i have the photon , but i really dont like the screen quality (sharpness and color wise)compared to my old epic. not trying to troll here, just to ask if anyone think it can be fixed with a software update or is it a hardware issue?
The general consensus is that's just how the phone is. However some lucky people don't seem to notice screens quality (or lack thereof).
Welcome to the PenTile display.
Just the way it is. For best results, try to hold the phone far away.
I think it's actually a pretty cool technology.
irev210 said:
Welcome to the PenTile display.
Just the way it is. For best results, try to hold the phone far away.
I think it's actually a pretty cool technology.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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i have the photon , but i really dont like the screen quality (sharpness and color wise)compared to my old epic. not trying to troll here, just to ask if anyone think it can be fixed with a software update or is it a hardware issue?
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Coming from the Epic, who's Super AMOLED screen also uses a pentile subpixel arrangement also mind you, you shouldn't really be noticing a sharpness difference between them. But yes, any and literally all LCDs do look duller and more muted than the Super AMOLED. It's just a nature of the technology.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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Well, I can say that, due to it's white subpixels, it is a brighter display that is much more viewable in sunlight. It is also much better on toast.
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I watch videos all the time on my phone and I don't like it. It is too grainy, the color is off, too much sharpness, black is too dark and any hint of light in the scene and its too bright. HD quality videos look pretty good but lower resolution videos just look bad.
I see the problem in dark scenes where there is very little light you can't differentiate any objects in the dark area. Its all a blur. In the same scene the face has little light on it but it will be over satuated. Its like someone is shining a flashlight in his face. If any of you watch Showtime's Dexter you will see what I mean as the show has a lot of scenes in dark warehouses.
Yes I think they can make it better with software. They can turn down the sharpness. They can allow a little light to be on during dark scene rather then let it be all black (total absence of light). They can try different color temperature because right now all the human skin looks too red to me. They can dial down the intensity of white on lighted scenes.
Just got home with my Photon, which I bought primarily because it's a world phone and specs looked pretty good. Gotta agree with OP, the display is piss poor. Just might return it for something else. Kinda mad I turned in my EVO. Overall I played $99. We'll see...sigh.
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Just got home with my Photon, which I bought primarily because it's a world phone and specs looked pretty good. Gotta agree with OP, the display is piss poor. Just might return it for something else. Kinda mad I turned in my EVO. Overall I played $99. We'll see...sigh.
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First thing you need to do is turn the brightness all the way down and turn off the auto brightness too. The screen will look much better.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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Jump over here and do some reading:
http://pentileblog.com/
One thing that is kind of cool, is that the CEO actually replied to (and blogged about) an AndroidForums thread discussing the P4G screen. Spend some time reading that thread for even greater detail about the merits of the Pentile screen.
Granted, it's the CEO of Pentile, so obviously they have a bit of a bias... but she also offers fascinating technical insight behind the technology as well.
I'm very happy with the screen myself, very easy to read in sunlight especially but very bright in general (which i like). The colors were "different" compared to the evo and evo 3d I had prior but after a few hours, I started noticing more color and details in apps that I hadn't ever seen before. I feel it looks much better overall vs the evo and evo 3d. Yes, I do see the checkerboard when the display is off if I look at the right angle but I dont notice it when the screen is on.
This phone has so many pluses, and the screen is one of them to me.
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I'm very happy with the screen myself, very easy to read in sunlight especially but very bright in general (which i like). The colors were "different" compared to the evo and evo 3d I had prior but after a few hours, I started noticing more color and details in apps that I hadn't ever seen before. I feel it looks much better overall vs the evo and evo 3d. Yes, I do see the checkerboard when the display is off if I look at the right angle but I dont notice it when the screen is on.
This phone has so many pluses, and the screen is one of them to me.
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You are seriously making me think that something is wrong with my phone, man. Cuz if what I'm seeing on mine is consistent throughout, there's no way a person can think it looks good. Some of the pictures look like they are in 8-bit. I'm really disappointed.
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You are seriously making me think that something is wrong with my phone, man. Cuz if what I'm seeing on mine is consistent throughout, there's no way a person can think it looks good. Some of the pictures look like they are in 8-bit. I'm really disappointed.
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Yeah, i'd maybe compare it to the store display if possible because I think mine looks excellent, and the display in my local stores looks really good too. I usually keep my display cranked up pretty high, and it has much better blacks and white levels then i ever had on my evo or evo 3d.
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Yeah, i'd maybe compare it to the store display if possible because I think mine looks excellent, and the display in my local stores looks really good too. I usually keep my display cranked up pretty high, and it has much better blacks and white levels then i ever had on my evo or evo 3d.
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I played some Netflix movies and they looked really bad to a point where I'm like Motorola couldn't have released a multi-media phone with such piss poor video and picture quality. I'm taking back the phone tomorrow to switch it out.
Here's another question. I put in my sdcard from my EVO and none of the pictures fill the screen. I noticed the same thing on the carousel view in the FB integration. The pictures don't fill the screen. Any ideas?
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Here's another question. I put in my sdcard from my EVO and none of the pictures fill the screen. I noticed the same thing on the carousel view in the FB integration. The pictures don't fill the screen. Any ideas?
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How does it look if you use a different Gallery app like QuickPic?
I, for one like the screen. There is no "burn in" like the galaxy s phones and the Nexus S. I can see the pixel separation, but it doesn't bother me a bit. Maybe you guys need to quit making out with your screens.
I'm not looking for fantastic. I'm coming from the EVO which, even though washed out compared to a Super Amoled, looked fine to me. The problem appears that in areas of high contrast or in shadows, the blacks are too black so picture actually looks blotchy. Believe me when I tell you I'm not the overly picky type. But image quality is definitely a step down compared to my Evo.
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Jump over here and do some reading:
http://pentileblog.com/
Granted, it's the CEO of Pentile, so obviously they have a bit of a bias... but she also offers fascinating technical insight behind the technology as well.
