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Using a Verizon / HTC Thunderbolt, final retail model.
Not even tethering, just holding the phone in my hand, I'm getting 4 bars of signal and a signal strength of -77 dBm.
Seems to work fine most of the time, with good downstream, well within acceptable limits of the "5 to 12 Mbps" advertised, though it's extremely variable (it tends to regularly oscillate between these speeds, occasionally dropping down to EvDO speeds).
But the speeds aren't important, just an indication of the good signal strength.
Maybe it's just my cell tower, but I am very frequently seeing no network activity at all; can't even get to google or check for software updates. It's about as unreliable as Verizon's crap DSL. This is the polar opposite of the rock-solid stability I used to get with EvDO in the exact same place (in my house). Is it the 4G network being unreliable, or the Thunderbolt? Anyone else have this problem?
Edit: In terms of the patterns of the total downtime, it seems to go down for periods of 5 to 10 minutes per hour. Sometimes the downtime only lasts 15 or 30 seconds, other times I am completely out for 10 minutes, even though it says "4G LTE" in the dock and I am still getting good signal strength. My data usage for the month is under 5GB but above 2GB. I tend not to make very bursty traffic; except for app downloads, most of my traffic is of the low throughput, consistent variety (loading webpages, listening to MP3 streams at 128Kbps, etc). I use it very often but the bandwidth usage at any given time is probably lower than the speed of an EvDO connection (unless you count webpages that are downloaded at faster-than-EvDO speeds for a split-second to load them). I'll be using it and then it's just *down*. I can still make phone calls during the outage.
I noticed the same thing. I was all over the place cycling through no data, 1x, 3G, and 4G in like a minute in the same spot. I rebooted and got a much more stable 4G connection.
I'm thinking your expectations are a little too much. There are many areas I don't get a good 3g, let alone a 4g signal. I live in a suburb of Chicago and am in 4g 95% of the time, I don't always pay attention, because, after all, it's a phone first, but 4g seems to be there whenever I need it.
Also, in regards to unacceptable, what are you comparing it to? Is there more acceptable 4g signals in your area?
fillyo said:
I'm thinking your expectations are a little too much. There are many areas I don't get a good 3g, let alone a 4g signal. I live in a suburb of Chicago and am in 4g 95% of the time, I don't always pay attention, because, after all, it's a phone first, but 4g seems to be there whenever I need it.
Also, in regards to unacceptable, what are you comparing it to? Is there more acceptable 4g signals in your area?
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I'm comparing it to Verizon EvDO / 3G. While speeds on EvDO were only about 20-25% of the max speed of LTE / 4G, it was completely reliable -- at least in my area.
Keeping the phone almost completely stationary sitting at my desk, connected to the same cell tower, and with my roaming data programmed to the latest version, my EvDO phone (a Droid 2) would have the connection available whenever I asked for it.
With the same exact usage pattern but with LTE, my Thunderbolt often has no connection, and it spontaneously comes back by simply waiting around for it to become available.
I expect the 4G channel to be "open" 24/7/365, not ever completely down -- especially while stationary in a standard building with a very high signal strength (always 4 bars). I have no unusual EMF like microwaves or bluetooth going on, just a laptop and a desktop and 2 LCDs. Wooden house, and I'm on the top floor.
If they can make EvDO stable 24/7, and EvDO is based on the same CDMA technology as LTE, why can't they make LTE stable 24/7 also? And I also don't understand why my phone does not fall back to EvDO if and when the LTE drops out. I recall a few times over the years of using it that my EvDO would fall back to 1x/RTT in the event of an EvDO downtime. But the MTBF of EvDO downtimes in my area was around 1 year. Now, the MTBF of LTE is about 50 to 120 minutes.
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I noticed the same thing. I was all over the place cycling through no data, 1x, 3G, and 4G in like a minute in the same spot. I rebooted and got a much more stable 4G connection.
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I rebooted my phone and am getting a more stable 4G connection now, too I wonder if the phone itself has a stability problem with its 4G transceiver after a certain period of uptime? I will test this theory over the next couple days by rebooting my phone whenever I have a problem, and see if it helps.
