Hey guys,
while we wait for Oleg I was wondering how many people actually would switch to Android for good, if everything will be working? So if modem, sensors etc. will work, will you leave Bada behind and only use Android?
Well I have to say that once everything will work I think that I won`t use Bada anymore, simply because there aren`t a lot of useful apps for it. Bada is really good but that`s it, Android, on the other hand is superb because it has a lot of useful apps and that`s what makes it so special.
So tell me what you think...
to answer ur qs first we should wiat for full bada 2.0 and second to see if android gonna work 100% on wave..
if everything is working and its stable and fast of course i would choose android.
I dont want change to android cause i want give a chance to bada remember Android begin like Bada.
But i have big deception with Bada2 i preferred they add new technology on Bada 1.2 and some trick too from BADA 2 !!!
When i look Bada 2 i see just new interface with great animation and sound !!!
Why they dont do improvement like Dolphin and ActionScript3 from Bada 2 on Bada 1.2 there's way make me happy and opensource interface to make new design GUI !!!!
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I dont want change to android cause i want give a chance to bada remember Android begin like Bada.
But i have big deception with Bada2 i preferred they add new technology on Bada 1.2 and some trick too from BADA 2 !!!
When i look Bada 2 i see just new interface with great animation and sound !!!
Why they dont do improvement like Dolphin and ActionScript3 from Bada 2 on Bada 1.2 there's way make me happy and opensource interface to make new design GUI !!!!
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Yeah Open Source would be great and I would stay on Bada, too, if there would be more apps. When I bought the phone I thought that in a year or so there will be a lot of useful apps for the Wave but almost all devs just develop stuff for IOS or Android which is a big disadvantage for Bada.
I am quite satisfied with Bada, but after using Android for almost a month, I think it is better than samsung OS.
So yes, I would probably switch definitively to Android.
This said, I want to wait for bada 2.0 before doing anything!
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if that happens (everything works think) My choise is absolutely Android. I'm really enjoying using android on my wave even that useless version(no fence). I said that useless bcause modem and battery charge don't work. But even if that happens (just modem and battery charge) I will switch to android immediately!
If bada 2.0 will satiusfied me like jid..... i will not leaving it.
However, if this does not improve I will be happy to switch to Android
I would definitely leave Bada, for me it's crap.
your guys are funny, arent you but anyway, never would change to an os cause of apps, sometimes i think about it, but than i remember the other bad things about android and so the decision is easy, never ever android.
its my thinking dont critizize it.
as soon as i can, i will buy an android (probably few months later, waiting for nexus prime) but i will not sell my wave. i will keep both of them. I will use wave as my secondary phone.
IMHO any proprietory OS that doesn't have the focus of the parent company is doomed.
Look at Symbian probably the most dominant OS in smartphones for years, once the consortium collapsed the OS is all but dead.
Android provides a much better development path.
Having said that unless there is a greater following then the android developers here may become frustrated and decide to stop with a nearly 100% offering.
The wave for my mind was a very good peice of hardware, reasonably priced just let down by the OS. I'd switch from my x10 tomorrow if the wave had a fully functional 2.3 on it.
I will never leave BADA.
Waiting for Bada 2.....
yes i will
yes,for sure
HELL YES. Admittedly I would be happier if it was 2.3.* but considering the fact that due to the 850mhz (Australian Telstra and a few other telcos around the world) I'm limited to Bada 1.0.2. I would leave it's sorry ass faster than my ex-wife. Hell when it works I'll start making plans to personally catch up with Oleg and everyone responsible for all their time and effort and personally shout drinks.
Jingles.
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HELL YES. Admittedly I would be happier if it was 2.3.* but considering the fact that due to the 850mhz (Australian Telstra and a few other telcos around the world) I'm limited to Bada 1.0.2. I would leave it's sorry ass faster than my ex-wife. Hell when it works I'll start making plans to personally catch up with Oleg and everyone responsible for all their time and effort and personally shout drinks.
Jingles.
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Nicely said
but I think that this project kind of came to an end because of the modem driver, of course Oleg didn`t say anything of quitting this project but there were no news since over 40 days or so....
I hate bada, and waiting for android.
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OF COURSE, I have s8530.
i love Android, i love Linux.... Bada is wrong, there aren't: flash, overclocking, Jailbreaks, hacks app, mozilla, live wallpaper, emulators. In other words, there aren't color.
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B]Default Will you leave Bada once Android is done? [/B]
OF COURSE, I have s8530.
i love Android, i love Linux.... Bada is wrong, there aren't: flash, overclocking, Jailbreaks, hacks app, mozilla, live wallpaper, emulators. In other words, there aren't color.
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For me, the main reason for getting an android is unavailability of VOIP. I need it a lot and i don't want to open my laptop all the time i want to make a call over Gtalk or Skype. Otherwise i would have stick with bada for a while.
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One more thing i forgot to mention : The very poor web browsing experience. On the same network my friend opens a web page in few seconds on his SGS while i am stuck with loading -- loading.
But i am not leaving BADA. i am keeping my wave for sure.
