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I'm returning my Atrix and I was wondering how I keep the apps I bought from the Market? Do I have to back them up with Titanium or will the market remember that I bought the apps and just let me reinstall them on a different phone as long as I sign in to the market as the same user?
Market will remember as long as you use the same credentials to set up your new phone.
Appbrain.com is the computer version of the Android Market. You can sync your device to the website and vise versa. You can backup and save the apps that you have downloaded and bought and then quickly download them again.
https://market.android.com/ is the computer version of the market, appbrain.com is a 3rd party site.
Excellent, thank you all. Atrix goes back tonight.
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I am curious, why are you sending the atrix back? What are you getting to replace it?
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I am curious, why are you sending the atrix back? What are you getting to replace it?
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Returning it because the bootloader is locked with no crack in sight, and at&t screwed us on hsupa. Motorola's new update removes root and devs are leaving the Atrix so that should throw red flags up. I don't want to be stuck with this locked Atrix for 2 years and only get updates when motorola gets around to it and then having to hope I can root after every little update. I'm not happy with them locking me out of it so I'm not supporting motorola. Botched recalled updates etc. I'm getting the inspire 4G to replace it and I will be able to Tinker with roms all I want! Hardware wise I love the Atrix. I'll miss tegra games and the high res screen but that's it. Moto and at&t crippled it. Sad. Such Huge potential.
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Unfortunately, I am returning my Atrix tonight as well - day 27 of purchase. This is my first Android phone but I feel like I'm missing out on some of the best aspects of the XDA community and features of Android, in general. I like the Atrix, but not enough to keep it for two years on contract with most likely very meager updating by Motorola in the future. I also have some gripes about the hardware.
I consider this my introductory Android experience and absolutely love the OS. I love it so much, that I want to be able to experience more of it!
I agree with everything you said, except for the Inspire. Since I sold my iPhone 4 (for a nice profit!), I will be using an old school Razr until something of interest comes along. The Inspire does not seem to warrant the use of my upgrade eligibility.
Also debating jumping ship altogether from AT&T. This whole HSPA thing, while not a deal breaker, certainly left a very bitter taste in my mouth. I have recently found AT&T store reps to be uninformed and fairly rude, especially on the phone. I have been a loyal customer since 2000.
I hope that the current locking trend we've seen from HTC and Motorola is not a sure sign of the future of Android. One of the main reasons I left my iPhone behind was because I enjoy tinkering with my phone a lot, and the Android OS is so well suited for it!
It seems like developer support is a key factor in ensuring the longevity of a device, far after the hardware company has moved on. I don't like to buy phones continuously off contract and I would like to ensure that my phone stays developmentally relevant for the duration off my contract.
This may not be the proper forum for this response, but I just felt the need to vent and am interested in hearing what you guys have to say. Not trying to bad-mouth the Atrix for those who like it, it's just not quite the Android experience I hoped for.
You need a nexus one
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Unfortunately, I am returning my Atrix tonight as well - day 27 of purchase. This is my first Android phone but I feel like I'm missing out on some of the best aspects of the XDA community and features of Android, in general. I like the Atrix, but not enough to keep it for two years on contract with most likely very meager updating by Motorola in the future. I also have some gripes about the hardware.
I consider this my introductory Android experience and absolutely love the OS. I love it so much, that I want to be able to experience more of it!
I agree with everything you said, except for the Inspire. Since I sold my iPhone 4 (for a nice profit!), I will be using an old school Razr until something of interest comes along. The Inspire does not seem to warrant the use of my upgrade eligibility.
Also debating jumping ship altogether from AT&T. This whole HSPA thing, while not a deal breaker, certainly left a very bitter taste in my mouth. I have recently found AT&T store reps to be uninformed and fairly rude, especially on the phone. I have been a loyal customer since 2000.
I hope that the current locking trend we've seen from HTC and Motorola is not a sure sign of the future of Android. One of the main reasons I left my iPhone behind was because I enjoy tinkering with my phone a lot, and the Android OS is so well suited for it!