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Nice explanation of PenTile. I also have no issues with the display and think it is quite good in comparison to my E4G. I wonder if the different perceptions are due to astigmatism. Last year I got lens implants that corrected most of my astigmatism (some remaining, but not much). Maybe people with a lot of uncorrected astigmatism are more sensitive to the display? Maybe it's the opposite and astigmatism makes the effect harder to see and I have just enough astigmatism left to make it not noticeable?
I thought the display was fine, and while I could see the screen door effect, only really noticed it while looking for it.
Then I installed a game where blue was a predominant color used in the background, Wisp Lite, currently featured on the Android Market. Anyone would immediately notice the screen door effect on the background, it was so obvious.
Mulling if this matters enough for me to consider returning it.
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Does anyone eleses yellows and Greens look off esp the yellows they seem to be very dull and off and almost orange
I agree, the market icon look Olive-colored on Atrix 4G
A lot of you were looking at the oversaturated SAMOLED screens for a long time... this is way more natural.
No qhd is just not as good as super amloed its facts.
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A lot of you were looking at the oversaturated SAMOLED screens for a long time... this is way more natural.
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But the color does not feel as good as my laptop screen...
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No qhd is just not as good as super amloed its facts.
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Qhd is not a screen technology, its a resolution.
And the problem with the colors isn't that they're dull or unsaturated compared to a super amoled., that's to be expexted. The problem is that the colors are just wrong compared to just about any screen you want to compare it too, load up some websites on the phone and a well calibrated desktop monitor and you'll easily see the difference.
Compared to my captivate im really happy. That thing made skin tones green or orange.
It has to be reiterated. The oled display technology OVERsaturates the colors. As in, the colors are overly vibrant. The atrix will more accurately display colors.
Ok, saying this again. We (at least I) am not saying this in comparison to a samoled screen, the colors on a regular LCD will obviously never look like that, the colors on the amoled are completely wrong. However that doesn't mean the atrix has them right, just look at the screen compared to a well calibrated computer monitor.
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It has to be reiterated. The oled display technology OVERsaturates the colors. As in, the colors are overly vibrant. The atrix will more accurately display colors.
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The problem is that the LCD on Atrix 4G is not accurate compare to other LCD screens...
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The problem is that the LCD on Atrix 4G is not accurate compare to other LCD screens...
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Bumping this to get some attention on this issue.
I'm considering returning my Atrix because of how bad yellows and blues look, compared to OTHER LCDs, not compared to Super AMOLED screens.
I lined up my Captivate, Atrix, iPod Touch 4, and my wife's HTC Evo Shift and fired up Words with Friends on all of them. While it's clear that the Captivate is oversaturated, if you take that out of the equation, the Atrix's colors just look bad compared to the other two LCDs. The yellow tiles look "dirty" like they have a brown or greenish tint to them. The light blues in the tabs on the home screen of Words with Friends look like they have a greenish tint as well.
I've seen a lot of people say that they think it's one of the greatest displays ever, up there on par with the iPhone 4. If that's true, I really hope mine and other people seeing this just have defective models that can be exchanged.
I'm going into my AT&T store sometime tonight or tomorrow in hopes of putting two or more Atrices side by side to compare.
If anyone else seeing this problem could do the same, it would be very helpful. Especially as it seems likely that a random one pulled out in store could have the same defect.
Scott, I have my atrix boxed up ready to go back for the same issues. I went to the at&t store and looked at their 3 demo units, all of them looked the same.
If you go to a verizon store and play with a motorola droid x you'll see that its screen looks the same as well, it's just whatever panel maker motorola is using. People that are saying "It's the greatest screen evar, just as good as the iphone 4" are suffering new gadget love and can't see the flaws. It's not the worst screen ever but it is a definite step down from other manufacturers screens.
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Scott, I have my atrix boxed up ready to go back for the same issues. I went to the at&t store and looked at their 3 demo units, all of them looked the same.
The screens also look just like the motorola droid x's screen, so it's just whatever panel maker motorola is using. People that are saying "It's the greatest screen evar, just as good as the iphone 4" are suffering new gadget love and can't see the flaws. It's not the worst screen ever but it is a definite step down from other manufacturers screens.
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Thanks for the reply, mjgunn, as sad as it makes me
Just compared it to my iPhone 4 - yellow is way way way off. Can they even fix that? iPhone 4 seems to have the best screen by a long shot...
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Just compared it to my iPhone 4 - yellow is way way way off. Can they even fix that? iPhone 4 seems to have the best screen by a long shot...
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I would have to agree, the iphone4 has a pretty good display. It is a bit oversaturated, but does look pleasing to the eye. The iphone is also much smoother when using the pinch to zoom feature. With the Atrix having a dual core processor, I thought it would at least be on par with the iphone, but for some reason it's definitely not as smooth.
Oh well... just my 2 cents.
So I went in to an AT&T store last night and compared my Atrix with their demo unit.
The colors seem a little bit better, but interestingly, the demo unit's display didn't seem as bright as my Atrix, and it may have had slightly higher contrast.
I got one of the associates to look at it and agree that mine had a slight color cast to it. They said they would do a replacement for me if I came back with my paperwork from my online order, so I said I would do that today or Saturday.
I went straight home and compared my Atrix again to my wife's HTC Evo Shift. In doing that, I still felt like the color on her screen was significantly better than on mine, and in seemed better than I remembered the store's demo unit, as well.
So, I think I need to get my phone and her phone both in there, side by side with the demo unit, and see if I could live with the screen if it was exactly the same as the demo unit. I think probably yes, given the other major advantages of this phone (qHD resolution, Tegra 2, 1GB RAM), but as a graphic designer, bad colors are hard for me to take. And colors that are off in the way the Atrix's screen is off are a graver sin to me than oversaturating a la Super AMOLED.
Bottom line, I'm still on the fence. Has anyone else done any other tests?
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I would have to agree, the iphone4 has a pretty good display. It is a bit oversaturated, but does look pleasing to the eye.