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I'm watching some videos on youtube...You know, usuals "dogfights" between Hero, iPhone, Milestone/Droid etc. and I'm really starting to get nervous...WHY iPhone HAS A SO SMOOTHER SCROLLING THAN ANY OTHER ANDROID PHONE ON THE MARKET?? I'm not even talking about 3GS/4 but 2G/3G!! Come on! They were released 2-3 years ago! Hero almost 10 months ago and Droid even before! Android has been upgraded 3 times in this period (1.5-->2.1-->2.2) but WE ARE STILL NOT ABLE TO GET A SMOOTH SCROLLING/ZOOMING in the browser! When the page is zoomed enough you have a good quality scrolling but if you open a page in overview (zoom = 0%) sometimes scrolling is VERY annoying! It is definetively NOT as smooth as on the iPhone. Same thing happens for pinch2zoom...If you want to increase the zoom (with an initial zoom >=20-30%) everything goes the right way...If you want to zoom at the beginning, when the page is still in overview, zoom is jerky! Until you reach the "holy zoom" (20-30%). Since then it becomes smooth...While on the iPhone you get a smooth zooming and scrolling both if the page is in overview or with an initial zoom.
What is the cause?? Is it possible that this happens because Android can't use the PDF rendering while iPhone does? I mean...It could be patented by Apple (just to "think different"). But even if this is true...I can't believe there isn't an alternative to make a smoother rendering engine on Android...I haven't seen Froyo yet but I don't think they properly solved the problem...Any idea?
I would hazard a guess at multitouch is software emulated in Android, hence why it only became available in 2.1, whereas the iPhone has it on the hardware level.
Much like how 3d graphics are far better on dedicated hardware than software emulation.
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You could be right... I also think that MT is emulated (because of its inaccuracy). By the way I'm talking about 2D elaboration (scrolling, zooming, swiping etc.) because 3D graphic is not comparable phone by phone. Some have a dedicated GPU while others have not.
To the ones who voted the third option: I'm talking about HTC Hero with default clock! I guess a 710 Mhz overclocked Hero has a smooth scrolling such as Desire has a far smoother scrolling because of its SnapDragon! Please, could you write the reason because you voted that option?? Thanks!
It seems fine for me on Villain10.3 with a BFS kernel and OC to 729 MHz. I quite like the legend-style text selection method that HomerSp ported across, as it's quite iPhone like
Hi, my name is Luca and it's smooth enough for me... ;-)
(and shame on me, I'm using stock rooted 1.5 on my Hero)
The only thing that really drive me crazy is the keyboard lag (and yes, I disabled all feedbacks).
Think of it this way.That f*****ng iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE.So the both of them are developed together,giving apple the chance to optimize it.But I guess that it also has to do with iPhone having native hardware multitouch.But we have everything they don't!And both iOS and iPhone have some fundamental fatal flaws that make them partially useless!So just stop being jealous of them and start mocking them again!
I think its because Apple has spent so much time and effort focusing on the look and feel of their devices, because thats what their market wants whereas the Android market is more concerned with the function.
Its the age old function verses form thing.
I agree with craig! And maybe android can do 100 more things than iphone...but what about the BASIC FUNCTIONS? I really would like to see google interested in improving UI! Look and feel is as important as every other feature!! And I will be jelaous until they bring a better user experience on the android UI
@anon: nice advertisement but I said not overclocked third post!
@luca: have you tried to scroll a page in overview (zoom at min)?
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I agree with craig! And maybe android can do 100 more things than iphone...but what about the BASIC FUNCTIONS? I really would like to see google interested in improving UI! Look and feel is as important as every other feature!! And I will be jelaous until they bring a better user experience on the android UI
@anon: nice advertisement but I said not overclocked third post!
@luca: have you tried to scroll a page in overview (zoom at min)?
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I would prefer a smoother phone but I wouldn't like to see function being sacrificed. I've played with my sisters desire and its pretty smooth on the stock so maybe its just a processor issue.
Maybe Google phones put so much into the function not a lot is sent to the UI. Maybe we'll see smoother UIs in the snapdragon phones.
Me too! But other functions can be implemented by using 3rd part applications...I would like to see a smoother interface more than a hotspot function because the latest can be easily integrated by using Wireless tether for root/nonroot users! By the way you're talking about a phone with a 1Ghz CPU! It's not comparable with the iPhone 2G-3G/Hero CPU. And, despite this, interface is still NOT as smooth as the iPhone's one...This makes me think! The only one I've seen until now which is capable of a comparison with iPhone is the Evo 4G...But we are talking about a device that should be compared with iPhone 4! Not 2G/3G!
I would like to remind you: 2G/3G have been released in 2007/2008... Hero in 2009, Evo in 2010...I know that iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE, but I also know that, for example, Windows is ONE OS for MANY DEVICES! And its UI is smooth enough! Oh and don't forget that OSX can be installed on hundreds of Notebooks/Desktops which are NOT apple! And it is as smooth as on Apple computers! So this is the proof that the device itself doesn't matter...Is a matter of "take care of look and feel BALANCED with functions". Do you agree?
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Me too! But other functions can be implemented by using 3rd part applications...I would like to see a smoother interface more than a hotspot function because the latest can be easily integrated by using Wireless tether for root/nonroot users! By the way you're talking about a phone with a 1Ghz CPU! It's not comparable with the iPhone 2G-3G/Hero CPU. And, despite this, interface is still NOT as smooth as the iPhone's one...This makes me think! The only one I've seen until now which is capable of a comparison with iPhone is the Evo 4G...But we are talking about a device that should be compared with iPhone 4! Not 2G/3G!