It seems like developer support is a key factor in ensuring the longevity of a device, far after the hardware company has moved on. I don't like to buy phones continuously off contract and I would like to ensure that my phone stays developmentally relevant for the duration off my contract.
This may not be the proper forum for this response, but I just felt the need to vent and am interested in hearing what you guys have to say. Not trying to bad-mouth the Atrix for those who like it, it's just not quite the Android experience I hoped for.
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You know, as we veer rapidly off topic, I have to say that while I've been disheartened by the shackles put onto this "open" OS of Android by Motorola and while I too am waiting with baited breath for someone to hack open the bootloader, not a day goes by that I'm not happy I switched away from the iPhone to move to an Atrix. While I agree that while the "4G" is still nowhere to be seen and that the locked bootloader is a pain, this is still twice the device my iPhone 4 ever was, especially as the Android OS doesn't treat all its users like they're half brain-dead and completely lacking any technical knowledge. I'm happy to say I'll be keeping my Atrix.
I'm unsure if I'm keeping my Atrix. I'm still within the 30 days - I love the phone, but some of the things I tend to do are things I can not do without access to the bootloader.
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You know, as we veer rapidly off topic, I have to say that while I've been disheartened by the shackles put onto this "open" OS of Android by Motorola and while I too am waiting with baited breath for someone to hack open the bootloader, not a day goes by that I'm not happy I switched away from the iPhone to move to an Atrix. While I agree that while the "4G" is still nowhere to be seen and that the locked bootloader is a pain, this is still twice the device my iPhone 4 ever was, especially as the Android OS doesn't treat all its users like they're half brain-dead and completely lacking any technical knowledge. I'm happy to say I'll be keeping my Atrix.
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I concur!!!
People are saying that kholk is working on unlocking the bootloader. Last I heard of Da_G, he was working on it too.
Something you guys might find interesting is the white nexus s that has access to the AT&T 3G bands.
Anyways, on topic: Backup your apps using TiBu to your external sd-card. Then plop the new card into your phone, and restore.
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People are saying that kholk is working on unlocking the bootloader. Last I heard of Da_G, he was working on it too.
Something you guys might find interesting is the white nexus s that has access to the AT&T 3G bands.
Anyways, on topic: Backup your apps using TiBu to your external sd-card. Then plop the new card into your phone, and restore.
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what exactly can we do from unlocking the bootloader
read above a 5th grade level for one (some can do this without an unlocked bootloader)
It has already been posted in a few of the other Moto Device forums but I figured I would share with my community. Breaking News on CNN.com is that Google plans to acquire Motorola Mobility for $12.5 Billion... Here's to hoping and wishing good things come if this all goes tru!!!!
Hopefully this means good things for us, but we may be a bit early to the party lol.
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Possibly, but hopefully not... Here is the latest as per mashable...
http://mashable.com/2011/08/15/google-motorola/
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Words cannot describe how happy this makes me.
Is it such a stretch to think that future phones from motorola, if this goes through, will be open source? That would be awesome!
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It would be nice to think that they would unlock bootloaders and things of that nature but to be honest this is more of a patent grab. I would not be shocked to see them turn around and sell this to someone else after they get what they wanted from it.
So what do you think this means for us?
Hopefully getting rid of the awful motoblur, adding better long term support for devices, and UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER!!!!
What do you guys think we'll get out of this deal?
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So what do you think this means for us?
Hopefully getting rid of the awful motoblur, adding better long term support for devices, and UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER!!!!
What do you guys think we'll get out of this deal?
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I think this deal has been in the works for sometime. Yes, it's the patents, but Google needs a hardware company to call their own; Motorola has good hardware. I am confident that we will get unlocked bootloaders soon; and future stock upgrades of Android straight from Google.
