So any problems with the Evo 3D can't wait till I upgrade in may
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None.
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You cant wait until you upgrade in MAY? Unfortunately, by the time May gets here there will have been at least 2-3 more newer, faster and better phones to come along.
For now the 3VO is the top dog...
People calling it a 3vo
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Only gripe is that there are like 50 threads on a developer forum with people pissing and moaning about every little issue they have.
Other than that...none.
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Your not the only one but obviously part of the group..it bothers me that people feel the need to post comments on a thread just to.diss the name people call a phone..who cares..I call it whatever i want..u do the same..add something to the thread instead...I've seen a lot of these posts and i think It's juvenile..
anyways I don't really have any complaints..I believe we still haven't seen the true potential of the phone yet..people think the e3d isn't faster than the og but i think the difference will become more apparent in the future .
Define "problems". I've noticed some hardware issues (yellowed screens on three of them that I've seen so far). My friend who has the other one on my plan has the yellowing issue and his phone reboots at random, but the guys at the Sprint store will replace it no problem.
Aside from that, which is easily fixed by visiting the store, my only problems would be with Sense 3.0. It introduces some nice features but honestly, I just think the stock Android interface looks and feels better. That's just my opinion. I am waiting for a CM7 port or some other interesting custom ROMs.
P.S. Almost forgot, the camera gets kinda buggy in certain light settings. It is the auto white balance issue, makes some of your pictures look green. That seems to be a software issue though, so not a big deal. Someone making a custom ROM should be able to fix that. Or maybe HTC will quit dragging their bums and learn to code and test.
All in all I'd give it an 8/10.
this phone has a lot of bugs. camera is really bad, esp in low and high light. the screen becomes unresponsive in spots at times. apps force close a lot. the outside speaker is really low, even after adding volume+.
if the Photon was unlocked i'd trade my evo 3d in on it. for now i'm thinking about selling my 3d and going back to original evo.
oh yeah, signal on this phone is the pits as well.
It aight, its adequate until the next super phone comes out this winter.
I've had mine for a few days now. Keeps freezing where the only way to fix it is to pull out the battery. Has randomly reset on me a few times too.
Are these common problems? I might as well take it back and get a new one.
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not me no chance
My biggest gripes with the EVO 3D are:
The 3D camera not allowing me to take photos while the phone is in portrait view. I can't say how many times in the past three days I've been trying to compose some interesting shot of a object in 3D, only to have the camera deny taking the shot simply because the gyro is telling it it's upright. <grrr>
Can't wake the phone up straight into the camera app by pressing the shutter button (or holding it for that matter).
Umm... that's about it. So far at least.
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What's wrong will calling it a "3VO"? It's 733T yo!
I'll admit, I've called it that. It's lazy, because "EVO 3D" has 3 more characters to type.
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Your not the only one but obviously part of the group..it bothers me that people feel the need to post comments on a thread just to.diss the name people call a phone..who cares..I call it whatever i want..u do the same..add something to the thread instead...I've seen a lot of these posts and i think It's juvenile..
anyways I don't really have any complaints..I believe we still haven't seen the true potential of the phone yet..people think the e3d isn't faster than the og but i think the difference will become more apparent in the future .
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I did technically answer the OP. Apparently I can't share my opinion on a topic that shouldn't have even been started because there is a million of these threads already raging on. So I added a crappy answer to a crappy thread. Live with it!
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What's wrong will calling it a "3VO"? It's 733T yo!
I'll admit, I've called it that. It's lazy, because "EVO 3D" has 3 more characters to type.
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Lol I just hate it because whenever I read it I say it in my head and it annoys me. Then I imagine people actually saying it out loud to refer to their phone and I die a little on the insides.
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This and the multiple threads it brings with the same questions
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What's a 3vo?
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I'm told that it is a gimmick, and that it should give me headaches. But it isn't and it doesn't. I actually love the feature that turns an otherwise boring also-ran smartphone into something different.
Before, I was one of the biggest naysayers, expecting to hate this phone and wait for something next. But I'm hooked. I may need to see a professional. Or we could form a meeting. Who's coming with me?
Once you go 3vo, there is no way back! Welcome to the legion!
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the only thing that sucks is......Every Evo better have 3D from here on out..I cant see myself buying another phone if it doesnt have 3D now.