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Wait, so now the iPhone's IPS LCD is oversaturated too? Let's face it: Atrix is weak on colors -thanks to the RGBW PenTile display, where they tried to prolong its life by replacing some Blue tiles with White tiles -which makes colors pale.
It does look great with flesh tones though. Ill give it that.
People who complain about wrong colors have been looking at way oversaturated screens... as a semi advanced photographer, I can agree that the atrix screen is very very good color wise ...
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People who complain about wrong colors have been looking at way oversaturated screens... as a semi advanced photographer, I can agree that the atrix screen is very very good color wise ...
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Or they got an Atrix with a defective display, like me. Ony my Atrix, there's no getting around the fact that yellows look dirty and brown, and that certain shades of blue look greenish.
I was playing around with this phone at a Verizon store today and noticed weird fuzziness on text & around icons. I thought there was something wrong with my eyes at first, but then realized none of the other phones in the store were doing it. I then went to another RAZR that was on display and it was the same way also. I could see it holding the phone roughly 2ft away... granted, if I extended my arm out I couldn't tell anymore.
wow though.. when. saw all the reviews of people comlaining about the screen I didn't realize how bad it actually is. granted, I don't wear glasses & have 20/20 vision so I'm not sure if everyone is affected. you'd think they would at least have some sort of blur filter to mask it.
What are you talking about.... I compare my razr with high brightness setting with my gf iPhone 4s, beat the retina display
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No problems with my display, looks great all day all night. Came from atrix though, so maybe thats the deal.
I cant see any Pentile effects until its less than 1 foot 3in away. Past that I dont see it anymore. My viewing distances is between 1ft 3in and 1ft 9 in. If you can see it at 2 feet away....you have very good, exceptional eye sight.
And when I say I can see it...thats the closest distance I can start seeing it if I focus on the icon edges and texts. And it seems to be certain color texts on certain color backgrounds. Cuz on my home screens I can see the effect real good. I tried a website and I cant see it at all.
Actually....I must have short arms too cuz at 2 feet away thats like almost at the extreme length of my arms. EDIT...Ok...sitting down I use the phone about at that distance...lol. But stretched out in front of me its uncomfortable.
As far as it being bad, real bad, extremely bad...lol. Everybody's entitled to their opinion.
Hey....at extreme closeness for me, yea its bad around icons and texts. But thats at extreme closeness....for me. To me...some ppl make it out like the entire screen looks like a screen door. Thats not the case. I also think everyone doesnt have the same viewing distances to see the effects. And I have pretty decent eye sight. So you will see some ppl that dont see it at all, period. And some that see it like you do.
So how do ppl tolerate it? The ppl that dont, cant see it....there is nothing to tolerate. Ppl that can see it under specific conditions...like me...those specific conditions are not normal use for me. Like viewing angles of most LCD screens on phones. They wash out, fade bad. I always look at my phone screen straight on. So Amoled viewing angles dont really matter unless you are trying to show ppl things on your phone. Noprmally I would want them to see the phone screen straight on anyway. Its all about specific conditions...
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I cant see any Pentile effects until its less than 1 foot 3in away. Past that I dont see it anymore. My viewing distances is between 1ft 3in and 1ft 9 in. If you can see it at 2 feet away....you have very good, exceptional eye sight.
And when I say I can see it...thats the closest distance I can start seeing it if I focus on the icon edges and texts. And it seems to be certain color texts on certain color backgrounds. Cuz on my home screens I can see the effect real good. I tried a website and I cant see it at all.
Actually....I must have short arms too cuz at 2 feet away thats like almost at the extreme length of my arms. EDIT...Ok...sitting down I use the phone about at that distance...lol. But stretched out in front of me its uncomfortable.
As far as it being bad, real bad, extremely bad...lol. Everybody's entitled to their opinion.
Hey....at extreme closeness for me, yea its bad around icons and texts. But thats at extreme closeness....for me. To me...some ppl make it out like the entire screen looks like a screen door. Thats not the case. I also think everyone doesnt have the same viewing distances to see the effects. And I have pretty decent eye sight. So you will see some ppl that dont see it at all, period. And some that see it like you do.
So how do ppl tolerate it? The ppl that dont, cant see it....there is nothing to tolerate. Ppl that can see it under specific conditions...like me...those specific conditions are not normal use for me. Like viewing angles of most LCD screens on phones. They wash out, fade bad. I always look at my phone screen straight on. So Amoled viewing angles dont really matter unless you are trying to show ppl things on your phone. Noprmally I would want them to see the phone screen straight on anyway. Its all about specific conditions...
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yeah... if your eyes don't notice it its not a problem. similiar thing happened when I traded in a couple of Sony PSP 2001 models so I could grab the new 3001 model. I could see big time intrrlacing/scanline effects all over the screen(mainly when there was a lot of motion). I took it back complaining and the guy at the counter said he couldn't see it.... yet I found a bunch of forums/reviews of people specifying that they had the same experiences as me.
oh, and at 2ft away I could just barely notice it... but at about 1ft away it really bothered me and kept feeling like there was something wrong with my eyes. damn though, the phone does look & feel really cool.
btw, my eyes may be good, but my hearing is crap from years of partying & dj'ing. everytime someone talks to me I'm all "pardon?"...
Why do people that don't own the phone, or are not considering it, feel compelled to start a whole thread to complain about it?
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I don't notice any problems. The text looks good to me.
Gave me a headache the first day I used it. Seem to have adapted to it now. Increasing the size of text in commonly used apps helped a lot.
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I have both the Rezound and Razr.. Razr is good, better than Bionic.. but after the Rezound, everything else is just ok now.
Is this the first pentile you have seen, or a loaded thread?
Most reviews actually like the display in relation to the actual bad reviews of the display. I agree there are better displays like the Rezound, but the Razr display is not as bad as implied. Does look funky next to the Rezound though.
yea, went to verizon to compare rezound and razr sceens last week. first went to razr and it looked really good. then to rezound with the wavy dots live wallpaper and was amazed. walked back to razr and instantly saw all the pentile dots everywhere. it all changes with perspective.
maybe its the crack you were smoking... this screen is fantastic! is it perfect? nope, but which one is?