The way Larry Page's blog post reads it is definitely a patent grab, but yes, Google needs a hardware manufacturer. Page states that Moto Mobility will continue to run as a separate company, but having Google as overseer of the goings on at Moto Mobility will definitely provide the dev community with much needed support, as long as the dev community applies the needed pressure...
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397729,00.asp
Essentially saying that it's pretty much dead already.
I never bought the hype around it. Unless Google lays down the law..they will always half ass give updates.
They don't make money upgrading existing devices when they can just crank out new devices with minimal upgrades.
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Yeah I'm surprised they even bothered agreeing to such an 'alliance' when carriers would have to sacrifice their bloatware and faster phone turnover. On the plus side it seems like HTC will be focusing more on quality over quantity. A few mouths back there was an article on them using better camera hardware, another article discussed better sound I believe, and last week I read how they are slimming down the number of devices so they can concentrate more on a smaller lineup.
That being said I would like to see a pure Google phone from HTC/Sprint. Sitting around waiting for them to release OS updates is a joke, not to mention the hoops devs jump through in order to bring us ROMS.
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Yeah I'm surprised they even bothered agreeing to such an 'alliance' when carriers would have to sacrifice their bloatware and faster phone turnover. On the plus side it seems like HTC will be focusing more on quality over quantity. A few mouths back there was an article on them using better camera hardware, another article discussed better sound I believe, and last week I read how they are slimming down the number of devices so they can concentrate more on a smaller lineup.
That being said I would like to see a pure Google phone from HTC/Sprint. Sitting around waiting for them to release OS updates is a joke, not to mention the hoops devs jump through in order to bring us ROMS.
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I'm a huge fan of HTC and Sense, I just don't see HTC making a "Google Phone" with Sense. It'll be another Nexus One.
Truth of the matter is Google can't force OEMs and Carriers to update older devices to whatever is the latest and greatest.
OEMs are not compensated for their add ins (TouchWiz, Sense, etc). If there was some direct compensation by Google they would feel obligated to bring out timely updates.
As some of you know, the OEMs do this to differentiate themselves from the android pack.
Also from a marketing standpoint, it hurts sales if their older models had the newest OS. There would be no incentive to upgrade your handset if it runs everything you already have.
Fragmentation is here to stay unless Google makes OEMs release two different updates for each phone. One with vanilla (working drivers etc) and one with the add-ins.
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Truth of the matter is Google can't force OEMs and Carriers to update older devices to whatever is the latest and greatest.
OEMs are not compensated for their add ins (TouchWiz, Sense, etc). If there was some direct compensation by Google they would feel obligated to bring out timely updates.
As some of you know, the OEMs do this to differentiate themselves from the android pack.
Also from a marketing standpoint, it hurts sales if their older models had the newest OS. There would be no incentive to upgrade your handset if it runs everything you already have.
Fragmentation is here to stay unless Google makes OEMs release two different updates for each phone. One with vanilla (working drivers etc) and one with the add-ins.
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+1.
This is why I love teams like CM who create AOSP roms from source...
Android being so "open" is actually why everything is so fragmented. It won't change...it may even get worse as companies continue tap-dance around it and consumers get tired of asking why. Eventually we'll just accept it.
Sadly, if you want all the updates then you'll have to move away from android.
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+1.
This is why I love teams like CM who create AOSP roms from source...
Android being so "open" is actually why everything is so fragmented. It won't change...it may even get worse as companies continue tap-dance around it and consumers get tired of asking why. Eventually we'll just accept it.
Sadly, if you want all the updates then you'll have to move away from android.
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Or buy a Nexus (just bought my first one)
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Or buy a Nexus (just bought my first one)
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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I was just throwing it out there, as that's the only official method of getting an Android phone that gets immediate updates.
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I was just throwing it out there, as that's the only official method of getting an Android phone that gets immediate updates.
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Yea I know man, I really wasn't trying to be a jackwod about it either.
The whole deal is just an unfortunate circumstance that comes with being an Android owner.
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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Could also get a GSM Nexus and T-mobile or At&t...