It's disturbing - my brain is rendering everything in 3D now. This morning over breakfast I fell into a crossword puzzle. Just got out an hour ago.
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It's disturbing - my brain is rendering everything in 3D now. This morning over breakfast I fell into a crossword puzzle. Just got out an hour ago.
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baahahahaha...best... quote... ever..lolz
Nah, this device is bad ass!
People who dont like the 3D are just haters.
I'm freaking loving the 3D feature of the phone as well. It is gonna be hard to ever change.
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agreed! I'm in. Can we hold our meetings via Hangout through G+?
Lol I'm on g+ let's build an 3vo circle!!
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I'm told that it is a gimmick, and that it should give me headaches. But it isn't and it doesn't. I actually love the feature that turns an otherwise boring also-ran smartphone into something different.
Before, I was one of the biggest naysayers, expecting to hate this phone and wait for something next. But I'm hooked. I may need to see a professional. Or we could form a meeting. Who's coming with me?
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I know you discovered 3d pr0n. Share the goods my friend.
I'm down how we start a circle haven't really figured it out
Lol I'm on g+ let's build an 3vo circle!!
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I know you discovered 3d pr0n. Share the goods my friend.
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Ha...lookit!!
http://www.japanator.com/world-s-first-3d-porn-movie-features-japanese-porn-stars-16300.phtml
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Once you go 3vo, there is no way back! Welcome to the legion!
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We the people in IRC don't think you're worthy to call it a 3VO.
E3D is much better.
You make it sound like a Vaginal Santa Claus, VO VO VO!
It's kinda crazy but either you see the 3D or you don't. My wife has a really hard time picking it up but the 3D snaps right into focus for me. I love to take pics with my DSLR but now I'm looking at things and seeing what would be interesting to capture in 3D. I initially thought I wouldn't use it much but I've been pleasantly surprised and will use it a lot more often.
The 3D pictures taken by the EVO 3D look absolutely amazing on a 3D TV. While I think the display on the phone looks great in both modes, seeing them in full resolution on a large TV really makes the depth shine.
I have no problem seeing the display in 3D - I made it almost half an hour in to Green Hornet before I got sick of the movie itself. I look forward to more games and movies, but until then, I will spend a lot of time taking 3D pictures of everything, because it looks so cool.
The pron is in this section somwehere
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I think the difficulty some people have with seeing it is that first, if you hold closer than 12 inches, it is very difficult (almost impossible) to see the 3D effect. Second, you actually have to make your eyes focus beyond the screen, which just does not come easy for some people.
I totally agree with the OP, I was always like 3D? whatever I'm getting it for the processor and battery and screen res. But the 3D part is actually really cool, and more exciting than I thought; I'm sold on it. it will definitely be the future of all things visual, I think sooner rather than later.
they just need to figure out better viewing angles for TVs and computer screens for glasses free, and it'll be 3D everything.
I've been told by several people that I sound muffled. Is anyone else experiencing this? And is there a fix?
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no problems
Have your s.o. remove the gag when she allows you to make phone calls??
(of course, that could just be an isolated situation for me....)
@ nightfire I think Ill tell her that lol
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I have the same problem. Everyone keeps telling me they can't hear me or understand me. It's like the microphone is not picking me up when I first start speaking each word. Getting pissed about it.
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Ive been having the same issue
I had this same problem. I took my 3VO to my Sprint store with a repair center. My favorite tech authorized an exchange and made sure I got a new one, since I was within my first 30 days.
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I had this same problem. I took my 3VO to my Sprint store with a repair center. My favorite tech authorized an exchange and made sure I got a new one, since I was within my first 30 days.
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i just cant get over how many people take back their phones for any-old reason
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i just cant get over how many people take back their phones for any-old reason
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Being gagged and muffled is more than good reason
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i just cant get over how many people take back their phones for any-old reason
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Well, it is a PHONE, remember? If people can't understand me when I'm talking to them from my Evo 3D, what would you suggest?
I have the same problem!
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i just cant get over how many people take back their phones for any-old reason
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i can't get over fact that people actually accept paying full price for faulty or subpar service or hardware. people like you make companies think it's ok to take shortcuts.