I would like to remind you: 2G/3G have been released in 2007/2008... Hero in 2009, Evo in 2010...I know that iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE, but I also know that, for example, Windows is ONE OS for MANY DEVICES! And its UI is smooth enough! Oh and don't forget that OSX can be installed on hundreds of Notebooks/Desktops which are NOT apple! And it is as smooth as on Apple computers! So this is the proof that the device itself doesn't matter...Is a matter of "take care of look and feel BALANCED with functions". Do you agree?
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Some interstimg points there. We also need to remember certain things that make iPhone appear smooth like that little spring back you get when you pull too far down in an app is actually copyrighted by apple. So we might not be able to get the smoothness apple enjoys but I think we could get our own version.
Sure, Apple patented a lot of features which make the iOS an impressive OS. But, for example, Sense integrates that "spring" effect but, well, it's not even comparable to the iPhone's one! And, really, I don't care about this "FX" when I get a smooth way to scroll a web page and a smooth way to zoom (not necessarily with pinch2zoom). Since I'm just looking for a very good browser (because I think that the rest of UI in Android is pretty smooth) I expect from Froyo an excellent scrolling engine! But if this feature is connected with the whole OS (maybe through a defective "scrolling-zooming-library" ) I'm afraid we won't get it for a long time... If some devs read this thread: Is there a way to improve the scrolling/zooming smoothness of a browser? Default browser's source should be available...Froyo's too...
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Sure, Apple patented a lot of features which make the iOS an impressive OS. But, for example, Sense integrates that "spring" effect but, well, it's not even comparable to the iPhone's one! And, really, I don't care about this "FX" when I get a smooth way to scroll a web page and a smooth way to zoom (not necessarily with pinch2zoom). Since I'm just looking for a very good browser (because I think that the rest of UI in Android is pretty smooth) I expect from Froyo an excellent scrolling engine! But if this feature is connected with the whole OS (maybe through a defective "scrolling-zooming-library" ) I'm afraid we won't get it for a long time... If some devs read this thread: Is there a way to improve the scrolling/zooming smoothness of a browser? Default browser's source should be available...Froyo's too...
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I agree with you on this one.
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Me too! But other functions can be implemented by using 3rd part applications...I would like to see a smoother interface more than a hotspot function because the latest can be easily integrated by using Wireless tether for root/nonroot users! By the way you're talking about a phone with a 1Ghz CPU! It's not comparable with the iPhone 2G-3G/Hero CPU. And, despite this, interface is still NOT as smooth as the iPhone's one...This makes me think! The only one I've seen until now which is capable of a comparison with iPhone is the Evo 4G...But we are talking about a device that should be compared with iPhone 4! Not 2G/3G!
I would like to remind you: 2G/3G have been released in 2007/2008... Hero in 2009, Evo in 2010...I know that iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE, but I also know that, for example, Windows is ONE OS for MANY DEVICES! And its UI is smooth enough! Oh and don't forget that OSX can be installed on hundreds of Notebooks/Desktops which are NOT apple! And it is as smooth as on Apple computers! So this is the proof that the device itself doesn't matter...Is a matter of "take care of look and feel BALANCED with functions". Do you agree?
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What you are referring to is a Hackintosh!
And yes,I know that MacOS can be installed on almost any PC and run as smooth,but for one reason.OSX's kernel is a BSD kernel,whick is UNIX based,just like Linux.So it is fairly easy to get it working on non-Apple hardware and make some new drivers.I have done some of it myself to be honest!
But iOS isn't anything like that.It is a new OS,made from scratch just for the iPhone.That's why we haven't seen a port for other phones yet and may never see one.So this whole one OS for one device thing is a very important factor,believe me!As for phones like the Desire and the Evo,just wait for FroYo and you will most probably see the smoothness you want so much.As for me?My Hero overclocked at a cool 768MHz with VillainRom 10.3 is smooth enough!
Anyway,one thing must be made clear.The fact that iOS runs smoother doesn't make it better.Think only that very basic and vital functions like Copy & Paste were only introduced in iPhone 3GS and Apple presented them like the evolution of mobile platforms!And just because Apple said it everyone believed it.One thing you have to know is that for Apple fans,if Jobs says that the Earth's rotation is Apple's patent,then they will believe it and grow cocky because they will think that the Earth rotates only because of their iPhones!
And about what you said about WinMo being smooth...I surely hope you are joking!You can barely call what WinMo has a UI!The only phones worth the trouble with WinMo are HD2 etc,new and powerful devices.
I was talking about Windows XP/Seven! XD Not Mobile! By the way I know I'm referring to Hackintosh! I used to be in the InsanelyMac scene... And I really don't want iOS to be ported on our devices! I LOVE Android! But I feel like it lacks a good rendering engine (even if it uses webkit from Chrome and, well, this is pretty strange! ) ! I really hope froyo will bring this "smoothness" I'm looking for Oh and I've seen some videos about HD2 browsing... Its smoothness is IMPRESSIVE!! Multitouch works great too! How can it be possible!? We're talking about Windows Mobile! And is the OS that makes the difference because it has the same features of N1...Snapdragon, 576 MB ram etc. So is WM better than Android in 2d rendering? I don't think so...I believe that someone at google missed something...Like "HW acceleration" while scrolling/zooming...I can't explain it better! What do you think?