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Could also get a GSM Nexus and T-mobile or At&t...
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Which still falls under option 1.
I happen to be under contract and overall happy with what I get from Sprint. Never any nickel and dime surprises on my bill that I got relentlessly from AT&T and Verizon.
We are basically stuck, but it is what it is. Money makes the world go'round and we should be happy we get updates at all I guess..
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Yea I know man, I really wasn't trying to be a jackwod about it either.
The whole deal is just an unfortunate circumstance that comes with being an Android owner.
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Very true. I'd rather be in this situation than be in the iTunes world, that's for sure.
I personally think that CyanogenMod should release their own line of phones.
Why wait and hope for someone to make exactly what we all really want? Just build it.
I do think I would honestly move ASAP to any carrier that allowed a such a phone on their network.
I can only imagine all the hurdles to get over to make it happen, but, wouldn't it be sweet??
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I personally think that CyanogenMod should release their own line of phones.
Why wait and hope for someone to make exactly what we all really want? Just build it.
I do think I would honestly move ASAP to any carrier that allowed a such a phone on their network.
I can only imagine all the hurdles to get over to make it happen, but, wouldn't it be sweet??
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I hope this never happens. Cyanogen would just become another OEM, and would need to make decisions about what phones to upgrade, when to upgrade those phones, and which ones to leave behind. Plus, Cyanogen also needs dev support from members of each type of phone they support. So, if a dev goes to a different phone, the support for that phone will either need to be transferred to another dev, or support may be dropped. Right now, the cyanogen team is on top of the world. I want them to stay there.
What I would like is for manufacturers like motorola and htc to treat their boot loaders more like Samsung, and LG. They don't need to be encrypted.
looks like moto has pushed back ICS to Q4 for the Photon
http://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
I saw the tweet too. MAJOR disappointment, and it looks like I will be turning to Rooting for my ICS fix. (I was prepared to wait it out, but no longer.)
I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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I was plannign to stay with this phone for another year or so, but...
HTC EVO 4G LTE here I come!!!!
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So funny!
that sucks! but not like it matters to me. how many ics roms do we already have that work almost perfect.
Moto Sucks !
ICS is likely a no-go now since next Android version will be out before the end of this year along with brand new devices. Since Sprint has only one Moto phone, who will really care about Photon !
Typical tactics by the vendors and carriers to keep their devices as close to the 18 months mark as possible. Apparently, carriers are expected to update the software within first 18 months of release only. By end of the Q4, it will be almost 18 months.
Funny that officially, the only Moto device that got ICE is the Xoom tablet ... and Google own Motorola !
Time to seriously think about Windows 8 Phone. It is also shaping up to be an interesting OS.
Thank you so much motorola for announcing this AFTER getting the 2.3.5 update, so not only are you not giving me ICS when you said, I can't get it myself either. I liked this phone, but this really pushed me over the edge. HTC or Samsung next.
Honestly it doesn't matter to much. At least now they are in development, so hopefully we can get a soak test. Then we can get the drivers we need.
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Are you kidding me? When I went to get a new phone this spring, getting ICS was a pr-requisite for any phone I looked at. If it doesn't end up with an ICS update, I'm gonna be pissed.
Dont know why anyone didnt see this coming. I said this would happen when they announced ICS and got flamed. Motorola doesnt give two ****s about its customers and they show it every day. Once I get rid of this piece of crap Photon, I will NEVER own another Motorola product.
I was excited to get this phone and its been a complete disappointment.
#screwyoumotorola
Well, that's the problem with Android, isn't it? That it's a complete train wreck. Microsoft and Apple are pissed at Google because Google is giving away their OS while they sell theirs, which allows OEMs to build monster Android phones (i.e. they put the OS cost toward better hardware).