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I was playing around with this phone at a Verizon store today and noticed weird fuzziness on text & around icons. I thought there was something wrong with my eyes at first, but then realized none of the other phones in the store were doing it. I then went to another RAZR that was on display and it was the same way also. I could see it holding the phone roughly 2ft away... granted, if I extended my arm out I couldn't tell anymore.
wow though.. when. saw all the reviews of people comlaining about the screen I didn't realize how bad it actually is. granted, I don't wear glasses & have 20/20 vision so I'm not sure if everyone is affected. you'd think they would at least have some sort of blur filter to mask it.
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I saw no problems with the screen, and actually found it very crisp... IDK what u saw hoenstly, maybe its 20/180 vision u have?
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I saw no problems with the screen, and actually found it very crisp... IDK what u saw hoenstly, maybe its 20/180 vision u have?
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May be he just saw lock screen. Yes you can saw pixels clearly on blur lock screen. But after unlock it is fine.
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Razr's screen is great once your eyes adapt to it which usually takes a day. Rezounds screen might be better but i am not sure if it can produce colors like razrs. Plus dont forget that rezound is 2x thicker than razr.
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maybe its the crack you were smoking... this screen is fantastic! is it perfect? nope, but which one is?
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iPhone 4... Sorry but its true. Getting my razr today and I'm praying I can tolerate the display. I've been trying to get rid of my iPhone for a while now, because it's driving me insane. (great hardware, no awesome hardware, but iOS? Lol what a crappy OS).
But every android I had so far just sucked. S2? Ugly as hell. sensation? Are you serious with that display?
And now the razr. I really hope third ones the charm. Was thinking about galax nexus but no sd card is a no go. Why is it so hard to make a good phone? Somewhere around a 4" screen, notification led, sd card slot and a display that doesn't give you a headache when you're reading an article for 20 minutes.
Would get the rezound, but for some reason I do not understand it's not coming to Europe...
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I was playing around with this phone at a Verizon store today and noticed weird fuzziness on text & around icons. I thought there was something wrong with my eyes at first, but then realized none of the other phones in the store were doing it. I then went to another RAZR that was on display and it was the same way also. I could see it holding the phone roughly 2ft away... granted, if I extended my arm out I couldn't tell anymore.
wow though.. when. saw all the reviews of people comlaining about the screen I didn't realize how bad it actually is. granted, I don't wear glasses & have 20/20 vision so I'm not sure if everyone is affected. you'd think they would at least have some sort of blur filter to mask it.
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I went to one Verizon Store and the Screen looked Great!!! I went to another Verizon Store and it did not look as good as the other. What I am saying to you is that in every store the screens on the RazR can change.
If you compare the RAZR display to the SGS2 one, the only problem is that RAZR is PenTile Matrix while SGS2 is RGB.
RGB looks really better (only for resolution), while the RAZR's PenTile (not an OLD PenTile, it's a new one, the pixels are really small compared to the oldies...like ATRIX as well) is better: better vibrance, better colors, better resolution.
It's bad at the beginning, but if you use it for a couple of days, you'll see it isn't bad!
Ask yourself why most of these complainers who try to throw some **** to RAZR's fantastic display, dont even mention that their phones' poor signal reception, call quality and low speaker volume, cheap build quality, erratic battery issues in their own forums ?
Just my 2cents.
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May be he just saw lock screen. Yes you can saw pixels clearly on blur lock screen. But after unlock it is fine.
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And I really think that the lock screen is done by design. If you look closely at the area with no letters or numbers it looks like mesh. Look at the area while you are unlocking thats not part of the lock screen, around the lock icon, and it looks clear. Like look at the notification shade when its pulled down. You can see thru it and it looks like mesh. I think its by design.
Like on the Bionic's lock screen and car dock screen.
Hey guys ! I own a HTC EVO 3D right now, but I'm going to switch it for an ATRIX 4G tomorrow.
I want to ask you... How do you feel about the ATRIX's screen? I know it's a TFT LCD with the RGBW matrix, which is what makes my brain twist and say "OH SH*T NO". What's your say on that?
Also... voice quality... Is it loud & clear enough? I mean, compared to other phones you might have owned...
And the camera?
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And... most of all... the chipset?! How is it going for you?! I hear it is actually less performant & more power-hungry than Qualcomm's dual core, but I don't really know...
awh its a great phone......but stock gb rom sucks. u wud love it if you are a social networking fan!! for me im pretty happy with my cm flavored atrix. the chip is good, camera is okay.....and about sound i dont give huge scores! display hmmm u shud love it!!
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awh its a great phone......but stock gb rom sucks. u wud love it if you are a social networking fan!! for me im pretty happy with my cm flavored atrix. the chip is good, camera is okay.....and about sound i dont give huge scores! display hmmm u shud love it!!
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This whole weekend I've been going back and forth, deciding to trade it for an ATRIX, then changing my mind and returning to HTC... Now I was sure I was gonna make the switch, but here I go again, returning to HTC.
The ATRIX's screen is TFT, as opposed to HTC's S-LCD, and that wouldn't be THAT MUCH of a problem if it didn't had the RGBW matrix... I read a lot on the phone, and that would just ruin my experience, probably making me feel the urge to blend the phone or something.
I think I'll stick to HTC... If only Motorola were to use standard RGB...
good luck
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I feel somewhat bad for all this (the whole back and forth thing). No phone has everything you need... at least not without some drawbacks, GOD DAMN IT
Sense is hard to leave, especially with sense 4 out now.