PS: I could not compare an older phone with a newer one! It's like I would compare a Dream with a Desire! So HD2 is the only one comparable to the newer Android phones! Then yes...Windows mobile on newer devices is a good operating system
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I was talking about Windows XP/Seven! XD Not Mobile! By the way I know I'm referring to Hackintosh! I used to be in the InsanelyMac scene... And I really don't want iOS to be ported on our devices! I LOVE Android! But I feel like it lacks a good rendering engine (even if it uses webkit from Chrome and, well, this is pretty strange! ) ! I really hope froyo will bring this "smoothness" I'm looking for Oh and I've seen some videos about HD2 browsing... Its smoothness is IMPRESSIVE!! Multitouch works great too! How can it be possible!? We're talking about Windows Mobile! And is the OS that makes the difference because it has the same features of N1...Snapdragon, 576 MB ram etc. So is WM better than Android in 2d rendering? I don't think so...I believe that someone at google missed something...Like "HW acceleration" while scrolling/zooming...I can't explain it better! What do you think?
PS: I could not compare an older phone with a newer one! It's like I would compare a Dream with a Desire! So HD2 is the only one comparable to the newer Android phones! Then yes...Windows mobile on newer devices is a good operating system
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I used to be bothering with a Hackintosh that never worked(not supported chipset damnit) and was too @ InsanelyMac!
Anyways,you are comparing a PC OS with mobile phones.It's not fair.Think that the best results with linpack yet are 40-50 megaflops,while modern PC graphics cards have the power to reach even 6 terraflops.So even a PC with XP should work smoothly!
As with phones,it's what I told you.Froyo has a newer kernel,which is about the same version as the one used in Ubuntu 10.04 and should most probably have OpenGL 2.1 instead of 1.1.I believe and hope that this will give a solution!Better rendering will give better results!
I'm not being clear... XP was an example to let understand that even if an OS is made for MANY devices this doesn't mean it has to be of poor performance! My XP is as smooth as any other OSX out there! (after some tweaks!). So the fact that iOS is made only for iPhones doesn't matter about the loss of performance on Android which is made for MANY devices! Got it?
You are perfectly clear my friend!It's just that the way that PCs work is different.With a good enough hardware it can run good on any OS that supports the given hardware.But with the phones it's a bit trickier the way I see it.For every phone they must build specific drivers etc.So Android(and WinMo in this aspect) has to be partially developed for all devices simultaneously.Just look how different Galaxy S,Desire and Milestone are.To make you understand what I mean,think of different CPU architectures and Linux.Ubuntu,which I use everyday on my PC works differently on x86 architectures,differently on x86_64 and differently on PowerPC,because the architecture that has been most...ermmm...popular is x86.Different drivers mostly.OSX works only on x86 and works like a dream(almost ),but we cannot say it is better or anything than Ubuntu which works everywhere,on every hardware,but not as smooth or well as OSX.
It's not the best example that can be given,but I hope you understand what I want to say!
Sure! Android can run on many different architectures but know what...it's something like a car which can run on every kind of terrain but behaves as good as it is supposed to on none of them! Who is going to buy this kind of car? same thing is for android! I can't need a 1ghz cpu JUST to smoothly scroll a web page! I don't pretend asphalt 5 to run at 60fps on my hero but, hell yeah! I PRETEND to have a smooth scrolling/zooming! And I know this is possible because opera mini (apart from the huge lag-bug) handle it! So my only desire is to have a good and fast browser on my phone...am i asking too much?
Smooth scrolling is coming to Android
Watch this youtube video.. it elaborates about the MIUI ROM.
10:52 onwards you'd notice smooth scrolling with spring effect.. more or less in line with how it feels in iphone.
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I know a while ago there was talk of cotulla and friends getting WM6.5 to run off SD, does anyone know anything from irc or anywhere if this was completely abandoned?
would be pretty cool.
haven't heard anything, though not too up to date on the IRC stuff.
but no talk here minus that one post by cotulla.
if i may, what is on WM that android doesn't have? i don't use my phone but for a few programs (specific work things) and modding is mainly a distraction for me...but am curious how a dual-OS existence works in real life. just pondering. (now i am all about the development as well, it is bad ass to have options, but just philosophizing..if that is a word...)
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haven't heard anything, though not too up to date on the IRC stuff.
but no talk here minus that one post by cotulla.
if i may, what is on WM that android doesn't have? i don't use my phone but for a few programs (specific work things) and modding is mainly a distraction for me...but am curious how a dual-OS existence works in real life. just pondering. (now i am all about the development as well, it is bad ass to have options, but just philosophizing..if that is a word...)
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well currently I have WP7 and Android dual-boot. The reason it's nice is because WP7 does have a couple games I like and just for the "fun change OS" factor. Practically speaking neither WM6.5 nor WP7 have anything really functionally better, but I miss playing "experiment 13" on WM6.5 and I also wanted to play with all of the new CHT goodies I see for fun. It's more of an enjoyment thing than any real practical need.
I dual boot between 6.5 and android.
6.5 for work when I need a solid data connection and a no nonsense browser (opera 9.7).
Android at home when I want to use the XDA app and look at pictures of cats hiding in shoes....
About 6.5 from SD.
I think it may take them some time as Wm as an OS is somewhat more awkward and tricky to tinker with than android. As far as porting it is concerned. That's what I read somewhere anyway....