It isn't in the OEMs' best interest to update their phones. Not at all. We are not Motorola's customers. US Cellular is. Sprint is. And the other carriers who buy Motorola phones (and tablets, perhaps). As Motorola's customer, Sprint (to use one) is not best served by last years' phones being updated to the next OS. No, Sprint makes more money if your next device has ICS. That results in a second sale for them. They already sell the phone to you at a serious loss, with a contract. So, why should they support the phone beyond the life of the contract? You buy a Gingerbread phone at a great price. They are hoping you will buy an ICS phone at a great price in two years.
To the carriers, Android smartphones are evolving too fast. Updates are coming out faster than they are comfortable with. They like the iPhone model better -- fewer than half a dozen devices, all the same basic hardware, easy update. Same with WP7/WP8 to come, so few devices. And of course higher costs = higher profits.
Meanwhile, the developers at XDA and the like help you extend your phone's life. I have ICS on my Electrify (Photon) and it's awesome. When I got it, everybody was saying it couldn't be unlocked. But somebody figured it out. Now I'm running CM9 (ICS) and it's given my phone a completely unnecessary kick in the pants. I didn't think there was much room for improvement (and maybe a CM7-based, Blur-free ROM would have been a good choice, as well) but it's really lit a fire under my phone's, eh, kickstand.
I understand that people want to jump to HTC or Samsung. I say go ahead. It's not in the best interests of either of those companies to get you ICS sooner than later, either. Motorola makes the best radio out of any of the three. If you want upgrades sooner, I think your absolute best bet is to get a Nexus straight from Google, but those may be GSM-only? Even if one is CDMA, I doubt US Cellular will activate it for me. So that will not work in my case, I don't think. I think the best thing for everybody is a place where developers can come together and work on custom ROMs for these phones and be thanked or even donated to by those who can... hmm... a place kind of like this one.
Can't say I'm shocked.
Lame!
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To postpone it in hopes that people buy the next photon or whatever, and hide behind how "difficult" it is to push this out, is one thing..
but to also come out with a 2.3.5 update that completely prevents people from customizing their phones and make due with some unofficial ics fun till the real thing comes, is a pretty shtty move.
Are they saying "Boo!" or "Booo-urns!"?
Doesn't surprise me one bit. How many devices other then the Nexus see more then 2 software updates? Maybe 1 or 2,if they're a flagship device and they break some sales record. Even if you buy a high end device there's no guarantee anymore you'll get any future updates regardless of what the companies behind it say.
Considering that 2 of the DROID devices got cut from the list I don't expect us to get the official update at all
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
me too
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I was holding off on running an ICS ROM on my phone to wait for the official update.
This is why my next device will be my first iPhone. I already own a 3rd gen iPod Touch and I STILL get the latest updates for it straight from Apple. I love the fact that when Apple pushes out an update, it's not for just one device, but for all of them! They all come out on the same day so there is no waiting for "when's it gonna be my turn".
I really think Google needs to take a more proactive approach to the Android updates.
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I totally agree. I too was waiting for the ICS update before installing a custom ROM. Guess I have no more reason to wait.
However I would never want an "I" product.
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the problem is the carrier.
That being said, they probably have enough leverage in the marketplace to put mandates on carriers.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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So you think ICS is done and Sprint is holding things up? Yea, right.
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I was wrong saying carrier only. Its carrier/manufacturer.
Android ICS "code" is done. It would be an easy push if all devices were Nexus. The holdup is motorola adding their flavors like blur, and carriers with their requirements and bloatware.
I am an atrix user and i looked at all the atrix,photon and electr. forums and i suggezt we should create a topic to fight togeather against the Motofail. Also everibody should chech the other forums on the moto page to let em know they are suck!
Edit 1: somebody has been put up a moto conversation on the forum, and they said they won't update becouse of the hardware..thats ridiculous!
But on the other hand some of us thinks that the google cancelled the update thanks to debian linux.. (aka webtop)
Edit 2: you should check out the general atrix forums for ideas and support. We could win togeather!
Thank you!
(Sorry for bad eng)
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I agree, we have to work together on this. But what can we do?