Edit: I usually keep my phone "up" 24/7, and just leave it on the charger when I'm not on the go. I power it off only rarely, because I want to receive phone calls and text messages. When I just rebooted it, it had 2.5 days of uptime (hard to have too much uptime considering launch day was just a few days ago!)
fillyo said:
I live in a suburb of Chicago and am in 4g 95% of the time...
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Out of curiosity, what suburb are you in that you're getting 4G 95% of the time? I live in Highland Park (about 20 miles up the north shore) and I don't have nearly as good of coverage (still decent though and I'm not complaining).
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I'm guessing it has to be your area. I am getting amazing 4G coverage in LA. I going to assume its going to take VZW some time before their 4G coverage truly blankets areas. I remember when 3G came out.. it was totally spotty for a long time until they had enough towers.
Kind of like what I recorded on my phone this afternoon....?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRTOCFoGFmU
5 min clip showing me cycling through web and map but getting no data, despite cycling airplane mode on and off. This has happened almost daily since getting the phone last Thursday, in multiple locations that are supposedly full 4G areas. Pretty annoying.
Double annoying since I got the Verizon phone because they're network's so much better (allegedly)...and yet my Nexus S on T-Mobile had full bars and fast "4G" data in the same location. I'd also had a reboot, and the 1tx symbols flashing but wasn't recording at the time. I'd been screwing around with this for at least 10 minutes before activating ShootMe to record it.
Thrillhouse847 said:
Out of curiosity, what suburb are you in that you're getting 4G 95% of the time? I live in Highland Park (about 20 miles up the north shore) and I don't have nearly as good of coverage (still decent though and I'm not complaining).
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Well im in Gurnee area with 4g 99% of the time. Only time without is in my GF's brothers house. no 3g there either though lol. otherwise i never loose 4g. Even driving to vernon hills and around i always have 4g. not sure y in HP u dont always have it.
i am complete opposite i have 2-1 bars inside a building getting 12mbps
I notice it has an issue where it just randomly drops all my signals to search for 4g even though its not in my area... I think the only way to get reliable signal would be to set the radio to whatever you are using mostly... *#*#4636#*#* will get you into diagnostics and select phone infotmation and then choose CDMA auto for 3g or lte mode..... I'm thinking in the near future there will be a update that allows for easier lte turn off like 4g on the evo... the automatic thing is nice but it wastes battery and seems to cause some problem
RafficaX said:
Well im in Gurnee area with 4g 99% of the time. Only time without is in my GF's brothers house. no 3g there either though lol. otherwise i never loose 4g. Even driving to vernon hills and around i always have 4g. not sure y in HP u dont always have it.
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Hm. Not sure either, Gurnee/Vernon Hills is pretty close, maybe I just need more testing time (I'm also indoors most of the time).
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Thrillhouse847 said:
Hm. Not sure either, Gurnee/Vernon Hills is pretty close, maybe I just need more testing time (I'm also indoors most of the time).
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i mean i never saw 4 bars on 4g but 2-3 always and hit 30 on the down and 50 on the up while in the antioch walmart lol but never with out 4g expect in that one house lol.
I just set mine to LTE only let's see if its more stable than the auto mode
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I just set mine to LTE only let's see if its more stable than the auto mode
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let me know, i should try that too. never thought of that when looking at it. wonder if ill save a bit of battery not trying to also find 3g, im sure i lose very lil hunting for 3g but still. saving some battery may give me another in on 4g lol
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i mean i never saw 4 bars on 4g but 2-3 always and hit 30 on the down and 50 on the up while in the antioch walmart lol but never with out 4g expect in that one house lol.
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You realize that the phone is incapable of 50 up, don't you? Those kinds of speeds are a known bug in the Speedtest.net and other similar speed tests that don't deal with the Thunderbolt's large transmit buffer properly.
Anyone else seeing any errors in the logcat that look similar to this?
