Ok, so the X10a kits are finally starting to roll out.
I am running an X10i rom (Wolfbreak) on my Att X10a and I was thinking of flashing X10a AM-US GENERIC 1233-8200 but then I thought of something...
If kernel and baseband are the same what is the difference between kits?
Just some lines in build.prop and different bloatware?
If I knew all of the specific differences and none are baseband or kernel related then I could put together an xrecovery package to X10a-ize my rom and not have to mess with flashtool again and hopefully keep root and the tweaks,etc. (not to mention my user data).
So what are the specific differences and would that be possible?
If the baseband and kernel are the same, then it is basically pointless
Then why bother with all these kits?
To change some lines in build.prop and add different filler apps?! Are there no area-specific frequencies or channels or whatever that need to be defined?
And I am correct in saying that the kernel & baseband are identical, right?
AyDee said:
Then why bother with all these kits?
To change some lines in build.prop and add different filler apps?! Are there no area-specific frequencies or channels or whatever that need to be defined?
And I am correct in saying that the kernel & baseband are identical, right?
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Yep they are..
X10i = HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
X10a = HSDPA 800 / 850 / 1900 / 2100
Hardware is the same but the baseband is different in the sense that certain frequencies are disabled and others enabled this saves battery power in terms of scanning.
kindred7 said:
X10i = HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
X10a = HSDPA 800 / 850 / 1900 / 2100
Hardware is the same but the baseband is different in the sense that certain frequencies are disabled and others enabled this saves battery power in terms of scanning.
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That is not at all correct. .
It is the hardware that does this (the radio) the baseband is not changed
The two phones have different hardware (internal radio)
Indeed they do, my mistake. You get a cookie
Almost
You guys almost got me all excited. I'm on a third party carrier with an x10a that uses T-Mobiles network. Almost had me thinking there could be a software work around to get 3G out of it. Oh well.
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Pardon me for asking but this has bugged me for a while:
I doubt if the Raphael is really produced in two hardware versions: one that supports UMTS 900/2100 MHz in Europe and another that supports UMTS 1900/850 MHz in the US?
Do any of the European friends here flash the Radio ROM v1.14.25.35 (extracted from AT&T ROM in the US) to their European version of the Raphael and with a tweak in the registry key
HKLM\Software\OEM\PhoneSetting\BandType
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"ItemName2"="UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)"
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i.e., to make the UMTS 900 MHz band known to the machine, are able to connect to their 900 MHz 3G network properly?
Apparently, the 900 MHz UMTS band was not included in the default BandType after the American AT&T Radio ROM is flashed.
This is actually a very good & important question & point. Particullarly with the newer devices that are comiing out. In an effort to streamline production, HTC has changed somewhat the way the restrict devices from operating on different bands. Now you find that even CDMA & GSM device are able or would be able to operate, strictly speaking of hardware, on one or the other network except for the firmware. According to FCC documents, HTC is locking devices to networks via the firmware. This may make it possible to opperate any device on any network give that there is a place to insert the sim card.
I am using the new radio, & I have been able to use it on both the US & EU gsm frequencies. You can selct the band you want, but you need to use the band switch program as the EU band has been disabled via the registry, but it still exists within the radio firmware.
GSLEON3 said:
In an effort to streamline production, HTC has changed somewhat the way the restrict devices from operating on different bands...HTC is locking devices to networks via the firmware...I am using the new radio, & I have been able to use it on both the US & EU gsm frequencies
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Thanks, gsleon3 for your input. I have this doubt because many people on this boards mention cross-flashing and the issues with two different hardware versions; whereas, according to Section 1.1 on "Product Features" of the Raphael Service Manual, the hardware itself supports HSPA/UMTS on 5 bands, i.e., 850, 900, 1700, 1900 and 2100 MHz and GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 4 bands, i.e., 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz. Raphaels are produced in different SKUs with some bands selectively enabled, though.
I'm in Germany w/ a German O2 XDA and I've flashed the new radios with no problems. I haven't flashed to .25.35 yet, but probably will tonight.