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It would be great to have winmo on sd many of us could then go to nand Android having opportunity to boot winmo as alternative. For example I have my beloved gps soft on winmo...
I too think it would be great to boot Win Mo from SD. This would give poople the awsome ability to still use Win Mo after that have went NAND Andriod or WP7. I myself still use the stock Win Mo ROM as my daily and preferred OS cause it fits me better and my needs better. But if I was abale to boot Win Mo from SD I would give WP7 a try for a while. I like Andriod well enough but it is just not as functional to me plus I can running it from SD anytime I want so I see no reason to go NAND.
I do think it will take a good bet longer to achieve this ability though cause compared to Andriod Windows Mobile is a much larger OS and it is written with different code. But if anyone can do it is the Cottula and the rest of DFT.
I agree it would be nice. Actually having all the OS options on boot would be nice. Just was curious what people use in Wm that isn't available elsewhere. Cool!
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I agree it would be nice. Actually having all the OS options on boot would be nice. Just was curious what people use in Wm that isn't available elsewhere. Cool!
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To answer your queatuon it is really not that things in Win Mo are not avaliable in other OS'c but that so much comes built into Win Mo and for the functionality of it is more complete, atleast for me. Take things like internet sharingl/tethering and WiFi sharing. With Win Mo all you have to do is install the application and you are good. With Andriod you have to root the device for this and many more things. I like the full functionality of Micosoft Office compared to it on other mobile OS's. I like the feel of Win Mo too as it is more like a mobile PC or a extention of your home or office PC. Plus Win Mo is a true stand alone OS where as Andriod runs on top of Linux. Also to me Andriod feels more like a childs toy than a truly functional OS. Now I have not had but a limited amount of experience with WP7, but to me it is less functional than Andriod and more of a reversion to a some what dumb phone OS as it gives you limited capabilities and interface. That is just my opinion.
Would a sd build be with or without sense?
I agree it.Thank you for sharing, like very much
Very much down to whoever cooks the Roms. Once such a port is achieved anyone will be able to build roms so you'll get one of your choice.
If anyone can take care of this its cotulla and his crew!
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Maybe I posted this in the wrong section,so sorry,asking to Zecanilis . Do anyone have an iPhone here? If so,anyone can tell why Android/iOS is better? I don't wanna know it,wanna know your opinions only
So,I prefer Android because it's opensource p) and because it's more "customizable" ha
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Wow, why do we need a topic like this ? Sorry, but if you write this on Google you can find thousands of them. This will only end with flames and fights. Nothing useful.
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Wow, why do we need a topic like this ? Sorry, but if you write this on Google you can find thousands of them. This will only end with flames and fights. Nothing useful.
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Yeah,infact I firstly posted and already-existing thread and I had to change thread theme. I apologize for this but what could I do?
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Actually, I like such threads, because they remind macfa...uh....macfans D) to keep quiet when it comes to comparisons to Android. Android is superior from almost any point of view.
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Actually, I like such threads, because they remind macfa...uh....macfans D) to keep quiet when it comes to comparisons to Android. Android is superior from almost any point of view.
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Yeah. But... I have to admit,for me AppStore games are better
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adobe ceo has said that apple can only dream of flash coming to ios because they are simply not going to make adobe flash of ios...
this is BIG + for android...
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Yeah. But... I have to admit,for me AppStore games are better
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Care to explain why? 'Cause both AppStore and Android Market contain their fair share of crap.
@ccdreadcc: True, although with the advent of HTML5 I'm not sure how long Flash support will continue to be an advantage of Android...
Android wins do to notifications the apps not games there more intgrated with the os an its changeable u can change everything an make ur phone look diffrent an i enjoy that no 2 phones look the same an iphone there identical but they do have better games an browser is better with pinching an zooming but my sgs is a little faster with apps closed but with stuff runing its laggy an ios is mostly smooth all the time but they dont have real multi tasking
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this old comic tells everything LINK
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this old comic tells everything LINK
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Exacly its ur phone u can do wat u plz tphone(therephone) 4 its not yours but u payed 1million 4 it
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You honestly can't go wrong with either and really depends on what you like. Honestly, I think why iPhone sales are so high is because people are misinformed about the product. Everyone gets it because they have been told to or think its cool since everyone has one, but at the end of the day both operating systems can do the same or maybe better(android).
I'd say both have their plus points. I've got my O1, which is my first android device. I love the ability to customise each and every part of it. We are all fans of this OS, we already know how great it is
But what I don't like about android, is the lack of quality content on the market, specially for low end devices like ours. I've got an iPhone 3GS too, and when you access the appstore on it, there's lots of great stuff out there.
Another downside is the lack of software optimisation. We got great hardware, with ****ty software: not a great combination. For e.g. my old iPod Touch 2nd gen still runs every damn single game I put on it without a drop of lagging, whereas we all know what happens on our O1. If we did not have such great developers here, we wouldn't be enjoying our O1 that much. :/
And before someone says something like, "you got a weak device, you should buy a SGS2 or whatever to feel the true power of android," I got one thing to say: each and every one of apple's products are optimised directly from manufacturers, their users dont need to depend on external developers. We can't say that much about our devices though.