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I feel somewhat bad for all this (the whole back and forth thing). No phone has everything you need... at least not without some drawbacks, GOD DAMN IT
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as you are concerned about the screen, maybe i can help a little. first off, i have really great eyesight, pentile matrix displays make me want to hurt people, but its not all bad. the qHD resolution makes the subpixles much harder to see, i personally can only see them when its about a foot or closer to my face, some colors i can see it farther away, such as green, i can see some distortion about a foot and a half away form my face. but its very hard to see, its a HUGE difference form say, a captivates pentile screen.
next thing to keep in mind is the colors. yellow is a big complaint, i dont notice it to much but the colors are far from perfect, i feel the screen is a hair cold by default, and there are ways to reduce the blue if you are rooted, i did a guide on it a while ago.
last thing is gradients, they look bad, that is the only thing i really am disappointed with, you can see artifacting as the colors shift, although i dont know if im crazy but it seems better then before.
keep in mind that all of these things you will get use to with a little time, i got use to them quickly and i am a stickler for screen quality. one of the goods of the screen though is the battery life, the type of display saves a ton of juice thus making one of the longest lasting phones of its time. now that, I love.
im not trying to bash my own phone here, i love it, and always will, its an amazing device and was everything i wanted when i got it. the screen is something i can live with, and the the battery life plus the higher resolution makes up for it in my book.
let me know if there is anything else you want to know, hope i was a little helpful.
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as you are concerned about the screen, maybe i can help a little. first off, i have really great eyesight, pentile matrix displays make me want to hurt people, but its not all bad. the qHD resolution makes the subpixles much harder to see, i personally can only see them when its about a foot or closer to my face, some colors i can see it farther away, such as green, i can see some distortion about a foot and a half away form my face. but its very hard to see, its a HUGE difference form say, a captivates pentile screen.
next thing to keep in mind is the colors. yellow is a big complaint, i dont notice it to much but the colors are far from perfect, i feel the screen is a hair cold by default, and there are ways to reduce the blue if you are rooted, i did a guide on it a while ago.
last thing is gradients, they look bad, that is the only thing i really am disappointed with, you can see artifacting as the colors shift, although i dont know if im crazy but it seems better then before.
keep in mind that all of these things you will get use to with a little time, i got use to them quickly and i am a stickler for screen quality. one of the goods of the screen though is the battery life, the type of display saves a ton of juice thus making one of the longest lasting phones of its time. now that, I love.
im not trying to bash my own phone here, i love it, and always will, its an amazing device and was everything i wanted when i got it. the screen is something i can live with, and the the battery life plus the higher resolution makes up for it in my book.
let me know if there is anything else you want to know, hope i was a little helpful.
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I do a lot of reading on my phone, and having that screen would kill me... Plus the gradients thing... I noticed it in a 480p YouTube video, ffs, lol.
The battery is all nice, the chipset seems good enough, but even though the screen is all bright in the sun, its downs are making me wanna throw rocks at it, lol.
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You know what, I think I'm gonna give the ATRIX a try. I'm going in a couple of hours to see that guy to make the trade.
Got the phone. Tinkered with it already. Love it so far! This PenTile isn't really awful.
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Got the phone. Tinkered with it already. Love it so far! This PenTile isn't really awful.
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Which phone do you like better now since you got the Atrix? Just curious.
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Which phone do you like better now since you got the Atrix? Just curious.
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It's hard for me to answer this.
I loved the EVO 3D. The back design made it attractive, and the overall body... it was nice, alright. Also, the big screen was neat.
There were a few things that made me change the phone. The screen was somewhat yellowish (had to use Filter Your Screen to add a blue alpha so it would not be so yellowish on white menus and so brownish on gray menus - but that still didn't fix it 100%). The earpiece was creaky, and so was the loudspeaker on maximum volume...
I wanted the ATRIX for it has a bigger battery, a decent chipset, and a more robust design. I mean... the body is more compact - feels better in the hand, more secure, I'd say. Besides, on this phone I no longer feel the urge to smash it on the wall for yellow whites or creaky voices in-calls.
Also, the screen is just AMAZING. Even though it's a TFT, and it's got PenTile, I find it really nice. The whites are PURE WHITE. The blacks are BLACK!!! Also, if you know that ICS wallpaper... it really looks better on the ATRIX. The colors were somewhat washed on the EVO 3D - proof that S-LCD still needed work. To be honest, I think this TFT screen can be compared to the Samsung Galaxy S's SUPER AMOLED.
Even if I turn down the screen's brightness to the minimum, the whites still blind me during night time, especially if I hold the phone somewhat close to my face. On full brightness, in the sunlight, it ROCKS !!!
The only thing I wished for is some aluminium on the body. It's all plasticky... good thing I have an iCase Pro (MOMAX) case, otherwise... I wouldn't really like it .
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It's hard for me to answer this.
I loved the EVO 3D. The back design made it attractive, and the overall body... it was nice, alright. Also, the big screen was neat.
There were a few things that made me change the phone. The screen was somewhat yellowish (had to use Filter Your Screen to add a blue alpha so it would not be so yellowish on white menus and so brownish on gray menus - but that still didn't fix it 100%). The earpiece was creaky, and so was the loudspeaker on maximum volume...
I wanted the ATRIX for it has a bigger battery, a decent chipset, and a more robust design. I mean... the body is more compact - feels better in the hand, more secure, I'd say. Besides, on this phone I no longer feel the urge to smash it on the wall for yellow whites or creaky voices in-calls.
Also, the screen is just AMAZING. Even though it's a TFT, and it's got PenTile, I find it really nice. The whites are PURE WHITE. The blacks are BLACK!!! Also, if you know that ICS wallpaper... it really looks better on the ATRIX. The colors were somewhat washed on the EVO 3D - proof that S-LCD still needed work. To be honest, I think this TFT screen can be compared to the Samsung Galaxy S's SUPER AMOLED.
Even if I turn down the screen's brightness to the minimum, the whites still blind me during night time, especially if I hold the phone somewhat close to my face. On full brightness, in the sunlight, it ROCKS !!!
The only thing I wished for is some aluminium on the body. It's all plasticky... good thing I have an iCase Pro (MOMAX) case, otherwise... I wouldn't really like it .
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Welcome to the atrix family
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It's hard for me to answer this.
I loved the EVO 3D. The back design made it attractive, and the overall body... it was nice, alright. Also, the big screen was neat.