[EDIT] Just installed .25.35, and it works 100%. We'll see about battery life tomorrow... [/EDIT]
Drew
What are the differences between the X10i and X10a? I know the Canadian version (x10a) has a different radio then the X10i (Europe).
This is the Only Differences I could find.
X10I......... GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100 .................... HSDPA 7.2 Mbit
X10A........ GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS800, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100 ...... HSDPA 10.2 Mbit
Is there else anything that might be different??
As far as i know, no.
Only the 3G frequency which is different in north america (well, only for some carriers).
Rogers, afaik is using 850 so you need X10a otherway no 3G
i think the HSDPA speeds are the same for both, the only difference is one of the 3G bands
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - X10a for Americas
Is there a way to convert between the X10i and the X10a?
Please advise if there is a tutorial link or something.
Thank you for your help.
Regards L
You can't do that.. maybe if you change the Chip..
X10a has 800/850/1900/2100 WCDMA and quad band GSM/EDGE
X10i has 900/1700/2100 WCDMA and quad band GSM/EDGE
'a' uses QSD8650 processor 'i' uses QSD8250
800 WCDMA band if anyone wonders is for DoCoMo in Japan.
Hello. How can I identify which one I have?
Thanks!
Check label under battery
leobg said:
Check label under battery
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...or check the box it came with. It should be written above the IMEI and serial # barcodes.
Service menu to look up model info
RSchmauk said:
Hello. How can I identify which one I have?
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Or to bring up the service menu when the screen with the slider is up (screen locked),
Press Menu Back Back Menu Back Menu Menu Back
(Menu is the first button from the left, Back is the last)
It's under Service Info > Model Info
X10 in Canada
In this case, for the Canadian market, I believe the X10i is compatible with Wind Mobile (1700), while X10a is with Rogers/Fido/Chatr. Am I wrong?
you are correct, for HSPA rogers, bell, and telus are all on the 850 and use x10a
wind mobile has the same frequency as t-mobile USA so x10i would work. however wind mobile is only available in select very few markets
I have a X10i and can receive 3G on Rogers in Canada. On the side of my box it says UMTS/HSPA Band 1/2/5/6 (Along with the quad band GSM), can someone explain to me what the numbers mean?
odd ...
That's odd because I have a x10i and it says UMTS/HSPA 1/4/8
I also don't know what these numbers mean so basically have the same question.
Where did you get yours from? And are you sure it is a X10i and are you sure you have 3G? Does the data connection icon say "G" or "3G"? I'm asking because based on previous discussion, x10i is not supposed to work on Rogers so I'm very surprised.
Right underneath the bands mine says SV, DA, FI, NO which I believe stands for Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway as their localization codes.
It says 3G beside the signal bar, and here are picts of my service menu:
The service menu says I have an X10i
Here are the bands it supports, the service menu has the same band numbers as on my box:
Bought the phone used for the wife. So can anyone explain the band numbers?, as I am not familiar with SE phones, I have always used HTC
According to the UMTS bands table from wikipedia, those numbers mean 2100, 1900, 850, 800
I can't post the link because I'm a new user and the system doesn't allow me to post the links but if you wikipedia umts you'll find it.
I didn't know different x10i's could support different bands. I wonder if this means a different hardware as well or just a software change. Anyone?
I maybe wrong but I did read of people changing the firmware from the 10a to the 10i this will NOT change the radios.. simple way to check is to look under the battery label as the software can be changed.
kiru said:
It says 3G beside the signal bar, and here are picts of my service menu:
The service menu says I have an X10i
Here are the bands it supports, the service menu has the same band numbers as on my box:
Bought the phone used for the wife. So can anyone explain the band numbers?, as I am not familiar with SE phones, I have always used HTC
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I used to have an Xperia X1a, and everytime i did flash a rom, my phone was always a x1i, but was fully functional, what i need to do was copy a simple modelname.txt file to the windows folder with x1a in it, and the phone became a x1a, i think that the model we get on the about screen is from some file on the rom, but what really defines the model is the hardware, not the sticker from behind.
my 2 cents
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According to the UMTS bands table from wikipedia, those numbers mean 2100, 1900, 850, 800
I can't post the link because I'm a new user and the system doesn't allow me to post the links but if you wikipedia umts you'll find it.