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I have the same problem. Everyone keeps telling me they can't hear me or understand me. It's like the microphone is not picking me up when I first start speaking each word. Getting pissed about it.
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mine was the same way. i did a test with myself and noticed that sometimes the mic wouldn't pick up until my second word. then it would work fine, the go back to crap. my wife would always have to have me repeat what i said multiple times.
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i can't get over fact that people actually accept paying full price for faulty or subpar service or hardware. people like you make companies think it's ok to take shortcuts.
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And it's people with responses like this that make this forum suck.
If you have no suggestion to help OP with sound quality....get the hell out of the thread.
OP....there is a setting in call setting (I believe) for hard of hearing that ups the volume significantly although I don't know if it reduces muffling at the other end.
Try hard resetting of not. Then definitely keep demanding another one til it works.
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And it's people with responses like this that make this forum suck.
If you have no suggestion to help OP with sound quality....get the hell out of the thread.
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actually it's those posts by "cool" folk that try an make this look like /b...
but thanks, oh great lord of forums. great words from a guy who's posts are ALWAYS in response to the OP.
same issue here on my phone and my wife's EVO 3D
Carrier Coverage is something I have always hoped would get made. The concept is pretty sound and i like the idea of being report oriented. The anyway, so if you are not too concerned with privacy, give it a spin so that we get more sprint data and also to see the 3VO higher on the list of devices.
http://phandroid.com/2011/07/21/carrier-coverage-private-beta-download/
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Carrier Coverage is something I have always hoped would get made. The concept is pretty sound and i like the idea of being report oriented. The anyway, so if you are not too concerned with privacy, give it a spin so that we get more sprint data and also to see the 3VO higher on the list of devices.
http://phandroid.com/2011/07/21/carrier-coverage-private-beta-download/
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Nice find
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very nice fined !!
the word 3vo makes my eyes bleed and my phone cry
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the word 3vo makes my eyes bleed and my phone cry
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It's currently the accepted term, and IMO, better than E3D. Do a search. Even if you limit your search to here, you get twice as many hits for 3vo as E3D. Deal with it.
Mike
Read report wrong... Can't get our device higher on the list because our network just isn't up to par... but still like to see the number of 3vos out there higher! It's actually in second right behind the Thunderbolt. Yes, it's not a perfect sample population, but still like to see the numbers.
Edit: okay, I need to read up on what the report actually means. That number for a report by device isn't the number of devices...
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Ok, I know we just got root and recovery for this phone, but I'm kinda liking the way the photon 4G is looking. My question is, is there any way at the moment to return my 3VO to stock, so I can return it? I currently have 9 days to return my phone to sprint for a exchange...
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Search. Run the ruu. No s-on tool yet.
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Keep the 3D look at all the roms already out there! There is going to be so much development your heads going to spin. You may look back and regret it.
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I'm running up to sprint today, I'm homing to see how I like the photon before I exchange. Who knows, I'll most likely keep the 3VO honestly...
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Ok, I know we just got root and recovery for this phone, but I'm kinda liking the way the photon 4G is looking. My question is, is there any way at the moment to return my 3VO to stock, so I can return it? I currently have 9 days to return my phone to sprint for a exchange...
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whats this 3VO? return it, sounds like ****
After two weeks with this phone, im sad to say this was a let down on htc's part. I have never a had an htc phone have so many issues. For me the camera crashing so often that i misser ahots of my daughter this weekend, and that was using the normal 2d camera. Looks like im going to be checking the photon or just going to the nexus 4g
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ive never had a problem returning a phone that was rooted.. the people at my local store are all idiots and dont pay attention.. But then again i am in detroit..
Fyi I've had the 3vo and now own the photon. Ill give some comparisons.
The phone feels good in hand and feels very good compared to 3vo. Speaker onphoton blows evo away. Games run super smooth on photon. For example n64oid goldeneye on 3vo lag made it unplayable, the photon had little lag but i was able to finish the first level no problem. Also i liked that u can hook up wiimote right out the box instead of waitng for root. As for video camera photon had 0 slutter while the 3vo had too much for my taste. Still pictures were about even even though its an 8mp camera.
As for ui. Sense is way better imo and blur is meh. Also the photon lags a little, but i installed launcher pro and now its good. Oh yea i forgot to mention reception, the main reason why i returned the 3vo! Photon is top notch in that department. Reception was excellent and call quality was great. With the 3vo i had terrible reception.