D/DATA ( 1779):[QCTMM] DataNetStatistics sent == 0 && received == 0 newActivity=NONE
D/DATA ( 1779): sentSinceLastRecv=0,watchdogTrigger=10,maxindex=0
E/TrafficStats( 1555): [QCTMM]tryAll index =1
E/TrafficStats( 1555): [QCTMM]tryAll index =2
There is an entry like this every few seconds when I'm on mobile data.
RafficaX said:
Well im in Gurnee area with 4g 99% of the time. Only time without is in my GF's brothers house. no 3g there either though lol. otherwise i never loose 4g. Even driving to vernon hills and around i always have 4g. not sure y in HP u dont always have it.
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verizon towers fallowing u now? from 95% now 99% lol ...that 1% its your gfs house damn it.... probably a bridge on the way and tower to tall to go under ...****...otherwise u would it have 100% wooohoooo
I'm at my desk at work in times square, nyc. Yesterday I had 1-2 bars of 4g at my desk. Today, my phone has yet to switch out of 1x mode my entire 2 hour commute here and so far today. I tried rebooting and can't get 3g or 4g to come on. I'm pretty annoyed
I have great 4g coverage but with my evo 3d it suck it shows 4 bars but wont connect to the web or any data but my wife evo 4g is just fine
I've been having the same issue in Boston.....full bars but no data pushing thru....I think its a sprint thing....yur not alone LOL
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I'm starting to believe it's a Northeast thing. Actually it's pretty bad in numerous places. Go check Sprints forums. People are complaining all over. When I spoke to Sprint a few days ago, the woman told me there is a data outage in Bronx, Yonkers, Long Island, Manhattan & Edgewater, Nj. Yesterday I was down in the Bronx, a stones throw away from Manhattan, had full 4G and only got 2.01mbps down. The 3G is so awful I won't even mention it! I had said to her, don't you guys use Clearwire...Why would your 3G data outage effect 4G? She said it's a data outage in general, everything will be effected. Anyways, she said they were waiting on parts and it should be fixed within a week.
Did u try to update ur profile/prl in settings>system updates?
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Just to add...When I was picking up my 5th E3D yesterday, I did a speed test right away @ BB and got 7.36mbps down with 2 bars of 4G. 1.3mpbs on 3G. This was in Yonkers by the Scarsdale border. Came home(BX) and my speeds went back to sh!t!! So there's definitely issues in certain areas.
my wife evo 4g data is fine tho her 4g is fast and her 3g is too but both of fine are trash
Hey Everyone,
I woke up this morning and had no 4G LTE connection, I tried battery pull, sim pull, waiting 15 minutes and then putting it all back. It would connect to 4g for about 20 seconds before jumping back to 3g. Being that I paid 300 bucks for this phone and it worked great since I got it, I called VZW. The rep I got confirmed that the 4G LTE network is having some outages but they know about it and are working quickly to restore service.
Looking thru some other forums, it seems to be an East Coast thing, I would like to know if any of you are having this problem as well, and if so where are you located. Please respond with your general location (or specific city if you want) and what networks are down for you. Ill start
Central Massachusetts has no 4G LTE currently. 3g an 1x are unaffected.
Albany NY area
Spotty 4g for the last few days and they told me the same thing. Seems OK today so far.
No problems here, 4G strong as ever.
Rochester NY, same problem.
~John
I'm in Erie, PA and I can only connect to 4G for like a minute before it switches to 3G . I hope they fix it soon, I'm going through withdrawal! I NEED MY EXTRA G!
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I've got the 4G's here in Michigan
Fine here in California although I'm far away and probably irrelevant.
Looks like I'm even having 3g problems now.
I listen to iheart streaming radio all morning at work & it may buffer occasionally but in general it works perfectly. A minute ago it cut out for about the 4th time this morning & now it's refusing to connect at all.
~John
Philadelphia. No problems.
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Rochester NY, same problem.
~John
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Interesting, I too am in Rochester and I have connection. Just ran a speed test of 10/6 to make sure. I'm downtown at work right now.
I have had no issues with 4G here in MN just outside the twin cities.