I didn't know different x10i's could support different bands. I wonder if this means a different hardware as well or just a software change. Anyone?
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Thanks for the info! So does this mean that I really have an X10a that had been flashed? Sorry for the newbie questions, but this is the first time for me playing with an Andriod device. In my phone settings "About phone" is says:
Model Number - X10i
Firmware Version - 1.6 (I assume this is the Andriod version)
Baseband Version - 1.0.10
Kernal Version - 2.6.29-rel
Build Number - R1FA010
Is the build number the Andriod release number? ie. like windows mobile, there is wm6 with build 23xxx?
(I have never flashed the phone since I got it)
for changing from x10i to x10a and vice versa but there r a problem Flashing your Xperia X10i to X10a (and vice versa) will result in SEUS not being able to update your phone for future updates
sry am a new user so send me an email and i'll send u the link
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OK done some checking here and did not find a thread about this so I will ask.
I am not the most technical guy but I did manage to successfully unlock my rogers x10a and root it from the x10a to x10i. I was under the impression that if rooted to x10i I would be able to use this phone with Wind. The issue is that wind uses aws 1700/2100 frequency which I read that x10i supports and if rooted would enable those frequencies.
Most of what I have read has been mixed. Some claim they have their rogers x10a working on the wind network after rooting to x10i and some say it won't work.
For me it does not work. I put in my Wind sim card and all I can get is Wind Away and not Wind Home. I am not sure if the reason is it can't be done or I am missing a step somewhere. I know the apn setting but entering them and saving them made no difference.
I would just like to know if its possible and if anyone has been successful using there x10 with Wind?
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Hey gmaronski,
As long as it supports the AWS 1700/2100 frequency it will work. By looking at the specs from www.gsmarena.com it appears that it should work. The mini and mini pro look like they would not though. Hope this helps.
Have a great day.
Gail, WIND Specialist
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I have this phone on Wind. There are two versions of this phone, x10a (Rogers) and x10i (rest of the world), and as long as you get an x10i, it will work on Wind.
Sorry bad news.
Wind operates on UMTS Band 4 which is known as AWS and operates 1700up / 2100 down. Don't be confused by the 2100 when looking at phone specs, this is a 1700 band. When 2100 is mentioned in phone specs it means Band 1 which is knows as IMT.
X10A supports Bands 1, 2, 5, 6 (2100, 1900, 850, 800)
X10I supports bands 1, 4, 8 (2100, 1700, 900)
Wind is soley band 4, so if you want to have Wind service you will need an X10I.
Changing firmware to X10I WILL NOT change your phone to x10i, this is determined by a hardware chip on the phone, changing software will not change this.
Thanks for the explanation
OK that seems logical to me. Its very confusing though when you read comments like this.
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Carrier:Windbasically the x10i is running on the bands of "HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100" and the x10a (north american version) is running on the bands of "HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 / 800" now what you can do is flash an x10a with an x10i's firmware and vise versa and that firmware will activate the 1700 band on an x10a if you get what I mean. the radios are interchangeable on each models. for example i've got an x10i and flashed it to an x10a now i'm able to get 3G with Rogers rather than 3G on WIND with the 1700 band because now the phone is acting like its an x10a.
This guy is saying flashing the firmware activates the bands needed for wind. I wish people would know what they are talking about before they write these stupid comments.
X10a does not work with wind. Even if you flash a x10a with the x10i firmware. An x10a will not work with wind. Unless you physically change the antenna on the x10a with the x10i antenna.
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Yes I know from personal experience and Balur's and your comments reinforced it. I was only hoping I was wrong. Guess I will stay with fido for this Phone and Wind for my HTC.
Thanks for the comments.
it is possible to flash software and activate AWS.But I am not sure on X10
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OK that seems logical to me. Its very confusing though when you read comments like this.