You'll get a better response if you make a proper thread title...
We could find the review section of every new moto phone on all the different carriers and bombard it terrible awful (two star not one) reviews... Just a myriad of reception battery stability hardware problems that make people stay with samsung or HTC.
"I really liked this phone but... godawful experience 123" "It has such a great battery life but..."
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I agree, we have to work together on this. But what can we do?
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Sh!t on the coats. I'm sorry, I'm just...this needs to settle in. I'm with you guys till the bitter end though.
It though kinda makes sense though, do you think they will skip ICS and get JB - The list was only for ICS Kinda made sense since why upgrade us directly to ICS > JB
This is not the ICS rollout page, this is the Motorola upgrade page, the MOTOROLA XOOM will see a Jellybean Upgrade on that page. "Will remain at GB" does not mean "Will not be getting ICS, May be getting JB" It means "Will remain at GB"
I hate to be a buzz kill but the effort might be rather pointless. We're dead in the water folks, abandoned by Moto and Google.
I'd be shocked if we ever get any support past today
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https://plus.google.com/+PunitSoni/
Go tell the bastard. Flood him.
Not that it will help much but I put up a motonomore.com . I figured myself and anyone else can complain and cry and Motorola and Google can't edit anything. Maybe with a bunch of No More Motorola posts Google will either close their doors on Motorola or make them honor their lies.
Google and Motorola Mobility and the Dialer security vulnerability.
Reading other threads about the dialer vulnerability, I think Google and Motorola Mobility are now obligated to patch the Dialer + Browser security vulnerability. There are thousands if not millions of users vulnerable and if not upgrading us allows this to exist, then they have a class action lawsuit brewing. I honestly think Google should seriously consider their subsidiarys actions before this starts screwing the people with more money and legal advantages.
Motorola Mobility is evil and therefore Google is evil. ****ing crooks.
We should complain on the motos site cause if we do it here nothing will happen
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https://plus.google.com/+PunitSoni/
Go tell the bastard. Flood him.
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Already done #MotoFail
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Is harassing the new guy at MMI really going to help us? That's pathetic. Sure, I believe everyone at Motorola and Google need to understand that they let us all down, but I personally draw the line at flooding their social media accounts. Just wanted to put that out there. No need to debate it, that's just what I think. While I'm at it, posting false reviews for any phone is also a low blow. Now if you want to post a review that says that Motorola doesn't support their phones and that the phone will never see an upgrade... be my guest. Because that's honest.
I actually blame the Android community for stuff like this. The Sunfire is a great phone, and we all know it can run JB, at least AOSP JB. Maybe not JellyBlur, whenever that comes out, but AOSP JB, not a problem. We know because we've done it, and if Motorola released the source or whatever it is the devs need, and the transition/scrolling stuttering was wiped out, and the camera and camcorder worked... well, it would be awesome. But look, you can run Holo Launcher and Notification Toggle on the stock ROM (or CM7) and it will run fine. I don't think this gets you the best battery life, but it's acceptable. Now compare a Sunfire (either Photon or Electrify, it doesn't matter once you unlock) with the best phone on the market. I guess GS3 or Note 2. Is One X still a contender? What's the difference? Does Angry Birds: Space load a few seconds faster? They both run great and do pretty much whatever you need. But yet we tend to push for the next big thing while disrespecting those who are fine with last year's big thing. So is it really any surprise when Motorola abandons last year's big thing to focus on the next big thing? Not to me it isn't. But we don't want to slow down too much and retard the development like Apple has. We don't want to be 2-3 years behind. What we want, I feel safe saying, is a smartphone ecosystem where competent phones from the last few years can still get updates, as long as they can legitimately handle them.
Personally, I'd be willing to pay for these updates. Why should Motorola bring us ICS, when they could just have us buy their next phone? What if enough of us agreed to split the difference, and pay for the upgrade? Considering people are paying $15-20 for that one launcher, don't you think people would pay $35-40 for a software update? Granted, it would have to be prompt. I wouldn't pay $40 for ICS. Make it JB and I'll buy two (one for me, one for my wife). I'm perfectly willing to pay for software. I'm not asking for something for nothing.