There were a few things that made me change the phone. The screen was somewhat yellowish (had to use Filter Your Screen to add a blue alpha so it would not be so yellowish on white menus and so brownish on gray menus - but that still didn't fix it 100%). The earpiece was creaky, and so was the loudspeaker on maximum volume...
I wanted the ATRIX for it has a bigger battery, a decent chipset, and a more robust design. I mean... the body is more compact - feels better in the hand, more secure, I'd say. Besides, on this phone I no longer feel the urge to smash it on the wall for yellow whites or creaky voices in-calls.
Also, the screen is just AMAZING. Even though it's a TFT, and it's got PenTile, I find it really nice. The whites are PURE WHITE. The blacks are BLACK!!! Also, if you know that ICS wallpaper... it really looks better on the ATRIX. The colors were somewhat washed on the EVO 3D - proof that S-LCD still needed work. To be honest, I think this TFT screen can be compared to the Samsung Galaxy S's SUPER AMOLED.
Even if I turn down the screen's brightness to the minimum, the whites still blind me during night time, especially if I hold the phone somewhat close to my face. On full brightness, in the sunlight, it ROCKS !!!
The only thing I wished for is some aluminium on the body. It's all plasticky... good thing I have an iCase Pro (MOMAX) case, otherwise... I wouldn't really like it .
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Good reasons and observations. I really liked that. They way you responded about the evo 3d, I wouldn't buy that at all. Thanks for sharing.
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Welcome to the atrix family
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thanks
Voelker45 said:
Good reasons and observations. I really liked that. They way you responded about the evo 3d, I wouldn't buy that at all. Thanks for sharing.
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Don't get me wrong... MY phone was a bad unit - about the yellowish screen. Another friend had the 3VO and it was white, but compared to my ATRIX now, the ATRIX is white and his 3VO yellow.
The creaking earpiece was also a problem that occured later - I believe some water got in, idk.
The EVO 3D is a great phone.
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Don't get me wrong... MY phone was a bad unit - about the yellowish screen. Another friend had the 3VO and it was white, but compared to my ATRIX now, the ATRIX is white and his 3VO yellow.
The creaking earpiece was also a problem that occured later - I believe some water got in, idk.
The EVO 3D is a great phone.
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Nice Review. The atrix is a BEAST especially when throwing Neutrino behind it!
I came from a iPhone 4 to the Atrix a few months ago and it has it's ups and downs. My only real gripe of any consequence is the battery life. It isnt terrible, but you have to do a little tweaking (at least with CM7, I found so). I've been playing with ICS on it and so far have noticed a slight improvement in that arena. Plus ICS feels like a much nicer UI overall.
I love the size of the screen on, and I personally have found no problem with it. My main use for the phone (other than calls) is web browsing and reading using the Kindle and nook, and aldiko book readers.
And music playback of course. I have one playlist or another going most of the time if I am not talking to someone (desk job, might as well get my tune on).
My headphone jack failed a month or so after I bought the phone (used, off ebay), and while it was at Motorola getting fixed (warranty job, only paid shipping to them) I was back on my I4 for a couple weeks and I felt a lot better getting the Atrix back, and not just for Android. You just get addicted to the larger screen so easy.
My secondary gripe of any matter is the placement of the power button. Just feels very awkward to use 1 handed. But I added a wake on volume mod instead, and that problem was solved.
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I came from a iPhone 4 to the Atrix a few months ago and it has it's ups and downs. My only real gripe of any consequence is the battery life. It isnt terrible, but you have to do a little tweaking (at least with CM7, I found so). I've been playing with ICS on it and so far have noticed a slight improvement in that arena. Plus ICS feels like a much nicer UI overall.
I love the size of the screen on, and I personally have found no problem with it. My main use for the phone (other than calls) is web browsing and reading using the Kindle and nook, and aldiko book readers.
And music playback of course. I have one playlist or another going most of the time if I am not talking to someone (desk job, might as well get my tune on).
My headphone jack failed a month or so after I bought the phone (used, off ebay), and while it was at Motorola getting fixed (warranty job, only paid shipping to them) I was back on my I4 for a couple weeks and I felt a lot better getting the Atrix back, and not just for Android. You just get addicted to the larger screen so easy.
My secondary gripe of any matter is the placement of the power button. Just feels very awkward to use 1 handed. But I added a wake on volume mod instead, and that problem was solved.
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I hate the iPhone. Overpriced, tiny 3.5 incher... Besides, Android is much better. Otherwise I would have gotten an iPhone...
If the EVO 3D unit I had didn't had those few things that I didn't like about (malfunctions, that is), I would've sticked to it. Just letting ya know. I consider the EVO 3D above the ATRIX (in some aspects, at leasts).
But compared to the iPhone 4S... The ATRIX wins big time. Bigger battery, better CPU, bigger RAM, better/nicer OS, bigger screen... The only thing I'm concerned about is the GPU. I know it's an 8-core UltraLowPower processor, but... does it really perform as good as/better than the PowerVR's or Adreno's?! I, for one, would say no but that might be some driver-related issue, which should/might be fixed when the official ICS drops...
Im glad you liked the Atrix. Its a pretty dam nice phone, im im love with it. Very fast and smooth. qHD screens are awesome. Great battery life. Feels very nice on my hand. Nice design, IMO. Welcome to the atrix family.
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But compared to the iPhone 4S... The ATRIX wins big time. Bigger battery, better CPU, bigger RAM, better/nicer OS, bigger screen... The only thing I'm concerned about is the GPU. I know it's an 8-core UltraLowPower processor, but... does it really perform as good as/better than the PowerVR's or Adreno's?! I, for one, would say no but that might be some driver-related issue, which should/might be fixed when the official ICS drops...
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Ouch, gonna have to disagree there. Nothing really beats iPhones os, its sooo simple and easy to use. Best thing about it is that they DONT need quad core, even my ipad2 runs perfect with gaming. The OS is so perfectly optimized that even with my wife's 3gs, there are only a few hiccups. The one thing that I will agree with is the 3.5 inch screen. That's too small. Imagine a 4.3 inch with that retina display....mmmm......