Phone Collector Join Date:Aug 2009
Location:Edmonton
Posts:155
Carrier:Windbasically the x10i is running on the bands of "HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100" and the x10a (north american version) is running on the bands of "HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 / 800" now what you can do is flash an x10a with an x10i's firmware and vise versa and that firmware will activate the 1700 band on an x10a if you get what I mean. the radios are interchangeable on each models. for example i've got an x10i and flashed it to an x10a now i'm able to get 3G with Rogers rather than 3G on WIND with the 1700 band because now the phone is acting like its an x10a.
This guy is saying flashing the firmware activates the bands needed for wind. I wish people would know what they are talking about before they write these stupid comments.
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I Have ersonally activated the Aws band on A NOTE ,Note 2, LG Optimus 2 and I will be trying it on a galaxy s3 I747m
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OK done some checking here and did not find a thread about this so I will ask.
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I have never heard of this working on a X10 but....
For the xperia ion if you SIM unlock it then flash the i version stock ftf, it unlocks bands blocked by att.
Maybe a SIM unlock is required.
... In the AT&T and International versions of the Atrix... why can we not enable HSPA/UMTS on 900MHz through flashing radios or other software means?
Edit: Phone is an unlocked AT&T version on O2 UK with O2 sim.
Because the 900MHz band that the Atrix uses is part of the quad-band GSM, which is 2G/EDGE, not UMTS. Those are two different standards.
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... In the AT&T and International versions of the Atrix... why can we not enable HSPA/UMTS on 900MHz through flashing radios or other software means?
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Because the 900MHz band that the Atrix uses is part of the quad-band GSM, which is 2G/EDGE, not UMTS. Those are two different standards.
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But the international supports UMTS/WCDMA/3G/3.5/HSDPA/HSPA/HSPA+ on 900mhz going by all of the spec sheets I read.
UTMS is 3G. HSDPA is 3.5. A standard of WCDMA. HSPA is another WCDMA standard which again is a 3G Technology (3.7G?)... Either way they all come off the same 3G cell
Atrix International: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Atrix AT&T: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
Same hardware. Why can it not be enabled?
I don't know about the other bands but you specifically mentioned the 900MHz band so that was what I was talking about.
More than likely the carriers have locked the radios and/or hardware. It's like other carrier's world phones will not work on AT&T/T-mobile, even though they technically can support those bands.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ask-ac-what-happens-if-i-put-att-sim-card-motorola-photon-4g
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-droid-pro-work-att
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But the international supports UMTS/WCDMA/3G/3.5/HSDPA/HSPA/HSPA+ on 900mhz going by all of the spec sheets I read.
UTMS is 3G. HSDPA is 3.5. A standard of WCDMA. HSPA is another WCDMA standard which again is a 3G Technology (3.7G?)... Either way they all come off the same 3G cell
Atrix International: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
Atrix AT&T: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 | 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
Same hardware. Why can it not be enabled?
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I'll also add, there are a couple of threads on here that report that people have flashed other radios and seemed to have enabled access to 3G technologies on 900mhz.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18820309&postcount=22.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19879245&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15811026&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991912
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I don't know about the other bands but you specifically mentioned the 900MHz band so that was what I was talking about.
More than likely the carriers have locked the radios and/or hardware. It's like other carrier's world phones will not work on AT&T/T-mobile, even though they technically can support those bands.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ask-ac-what-happens-if-i-put-att-sim-card-motorola-photon-4g
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-droid-pro-work-att
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Thing is, its an unlocked AT&T phone on O2, and I want to take advantage of their new "Superfast 3G 900" network..
Maybe I should have made clear in the first post... woops.
Okay, the first two links do not show any proof they got it working on UMTS 900MHz band.
In this thread, the OP last updated his post (on Oct 8th) stating that he is stuck on EDGE:
Read post #1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313485
Again, in this thread, the OP (in post #3) says that he never got it working and the last person to comment (post #7) only says they got it working on the 2100MHz band, not 900MHz:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19879245#post19879245
In your last two links (which come from the same thread) only one person "says" they got it working but provided no proof or means:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15811026#post15811026
I wish I could help. I'm not saying it's impossible but as far as I know, 3G (HSPA/UMTS/WCDMA) can't be done on the 900MHz band if you're using an AT&T Atrix.