Well my experience with iOS comes from an iPod Touch 3rd Gen that I've owned for 1.5 years, and my experience with Android comes from my O1 that I've owned for 2 weeks.
As others have mentioned I love my O1 and I think that Android as an "OS" it's definitely great, and I believe that if we were to compare iOS Vs. ANDROID only at the "OS" level, the Android OS it's superior essentially because it's a powerful, open source OS that allows you to go under the hood and tweak it or improve it, whereas with iOS is just a black box that you access only through APIs published by the manufacturer.
The thing is that comparing OS to OS does not makes much sense to the end user since what's more important is comparing "The Experience" of owning and using a phone with iOS Vs a phone with ANDROID, and at that level I think that iOS/iPhone definitely provides a much solid, cohesive and overall better experience to the end user (at least from my point of view):
1-) On iOS the OS and the Hardware are "One", since we have one company that manufactures the hardware and builds and optimize the OS to run only on that hardware, providing a longer life cycle for your product since the strategy of the manufacturer (Apple) is not focused on launching a new model every 3-4 months (as it is with Android phone manufacturers). Apple's focus is actually selling as much of the same model as they can over a period of at least one year.
2-) The Appstore even though is much more restrictive (than the Market) provides a much more controlled and predictable experience for App Developers, because they only have to worry about complying with the guidelines established by their development platform, and not with developing an App that will have to run as good as possible on hardware created by 8 or 10 different manufactures who have 100+ different phone models. Volume becomes an issue and so far developers have more success selling a 99 cents app on the Appstore than selling a $5 app on the Market. Take a look at this post from a renowned Game Developer talking about his experience about porting a hit game on the Appstore to the Android Market
Bottom line is that it all comes down to the Apps more than the hardware itself (we know that phones like the Samsung Galaxy S2 beats the crap out of an iPhone 4 and basically anything else), but all that powerful hardware, dual core processors and beefy GPUs can't do much if quality Apps are not there to take advantage of it, and so far Apple has done a better job in creating a suitable environment for developers at all levels: Programming, Marketing, Billing and Post-Sales Support.
When it comes to consumers (us) I definetely prefer the android cause i'm not willing to pay a sh1tload of money to buy a marketing bloat product which targets to rip off the ignorant gudget fashion victums. I want to be able to have a smartphone for 200 euros and to be able to customize it and use it the way I want and not the way they want.
And I don't want to hear a thing about better games etc etc cause if I want games i'll go and buy a psp and the total amount of money for low/mid-end android + psp will still be conciderably lower than an apple icrap
I will write my opinion, but everybody has an unique opinion so it may not matter.
As stated above, iOs and the hardware of the iPhone are one, they are designed and built as an entity. The result is the most powerful phone. Apart from the antenna problem the iphone had, the phone is perfect. And it will still be. The single-core iPhone 4 runs as smooth as dual-core android phones. Because android phones took everything that was good in linux, but also what is bad.
Android is for the guys that like customization, playing with their devices. You will never have to jailbreak an iPhone, as it's os is godlike anyway. The nasty part is that most of appstore games cost $ and some people may not be so willing to pay for every app they have.
Apart from the price, ioS is better than android, and i consider that anyone who disagrees is just sad he can't afford an iphone.That doesn't mean android is not good, because it is excellent, but still not quite at the apple's product level. Peace
Well I have also tried iOS, I own an iPod Touch 2G (MC, so it's the newer iteration). Sure, there are quality games by Gameloft & co. on the AppStore which also run alright on the iPod, but on 4.2 it gets really slow if you have any other tweaks on it, or if you activated multitasking and wallpapers.
What would definitely improve the Android experience is Gameloft getting their head out of their @ss and port their great games to lower-end devices as well. I really can't see what's the problem with minimum requirements for CPU and RAM if they really think 320x480 games would confuse customers, due to it being the most popular Android low-end resolution.
Other than that, Android is better than iOS simply because it allows you to do more stuff without hacks. First and foremost, the ability to use the phone as a mass storage device (Google should allow mass storage without additional drivers, it would be useful in certain situations, such as at school, where computers are usually blocked from installing drivers ).
@vador9: Sorry mate, but you're just as much of a d*ck as the other Apple fans. I can afford an iPhone, but that doesn't mean I WANT to spend that much money. Partly because the only reason for that price is the glass in it.
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Well I have also tried iOS, I own an iPod Touch 2G (MC, so it's the newer iteration). Sure, there are quality games by Gameloft & co. on the AppStore which also run alright on the iPod, but on 4.2 it gets really slow if you have any other tweaks on it, or if you activated multitasking and wallpapers.
What would definitely improve the Android experience is Gameloft getting their head out of their @ss and port their great games to lower-end devices as well. I really can't see what's the problem with minimum requirements for CPU and RAM if they really think 320x480 games would confuse customers, due to it being the most popular Android low-end resolution.
Other than that, Android is better than iOS simply because it allows you to do more stuff without hacks. First and foremost, the ability to use the phone as a mass storage device (Google should allow mass storage without additional drivers, it would be useful in certain situations, such as at school, where computers are usually blocked from installing drivers ).
@vador9: Sorry mate, but you're just as much of a d*ck as the other Apple fans. I can afford an iPhone, but that doesn't mean I WANT to spend that much money. Partly because the only reason for that price is the glass in it.
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You can actually do Mass Storage without the drivers.