But these are all personal opinions, and no one will ever agree.
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Just wondering if everyone elses LTE is set at a warm color, orange'ish whites
compared to the evo 4g which is cool with blue'ish whites
possible to ever change this?
TorxT3D said:
Just wondering if everyone elses LTE is set at a warm color, orange'ish whites
compared to the evo 4g which is cool with blue'ish whites
possible to ever change this?
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My brothers has cool whites and I have warm whites...yet our panels are both Sony...so I don't get it.
mine is also a warm-toned screen, nonetheless it looks great
I posted about this yesterday but it already got buried. Unfortunately you can either hassle with taking it back and hoping for a more blueish white panel or you can get used to it. I hated the look when i unboxed, I have the same yellowish tint on white. But im already used to it for the most part. There is an app on the play store called "Screen adjuster" that you can add some blue back in but its not perfect and it has to run in the background i haven't tested to see how much of a load it puts on the phone if left on all day. Also a good app to use to visually inspect the colors your panel is showing is "dead pixel test". So software can be used to help the tint, but as far as a permanent solution, I believe that would be up to HTC. Maybe some devs can do it eventually once we have s-off.
I've just starting to really notice this, and its driving me nuts.
The whites are not white at all, they are more yellowish eggshell (or as I like to call it 'light puke'). You can really notice it when your in natural light. I held it up to something pure white and you can see an epic difference.
Does this not bother anybody else? I forget, but don't some ROMs (for other phones) have options to change screen tones? Is this something that I can look forward to ? Or perhaps my eyes (and mind) are just playing tricks on me.
I dislike 'warm' tones a lot. I wish I gotten a 'cool' tone phone instead, I can handle the blue tone a lot better.
I wonder why this is I mean it isnt like amoled n the screens should be.the.same.... Maybe dim lights inside?
Root it and try chainfire 3d, it has the option to change screen tone in I believe the pro version. Added bonus, works with all roms to my knowledge. I haven't tried it yet myself as I'm completely happy with the tone on mine, but I used it on the og evo for a long time.
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Root it and try chainfire 3d, it has the option to change screen tone in I believe the pro version. Added bonus, works with all roms to my knowledge. I haven't tried it yet myself as I'm completely happy with the tone on mine, but I used it on the og evo for a long time.
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Thanks, I'll give it a try since I'm already rooted. I messed around with 'screen adjuster' and 'filer your screen' and neither seemed to do the trick.
EDIT: Looks like I'll have to wait a bit longer to play with chainfire 3d. Requires S-off (or probably just unlock bootloader). Only have root. But chainfire looks promising.
This was a problem on the One X for AT&T but most of them cleared up after a week or so. My advice would be to keep the brightness up for a while when using it.
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We have two EVO LTE and one of ours is much cooler and blue and the other is much warmer. How do you check if the display type to see if they are different?
My screen is warm also. At first I thought it was the ZAGG HD screen protector that was causing that yellowish tint, but after I removed it, it was still there.
If anyone with two EVO LTE phones can post a side-by-side picture of the warm and cool screens, I'd greatly appreciate it.
TIA
Here is a picture. Its not the best quality so it might be hard to tell a difference. The difference is much more apparent in real life.
Supposedly its due to the adhesive. There is a thread about it in the HOX forum. My screen seems to be whiter than it was a week ago but that may be a placebo effect- I need to do another side by side comparison with my iPhone to tell.
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I was dreading a problem like this. I can deal with blacks not being black (have to deal with it with the very nature of LCD) but whites... Yeah, they need to be white.
Here's to hoping my device doesn't have this issue. I will update this post with news.
get an app called screen adjuster
then increase the blue a little bit, to about 15 or so
woooooorks wonderss!!!
On my NS4G, there was a kernel mod developed by SuperCurio that allowed you to adjust gamma levels. I always ran my phone with very cool blue whites.
Maybe something like that would be possible for the Evo?
I think I have the warmer screen color. Things like this doesn't bother me at all. I've seen thread like this everytime a new phone comes out. After a few week your eyes and OCD levels will adjust.
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Here is a picture. Its not the best quality so it might be hard to tell a difference. The difference is much more apparent in real life.
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You can def tell the one on the right is the warm though. I'm sure in direct natural light the difference is huge.
mlin said:
Supposedly its due to the adhesive. There is a thread about it in the HOX forum. My screen seems to be whiter than it was a week ago but that may be a placebo effect- I need to do another side by side comparison with my iPhone to tell.
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I'm hoping this is the case. Its weird because I think it changes. Like after it goes in direct natural light it gets really bad.
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I was dreading a problem like this. I can deal with blacks not being black (have to deal with it with the very nature of LCD) but whites... Yeah, they need to be white.
Here's to hoping my device doesn't have this issue. I will update this post with news.
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Same. I can deal with the black but not the whites. Whites need to be crisp and clean not yellow. I repainted all the eggshell whites in my house to pure white. To me it takes away the crispness of the screen.
flex360 said:
get an app called screen adjuster
then increase the blue a little bit, to about 15 or so
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Man you hit the nail right on the nail. I had mine set at 14 for the past three days. It helps but it still isn't ideal. Plus its consuming resources.
dont think its an adhesive bonding process still "curing"
i think the color temp is permanent.
hopefully a dev will allow color temp change because its a little awkward staring at my pc monitor, then looking at the phone's brown and yellow drab lcd tint.
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dont think its an adhesive bonding process still "curing"
i think the color temp is permanent.
hopefully a dev will allow color temp change because its a little awkward staring at my pc monitor, then looking at the phone's brown and yellow drab lcd tint.
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This is what I am praying for. But enough people have to be annoyed by it for somebody to do something.
The best test is to open the settings menu (Evo white) and compare it against a piece of notebook paper (real white). Its gross.
Tell me is the screen of G2 so inglourious as shown there http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2458409 ?
Seems LG uses worst and cheapest glass it could possibly find so it produces such distortions in picture. Maybe we must tell them they should better buy displays directly from HTC? WDYT?