But hey, at least we can get $100 towards a new Motorola phone that will never be upgraded to KLP if we turn in our phone and switch to Big Red, eh?
it really bad news for me, why?
i'm living in ukraine, not in USA where i can buy phones for contract, we have another prices on phones, with very big difference in money, and so, now i must.. sell my phone, and buy something new.. ok, thx moto, good phone, bad company.
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Is harassing the new guy at MMI really going to help us? That's pathetic. Sure, I believe everyone at Motorola and Google need to understand that they let us all down, but I personally draw the line at flooding their social media accounts. Just wanted to put that out there. No need to debate it, that's just what I think. While I'm at it, posting false reviews for any phone is also a low blow. Now if you want to post a review that says that Motorola doesn't support their phones and that the phone will never see an upgrade... be my guest. Because that's honest.
I actually blame the Android community for stuff like this. The Sunfire is a great phone, and we all know it can run JB, at least AOSP JB. Maybe not JellyBlur, whenever that comes out, but AOSP JB, not a problem. We know because we've done it, and if Motorola released the source or whatever it is the devs need, and the transition/scrolling stuttering was wiped out, and the camera and camcorder worked... well, it would be awesome. But look, you can run Holo Launcher and Notification Toggle on the stock ROM (or CM7) and it will run fine. I don't think this gets you the best battery life, but it's acceptable. Now compare a Sunfire (either Photon or Electrify, it doesn't matter once you unlock) with the best phone on the market. I guess GS3 or Note 2. Is One X still a contender? What's the difference? Does Angry Birds: Space load a few seconds faster? They both run great and do pretty much whatever you need. But yet we tend to push for the next big thing while disrespecting those who are fine with last year's big thing. So is it really any surprise when Motorola abandons last year's big thing to focus on the next big thing? Not to me it isn't. But we don't want to slow down too much and retard the development like Apple has. We don't want to be 2-3 years behind. What we want, I feel safe saying, is a smartphone ecosystem where competent phones from the last few years can still get updates, as long as they can legitimately handle them.
Personally, I'd be willing to pay for these updates. Why should Motorola bring us ICS, when they could just have us buy their next phone? What if enough of us agreed to split the difference, and pay for the upgrade? Considering people are paying $15-20 for that one launcher, don't you think people would pay $35-40 for a software update? Granted, it would have to be prompt. I wouldn't pay $40 for ICS. Make it JB and I'll buy two (one for me, one for my wife). I'm perfectly willing to pay for software. I'm not asking for something for nothing.
But hey, at least we can get $100 towards a new Motorola phone that will never be upgraded to KLP if we turn in our phone and switch to Big Red, eh?
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Well Said......
I will agree, at the end of the day I need reliable hardware with good reception out here in the "sticks".
zansatsu said:
Reading other threads about the dialer vulnerability, I think Google and Motorola Mobility are now obligated to patch the Dialer + Browser security vulnerability. There are thousands if not millions of users vulnerable and if not upgrading us allows this to exist, then they have a class action lawsuit brewing. I honestly think Google should seriously consider their subsidiarys actions before this starts screwing the people with more money and legal advantages.
Motorola Mobility is evil and therefore Google is evil. ****ing crooks.
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Google still has nothing to do with Motorola at this point. You have no one to blame but Motorola. They've pulled this stuff for many many years now.
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Dark Reality said:
I actually blame the Android community for stuff like this. The Sunfire is a great phone, and we all know it can run JB, at least AOSP JB. Maybe not JellyBlur, whenever that comes out, but AOSP JB, not a problem. We know because we've done it, and if Motorola released the source or whatever it is the devs need, and the transition/scrolling stuttering was wiped out, and the camera and camcorder worked... well, it would be awesome.