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Off and On in Tacoma, Washington
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Albany, NY - same problem, no 4g
rboddy said:
Interesting, I too am in Rochester and I have connection. Just ran a speed test of 10/6 to make sure. I'm downtown at work right now.
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I actually live in Penfield & work in Victor.
I always have rock solid 4g at my house and usually 4g works in Victor.
This morning, my phone was in 3g coming off the charger which was odd. I put it in airplane mode & back & 4g started working.
It skipped back & forth between 4g & 3g all morning however. Now, it seems to be working again (it is in 4g now) but we'll see what happens the rest of the day.......
~John
I have the proper number of G's in Milwaukee (four of them!) but I leave my phone on WiFi most of the time to save battery.
Baltimore area here. Haven't had 4G since last night. Rebooted my phone a few times. It would attach for a minute or two then drop right back to 3G.
Was still on 3G before I came into work a little bit ago.
4G is working fine in A2
Yea, the rep was telling me its only really affecting the East Coast and from what I see he it seems pretty accurate.
Does it really bug anyone else that VZW does not have a website with outages listed, like google does with the AppStatus Dashboard. It would probably save their reps a ton of phone time.
No 4G issues in Phoenix
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In california on business, 4g has been completely awful. I can do the same; connect for a minute or so then it drops to nothing.
anyone know of? 9:16am in central nj, i don't have 4G here but my 3g won't turn on. It's only 1x if anything shows up.
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I had 1x instead of 3g this morning to swithed to 4g and everything is fine
Looks like 4G is out here in Los Angeles.
This is getting pretty ridiculous...4th outage in a month?
No issue in SD. 4g working fine as of now.
4G working fine in the Seattle/Tacoma area...
4g is out in Los Angeles...
Confirmed with girlfriend and coworkers on 4G LTE devices...only 3G available. I called Verizon and they said they have no reported outages.
4g working fine here on Long Island
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4g is fine in Chicago, although there may have been some issues overnight as my phone rebooted several times last night.
I had an issue where I should have had either 4g or 3g, but only showed 1x. After a bunch of rebooting and switching on/off airplane mode and various radios, I had to do a battery pull which fixed it. Try that maybe
edit: I'm in Atlanta and 4G working is fine
yeah, in my area, we don't have 4g at all. this morning,w hen i tried to send a pic, 3g just wouldn't turn on. after a minute, 1x turned on and it sent over that...then i was like, hmm, what happens if i turn wifi off..so i did, and mobile network was on, but nothing was coming up..1x would randomly turn on and off, but no 3g.
4G LTE fine in Columbia, SC.
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LTE 4G Rezound
Working fine here Toledo, Ohio
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hmm, thank broskis. seems to be back on now! good deal. guess there was a glitch in the matrix or something
Youngstown/Warren Ohio I'm on the outskirts and I've been 3g 1x back and forth. But about to go into city and find out about LTE.
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Got only 3g in Hollywood California
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4G service had gotten worse & worse to the point where I don't even expect it to work right anymore, & when it does I just look at it as kind of a bonus.....
~John
we're gonna need a 4g outage specific forum, or map app where people report it and it shows up on a real-time map...
Up and running again...roughly a 5 hour outage for me.
4g back up in Los Angeles after an all night outage.
is anyone in the Ft Worth area having trouble staying connected to 4g? 3g is fine, but 4g only pops on for a second or two.
I have great 4G coverage in Fort Worth. What I have a problem with is the phone. My razr maxx likes to drop 4G and wifi constantly. I use Fresh Network from the market to refresh my radios all the time.
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I work in Ft Worth and live in Masfield, my 4G data has been rock solid for quite some time until yesterday. I'm hardly ever in 4G and even 3G is dropping out, that almost never happens. I have 2 razrs with me right now and both are doing the same thing both at work and home. I don't know where you are in Ft. Worth, but I'm in the Bank of Texas building at Cherry and 7th, I have never had problems like this before.
edit: update, just went into 1x, i haven't seen 1x since before the bionic came out.