And please, do not insult any other forum members. Whatever his opinion may be, its his, it should be respected. Its only a sharing of opinion, not a war.
Android has a great user interface, its highly customisable, it offers whatever someone may want. It's just that rare are the devices which really makes android look so good.
To explain this, I'll take the example of our fabulous O1. Forget about the pricing, let's just analyse the phone in itself: a nice phone, with great features, and a wonderful OS. The OS can do pretty much everything. Now where is the problem? LG, LG is the problem. I agree we paid for a low end phone, but that doesnt mean it should contain ****ty bugs, like the screen lag for example. Even with gingerbread out, it still has not been solved.
Its often the device which holds many a problems, not the OS. This is where iOS has an advantage, it's been used only on a couple of devices, and both the devices and the OS are manufactured by the same company. This causes a great optimisation. For example again, on any iOS device you may not be able to send a file via bluetooth properly (limited by the OS), but you have a smooth touchscreen with no lag at all and you almost never have an error popping up now and then (from the manufacturer).
Moreover, when we say "Appstore offers a larger range of quality apps than that of Android Market", its not just about games. Often basic apps are of much lower quality on the Market, e.g. compare the Facebook app on both platform, and you'll see that the Android version is weak.
Overall:
Android wins when it comes to customisation and performance (provided you have a good device), and iOS has an upper hand when it comes to best user experience and high quality apps
( ) iPhone
( ) iPad
( ) iPad 2
( ) iPod Touch
(✔) iDon't have money
(Certainly not for overpriced hype from a vendor whose customer attitude is way worse than Microsoft's )
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You can? Please enlighten me, I thought it really needed the LG Android drivers for that.
Also, he insulted us first, by implying we all are too poor to get iPhones and that's why we're jealous and say iOS is worse.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/porting-ubuntu-touch-is-as-simple-as-building-cm/
According to this article you guys should have no problem doing this i would personally love to see this happen. I know its been mentioned before but i figured a new thread in the general section wouldn't hurt.
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As cool as Ubuntu touch we should wait before it gets ported to the Amaze. Its still a developer preview so the devs can move some apps over to work for touch.
I think the devs might wanna finish a lot of their other work before moving to Ubuntu touch because i feel like a lot of people who flash it will want to flash back to android. due to features they miss like certain apps.
There really is no purpose of trying to get Ubuntu touch working until it itself evolves as a project. I'm sure in a couple of months Ubuntu will finally have a nice fun app market and a better set of features
Right now Ubuntu touch is really just a cm 10 skin..
Imho
If it follows suit with the rest of Ubuntu distro's.. It's probably going to be a mess for quite a while.
Unless it's oem supplied on something very similar to the amaze.. Highly doubtful.
As it sits...
Ubuntu software center is a joke (to those who don't know anything about Linux) most software has no ratings and highly insufficient descriptions (for Newby's)
This is not a slam of Ubuntu, but rather a realistic comparison..
Android is so far ahead in these respects the conversion is an utter waste of time.. Probably cool.. But..
My expectations are that Android will adopt the Ubuntu features in KLP or via apps any real value will be lost quite quickly.
The world is desperate for Linux.. Ubuntu has a real chance.. I'm highly optimistic!
But the switch for a new user from the windows ecosystem (on the desktop releases) is needlessly overcomplicated and pointlessly misaligned, the Linux mindset is often elitist & yet seriously outdated.
People want something better.. Better = smarter & more self sufficient (automated) & more comprehensive.
Unfortunately these are the things Ubuntu sucks at.. And I mean really sucks...
And currently even though fully capable of being better.. No new user would know it... They can't find the apps they need that are relevant..
Nor would they know if it's what they want as most of the app descriptions are so heavy in Linux developer level lingo is liked they forgot to say what their app does... Also the missing ratings make you think you are taking a risk.
So many Linux users use terminal the apps don't show a proper download count... And you can't leave feedback via terminal... So you think you are the 300th person to download a basic app that should have been included in the distro..
Also it's called "bob's wunderkind throbber" not "monitor switch" and it has no GUI or some other missing dependency.
So Ya.. Ubuntu has just a few issues
This had been my experience in the last 4 months.. It's not dated.
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Agreed. I think android needs to adopt a type of plug and android desk top feature Ubuntu has.
Look up an app called glovebox. Is a Ubuntu touch style launcher from the Lefty edge
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Agreed. I think android needs to adopt a type of plug and android desk top feature Ubuntu has.
Look up an app called glovebox. Is a Ubuntu touch style launcher from the Lefty edge
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Glovebox is pretty nice but its laggy and doesn't always work I've run into switching home screens instead of pulling the dock out but it is a good idea
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Someone tried on the nexus 7 and it was AWFUL... not even good enough to call a dev preview. The only thing that worked well was notifications. Terrible, unbearable lag on homescreen, calculator app was just an image of a calculator (buttons didn't respond) etc...
I'm as excited as the next one for Ubuntu... But it is NOT ready
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The way Ubuntu promises the moon but only delivers the dust... I'm almost suspicious that the video previews we saw were well practiced shenanigans like the bb10 craptastic video calling..
I'll bet those phones were ready to melt from over clocking or something
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I'll port it when and if i get working on cm10.1 let's hope my gf get's pissed at the Amaze
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I'll port it when and if i get working on cm10.1 let's hope my gf get's pissed at the Amaze
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You should take a look at evervolvs github it looks like they have been working on it already
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It'll be nice to play with this once it's ready..