They both run great and do pretty much whatever you need. But yet we tend to push for the next big thing while disrespecting those who are fine with last year's big thing. So is it really any surprise when Motorola abandons last year's big thing to focus on the next big thing? Not to me it isn't. But we don't want to slow down too much and retard the development like Apple has. We don't want to be 2-3 years behind. What we want, I feel safe saying, is a smartphone ecosystem where competent phones from the last few years can still get updates, as long as they can legitimately handle them.
Personally, I'd be willing to pay for these updates. Why should Motorola bring us ICS, when they could just have us buy their next phone? What if enough of us agreed to split the difference, and pay for the upgrade? Considering people are paying $15-20 for that one launcher, don't you think people would pay $35-40 for a software update? Granted, it would have to be prompt. I wouldn't pay $40 for ICS. Make it JB and I'll buy two (one for me, one for my wife). I'm perfectly willing to pay for software. I'm not asking for something for nothing.
But hey, at least we can get $100 towards a new Motorola phone that will never be upgraded to KLP if we turn in our phone and switch to Big Red, eh?
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While I agree to some of your points, I have to disagree largely with most.
Why should I have to pay for an update that should be part of the phone?
Its ridiculous.
I don't need gaming or a few extra benchmark points.
But I do want to enjoy the new features of the software. And in this case, the Atrix and Photon are both capable of running ICS and JB effectively.
ICS code was released last November; 11 months ago!!!!
An ICS upgrade should have been released in April; or by June at the very latest.
It was not considered last year's big thing until Moto let so much time pass by.
Delaying it for so long and then saying that the phones are old and EOL, simply breaks customer confidence in the company.
There is just no excuse for doing that.
Here's what disgusts me:
1. What is the deal with the locked bootloaders? Why can HTC and Samsung sell phones that are so easily unlocked but Motorola not only has to lock theirs down tight, but when someone figures out how to get around it they go out of their way to release a minor update that patches the bootloader hole.
2. And then to top it off, they then cut off access to ICS or JB. WTF? If you don't want to provide us with an OEM ICS update, did you also have to lock the f'ing bootloaders down so tight that we can't either? This is what I really struggle to understand - whose phone is it? Is it not mine? I paid for it (and don't feed me the crap about the carrier "subsidizing it", that is a lie they push to force people into two year contracts) so why can't I load whatever software I want on it? Can you imagine buying a Dell or an HP laptop or computer and not having administrator access to your own computer? Or being told by Dell I can't load Windows 8 or Ubuntu Linux, that I have to stay on Vista or some crap? Hell, on my Xoom tablet I have to go through some BS process to get root access and it's a Wifi-only Xoom (so no lies about carrier subsidy - I paid full freight for the tablet). Why would it be locked down?
3. If they want to stick with the two-year contract deal, then they need to support the phone for two years. If a group of people who have jobs and school to attend can come up with custom roms with no access to source code, etc. then paid engineers with access to nVidia, Google, etc. resources can make an update and it doesn't take 9 months to do so. My Xoom had JB like two weeks after Google announced it.
I don't care how anyone wants to spin it, Motorola and Sprint absolutely fu'ed everyone who bought that phone. Mine did not function normally. I would have days where I would suddenly stop getting texts and had to do a battery pull and restart the phone and then would suddenly start getting them. I have no SBF available to me if I want to wipe the device and start fresh. I am running bone stock (I have 2.3.5 so I have no choice)
In Indianapolis, Sprint users have been paying that ripoff "Premium Data" fee for absolutely lousy 3G speeds and three Clearwire towers that I have connected to for a total of ten minutes in two years. I can't stream Pandora or Google Music at the gym or in my car. Unlimited data means nothing to me when I have to sip it through a 120 kbps straw. So Motorola, Sprint, Google and any other users can spin this any way they want but it is a giant, steaming pile of $hit that they just handed us.
Google bought Motorola for its patent portfolio. Otherwise, Motorola operates as a separate entity.
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