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I'll also add, there are a couple of threads on here that report that people have flashed other radios and seemed to have enabled access to 3G technologies on 900mhz.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18820309&postcount=22.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19879245&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15811026&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991912
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Okay, the first two links do not show any proof they got it working on UMTS 900MHz band.
In this thread, the OP last updated his post (on Oct 8th) stating that he is stuck on EDGE:
Read post #1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313485
Again, in this thread, the OP (in post #3) says that he never got it working and the last person to comment (post #7) only says they got it working on the 2100MHz band, not 900MHz:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19879245#post19879245
In your last two links (which come from the same thread) only one person "says" they got it working but provided no proof or means:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15811026#post15811026
I wish I could help. I'm not saying it's impossible but as far as I know, 3G (HSPA/UMTS/WCDMA) can't be done on the 900MHz band if you're using an AT&T Atrix.
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There doesn't seem to be any logic to why other than software as the radios taken out of all firmwares work on both versions. The only logical answer is software (if I could SBF flash a UK firmware, not CWM that would help, but there was other differences with the mainboard right?), or its the same chip just slightly modified without that band included.
I was mooching around system folders trying to find anything that could give me a clue, but to no avail.
I think it has something to do with what module is used, which is a hardware component. I know the AT&T Atrix uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 but I have no idea what other versions use.
I might be wrong though.
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There doesn't seem to be any logic to why other than software as the radios taken out of all firmwares work on both versions. The only logical answer is software (if I could SBF flash a UK firmware, not CWM that would help, but there was other differences with the mainboard right?), or its the same chip just slightly modified without that band included.
I was mooching around system folders trying to find anything that could give me a clue, but to no avail.
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I think it has something to do with what module is used, which is a hardware component. I know the AT&T Atrix uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 but I have no idea what other versions use.
I might be wrong though.
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Indeed, so logic would say that if we flash international radios for a different module (if they are different) would soft brick the phone or cause the phone to no get any kind of reception what so ever.
I do find the international radios and att radios (other than the stock and 1.87) make the H+ signal level not go over 1 bar.
I'm not sure about bricking the device but I know they usually have those radios locked down pretty good which is why most people need to buy unlock codes or get their carrier to unlock their phones for them. It's not very common that end users can crack them.
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Indeed, so logic would say that if we flash international radios for a different module (if they are different) would soft brick the phone or cause the phone to no get any kind of reception what so ever.
I do find the international radios and att radios (other than the stock and 1.87) make the H+ signal level not go over 1 bar.
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I'm not sure about bricking the device but I know they usually have those radios locked down pretty good which is why most people need to buy unlock codes or get their carrier to unlock their phones for them. It's not very common that end users can crack them.
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SIM Lock and Radio locks are two completely different things. SIM locks are easy to break with a £10 note and a guy with some device, a radio lock is more difficult we dunno if its hardware or software.
Has anyone got an international/uk/europe Atrix that they'd kindly tear to pieces to see if its the same cellular modem?
Can i flash st18a with this one>ST18i_4.1.B.0.587_CE_1252-3693?
If not, where can i get st18a stock firmware?
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/35239
I don't think there's a significant change.
android addicts said:
I don't think there's a significant change.
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Where exactly are the differences noted? Does it affect ability and accessibility to get 2G, 3G, or 4G frequencies?
eonix said:
Where exactly are the differences noted? Does it affect ability and accessibility to get 2G, 3G, or 4G frequencies?
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You can check gsmarena for the specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_ray-3972.php
As far as i know, you don't need to worry about the firmware, as there doesn't appear to be country or carrier speciffic versions of the baseband.
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You can check gsmarena for the specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_ray-3972.php
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Yes, but the ST18i and ST18a are different precisely because their hardware (radio) can only operate on certain frequencies, i.e.
3G Network
ST18i - HSDPA 900 / 2100
ST18a - HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100