What do I think? I think you've been trolling the G2 forums for a long time. Let people make their own decisions. I haven't met a high demand my screen doesn't comply with, so I think the title of this thread is ridiculous as well. If you don't like the phone, buy one you do like, and stop posting nonsense please. Its hard enough to sift through the good information on XDA, people shouldn't have to weed out bogus info.
Probly you confuse me with somebody else. 'Cause it's my advices considered useful not somebody's else
I just edited my post because it was harsh. You asked a question and it deserves an answer. I will leave that part of my response.
I just came from a DNA that has one of the best screens ever made and this screen is is marvelous even in comparison from every angle even extreme ones.
I don't know how anyone can complain about the viewing angles on the G2. Coming from just about every major smartphone of 2012/2013 I can say I didn't notice it. Do people really use their phones at extreme angles?
On a TV or Monitor, I get it, you may have it up higher or lower or whatever, but it is a PHONE. You generally have it in front of you...
Just food for thought. Personally I am very happy with the display on the G2.
If you want great viewing angles go get something with a super amoled screen. No one is forcing you to keep your phone. Or maybe your phone is defective. I have 0 issues with my screen.
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personally this is the best screen ive used. some people are just so nitpicky. they should work in Quality Control so we dont get dings scratches that ive seen on my new macbook airs, iphone 5's.
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Tell me is the screen of G2 so inglourious as shown there http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2458409 ?
Seems LG uses worst and cheapest glass it could possibly find so it produces such distortions in picture. Maybe we must tell them they should better buy displays directly from HTC? WDYT?
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I'm thinking you must not have seen this display in person. First off, this display is by far the best I've ever seen on any phone. The S4's display didn't really look as brilliant to me as this one does despite the contrast ratio of AMOLED. I love this screen and it's disappointing for people to troll this forum posting bad things about the IPS+ display. It's absolutely beautiful. I, also, wonder why you need extreme viewing angles for a smartphone screen. Corning Gorilla Glass 3 is not even close to the worst or cheapest glass anyone could find.
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I just edited my post because it was harsh. You asked a question and it deserves an answer. I will leave that part of my response.
I just came from a DNA that has one of the best screens ever made and this screen is is marvelous even in comparison from every angle even extreme ones.
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eh, this screen iis good, but it's not as good as the DNA. hands down, DNA is better. better viewing angles, and doesn't have that weird rainbowish effect when looking at grays and whatnot..apparently there's a layer in there that HTC bought the rights to that LG i guess didn't...the G2 screen reminds me of my Rezound, which had that same weird effect to it.
dna screen kills all, hands down.
IMHO the G2 has a fantastic display. The viewing angles are fine for what they would be used for... maybe looking at your phone on a table without picking it up. other than that, 99.9% of viewing on a smartphone is done straight on.
Yeah, the viewing angle thing I get, but in real world use it is a non-issue. I came from an S3 and that screen is cosmetically beautiful, but incredibly inaccurate and way too contrasty for my tastes. It's like putting a TV in "demo mode", but all the time. Not to rag on it, I really enjoyed the S3, but if you want the best, most accurate display around, I cannot imagine anybody besting the G2 for a while...
I am loving the screen. The preloaded videos really showcase it.
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eh, this screen iis good, but it's not as good as the DNA. hands down, DNA is better. better viewing angles, and doesn't have that weird rainbowish effect when looking at grays and whatnot..apparently there's a layer in there that HTC bought the rights to that LG i guess didn't...the G2 screen reminds me of my Rezound, which had that same weird effect to it.
dna screen kills all, hands down.
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I have no rainbow our any other screen anomaly.
For full disclosure my DNA had a very light blue spot about 6mm.
The LG screen is "tricky". You don't appreciate it until you look at a high definition video. Even the ones recorded on the DNA look better.
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Same here, came from the DNA, still have it so side by side is easy comparison, and while the DNA screen is beautiful by anyone's standards, the G2 has the most gorgeous screen of any phone I've ever seen.
Android Authority's Review...
Listen to what they say about the screen & viewing angles compared to the GS4
Here's GSM Arena's review as well. Pay attention to what the reviewer says about screen quality & viewing angles
There you have it. 2 different respected reviewers saying the same thing & comparing the G2's screen to competitor phones lol
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Out of all the phones I've owned, this display is great. No issues here, unless of course, you're under direct sunlight.
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As someone mentioned the 2 videos they include on the phone are really nice to watch and show what the phone can do in that respect. I also like the ringtones and notifications from the Vienna Boys Choir lol. Also I live in Florida and this is the first phone where I could see the screen all through the day no matter where I was in or outside in the sun, I do have to take off my polarized shades in direct sunlight or the screen is too dark but that was the only time I couldn't see lol. Some folks complain about using the volume key shortcuts for the camera and quick memo and I say to them you can open them 2 or 3 other ways too. I haven't touched the power button since I got this phone, I just knock it on and off.
Viewing angles?
I'm looking at my phone with the most absurd viewing angles and there is only little change to what I can see. The colours are the same even looking from 160 degrees... I don't get your point here. LG is one of the best display makers out there imo...
I didn't realize how "muddy" my S4 was until I put it down on the desk next to my G2 and the DNA I have here. Someone here mentioned to me that the S4 whites were dirty or grey and sure enough it is, I just didn't notice it until I laid them side by side at the same brightness. I keep my brightness down around 40 to 50% most of the day and the G2 looks better there than the S4 or DNA to me. If I crank the brightness all the way up the S4 looks a lot better but that's not where I keep it set so it doesn't matter. I'll have a Razr Maxx HD here later and I'll compare it too just for curiosities sake. I'm very happy with the G2 screen now especially since I used that tiny nav bar mod.
As for viewing angle, I don't view my phone at an angle and I really don't want people next to me always seeing what I'm typing anyway. I don't WANT a wide angle.
If there are complaints to be had about the G2, believe me, the display ain't one of em. She's drop dead gorgeous.
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