My suspicions are that Ubuntu will be about a year away before its properly usable..
Ubuntu has enough issues on its own, discluding the phone side of things.. Maybe getting focused on phone usage will finally make the Ubuntu / linux people realise why their attachments to terminal are so foolish.
I think it would be advantageous if the Android play store would be their primary repository for apps.
I think the concept of working in terminal on a small touchscreen display keyboard will wain on the average linux user rather quickly... I have serious doubts anyone wants to carry around any qwerty keyboard.
This will benefit the whole os experience as a large volume of the new users will demand the same changes everyone has been calling for, (for a decade +)
And
Linux will finally be forced to fix what has been holding the OS back...
And..
We will finally get real proof of how much better linux is AND the real OS war will begin... And the world will be willing to try /use & keep their respective linux OS choice
As I said before.. Linux is better!.. But less usable.. And virtually handicaps new users that were once advanced windows users...
Ubuntu for phone will close that gap.. Or seal the fate of linux for another decade.
Here's hoping the Linux community of all distributions come together to get off their respective butts and finally fix the OS enough to get that hardware support they've been "claiming and crying about".
I worked with oem's on the development. Side of things.. They won't do crap for you guys in linux until it's clearly profitable to them... And 4%-15%of market share is a waste of their time..
That kind of profitability is easily made by releasing
a custom colour / special model
of whatever product they currently make
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We know that ICS and JB use less memory that other, are easier to compiling and optimizing... Maybe end something what was started? I think about @Rebellos Jelly Bean (4.1.2) system. It is nand version with Bada, but i can say: On my class 4 card, it is faster than Tigrouzen ICS ( Its only mine note).
But... Always but.
In his thred i cant see sources...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1851818
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What you think about it?
@adfree @Tigrouzen @hero355 @Taxidriver05 @volk204
I think, current roms are on a good state, so I think it wouldn't be necessary to bult up a JB version for Wave...
If you use a fast SD, KitKat also wotks fine...
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I think, current roms are on a good state, so I think it wouldn't be necessary to bult up a JB version for Wave...
If you use a fast SD, KitKat also wotks fine...
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More ram - faster rom
I think that all users cant get Class 10 card c:
SD card class
Hey guys, what class of sd card do you have? if anyone have class 10 can you do a benchmark to see the top speed of write that the wave can write on the SD? Thanks in advance!
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I think, current roms are on a good state, so I think it wouldn't be necessary to bult up a JB version for Wave...
If you use a fast SD, KitKat also wotks fine...
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I can't Really use any of the roms here, I'm not sure what you guys do. 310mb is the minimum ram that android requires so any less literally makes a device unusable. Every now and then you get freezes that may last minutes even.
Apart from Tigrouzen s rom with bigmem enabled I was not able to use anything else, once you open an app that uses a moderate amount of ram everything freezes. I'm disappointed that roms are being made for experimentation more than so that to be useful.
All roms are plenty fast what we lack is ram not speed, it's disappointing that apart from Tigrouzen nobody makes bigmem kernels...
BTW sorry I'm not trying to be negative I'm just perplexed that people may use up sor much of their time to create something mostly unusable (as every rom with less than 310mb of ram is)...
...create something mostly unusable...
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In my opinion Devs are more interested in increasing their skills...
Pump up your brain...
Because remember how old S8500 is...
Compare how easy and cheap it is to buy new Android handset... with more RAM + Speed... bigger Screen Resolution... etc.
This info for enduser...
Now some hint for advanced users or Devs with programming skills...
Sources are available...
Feel free to do it better. :good:
Best Regards
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In my opinion Devs are more interested in increasing their skills...
Pump up your brain...
Because remember how old S8500 is...
Compare how easy and cheap it is to buy new Android handset... with more RAM + Speed... bigger Screen Resolution... etc.
This info for enduser...
Now some hint for advanced users or Devs with programming skills...
Sources are available...
Feel free to do it better. :good:
Best Regards
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I was not trying to be negative, it's a simple matter of practicality. I just don't understand why is it so rare to find a practical rom for this device even though it's very possible (Tigrouzen did it, but sadly he's out of the picture).
I understand it is an old device and I understand that one can replace it, but also it's probably the only android device with semi respectable specifications that can be fully used one handed, to me that's an invaluable asset. Due to the nature of my job I can scarcely use any device more than 4 inches big, my primary android device is my tablet, I want my smartphone to be a smart-phone not a mini tablet, and that's almost impossible to find these days. Even the "mini" phones are unusably big to me...
Anyhow I'm not here to argue semantics or even to ask anything, time is precious to everyone and people create roms -as you well put it- to practice, I understand those. I'm just finding it curious that after a dozen roms or so only *one* person managed to create a daily driver. It's hard -I understand it- but the tools are there...
I would be glad to learn myself, actually I am programmer but in a quite different occupation than kernel/rom coding, so it's a skillset I could cultivate in my very little spare time which I mostly choose to use with my kids. One day I may as well solve this problem myself (make wave a daily driver phone) until then I just hope that someone would solve it first.
Coulb be helpfull, a squashed commit of all badadroid work for Omni. Big thanks to Volk204 for doing it.
https://gerrit.omnirom.org/#/c/9639/