Hope this helps
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Photon will have much less dev support & will probably be a long time before it's unlocked. Motorola said they were going to start unlocking the bootloaders, but it has not started yet. The Photon is locked. I have to admit it does have nice specs and looks good too, but I personally will stick with my Evo 3D.
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Man, WTF is this 3VO ****??? Evo 3D people.
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Man, WTF is this 3VO ****??? Evo 3D people.
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I don't understand your frustration with someone that refers to a PHONE as "3VO"? To tickle your fancy I'll refer to it as the "Shooter", or how about the "3D EVO", note the reversal of EVO and 3D. Sorry for being an a**, but come on, who really cares about a nickname. Go flame another thread. And that "sorry" is sincere, so don't reply, it'll just make you look like a troll.
This was not directed specifically at any one person, I have decided to make the quote anonymous.
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I don't understand your frustration with someone that refers to a PHONE as "3VO"? To tickle your fancy I'll refer to it as the "Shooter", or how about the "3D EVO", note the reversal of EVO and 3D. Sorry for being an a**, but come on, who really cares about a nickname. Go flame another thread. And that "sorry" is sincere, so don't reply, it'll just make you look like a troll.
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Trust me, im no troll. Why post about returning it? Theres already 30,000 threads about everyone *****ing over the phone. The photon will not see as much Dev activity like the 3D will. Trust me on that one. Look at how strong the 4G is going. Imagine the "3VO"
I Haz 3D
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ive never had a problem returning a phone that was rooted.. the people at my local store are all idiots and dont pay attention.. But then again i am in detroit..
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+1 in detroit they don't check lol
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Yeah the telegraph 7 mile store could careless with anything..lol
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knowledge561 said:
Trust me, im no troll. Why post about returning it? Theres already 30,000 threads about everyone *****ing over the phone. The photon will not see as much Dev activity like the 3D will. Trust me on that one. Look at how strong the 4G is going. Imagine the "3VO"
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Ok, thank you, and yes I hit the thanks button. Your second post had something that actually is pertaining to my original post. Honestly, I chose to stick with the 3VO anyway.
I'd just suck up the "3VO" and get used to it, it isn't going anywhere.
Oh, by the way, I don't refer to it as "three-vo", it just looks cooler (opinion), and I find it faster than typing "EVO 3D"
As an example.
My sms Sig is "Sent From My HTC EVO 3D"
I try to go there instead of the 14 n John r store they always trying to keep your phone for an hour just to do all if of nothing
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Yeah the telegraph 7 mile store could careless with anything..lol
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Yeah I always go to the woodhaven store and they do the same. They are a bunch of ftards..lol
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Sprint seems to tired of change my evo this is the number 6 i have and they told me that I chose from a list they have a new one and the only one that convinced me was the motorola photon. I want the galaxy II but they dont have it right now. And i want the galaxy nexus its not goign to be soon so. What you think?
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Noone cares....sorry
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Sprint seems to tired of change my evo this is the number 6 i have and they told me that I chose from a list they have a new one and the only one that convinced me was the motorola photon. I want the galaxy II but they dont have it right now. And i want the galaxy nexus its not goign to be soon so. What you think?
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That sucks... I was never a big fan of the photon.. before you pick it I would go over to their deving section and see if it suits your needs.
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Sprint seems to tired of change my evo this is the number 6 i have and they told me that I chose from a list they have a new one and the only one that convinced me was the motorola photon. I want the galaxy II but they dont have it right now. And i want the galaxy nexus its not goign to be soon so. What you think?
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Your an idiot is what I think...6? No way you get 6 bad ones.
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Your an idiot is what I think...6? No way you get 6 bad ones.
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On the contrary, alot of launch 3Ds had problems and many still do. Mines has a tilted screen and light leakage but im dealing with it. Others overheat. Others have reboot locks. Research before you call someone a idiot...
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On the contrary, alot of launch 3Ds had problems and many still do. Mines has a tilted screen and light leakage but im dealing with it. Others overheat. Others have reboot locks. Research before you call someone a idiot...
