
--e10i specific
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
--u20i specific
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
*themes
--method tutorials
--themes postings
--questions
*requests
or something like that because a reorganization is in need
also i think that there should be a section for both mini and pro because they may be different in hardware, but many methods, apps and ideas frome one work on the other and i feel that sometimes we miss out on developement from one or the other
hi
thx all for the contribution, I waited some time hoping additional ones might be posted, but maybe all are happy with the current suggestions...or waiting for my response...
lets comment:
all devices get as default the layout
xx General
xx Development
xx Accessories
xx Themes & Apps
device specific we have the known two dev fora, one for e10i and one for u20i and I don't think I can convince admin to create another one for shared development
not that I don't see the potential advantage, but I assume "misuse" would dominate so I'm fine as it is
still I also considered it wise to provide a place to collect development results of any kind usable on both devices
so alternately you have to specify dual usage in the thread title and we can also create an additional thread with references on that
reaching certain criteria a separate Q&A can be added, which I personally like very much and will address to admin immediately when a fore mentioned criteria are fulfilled
so as mentioned we are bound to the general forum layout, but what we might achieve could be like this:
*general
---->tutorials/findings/configuration/requests/FAQs/troubleshooting/references/how to/etc
---->e.g. separate thread like "newbies questions here"
---->OT chat thread if you like
*accessories
---->all accessories (batteries, cases, screen protection,...)
*development
--e10i specific
---->development (non app, non theme)/findings/breakthroughs/tutorials/roms/guides/modifications
---->reference thread for everything proven working/usable on both devices
--u20i specific
---->development (non app, non theme)/findings/breakthroughs/tutorials/roms/guides/modifications
*themes and apps
---->method tutorials/themes postings/applications posting/screen shots/miscellaneous (like splash screens,...)
*questions&answers (hopefully soon)
---->for all the rest (when available)
not stating this is finalized but it should give a good idea
comments pls
Cheers, DK
Reorganize! Hellyah!
Reorganize! Hellyah!
I intend to start this weekend, because I won't find the time before, but it's scheduled...
sounds really good!
maybe creating at the theme section a difference for mini and pro, or does the most of them on both models?
I would like to see a Q&A section. It would be nothing but beneficial as a place for people to ask questions without cluttering the general thread.
option94 said:
I would like to see a Q&A section. It would be nothing but beneficial as a place for people to ask questions without cluttering the general thread.
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I already requested it, it will be available as soon as site admin finds the time
I figured that, just throwing my .02 cents out there.
forum is good!but sometimes slows...
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forum is good!but sometimes slows...
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care to elaborate on that?
it is nice...
we will have a new org?
PTGamer said:
we will have a new org?
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there already is as proposed in #1
pls explain in detail what you mean
Any news if this game is coming for andriod ?
???
It seems no one have an Idea about this game?
Instead of spamming an entirely irrelevant forum with your question, ask the developer.
Now this simple question is spaming the forum ? The devs don't read the posts? And I don't think that your the one that tells me if I am spamming or not , you could simply tell me that I won't find the answer here. I dont know why some people have such an attitude its a Q & A forum ?? Duh
You really want to go down that route?
This is indeed a Q&A forum. However, it is one for the I9100. One of many Android devices.
You asked a question about an iDevice developer. Judging by your last post you also seem to think iDevice developers who don't appear to even develop for Android not only read Android forums, but specifically the Q&A forum for the I9100. In addition to reading it, they're going to announce the availability of upcoming Android ports here too.
Yeah, that's likely.