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I still got my original one. Tilted screen, 4 dead pixels, light leakage, and the buttons totally suck
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I still got my original one. Tilted screen, 4 dead pixels, light leakage, and the buttons totally suck
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Tilted screen I can take. That light leakage under the search button kills me. My brother got a perfect phone. No defects at all.
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I got 3 preordered and still nothing wrong with any of them.
I think people return their phones over every little flaw. Honestly i think if u go through 6 it means u have the problem. Imo sprint shouldnt give u another phone over light leakage, people seem to be spoiled.
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I think people return their phones over every little flaw. Honestly i think if u go through 6 it means u have the problem. Imo sprint shouldnt give u another phone over light leakage, people seem to be spoiled.
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Weeeelllll....6 is a little Much, ill admit that. I mean I've never seen design flaws on a newly realeased device like this before. Some get the tainted ones and some don't. It seemed to be real wide spread. The tilted screen did.t. other me much but I agree with Knowledge on the light leakage. 1/3 of the bottom around the edges, the lights leaks right out. Whata pain In the ass. But is hafta agree with some bein.g spoiled. Sure!!
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Weeeelllll....6 is a little Much, ill admit that. I mean I've never seen design flaws on a newly realeased device like this before. Some get the tainted ones and some don't. It seemed to be real wide spread. The tilted screen did.t. other me much but I agree with Knowledge on the light leakage. 1/3 of the bottom around the edges, the lights leaks right out. Whata pain In the ass. But is hafta agree with some bein.g spoiled. Sure!!
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I agree I am just say going through 6 is silly. No way you get a bad one 6 times in a row haha. That's why he's an idiot, 1 or 2 I can see, not 6
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On the contrary, alot of launch 3Ds had problems and many still do. Mines has a tilted screen and light leakage but im dealing with it. Others overheat. Others have reboot locks. Research before you call someone a idiot...
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Those are stupid reasons to waste time exchanging phone after phone. Light leakage and a tilted screen don't hinder functionality in the least. I've got the light leakage...oh well. I don't use my phone in the dark a lot for it to be an issue and even if I did oh well....it still works. Some people are exchanging their phones constantly for retarded reasons. I have a hard time believing that out of 6 devices ALL of them were defective to the point that they couldn't be used.
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Those are stupid reasons to waste time exchanging phone after phone. Light leakage and a tilted screen don't hinder functionality in the least. I've got the light leakage...oh well. I don't use my phone in the dark a lot for it to be an issue and even if I did oh well....it still works. Some people are exchanging their phones constantly for retarded reasons. I have a hard time believing that out of 6 devices ALL of them were defective to the point that they couldn't be used.
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Why does it even matter why the phone has been switched out six times, that wasn't the question....anyway,I would wait and see if they would give you more options, heard bad things about the photon
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Thanx for every body tell me they dont care im idiot, the first one have a big white dot in the screen, the second one have ramdom reboots, the third one and 4 what have the same freez and randoms reboots, the 5 is was exelent but for some reason the screen have like Stains and they order a new screen but they send other phone and now what random reboots and freez a lot so its not my fault i have the evo 4g never have problems i going to get the photon i really dont like it because im fan of htc but i dont have other choice. If the photon give me problem i going again and change it that have warranty and i pay insurance.
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Thanx for every body tell me they dont care im idiot, the first one have a big white dot in the screen, the second one have ramdom reboots, the third one and 4 what have the same freez and randoms reboots, the 5 is was exelent but for some reason the screen have like Stains and they order a new screen but they send other phone and now what random reboots and freez a lot so its not my fault i have the evo 4g never have problems i going to get the photon i really dont like it because im fan of htc but i dont have other choice. If the photon give me problem i going again and change it that have warranty and i pay insurance.
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If you got ramdon reboots and freeze on so many different handsets., more often than not it is cause by the apps you installed.
Why you no spell right , why you spell like this
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Why you no spell right , why you spell like this
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Because i dont speak very well english.
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If you got ramdon reboots and freeze on so many different handsets., more often than not it is cause by the apps you installed.
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In all the phones in the store they reset the phone and without instaling any apps the phones freeze in his hands
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Why you no spell right , why you spell like this
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Keep in mind not everyone is from the states
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Keep in mind not everyone is from the states
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Jay how did you get to be a forum moderator lol